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I mean you can fry an egg on that thing after almost 5 minutes of use. Never happened to my TyTn II.
Anyone experience this ?
It's a feature Helps to keep your hands warm.
How many degrees does it reaches?
(Try to look at this using something like BatteryStatus...)
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How many degrees does it reaches?
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Im still within my 15 days swap policy. I can exchange it if the device if faulty. But if his is a common problem to Diamond then I will just wait for a better ROM that might fix it.
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It's a feature Helps to keep your hands warm.
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They never said on the specs that it can fry an egg. Thats a nice appliance to the wife.
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it can fry an egg.
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A new feature of Diamond!
Where does it become hot (hottest)? The middle part of the back, where the battery is?
Or lower or upper part? Or the whole unit?
I am just wondering if this is a battery problem or if this is due to hot chipsets...
Either of them would not be good news... honestly
I've an idea to fix this.....
Try to use it inside the fridge.....
You can't say HTC didn't warn us thought... they said they would be launching a HOT new phone... who new they've meant it literally
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a HOT new phone... who new they've meant it literally
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UP..!!....
Jorlin said:
Where does it become hot (hottest)? The middle part of the back, where the battery is?
Or lower or upper part? Or the whole unit?
I am just wondering if this is a battery problem or if this is due to hot chipsets...
Either of them would not be good news... honestly
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Its actually the lower part of the phone just under the battery. Its very uncomfortable to hold. I just don't want this thing to explode one day.
Obviously, Im the only one who had this additional feature on his phone.
RMA...
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Its actually the lower part of the phone just under the battery. Its very uncomfortable to hold. I just don't want this thing to explode one day.
Obviously, Im the only one who had this additional feature on his phone.
RMA...
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Dont feel left out I, also have that nice feature however it's not that bad. I, removed the battery cover and it's warm at the bottom while battery is rather cool.
I remmeber back in the day when I first got the Tytn II its had the same problem but after the chefs started cooking custom roms the problem went away completely to non existent. I'm assuming its a ROM issue.
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Dont feel left out I, also have that nice feature however it's not that bad. I, removed the battery cover and it's warm at the bottom while battery is rather cool.
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Seems to be where the QualComm chip is (see attached image - snipping tool 4tw )
If the image equals the real architecture of the Touch Diamond, the main processor is the reason for that. Probably not the smartest idea to just put it right beneath the surface...
Judging upon this, the Touch Pro should actually do better (even if the chip gets so warm) because the keyboard is between the main unit and the palm of your hand.
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I remmeber back in the day when I first got the Tytn II its had the same problem but after the chefs started cooking custom roms the problem went away completely to non existent. I'm assuming its a ROM issue.
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That makes me wonder if there is some stepping problem of the CPU running on full throttle by what reasons soever... If this gets fixed this might also have a significant impact on battery life.
Can't wait for custom roms to see what this device is really capable of.
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That makes me wonder if there is some stepping problem of the CPU running on full throttle by what reasons soever... If this gets fixed this might also have a significant impact on battery life.
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i disabled the htcflow and i watched the microprocessor's activity with the batterystatus plugin. nothing unusual. it might be that WITH htcflow the the situation changes....
Looks like touchflo puts so much stress on the processor. Although its 524,if not mistaken, it feels a lot slower than the tytn which is 400Mhz.
Disabling touchflo changes the whole situation. The device is very fast and responsive(Still Hot). But whats good it is without the touchflo!!!
same here that thing is bloody hot not to mention horrible battery life on wifi since you must use maximum power for it to work properly...
anyone got a link for battery status?
I will try to deactivate touch flo 3d and put the cube much more convenient I think, anyone tried that ?
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same here that thing is bloody hot not to mention horrible battery life on wifi since you must use maximum power for it to work properly...
anyone got a link for battery status?
I will try to deactivate touch flo 3d and put the cube much more convenient I think, anyone tried that ?
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YES . I wanted to mention also that the Wifi sensitivity is really bad you have to crank it up to the maximum to work decently. This is a radio problem and im sure by Sept. when they release the US version rumors have it that it will have an updated ROM version from HTC tackling these issues.
I still prefers a cooked ROM
I cant help, but I am "slowly" getting more and more convinced not to buy a Diamond because of the apparent issues I continue to find.
First I found out about the display issue which is (also officially) said to happen only with too much pressure (what exactly is too much), although some reported them as well and stated to have taken care. Now it seems there is yet one more issue with the backlighting respectively the hardware itself.
