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Someone knows if its possible to make a program to run Iphone programs (like Ibeer en games for Iphone) on a Diamond ?
Like you have the emultor voor nintendo games...
Just get an Ipod Touch
Short answer: no.
Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
More serious answer: software emulation of devices (e.g. the SNES or other consoles) is really only possible if the hardware you're running the emulator on is two or three generations further advanced than the device being emulated. As the iPhone is a current gen device, and indeed it's likely to be more powerful than the Diamond itself, your chances of emulating it are less than zero.
Medulla said:
it's likely to be more powerful than the Diamond itself.
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How do you figure this?
Surur
surur said:
How do you figure this?
Surur
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Search for a bechmark Diamond vs iPhone.
Diamond is better but dont have Graphics drivers, laggy sounds some times, WIN MOBILE, etc...
iPhone is like a Mac Mini, can run anything designed for Mac more faster than the same software for windows...
Driskol said:
Search for a bechmark Diamond vs iPhone.
Diamond is better but dont have Graphics drivers, laggy sounds some times, WIN MOBILE, etc...
iPhone is like a Mac Mini, can run anything designed for Mac more faster than the same software for windows...
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When it comes to emulation the important part is the hardware. The Diamond has more RAM and a faster processor. The graphics processor is obviously very important, but I think that is the only aspect that may be different.
When you run Parallels on a mac mini, does that mean your mac mini is more powerful than your gaming desktop?
Surur
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The Diamond has more RAM and a faster processor.
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What arguments do you have for this statement?
Diamond has very poor graphics performance ATM.
@lede do you want to emulate iphone games if we cannot emulate even sega/snes perfectly? Not to mention native (2D - DirectDraw?) games..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F-8Saxseg
"Using the same game - DragonBall (on the Touch Pro I have to use SPHelper to start the game as it was designed for touchscreen - PocketPCs).
Left - HTC Touch Pro, Qualcomm MSM7201A @ 528Mhz
Right - HTC Tornado, TI OMAP 850 @ 180Mhz!!"
Videos & more info:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1806#comments
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391
Medulla said:
Short answer: no.
Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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spot on ahaha
heard some people say that iphone some gpu thingy
but apart from that there is a lot of overhead in emulating
which is why the person before said 2 or 3generation was required
and it would not be likely to cheat itunes to get to itune store
so it would be jail breake stuff too
Rudegar said:
heard some people say that iphone some gpu thingy
but apart from that there is a lot of overhead in emulating
which is why the person before said 2 or 3generation was required
and it would not be likely to cheat itunes to get to itune store
so it would be jail breake stuff too
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People are confusing emulating chips with emulating the environment. The reason why you need 3 generations to emulate hardware is because hardware is a lot faster than software.
Both the iPhone and the Touch run on ARM processors, making running the iPhone environment on Windows Mobile possible, just like running Parallels on the mac, or WINE on Linux.
Surur
Anyone has a Windows XP Emulator for the HTC Touch Diamond :O?
Hey all,
I am putting a HTPC together that will primarily be used with XBMC, but also be used to browse the internet and download films via lovefilm.com. Here is what I am considering...
AMD Llano A8-3800
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3800.html
Gigabyte Motherboard - AMD A75, Socket FM1, DDR3 (GA-A75M-UD2H)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-358-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2058
Corsair Vengeance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-298-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-368-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1953
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-037-OC&tool=3
Lian Li Case (PC-C37B)
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1194.html
For these simple tasks I am under the impression Llano will suffice. Should I be worried about the lack of a discrete GPU?
Also this will cost about £500 which is kind of pricey for a HTPC. Has anyone got any suggestions to reduce the price of the build?
Thanks for any feedback?
PSU and RAM is a bit overkill for a HTPC. Also, run LINUX if you wanna keep it low-powered. From what I hear, Llano has a great GPU but sucky CPU. It should suffice as a HTPC processor. I'd go for a lower end PSU and about 1GB RAM if Linux, 2GB if Windows.
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
edcoppen said:
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
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3D is overrated. I'm assuming that you:
1. Have a 3D HDTV.
2. Have the 3D glasses
3. Have a desire for headaches.
Also, a lot will depend on usage pattern/behaviour. If you are only using it for some browsing (assuming social networks, youtubes, reading forums like XDA, some degree of flash playing), the Llano should be more than sufficient. It will also serve well in a light gaming mode (we're talking COD:MW2 probably). And if you're running Linux, I'd say that bumping to 2GB will make it a behemoth when it comes to webapps.
