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about the qualcomm 7200 chipset (noob asking a non-noob question)

first pls check this site out
it has the specifications of the chipset that the kaiser is using
http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp
my question is
duz it mean that, our kaiser has the potential to do whatever it says there on the specs?
like the 6.0MP camera and the 30FPS video?
gurus, pls enlighten me

Yeah, probably it can do all those things.. but first we need to wait for those guys at HTC figure out how to use them.
Meanwhile please sign the petition and do whatever you can to get those guys to fix this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500

jym04 said:
Yeah, probably it can do all those things.. but first we need to wait for those guys at HTC figure out how to use them.
Meanwhile please sign the petition and do whatever you can to get those guys to fix this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500
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no it doesnt mean we can magically have a 6.0 MP camera or 30 fps video, but the playback of video could be greatly improved by getting decent 3d acceleration drivers, which HTC has yet to provide.

Doug2873 said:
no it doesnt mean we can magically have a 6.0 MP camera or 30 fps video, but the playback of video could be greatly improved by getting decent 3d acceleration drivers, which HTC has yet to provide.
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Oh, I thought he meant 30 fps video playback, not recording.. my mistake sorry anyway, wouldn't harm to get everyone's attention to the acceleration drivers right?

It does mean the chip supports reading image data from a 6MP sensor. It is up to the manufacturer as to what size camera sensor they actually include (in this case 3.1MP). So, no magic software update to 6MP. As for 30fps video recording, if you are talented enough programmer, you might be able to figure out how to write an app to do it. The 30fps simply refers to how often the processor can get data from the image sensor. How many frames a second you can actually record, and at what resolution, is limited by programming skills and the relatively low performance of an ARM processor.

Why is'nt 30fps video recording possible? The only limitation is hardware related, which our hardware supports. The fps isnot related to the cam unit as far as I know. Previously on my ROKR E6 and my W800 I've increased the ps from 7 to about 20. I apologise if I am wrong, this is my first week with the Kaiser and still learning , first week with any windows based phone and I'm loving it

VGA (640*480) video-rec from Xpreia X1.

Since the diamond and Xperia X1 share the same Qualcomm platform and both have probably the same 3.2 AF camera module, can somebody manage how to make diamond record VGA (640*480 30 FPS) video, which Xperia can?
There's a firmware for X1 in X1 subforum, maybe somebody can use it's camera driver or whatever it is in Diamond firmware?

I think we pay a cheaper price for the diamond and as a result we obtain at the end a cheaper product.....the same happens with the Opera version without Flash Lite 3 support and many other things discussed on this forum.
But in some way will be nice to have the possibility to record videos with a bigger resolution.

No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.

pokevitek said:
No, this can not be just about marketing. There must be some HW reason. HTC doesent have reason to make better phone for Sony Ericsson than their best phone aka Touch Pro. Even if is true what you say about Diamond, Touch Pro would have VGA @ 30 FPS record capability, if this is just software thing. Why would HTC do something like this? Just realize, how many even more powerfull phones than Diamond have only QVGA record option. Dell Axim x50v, Asus P535, Even Omnia with brand new Monahan 624 MHz CPU can just [email protected] FPS. Dont tell me that HTC didnt include this option to Diamond and Raphael just becouse of marketing.
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Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.

HTC made the Xpreia x1 so it has been rumored. designed by sony made by HTC????

qtek_metanol said:
Hi pokevitek, HTC does not manufacture devices for SONY, they produce their products using a very strange marketing strategy, just look into the past, troubles with devices like Kaiser and Cruise, which where using the same HW but getting different HTC SW versions , e.g. the camera SW.
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HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.

poedgirl said:
HTC is the manufacturer for the Xperia X1. It's just rebranded by Sony Ericsson.
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Ok, if so, i'll never understand the kind of marketing strategy HTC is using for.....!!! but the crazy thing is, they have a big success as Smartphone and Pcket PC manufacturer...!!!