Would you say I am exaggerating and those issues are normal ones which happen to some extent on all phones or is my upcoming impression right that the Diamond might be a true beta product - it's not that those issues are exactly minor ones?
Please let me know your true and objective (please no fanboyism in either way ) opinion.
all I can say is these forums get a lot more of
"I have a problem"
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"my diamond is working fine and i would not change a thing"
happy users
1 never come here
2 try to help others
If you come to a forum where people are seeking help with their phone then unsuprisingly you are gonna find alot of people with phone problems they would like help with.
This is true for all devices from phones to cars, and will always give the impression that the device has many flaws. In the bigger picture far more people are happy with their diamond than reading here will have you think.
i believe that the diamond really is a great smartphone, (no fanboyism) and that it really delivers a great bunch of possibilities, especially when paired with xda developers it migth tend to be a little slow sometimes though. and sometimes even slower... but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???) the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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Thanks for all your responses so far, of course the argument of complainers being louder is valid, but I suppose I am particularly worried here because the two mentioned issues seem to be quite common - among the complainers at least - and seem to be rather major issues and not like a minor one such as a buggy software.
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but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???)
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Usually I am not using rocks , but there are also quite a few in the mentioned thread who have stated to never have mistreated the display. Of course its not easy to verify this claim but I have to admit it makes me worry.
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the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
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I'd have assumed that too, however it doesnt seem to have taken place immediately after flashing but a few days later and a few even mentioned it happened without any flashing at all.
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these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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What attracts me particularly to the Diamond is its size. It is one of the smallest Windows Mobile phones available. The Diamond 2 is already noticeable larger and so I'd then opt for the HD right away.
I've had so many devices I can't remember how many, from pocket pc's to the diamond I've just been randomly given free, not on upgrade .. just a random gift.
First impressions - after having it for 6 hours:
Looks great, I like the candybar format, after the Vario III it's .. novel.
The screen is a vast improvement over the last generation of screens.
The camera produces usable images, the Vario III didn't. haven't tried video but the new drivers seem to be doing their job.
GPS lag has not been tested on the road but tomtom picked up a signal quickly enough.
I've not yet experienced the dropped call when answering because of the end call nonsense on the screen. If I do there is a workaround.
The Compact IV won't open a full 300mb Memory Map file, I've had to break the maps down into bite size chunks for it.
After using the vario III for a long time I've never used more than 3.5GB, despite having a 6GB card so I won't miss the lack of memory card.
I didn't use the keyboard of the other phones I used to the lack of it is welcome.
On balance, I would recommend this phone but a novice would quickly be frustrated and that's mostly down to interface quirks which you get used to after a while, and here's usually a workaround for most problems, except a duff driver.
Why the people at HTC and t-mobile don't just farm the ROM dev out to xda-dev is beyond me.
The developers here do a better job, quicker and cheaper than the bunch of talentless spods employed by the various co's who make the devices. Although, I might be being too harsh on the spods, they probably do a great job but get stymied by the suits.
Could I recommend the Diamond ? Yes.
Diamond is the best WM device I've ever used...
Mine's been bumping around in my pocket for the last 10 months, dropped a couple of times, lives in a (padded) bumbag when I'm trail riding my pushbike and generally been used rather a lot - but never abused.
In my previous job role I managed 1500 WM devices for an SME (sig...) and I can say with the absolute certainty of someone who has been there for a living that the kind of hardware failures that get reported here are almost unheard of in any WM devices that haven't been physically mistreated or had roms flashed in a hamfisted way.
Sitting down a couple of times with a touchscreen phone in the front pocket of a tight pair of trousers will always flex the device just enough for the display to fail somewhere down the line - usually long after the offender has left our employ and the device has been passed on to the next user...
Mind you I'll probably pick up a Touch Pro 2 when my contract is up for renewal...
I had one for a few months and didnt like it.
I am not remotely clued up on the technical side of things so this is very much a laymans report:
It had lots of features I liked but on the whole the phone was too much hassle and its cons outweighed its pro's. (the poor camera, the "black screen" when on the phone thing, the poor on/off button on the top, the poor lock/unlock system. But i loved the interface of the phone.
Swapped it for a LG Renoir and miss the Diamond, but they both have things the other doesnt. So I am no better off.
