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Kaiser or Touch Dual??? Which is better?

Just bought a Kaiser but not they release the Touch Dual....any pros, cons?

Lavachild said:
Just bought a Kaiser but not they release the Touch Dual....any pros, cons?
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any info or links for this touch you speek of?

htc.com...its a new touch-dual that was released with TWO keyboards

The new Touch is only gonna be tri-and I beleive, and only 2100MHz 3G (that's used in Asia), thus no 3G except in Asia. Also, I believe it won't have WiFi. And it doesn't have GPS. Those 3 factors would hurt its appeal to me.
Oh, and it only has one keypad, but its configured like the Blackberries with SureType (each key has 2 letters on it.)

I was interested too, but yes, no Wifi, no GPS, no real keyboard and smaller 2.6" screen too

jomo25 said:
The new Touch is only gonna be tri-and I beleive, and only 2100MHz 3G (that's used in Asia), thus no 3G except in Asia. Also, I believe it won't have WiFi. And it doesn't have GPS. Those 3 factors would hurt its appeal to me.
Oh, and it only has one keypad, but its configured like the Blackberries with SureType (each key has 2 letters on it.)
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enough said

enough wrong said maybe...
3G 850/1900/2100 HSDPA and HSUPA. So not only Asia...
And there ARE 2 keyboard versions like mentioned above:
normal numeric-mobile or xt9-20key (like suretype)

Yep, the one that was officially announced does NOT have SureType, at least not the ones they showed at the press conference.
On the bright side, it's a quite a bit smaller than the Kaiser, for those for whom size matters more than usability.

Thyraz said:
enough wrong said maybe...
3G 850/1900/2100 HSDPA and HSUPA. So not only Asia...
And there ARE 2 keyboard versions like mentioned above:
normal numeric-mobile or xt9-20key (like suretype)
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Hey, I'm just going off of what their product sheet says:
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_Touch_Dual_CH_EN_300907.pdf
Network:
HSDPA 2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Tri-band 900, 1800, 1900
And yes there are 2 diff types of keyboards: a 9-digit and a SureType like one. That doesn't bother me, as I could work with either (i.e. neither of those make me not want it). but until they have a confirmed quad-band true worldwide GPRS/GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA one on all 3G frequencies currently in use like the Kaiser AND WiFi, I won't be interested. But if you are, cool.
And yes, 2100 is used in Europe, I did forget that. It's used in Europe and in Asia, not in the US.

Sorry, that's gay.
I'll keep my Kaiser manphone - and leave the vibrator look a likes for the chicks.
*snigger*
(plus I can't wait!)

also a poor cpu for Touch Dual.... Kaiser is the best any way

niccyk said:
also a poor cpu for Touch Dual.... Kaiser is the best any way
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It's the same CPU as in the Kaiser, bud - Qualcomm MSM7200 400MHz.

gonna keep my paperweight for a while

here is a comprehensive review plus pictures of the htc touch dual:
http://smape.com/en/reviews/htc/HTC_Touch_Dual-rev.html

Still like the Kaiser better, but damn, that is a comprehensive review. I think it's got screen shots of every window possible.

Jeez thats the most in depth review I ever saw!
well done to him!

Illrigger said:
It's the same CPU as in the Kaiser, bud - Qualcomm MSM7200 400MHz.
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....sorry .

Does Diamond support USA GSM bands? I think mine do.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think my Diamond (bought from Hong Kong) support USA GSM network. Please see the attached picture, it shows UMTS8500+1900 + GSM850+1900 as an option in the phone setting manual.
I made this post because I saw many people complain that the first batch of Diamond doesn't support USA GSM bands but only the Asia and Euro one.

Can u check al lines, mines is:
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900)
UMTS(800+2100)
UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(1700)
Mine is working is USA!

It may support those bands but it wont actually get you 3G access in America because the non American Diamonds are missing the 3G attenna. Its not a software problem but a hardware problem.
If you want to use 3G in America then wait till the American version of the Diamond is out.

the bands being able to be selected means that the RIL (radio interface layer) CAN support those bands, that DOES NOT MEAN that your Phone Hardware can support it.

The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?

xwaiz said:
The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?
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Well the HK Diamond Spec is incorrect, it "could" be quoting the US specs but the US version isnt out for another month at least.

xwaiz said:
The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?
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900/1800/1900, thats 3 bands = triband.
This has been discussed so many times now
I have myself written about 3 times why techincally it won't work. Search for my posts, because i really dont have the energy to type it agian!

someone1234 said:
900/1800/1900, thats 3 bands = triband.
This has been discussed so many times now
I have myself written about 3 times why techincally it won't work. Search for my posts, because i really dont have the energy to type it agian!
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hehehe...

I though this would be a good place to post this question.
I have the same bands listed as post # 2. Now my phone came out of the box like it is. No radio or rom upgrades, yet. Does that mean its Quad band unlocked already from the box? Or do I still have to load the latest radio?