That said and done, what I suggested (Linux build and bumping it to 2GB) will be more than sufficient for watching movies and some light browsing with webapps. The Llano is not good as a CPU, but it is a real kicker when it comes to making a no fuss dedicated system (although it sucks when it comes to making a good gaming PC). I believe that many sites actually view it as a high potential processor for HTPCs. Just remember to properly cool your rig (silent cooling FTW) when building your HTPC (my brother's sucked because he used a 9800GT).
So... building your own (if you have the expertise or can seduce/befriend someone with the expertise) will definitely yield savings, benefits and earn an essential geek badge.
Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
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Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
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Llano.
It has similar processing powers to an i3, but trumps even an i7 when it comes to GPU power. As for 3D, when the glassless 3DTVs come out, the specs will be different. I get most of my home movies off the internet, and from what I understand, a Blu-Ray disc has about 20+GB on average on it, so go figure.
Thank you for the good advice. I am nearly ready to make my purchase. I have decided to go for a custom Llano based system pretty similar to the one outlined in the OP. I will follow the advice though to downgrade the PSU and ram. Just a few more questions pls...
I was hoping to avoid using a dedicated GPU but I just realised i'm not sure if the motherboard supports lossless bitstreaming. I have looked but couldnt find out. Here's the motherboard I have in mind...
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A75M/#specifications/#specifications
If this board doesn't support it I will probably get this GPU but I want to avoid it if possible...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-263-SP
Thanks again for the help so far!
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Hmmm... I'll need to do a little homework first... I'll get back to you regarding the lossless streams
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Seems to me that using an AMD Phenom/Athlon with a dedicated GPU will be slightly cheaper., although the whole rig will never fit in that casing...
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
edcoppen said:
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
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AMD usually has a lower power profile than Intel, although if you underpowered your PC the processor will have to work REALLY hard to keep up... depends a lot.
Currently, an AMD-AMD setup for CPU and GPU combo is more efficient than an Intel-NVidia setup, although for the mid-range PCs, it might be different. A key component of power draw and power efficiency is actually your PSU. Most of the time, the PC will be on idle/low usage. Having an 80+ rated Gold or Platinum goes a loooooooong way towards saving power.
In terms of performance, the i3 does not have much benefit over AMD, because the good techs are limited to the i5s and i7s. AMD only differentiates the core count and superficial unlocks.
DISCLAIMER: A little late on this, but: I AM A HUGE AMD FAN. Not that I blow, but I really like AMD, and have been using AMD rigs for as long as I can remember.
Well I think I have come to a decision... again. Almost every component is different now. Here's my new selection of components:
Intel Core i3-2100T 2.5Ghz
MSI H67MA-E35 Intel H67
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 6670 1024MB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
SilverStone Grandia GD04
OCZ StealthXStream2 400w Silent
I can get all of these for a round £500. Any last minute feedback from anyone before I buy it all would be much appreciated.
One thing that I didn't clarify with you. The service is movie streaming or downloading? Coz 1TB is mighty little for heavy downloading (trust me).
Although, from your setup, the parts look mighty fine to me. Just upgrade the CPU and GPU down the road and you'll have a mainstream gaming rig
Not Android related by any means, but just perusing the net I stumbled upon an article about a phone called the xpPhone 2 running Win 7 & 8.
The thing that caught my eye though was its combined storage capacity of 112gb. & 18.5 hours of talk time and the ability to upgrade the ram, all within a 4.3" screen.
Currently it's only available in China.
http://en.xpphone.com/news/kuaibao/114.html
I spoke to them
I already spoke to them and it seems like a very interesting toy/weapon. Being a road warrior this would really lighten the load. Will follow how it develops closely!
1 inch thick Phone with extra battery and packing a Netbook processor.
Sounds severely underpowered for Windows but an Intel Atom would smoke any mobile processor lol.
I doubt it. At 1.6 single core. Thing blows. My phone is faster than my netbook.
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I doubt it. At 1.6 single core. Thing blows. My phone is faster than my netbook.
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Cores & GHz don't mean anything. x86 is a very fast, and faster than ARM. Arm just is better performance for power use. Plus you could install Androidx86.
Intel displayed something at ces that had a atom proc. If you watch mwc I bet they will have something about it too ...supposed to be bad ass
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Please dont believe that you will get a smartphone with this device.