When will someone make the perfect phone? lol
The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
I have had several PDA phones: Sansung i700, i730, i760, HTC Mogul. Of those I loved the i760 with it's number keypad (granted it had it's issues also). Hated the Mogul (low memory issue and slow). The Diamond I consider an outstanding phone. My biggest issue is the lack of responsiveness of the screen. Takes some getting use to. I did the registry changes but didn't notice a real difference. Compared to the other PDA phones I mentioned I love the display quality, size, look, feel, and $10 internet with Sprint. Perfect phone for me. The battery life I can deal with. I have a cradle with a spare battery, a car charger and spare charger at work so I'm always prepared. By the way the battery life seems to have gotten better with the latest ROM update. I could recomend it but I always let people know of the battery issue, screen responsiveness and still having problems with time issue here in Arizona (changes by an hour every once in a while for some reason).
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The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
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I second that!!!
It wasn't great out of the box. But now.... I love tweaking/flashing and would recommend it to anyone.
Although, if your thinking of purchasing a diamond, personally, I would wait till the 'Touch Diamond 2' is released.
I agree with alot of the comments
Basically the HTC Diamond, or it many variants, is an excellent device (and I have had many many many devices).
What it has going for it:
1. Size
2. Weight
3. Fantastic screen
4. Looks nice and cute/good form factor
5. Well made
Issues:
6. Battery should have been bigger - not really an issue for me as I have a charger at work and home. I tend to charge every two days unless I have been using it intensly and then top up on the day (normally I top up if on 2 bars).
7. Shipped firmwares in the UK are mostly pants!
8. No card slot. Now I want to be clear about this, if you are just installing programs and/or data the 4GB storage is absolutely fine, more then enough in fact. It also is good for a small set of videos or music. However, if you want to store large amounts of music or videos then this device is not for you!
Basically, if you upgrade the Diamond after purchase to one of the more excellent ROMs on this site, it will have a beautiful display and quick response.
Also, note that, unlike something like the HTC Touch, this is a premium device. Which means it has nice touches like the stylus is held in magnetically and also, when you pull the stylus out it automatically switches the display on.
In terms of the Diamond 2 issue, that is obviously a better device, but the price will reflect it, and the HTC Diamond is now looking very good value. Personally, I like buying phones at the end of their run, as the firmware and price are the best.
Lastly, the HTC Diamond is a bit of a cult device. Why is this important ? Because it means that the support on xda-developers is much better then the less popular devices. As the HTC Diamond's price goes down, this will just increase.
best rgds
i just seriously love my diamond..the price on ebay is going down at a rapid pace n yeah..i love it bcoz of all the tweakin u can do on it..
man oh man..on which other device can u get a "not yet working" android os as well as some iphone like stuff for unlockin, music etc..n u can just about change everything thats on the phone..
tht may be coz its my first ever windows mobile phone n i was suprised by the remote desktop..use it to play poker on facebook now!! wanna view tv for uefa cup late at night..no problemo..n the autofocus camera with a beautiful vga screen adds as the biggest pro as i snap pics of my college assignments that are readable on its vga screen
i am a little disappointed with the touch screen though..cos when in remote desktop full screen, u cannot reach to the minimize, maximize n close buttons.. though u can use another software but its the touchscreen fault as the 4 corners of the screen are difficult to tap..
but overall im very satisfied n recommend it to all
The diamond rules!!! Buy one!! Buy one now :d
I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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good luck! the quality of the diamond is much nicer then the atom.
start off on a good foot with a good rom
had a diamond sinve day 1 of orange uk launch
once flashed........a great phone.
does everything i want and more....so its gets a 10/10 from me...
if thats worth anything to you
^^^ Fanboy...
My opinion is that the Diamond is a nice attractive phone in a good size. Having said that, there are 3 major flaws:
1. Battery life
2. Speed
3. Software
The software one is the most solvable, with the number of tweaks, ROMs and free apps available here. I've supplemented that with a large amount of commercial software in order to get the best possible experience but this is of course very expensive to do properly.
Diamond is very good phone, i think you will never regret if you will buy one.
About problem on screen and presure ( i have that problem ), i think it comes because, when need to open back for sim card or for battery. To open back we need to press screen.
Had a diamond around 9 or 10 months now, considered buying an HD or a few other wannabees but any time I consider buying a new phone I just need to look @ my diamond & I remember why it's so damn good, It's looks haven't been matched or surpassed yet & the so called newer updated htc 1's/ other makes aren't that much better IMHO in performance etc... oh yeah & their all big fat bricks !!!