htc used to only make devices for other companys
think it's rare now though

I understand licensing the codec to do VGA 30fps recording cost more money, hence HTC never did it.
I think porting the driver is a good strategy that should be pursued
Surur

I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...

sensorama said:
I think we should port as much as possible from the x1.
Just because we can
Just downloaded the rom...
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where did you download it?
UPS...sorry found it ;-)

Topaz video capturing,What's wrong with HTC

Hello everyone
Seriously whats wrong with HTC?
Same time when all companies try to give a better response to costumers with more improvements ,here we go again.... HTC is just making it worse.
The HTC diamond 2 ( Topaz) is Using the same Camera HTC HD Does. Touch Pro، Diamond and Touch HD all capture videos in CIF Resolution . The new VGA version cut the bit rates to the Half,now Instead of 30 frames per second we have 15.... Is it even funny?
I know its all related to the Software,they easily can solve the problem with an update so what we can do?Im sure they are not going to make such updates.
So any Idea how we can make it?How to tell them?

I dont think it's related to software..
30fps vga movie recording is (640*480)*30fps burst image recording with compression.. So, it's limited by hardware imho..

definitely a hardware issue, not software

DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!

Zinnix said:
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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Thats not completly true, my old N95 8GB had a very good video capture

I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.

Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................

adesonic said:
Zinnix is right though, if you have aspirations to be a movie maker, buy a proper movie camera................
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I already have one
The problem is they could do it better when previous versions have a better one,anyway leave it because Topaz image capturing satisfies me and that's enough.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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mine too

Zinnix said:
DUDE!
if you wana make a film or film things, you shude buy a filmcamera
cameras on phones SUCK ! on ALL phones!!!!
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This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.

P996 said:
This is complete nonsense. There are a couple of phones (starting with the Nokia N95) which have an excellent video recording quality.
I also get pretty mad at HTC when I compare the SE C905 camera to the HTC Diamond 2 camera. Even the "old" Nokia N95 takes much better pictures than the Diamond 2, I won't even start to mention the much higher shutter release/focus speed of the N95.
As to video PLAYBACK quality, HTC sucks bigtime. I don't know what is wrong with them but most of their newer devices need a lot of tweaking and/or special programs like CorePlayer to be able to playback video files in a decent quality. I know it is a hardware restriction (Qualcomm sucks!) but HTC is to blame for it because this is nothing new and there are thousands of complaints about this on the internet.
Samsung actually proved pretty well that most "issues" on modern Windows Mobile devices aren't caused by Windows Mobile but are limitations induced by the used hardware. Take the Samsung i780 as an example: this device has NO problems whatsoever to playback video files in a decent quality. It uses a Marvell chipset, not Qualcomm. Also look at the decent camera of the Samsung Omnia i900, it may mot beat the Nokia N95 photo quality but it is definetely better than anything HTC has to offer, sad but true.
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I Second that,but The phone definitions are available on Net before we get a handy so we all knew its nothing new. We are talking about Pocket pcs but As for Multimedia you could wait for Omnia HD which is the king.
I was going to buy Omnia HD but well Its not going to come with windows mobile ,For now Topaz was the best choice for me because i couldn't wait anymore.
For those who can Wait ,We are going to see new generation of pocket pcs within 2 or 3 month so you can wait.

PhilXdaOrbit2 said:
mine too
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Common boys,Doesn't matter where you get it but they are all same. Please read various reviews of Topaz every where and you will see this problem is not just about me.

peterbonge said:
I don't know what's wrong with your device(s), but mine is recording fine with 30 fps.
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Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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mine too
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How do you tell? I've got it set for VGA but it only records at about 16-19fps.

I've just switched from a N95 to a D2 and the video looks great on the D2 compared to the N95.
I just got my D2 last week so could it be a newer ROM?