Using xpphone1 showed me that it is a UMPC with a small phone-function. There is no automatic sync with outlook and no calendar with a reminder-function. The phone-software is very unstable and so you are not always reachable like using a "normal" handy. The camera for skype and photos is not in place, under the lens there is simply nothing. These are only examples out of the long list of problems. Questions to ITG (even if these problems are solved with xpphone2) are not answered. So if you need more than a technical gimmick any other smartphone will do a better job.
I am happy to announce the project I have been working on. I do not know what direction it will take from here but I thought it was a good time to show it.
A MID, UMPC, tablet, smartphone - anything you want it to be. This is a kind of hybrid between phonebloks/project ara and the nokia n900 series
The wiki should guide you through step by step and answer most questions you may have. I have always thought one of the most important parts of this project is being able to teach others to do this and make it as accessible as possible.
As the wiki mentions, please raise a ticket on the issue tracker if you have a problem. But if you just want to talk about it this thread would be fine and I will try to get back to it from time to time.
Special thanks to people on this forum specifically who made all those Windows Mobile editing toolkits way back and helped me realize what was possible with pocketable devices and move on from there.
Link to SFS MID wiki
I thought I would provide an update here. The project is still ongoing with a mainboard transition from the Raspberry Pi to the Odroid C0 SBC.
The hardware and software has come a long way making for a pleasant experience to use but yet enough flexibility for most situations and users.
As always, you can post here or on the issue tracker if you have any questions or just want to talk about MID development. Thanks and good luck.
This is a 6 month update. The project continues with a switch to the Lattepanda x86 SBC.
More positives than negatives come with the new ecosystem and the future is bright. It is hoped that with the x86 technology the project will become relatable to more people and the architectural reliability will prove to be an advantage.
You can always post here or on the issue tracker if you have any problems, questions or speculation on the future of MID development. Thanks and good luck.
This is one more 6 month update. I am using the Lattepanda x86 SBC exclusively now.
The layout of the devices has been redesigned to be more like a smartphone and there is a new shell available for 3d printing. In addition, the software has undergone an update and there are new development notes including testing with some Raspberry Pi 4 prototypes which ended up being too hot and using too much power. Finally, there are 5 new scripts uploaded and one included with the MID software which deals with multitouch gaming.
It works well but I am hesitant to call the project finished so if you have suggestions let me know.
Hello and welcome to another update on this longrunning project.
The launch of the Raspberry Pi 4 came and went without offering any power savings so the project continued on without it using some alternative platforms. On the dual goal of being able to play PC games, it is only until recently that the 8GB Pi 4 had that potential. Unfortunately there is not enough overhead for Linux gaming even on most low end x86 PC platforms so there is little hope current Pi versions will make for a good PC gaming experience.
If you read the development notes you will see some experiments with portable PC stick hardware running games such as Kerbal Space Program on Linux but those devices were a dead end as far as power savings go. Both in terms of lack of power saving features and in idle and load power draw.
Currently there does not seem to be a small x86 device that has working suspend/sleep/standby mode in Linux which renders the dual goal of a Linux smartphone device that can play modern PC games unattainable.
The VIM3 SBC does have a working suspend mode as well as a wide 5-20v input. This allows for much more battery power and energy without the corresponding
wiring complexity and loss of efficiency that you would have in a device that required "stepping down" the voltage to 5V. "Stepping up" from traditional smartphone and tablet batteries comes with it's own challenges as well. Namely, the effective current limit, maximum available power and conversion inefficiency from such low voltage batteries.
On the gaming front all hope for portable gaming is not lost. I have uploaded a bonus version of Retroarch with VIM3 support to the releases area as well. This release is intended for and works well for the older console systems.
Maybe one day we can get a device with 8GB+ RAM that can play PC games and go to sleep. Until then keep building!
I thought I would slip in and give an update just short of a year. A few patches may be still to come anyway.
The goal of a PC gaming phone-like portable has been largely attained. The Lattepanda Alpha SBC specifically has 8GB RAM and can suspend to save power. With a MID based on it you can do the kinds of things you would do on a smartphone as well as play PC games with a gamepad on the go, keyboard/mouse while docked or perhaps even with the touchscreen. The Lattepanda Delta can suspend and has 4GB RAM and is a cheaper alternative. Recent PC games can be played successfully but I would recommend something like a Steam Deck for cutting edge games. If using Android apps is something you would require in a personal mobile device then the large RAM of the Alpha is something that should make emulation possible. When finished you can put the device to sleep and put it in your rather large pocket.