I'm sticking to my precious DIAMOND for a while yet thx
Oh & BTW that htc update has finally finally fixed it's biggest/ annoying bug, my diamond hasn't skipped an mp3 track since I installed it, I think I'll keep mine forever now hehehehe...
Day 3 and Im very pleased with this phone. The smoothness, speed, and non lag or freezes fills like Iphone quality. I know that the 1st complaints about WP7 was the ugly square tiles but now that Im using the OS and all that comes with it, I love it! Its all microsoft had claimed it would be. Its Very easy to manage and hassle free! Its just a breath of fresh air not having to deal with so many home screens and/or feeling like having to pass thru an obstacle course to do anything. I believe they went the wright direction with this OS, its simple looking but modern @ the same time. Transitions and effects are very smooth. My only complaint is the external sound quality of the speakers but HTC does have an audio enhancer app (free available) so lets see if that does the trick. But overall Its definitely a beautiful solid device. P.S. for those a little upset on not having a removable SD card, you do get 25g of storage on Skydrive so that kinda works out pretty good all tho I heard that it does come with a SD card, its just hidden. But it will void your warranty if you remove the sticker above it.
i have had mine for about 24 hours and yes it is a great device,cant keep my hands off it.i just cant wait for more apps and games.i would love to play tiger woods on this big screen.
the phone itself is pretty solid; the plastic back is a non-factor to me. screen is vivid enough that i dont care that it isnt amoled. although i do wish that the headphone hole is on top instead of bottom
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the phone itself is pretty solid; the plastic back is a non-factor to me. screen is vivid enough that i dont care that it isnt amoled. although i do wish that the headphone hole is on top instead of bottom
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I've seen many complaints about the headphone jack location-- I'm genuinely curious why you prefer that? My experience with top headphone jacks is that the cable always gets in the way of the screen.
-R
I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
Headphone hole on top or bottom for me i dont mind but coming off the Samsung Vibrant its a relief to have the usb on the bottom cause charging the phone in the car and talking on the Vibrant at the same time was a pain.
just came back from the T-Mobile store and I have to say this phone is even better than I expected. Microsoft has really done an amazing job for this mobile OS. I never thought I would ever see Microsoft eclipsing iOS when it comes to fluid and seamless user experience but WP7 has done exactly that. Those that said Microsoft is not going after Android but iOS, they were absolutely right.
I just couldn't believe that I was actually enjoying such speed on a last gen cpu based phone whereas the MT4G just sitting next to it seemed like last gen, weird! Pinch to zoom is even better than the Apple 4G and just the overall experience feels very next gen as I'm just tired of the endless widget based UI, but that's just me. To those that are still sitting on the fence, I just want to say that before you make a decision based on forums and youtube videos, go to your nearest T-Mobile store and test the HD7 out for yourself. I'm glad I did.
1 full day
I'm liking it pretty well. Here is a couple of things:
The voice dialing is dead on, but it looks like I have to go back thru my 1200 contacts and change all the "car" #'s to "other" because they are not showing up...it may confuse it to have a "mobile" # and a "car" # for the same contact.
It appears to have really good reception (I have used a Fuze, Sprint Epic, G2, and MyTouch 4G from the basement of a custom home our company is building and the HD7 has done the best on pulling in a signal).
From what I have looked at on the Market, it appears that many apps are just not prime time yet, but let's hope they get better.
One thing I REALLY want to see is Speech to Text on this phone. If they could get Dragon Dictate like whats on the MyTouch 4G, this phone would be exactly what I would want in a phone.
I'll add some more later.
this phone provides the best 'out of the box' experience that I've ever had - by a long way.... Simply unpack and start using, very little modification necessary once you get used to the live tiles.
I do wonder if I'm going to get a bit bored with it though.... part of my 6.5.x enjoyment was 1) *****ing about poor performance and then 2) doing my best to resolve said performance issues. Don't think this is going to be necessary with the HD7 - as it just works.
not a bad problem to have I guess......
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Yeah, Holes are supposed to be on the bottom. Even mother nature knows that!!
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I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
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I'm hearing that a lot, that's not good.
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
DJ Lu said:
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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trying to keep the phones as thin as possible.
DJ Lu said:
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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WP7 is awesome. But I hate this battery!
harsaphes said:
I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
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I don't have this problem. I streamed tmobile tv for half a day and only 1/4 of the battery was gone, that include browsing, play twin blade, use voice search, voice dial, looking up maps, making phone calls and textings.