Hard to say without knowing wich radio you have.

chribruu said:
Hard to say without knowing which radio you have.
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My radio is 1.00.25.03, so I would assume it's not quad band without putting one of the newer radios?

triband TD
when i got my TD, it was listed a triband. I could still use in the USA because
ATT uses 900 band also. However, their primary band is 850. THe reception with the 900 only band was spotty. I then flashed my ROM (see below) and a new radio.....05 and immediately got 4 bars where i got 1 or none. MUch improvement. However, you will NOT get 3G until you get a USA phone. It uses Edge now, (which for me is fast enough). ITs a hardware think not a ROM or radio upgrade thing to get 3G.
BTW this is my current ROM and i am very happy with my TD now. Best phone ive ever had.
Rom 1.93.456.2 WWE
Rom Date 7-10-08
Radio Version 1.00.25.05
Hard SPL 1.24
Protocol Version 52.29.25.12H

Spawn12 said:
It may support those bands but it wont actually get you 3G access in America because the non American Diamonds are missing the 3G attenna. Its not a software problem but a hardware problem.
If you want to use 3G in America then wait till the American version of the Diamond is out.
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Is there a difference between the european 3g and the american? I haven't tried my diamond in the states but I use 3g/turbo3g here in europe...

bobo_error said:
Is there a difference between the european 3g and the american? I haven't tried my diamond in the states but I use 3g/turbo3g here in europe...
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I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.

mexvato said:
I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.
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I saw your auction. Sorry, but I can't believe you're getting 3G on that phone without at least ONE bar showing in the pic!!

If the european version is missing the antenae then if he was in an area with strong enough signal wouldn't it show the 3G icon and maybe even only one bar, but that is not usable.

stpete111 said:
I saw your auction. Sorry, but I can't believe you're getting 3G on that phone without at least ONE bar showing in the pic!!
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The 3G has nothing to do with the bars.. it says 3g next to the bars if you have it.. (at the same place as the active sync icon is) I haven't seen the picture though so I'm not going to say anything..

mexvato said:
I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.
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So that makes me wonder why you haven't dumped the radio off the phone and let other people test it out. If in fact it is just a DIAM100 model with a modified radio to unlock the 850 gsm band.

bobo_error said:
The 3G has nothing to do with the bars.. it says 3g next to the bars if you have it.. (at the same place as the active sync icon is) I haven't seen the picture though so I'm not going to say anything..
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That's 100% untrue.

RavenGirl said:
So that makes me wonder why you haven't dumped the radio off the phone and let other people test it out. If in fact it is just a DIAM100 model with a modified radio to unlock the 850 gsm band.
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The hardware he has is the DIAM160, not the DIAM100.

Tilt on the T-Mobile Network.

Will the unlocked Tilt work on the new T-Mobile 3G Network??

Here is a great article on how to figure out if your tilt will run on the T-Mobile 3G
Here

zeezee said:
Here is a great article on how to figure out if your tilt will run on the T-Mobile 3G
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Another article too.

NuShrike said:
Another article too.
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Awww....you did the typing for him too!

Anyone want to buy me an HD7

I want an HD7 and wondered if any XDA-member could purchase one from o2 and i would pay them through PayPal and they could ship me the phone. I am in the US and on AT&T

Why don't you just go down to Walmart? They have them there already. Besides you'r on ATT and will get no 3g I thought with one from O2? I believe you need one from Telstra (Australian) network and your 3g will work.

kwill said:
Why don't you just go down to Walmart? They have them there already. Besides you'r on ATT and will get no 3g I thought with one from O2? I believe you need one from Telstra (Australian) network and your 3g will work.
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Okay, so anyone from Australia want to buy me an HD7 and I will send the money.

i think folks are too busy trying to make money lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-HTC-H...0493202894?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43a2be81ce

mr8820 said:
i think folks are too busy trying to make money lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-HTC-H...0493202894?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43a2be81ce
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Im talking about someone buying it and not trying to rape me for the phone. I went to Telestras website and they dont sell the hd7

good luck bro, i hope it works out for you . if you wanted one for t-mobile, i could get it tommorow.

mr8820 said:
good luck bro, i hope it works out for you . if you wanted one for t-mobile, i could get it tommorow.
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I see the rebel sim cards are being developed for wp7 so perhaps 3g is still in the game if i get a tmobile version. I s being on edge versus 3g really that big of a difference anyway?

oh yeah, it's like swimming in tar lol (edge).

Isn't the phone Quad Band? Surely the device will work on all of the GSM networks?
I hope it's that or it's going to be quite a mission finding the right device to work on the right networks int the right countries.

in the u.s., the only 2 big gsm carriers (at$t, t-mo) operate on different bands. the rest of the world is ok lol, the telstra(sp) operates on at$t w/ 3g, any one else on t-mo gets edge.

mr8820 said:
in the u.s., the only 2 big gsm carriers (at$t, t-mo) operate on different bands. the rest of the world is ok lol, the telstra(sp) operates on at$t w/ 3g, any one else on t-mo gets edge.
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Ah, ok
So would the T-Mobile HD7 work on standard GSM bands (900MHz and 1800MHz for South Africa)?

[Q] HTC Tilt 2 from HK work fully on AT&T?

I see these for sale on Ebay:
Sorry can't post a link as yet but it's listed as:
HTC Touch Pro2 Tilt 2 T7373 from the Vendor cellphoneforever
It says it will work on AT&T here in the USA but will there be anything missing that will reduce or cripple it's use on that network like 3G functionality?
Thanks.

staatsof said:
I see these for sale on Ebay:
Sorry can't post a link as yet but it's listed as:
HTC Touch Pro2 Tilt 2 T7373 from the Vendor cellphoneforever
It says it will work on AT&T here in the USA but will there be anything missing that will reduce or cripple it's use on that network like 3G functionality?
Thanks.
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Doubt the 3g... Should work on att

What do you mean by doubt the 3g?