There is something to be said for a smaller more manageable mobile device that is more the size of a smartphone. Even if that means gaming capability is compromised. The VIM 3 is smaller than the Lattepanda Alpha/Delta and has different USB functionality making for a smaller and simpler overall MID. This is more of a device that you can put in your pocket and hopefully not have it break. You can put a plastic shell around it like a commercial device but you will find that one large enough to give good protection makes the MID too large. I do not consider this a big deal since one of the goals of the project is to put more control into the hands of the user and this includes the realm of repairability. In other words if it breaks you can fix it.
Thus 2 parallel ARM and x86 codebases are being maintained for now. Extensive troubleshooting has been undertaken to fix some long standing hardware
stability problems on both MID platforms as well. Addditionally, all main wiki pages have received an update. Finally, another bonus compiled version of the latest Retroarch source has been added that focuses on PS1 emulation.
A special message for XDA Developers users. Don't throw away your Android phones just yet. As inexpensive as cellular plans are you can keep your phone and tinker with something like this too. But remember that when the automobile was first developed it was considered worse than the horse. Over time it was refined and eventually surpassed the horse as a means of transportation. I think as computer parts become more commoditized ever time something similar will happen and nothing will be able to stop us from putting together a phone ourselves.
I am not sure where it is going to go from here but I look forward to using the devices now that the dream has come true.
Hello, the opinion should be made on these points:-
1) performance ( relative both are same but according to you which feel fast on laptop)
2) battery life (optimization)
3) experience (look and feel)
4) satisfaction (do you enjoy using it on your laptop) (tell why?)
5) is it good for android development.
this tread will help all those who want to use either one and are confused, which to try,
give opinion from your heart.
1) Almost same performance on both OS
2) Pop os In my testing had better battery life
3) Pop os has a slightly refined UI
4) I don't know what you meant by this, but you will be satisfied by either of them
5) ANY linux based OS is great for android development.
Pop!_OS because of Flatpak.
Ubuntu uses snap and snap a proprietary development of Ubuntu. That's why it is better to use Pop!_OS.
- Performance almost same.
- Battery almost same? idk...
- Experience Pop!_OS over Ubuntu because of the new COSMIC desktop environment.
- Satisfaction??? What you mean?
- yes? xD
chratoc said:
1) Almost same performance on both OS
2) Pop os In my testing had better battery life
3) Pop os has a slightly refined UI
4) I don't know what you meant by this, but you will be satisfied by either of them
5) ANY linux based OS is great for android development.
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satisfaction means are you happy with that os. thanks for valuable opinion. what are your laptop specs ?
1. PopOS 10-20% faster than Ubuntu.
2. PopOS saves atleast 15% more battery than Ubuntu
3. PopOS feels stock. Less bloat, more work.
4. Yes I am satisfied with both of them.
5. TBH, Arch & NixOS is way faster than Ubuntu/Debian/APT based distros. PopOS has an advantage over memory usage here.
My laptop is an Asus X555LF with 8GB RAM, i3 5010U and an NVIDIA GeForce 930M.
Pop OS *is* Ubuntu, under the hood. It has a different desktop UI as the main difference. Extra software, development tools, drivers, etc will be identical, and come from the same sources (Ubuntu's repositories)
claydoh said:
Pop OS *is* Ubuntu, under the hood. It has a different desktop UI as the main difference. Extra software, development tools, drivers, etc will be identical, and come from the same sources (Ubuntu's repositories)
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But the bloat is a lot less. Also telemetry is removed.
Otus9051 said:
1. PopOS 10-20% faster than Ubuntu.
2. PopOS saves atleast 15% more battery than Ubuntu
3. PopOS feels stock. Less bloat, more work.
4. Yes I am satisfied with both of them.
5. TBH, Arch & NixOS is way faster than Ubuntu/Debian/APT based distros. PopOS has an advantage over memory usage here.
My laptop is an Asus X555LF with 8GB RAM, i3 5010U and an NVIDIA GeForce 930M.
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wow great, thanks for the info. i am sure it will help. thanks again.
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satisfaction means are you happy with that os. thanks for valuable opinion. what are your laptop specs ?
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I was pretty satisfied with pop os. So it's great!
The one I am using right now is a really old laptop.
Intel B815 2 core 1.6GHz with integrated graphics
4GB RAM.