Did you guys bleed your battery first or just charged it to full and started using it?
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I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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i found a 1500mha battery made by htc and fits like oem.. the htc wildfire uses it.. gonna go ahead and order that one.
tonight it was the first time taking pics in the dark and i have to say the flash is to damn intense.. need to be far from object otherwise u blind the **** out of people, lol ..there is no brightness setting ...i also found the camera botton not that soft to press ..u have to kinda press it some how a bit hard .. im gonna have to go back to store and check the other hd7
Gotta say, after the first few day's use, the battery on my wife's phone is doing really well. Don't get me wrong, she's not hammering it during the day, although I do in the evening, but last night it still had about 1/3 of the battery left (according to the little icon anyway which is infuriatingly difficult to interpret!).
The bigger battery sounds promising though!
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i found a 1500mha battery made by htc and fits like oem.. the htc wildfire uses it.. gonna go ahead and order that one.
tonight it was the first time taking pics in the dark and i have to say the flash is to damn intense.. need to be far from object otherwise u blind the **** out of people, lol ..there is no brightness setting ...i also found the camera botton not that soft to press ..u have to kinda press it some how a bit hard .. im gonna have to go back to store and check the other hd7
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are you sure it fits? let us know if it works, if it does work ill buy one too.
Searching Google lists many 1500mha batteries for the HD7..now im curious.
Just ordered one. We will see.
The biggest battery saving step I took was going into settings->email and accounts, and for each account, making sure 'download content' wasn't set to 'as they arrive'.
Unless push email is vital to you, this changed my phone from lasting about 6 hours to lasting 48.
Madly in love with my phone(don't tell my wife), but good God- battery sucks something fierce(yes, I know, I'm not the first to make this observation )
I get it, and I had the same rebuttals at first, but this sucker IS a lifesaver. I'm ok with shutting down data,wifi, etc when I don't need it, and this thing is perfect and EASY to use.
One button widget click and I get a couple extra hours
It's got a few different levels/settings, "MAX" shuts down almost everything, but still allowing calls and texts to come through(useful if I'm at a gig, etc). There's also a standard and a low setting.
Good gracious, my extended battery can't get here soon enough.
havent used that one but i use green saver free, turns off the 3g/4g radio when screen is off plus you can custom the tweak it does unlike jiucedefender which only works on aosp roms, this works on sense. today with stock battery, decent usage, 50 or so txts, bout an hour on the phone, little web and some gametime. 40 percent as of posting. meanwhile i took my phone off the charger at 930am est. also just recieved my mugen 1650 slim extended. will see how that works in the coming days.
you should look into the 2750 battery...the things a champ.
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you should look into the 2750 battery...the things a champ.
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MYxdaUSERNAME said:
you should look into the 2750 battery...the things a champ.
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I'd pay a bit more money than what they're charging for that thing.......if it weren't so ugly.
I don't need it standard size, but if they could make it a little smaller, and with a more aesthetically pleasing replacement case, I might consider.
I've got the 1650 on it's way, I'll take what little I can without changing the phone's physical profile.
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I'd pay a bit more money than what they're charging for that thing.......if it weren't so ugly.
I don't need it standard size, but if they could make it a little smaller, and with a more aesthetically pleasing replacement case, I might consider.
I've got the 1650 on it's way, I'll take what little I can without changing the phone's physical profile.
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The extended is well worth it, even if it does make the phone bulkier. To be honest, I kind of like it that way, it fits easier in my hand. I use it nonstop at school for almost 8 straight hours (emulators, games, internet, texting) and it's still green by the time i get home. I only charge it at night.
Ok, FOOT IN MY MOUTH. No sooner do I make the judgement call on the extended battery, then I run into someone who has it. First person I ever run into with another Thunderbolt, to boot.
I was wrong, it is NOT as obnoxious as all the pics make it look. It didn't look bad at all.
HOWEVER, I still won't pull the trigger, because that momma jomma won't fit in my verizon windowmount(specific for the phone).
Hopefully, at some point, they'll make one specifically for the extended battery, otherwise.........
I wonder if they even need the extra space to make the battery bigger. They probably just add bulk so people don't ***** about them making that the standard battery instead of giving you half the battery trash.