WMguy said:
Mine only records at just under 20fps. How are you getting 30fps? Is there a tweak or something I'm missing? Thanks
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I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps

peterbonge said:
I think I can solve this mystery now: The D2 records with variable frame rate. Some programs or tools (like GSpot) are showing only the maximal frame rate, which is indeed 30 fps. Other tools are showing the averaged frame rate. Now I've found a tool called MediaInfo, which shows all frame rates. I've just tested it with a recorded video:
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Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 19.228 fps
Minimum frame rate : 7.500 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 fps
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It has 5 kind of Resolution:
1- S(128x96)
2-M(176x144)
3-L(320x240)
4-CIF(352x288)
5-VGA(640x480)

payameno said:
It has 5 kind of Resolution:
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What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.

peterbonge said:
What do you want to tell us with this listing? I was talking about the frame rate and not the resolution.
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Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps

payameno said:
Each Resolution has its own Frame rate,For VGA its 15 fps
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Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.

peterbonge said:
Have you checked that with MediaInfo? The results I've posted are from a VGA recording.
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Not actually,Im just saying that as its what GSMArena reviews says.
I think there is something strange here.
How a same VGA Resolution does the recording with such various Frame rates? There is no option to change Rates so basically it just records with an invariable rate which it seems to be 15 fps for the VGA resolution.

Xperia x2 delay

hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it

turnerhall said:
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
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You can't be serious!
SE delaying a release, shocking!!!
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but SE has NEVER released a device on time, EVER.

who the hell cares
honstly i dont know why sony should bother. i for one dont really care anymore if it ever gets released
they did not bother fixing the the biggest issue with the x1 (the extremely poor performance). they just added more performance sucking features like the winmo 6.5, new applications/customization and 8,1 camera and kept the same slow driverless QC7200 528mhz chipset] just to guarantee that it will lag even more than the X1. after seeing the HD2 performance and comparing it to every "fast" 6.5 rom on the x1. it becomes evident that anything less than snapdragon is just not worth it anymore on highh-end phones
and then there is the problem of ~700euro price. please SE spare us your crap. the omnia pro has been available for several months now and it has better specs (AMOLED 3.5 screen,800MHZ, compass, samsung build quality (not the unproven mobinovva quality) and its less than 400euros
and dont even get me started on the lack of XDA-devs support which is probably probably the reason why i haven't regretted buying the X1
if i were you, id just use the X1 untill a suitable replacement like the tpro3 (i dont think SE will ever release the x3 since i dont expect them to do well with the x2). if you cant wait that long just get the hd2 now. i did not miss the HW keyboard with that 4.3" capacitive screen

yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
I doubt that you will see any significant performance gains with any of the new WM devices from SE or HTC using the same MSM7200 ****. I plan on hanging onto my x1 another 5 months or so (or at least until the housing completely breaks) hoping something better rolls along, or I can get my hands on an X10.

1. who care when they can be ported to x1
2. what does this have to do with rom devolopment of xperia. if u wana post it, atleast do it in the right section....either xperia genereal or off-topic
cheers

I say this should be moved to xperia general subforum

Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.

their half hearted [email protected] entering the windows mobile market have failed miserably in my opinion. the X1 and x2 were delayed because of software (that no one really care about). almost all cooked roms have tf3d and most roms dont have any of SE unpracticle crap like the useless panels and the very untouch friendly interface.
i think sony may have a chance of not failing if they change the hardware to snapdragon but thats very unlikely because SE are simply not capable of doing such task at such short notice. i dont see the point of releasing x2 with the slow CPU even if they reduce the cost there is just not enough interest.

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Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
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Played with Satio at the mall today, it was not up to my expectation.

looks like sony ericssons gonna lose a lot
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino_pulled_out_from_uk_stores_just_after_satio-news-1286.php

matthewpapa said:
yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
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I disagree
May I ask: currently, which windows phone has the better camera of all ??
To me, and considering Rhodium's toyish 3.1 MegaPix camera, Diamond2/Topaz's bring-your-flishlite 5 MegaPix camera, and HD2's "viagra effect" 5 MegaPix camera, the X2's 8 megapixels camera alone is reason enough to upgrade from X1 to X2
Just my oppinons after 2 weeks using the X2 camera for a daily basis (my cybrshot is busy accumulating dust in my room)
PS: THIS FORUM NEEDS ACTIVE MODS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL SUB.
HEY WE DESERVE MODS TOO HERE @ HTC'S BASTARD SIBLING (kovsky) FORUMS !!

i will definitely buy the X2 if it is available now in local market ... and for lower price

Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..