I use manjaro-Gnome, although it's a bit heavier compared to other desktop environments, I love the customization on gnome. I don't use much apps other than telegram, spotify, media players and a web browser. It's smooth and stutter-free most time and the fans stay low pretty much all time. 1080p60 videos play like a charm without frame drops on twitch and youtube, so I am pretty satisfied with it given it's age.
Although I do have another laptop running Windows 11
i3 dual core (Not sure about the generation but it's pretty old too)
8GB Ram
chratoc said:
I was pretty satisfied with pop os. So it's great!
The one I am using right now is a really old laptop.
Intel B815 2 core 1.6GHz with integrated graphics
4GB RAM.
I use manjaro-Gnome, although it's a bit heavier compared to other desktop environments, I love the customization on gnome. I don't use much apps other than telegram, spotify, media players and a web browser. It's smooth and stutter-free most time and the fans stay low pretty much all time. 1080p60 videos play like a charm without frame drops on twitch and youtube, so I am pretty satisfied with it given it's age.
Although I do have another laptop running Windows 11
i3 dual core (Not sure about the generation but it's pretty old too)
8GB Ram
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great. i also love manjaro.(KDE)
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Hello, the opinion should be made on these points:-
1) performance ( relative both are same but according to you which feel fast on laptop)
2) battery life (optimization)
3) experience (look and feel)
4) satisfaction (do you enjoy using it on your laptop) (tell why?)
5) is it good for android development.
this tread will help all those who want to use either one and are confused, which to try,
give opinion from your heart.
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1) Hard to tell but I feel like Ubuntu is very slightly heavier and hence Pop OS wins in this
2) I found battery life to be awesome on Pop OS though I didn't test very thoroughly
3) That is something I changed on POP OS right away with a WhiteSur theme and Big Sur icons. Ubuntu Icons are anyday better than POP OS icons though i like the pop shell more and the dock makes sense on pop os 21.04 though ubuntu is getting that on 21.10 afaik
4) Yep, i am satisfied coming from Windows which was, ahem, a resource hogger, slow, battery hogger and was bad in general. I still need to dual boot for Premiere Pro and to test Windows 11 Dev builds on baremetal.
5) I don't do android development so not commenting on that but in general it is good for development I am learning web development and do python stuff occasionally and everything good so far. It is better than Windows anyday
[email protected] said:
Hello, the opinion should be made on these points:-
1) performance ( relative both are same but according to you which feel fast on laptop)
2) battery life (optimization)
3) experience (look and feel)
4) satisfaction (do you enjoy using it on your laptop) (tell why?)
5) is it good for android development.
this tread will help all those who want to use either one and are confused, which to try,
give opinion from your heart.
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1 Ubuntu has slightly more bloat out of the box, but it is about the same. PopOS is better tuned to System76 hardware, but those drivers can also be brought into Ubuntu. But Ubuntu has more projects testing against it, and more support.
2 Will depend on hardware and drivers. You can tweak this with either and get better performance with both.
3 Personal preference. I use Ubuntu with gnome-pannel and the old gnome 2 look and feel.
4 I love useing Linux on my laptop! (Either)
5 You can install all of the same tools on either.
Pehpe said:
Pop!_OS because of Flatpak.
Ubuntu uses snap and snap a proprietary development of Ubuntu. That's why it is better to use Pop!_OS.
- Performance almost same.
- Battery almost same? idk...
- Experience Pop!_OS over Ubuntu because of the new COSMIC desktop environment.
- Satisfaction??? What you mean?
- yes? xD
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You can install flatpak on Ubuntu. sudo apt install flatpak and it works. But frankly I do not like either, and remove snapd myself.
houstonbofh said:
1 Ubuntu has slightly more bloat out of the box, but it is about the same. PopOS is better tuned to System76 hardware, but those drivers can also be brought into Ubuntu. But Ubuntu has more projects testing against it, and more support.
2 Will depend on hardware and drivers. You can tweak this with either and get better performance with both.
3 Personal preference. I use Ubuntu with gnome-pannel and the old gnome 2 look and feel.
4 I love useing Linux on my laptop! (Either)
5 You can install all of the same tools on either.
You can install flatpak on Ubuntu. sudo apt install flatpak and it works. But frankly I do not like either, and remove snapd myself.
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i agree with you after trying both for my main workstation i also felt the same way
i have heard ppl said pop os have better support for laptop and optimus, they also have separated iso for nvidia. they sell laptops after all. and i do have to spend hourss to get rid of screen tearing on ubuntu.