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I wonder if they even need the extra space to make the battery bigger. They probably just add bulk so people don't ***** about them making that the standard battery instead of giving you half the battery trash.
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Wouldn't be surprised. In the least.
I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
These are really just my opinions, and you are free to disagree. Even I might change my mind if there are really good reasons to!
I might as well add that paid about $860 (in Norway) for my P10 Plus while Galaxy S8+ costs "slightly more" (about $1,000). I just feel like I got so little in return for the price I paid.
I have to decide by tomorrow anyway whether to keep this device or return it, and I am currently leaning towards returning it.
Thanks for any tips, advices, opinions, etc.
Good things:
Responsive fingerprint reader on the front side, unlocks screen pretty much instantly.
Has a nice shape (like an iPhone 7). No annoying sharp edges except at the bottom holes for connectors, where I support the device with my pinky finger.
Lots of camera settings.
My device luckily has UFS 2.1.
Pretty good WiFi speed (measured more than 200 Mbps during internet speed test).
The DAC's quality is okay (not very good). A little bit of noise when using my sensitive in-ear headphones, but it's very bearable. This is only a "good" point because it's an upgrade from my old phone.
Bad things:
I already found some sluggish menus on day one.
Somewhat bad performance when taking photos and shooting videos, even playing back videos I captured is somewhat choppy.
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
The swiping on the fingerprint reader is a bit of a hit and miss because it might register a tap which means "back" (or exit).
Photos taken and saved as JPEG look bad. RAW images look quite a bit better but it takes seconds to save each image.
My GFXBench result is pretty bad compared to other devices.
Nitpicking:
The edge of the screen protector is so annoying I want to take it off. Note: If you do it, you might want to apply oleophobic coating.
I wish the fingerprint sensor indentation was a bit less deep, because it makes the swiping motion feel less comfortable. The screen protector is probably most of the reason though.
I was never able to transfer app data (only apps themselves) from my old device using any method suggested by Huawei. The thing that did work was a backup/restore using adb.
USB 2 is pretty slow after getting used to USB 3.
The device sometimes thinks that I am using a knuckle gesture when I am using the tip of my finger.
sometimes very laggy also. And some apps not compatible with the camera.
Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..
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Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..
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Camera send not so good to me, maybe I don't know how to use it
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I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
Bad things:
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
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Pretty much this phone is unusable due these 2 things, battery life is poor as AF, and from my perspective, Huawei messed up EMUI 5.1 really hard.
Probably an update would fix it, but we don't have ETA yet.
I will return back the P10 Plus because I think is not worth it, and I will buy a Mate 9 Pro that is virtually the same device, but battery life is so much better.
@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device
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@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device
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This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.
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when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
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One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it
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One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it
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Well, I'm talking about my room, which has air conditioning, and I just bought the P10 Plus and today I returned it back.
Problem solved, I got my money back, and I'm trying to see which phone to get, but pretty much I don' t like what I see in the market now.
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This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.
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The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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Today I returned my P10 Plus, for me there's no excuse to pay so much for a phone that has basic problems.
I will see if I get a Mate 9 Pro or any other phone, but I'm kind of picky when getting a new device.
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Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.
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Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.
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You should post your experiences in the battery thread, so it could have more visibility and people can start to acknowledge this, would be really nice from you to do it.
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Different screens
The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...
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The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...
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I'm sorry, but there is no way that the screen technology is the decisive factor between 3 and 6 hours SOT.
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adds to the difference
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decisive factor
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That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!
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That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!
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I understand your point, but still having AMOLED display means nothing in 2017. You can see the HTC U11 with LCD and has pretty goddamn battery life. You can have the normal Mate 9 with IPS and also has a really nice battery life. Right now screen technologies are really mature and it doesn't influence much (or at all) what kind is on a phone.
@Galaxo60
Point taken
Came from S8, I used it for a couple of months and now Im using P10 Plus.
Im more than happy now with P10+.
I have had my P10 Plus for about 2 months now and I can tell you I get around 5 hours of SOT with 1-2 of gaming. The battery stays at 100% for about 15 minutes regardless what I do and then begins to drop. Somehow form 70% downwards it starts to really slow its discharge rate. You might worry about this but the honest truth is that I can make it at the end of each day (around midnight) with around 15-20% battery left. For me this is more than enough as I recharge my phone every night.
I would suggest you stop worrying about your phone dying on you and just start using it. Also use Phone Manager once a day and you'll be good to go.
Hope it helps.