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Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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i agree
for me as X1 user the X2 is an must-have.....
here my points why i want to have it:
1. CPU seems to have full power now and not throttled to 400MHz
2. camera (i would bet its the module from C905 so i expect great quality)
3. 3.2" display is absolute perfect size (big enough to use finger and not too big so i can reach the whole screen with one hand and thumb)
4. no dust-collecting edge on display
5. best battery lifetime of all WM devices like X1 before (with TP2 together strongest battery but smaller display)
6. stereo speaker with hopefully great sound quality (some people compared it with W995, Nokia 5800 ams Samsung i8910 (i also own the nokia and the samsung)
7. a much better keyboard than the X1 (but X1 keyboard was already very good for me)
8. Amazing, smooth animated tilewave panel i tested on my X1
9. panels are very useful for me (on the road, tilewave, WM Homescreen, SPB Mobile shell, Facebook i use very often) and damned fast now also on X1
10. the great continous support with 48h repair warranty
that are 10 reasons to by the X2 for me and these reasons are worth the 510€ in switzerland for me........
and to the "slow" CPU:
what do you expect from snapdragon???? only that start menu scrolling is smoother than with MSM7200????? damned guys think about it!!!! the only reason for snapdragon would be to play high res 3D games with iPhone graphics...... but when do you think such games will come????? the game developers have to spend more ressources in game developement like xtract which works perfectly with the 7200 hardware...... or what would you say if you have to buy a PC with a 1000€ CPU to play a game on PC doesn't support hardware accelleration????? and for alle other usages the X1 was already fast enough and if you use the Touch HD video converter from the Blackstone thread you can also watch 800x480 videos smooth on X1!!!!!
and a last thing:
the X2 is the inly actual device with this complete hardware bundle and qwerty keyboard and with SE quality on the market....... and these Omnia Pro ****???? i have the first omnia and its slower and more laggy than my 5800 nokia crap and the omnia 2????? i read some test reports and it is the same **** like the one before...... Samsung is too silly to make good wirking and useful software for its devices and SE does this much better almost on the 2nd run!!!!!
EDIT: ah sry for my bad english i'm from germany ;-)

I agree completely with Jerpelea and others who like the X2. I was thinking of going in for an HTC HD2 but am now not so sure. I need a keyboard and a good camera and enough real estate to read ebooks and browse the web comfortably. It seems the X2 will be able to do all these things well. As for Snapdragon, many reviews of the HTC HD2 have complained about the "lagging" and the terrible battery life. I guess it all boils down to what you want a device for.

in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december

sonyxperia2 said:
in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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hmm i talked to SE X2 support one our ago and they said the X2 is shipped to german sellers since middle of last week......
expansys switzerland and germany sais the date is today...... hmm pressing both thumbs.....

[Q] 3D Hardware accelerator

I've seen a few demo videos playing 3D games which actually look and feel better than the i4. I was wondering if anyone had any detailed information on the 3D Chipset of HD7 and how is it greater or inferior to the PowerSVGX 3D processor of the i4.
Thanks.

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I've seen a few demo videos playing 3D games which actually look and feel better than the i4. I was wondering if anyone had any detailed information on the 3D Chipset of HD7 and how is it greater or inferior to the PowerSVGX 3D processor of the i4.
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it is the same in hd2 adreno 200 with up to 22m triangles/sec , nearly the same as i4 (28m tri/sec) but wp7 have better drivers and directx 9 support ,that is why it looks better in graphics