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Is the Diamond affected as is the Kaiser/TyTnii

With regard to video performance etc which HTC refuse to address?

No (filler)

Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?

pachjo said:
Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?
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hihi this means that he has to fill his sentense because the minimum lenght of a message is 6 (?) characters...
he also could have written: no my friend...

LOL thanks dude.
I am thinking about going against my better judgement and ditching the TyTnII and selling it then upgrading to a contract to get the diamond.
I like the HTC devices and would gladly keep the TyTnii but the performance is annoying me as I know although acceptable knowing it could do better ......
well ya know

Yeah sorry mate, could have been a bit politer. And it was to add more characters like he said. I think the minimum is 10.
Rory

lo no worries

I hope I'm not too late, because you'll regret it if you dump your Kaiser for the Diamond over video performance.
See this thread for benchmarking details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397478
Playing the same video, the Diamond was only able to match the HTC Touch's performance. The Touch has the same processor and video issues as the Kaiser. The diamond was almost 30% slower than a 3 year old 6700 running at 416mhz.
Edit: I was also told that this website had done prior benchmarking to verify that while the Diamond featured some video improvements over the Touch and Kaiser, they weren't significant overall.

I like the diamond, but I wouldn't ditch my tytn II for it just yet unless you have plenty of $$$, wait for the diamond pro and reconsider.
-mix

Thanks for the info! I was toying with the idea of getting a diamond as the tytnII perfromance does niggle me.
But I have been reading a lot on this site and am now being drawn to having a go at flashing my tytnII ..... after I have thoroughly read what I need to first of course!

The Touch Diamond doesn't seem to be even close to for example Samsung i780 video performance, so I'd say that it still has some sort of video performance issues, if not the same as the TyTN II has.
Although I like the Touch Diamond, I think that HTC rushed things with this unit and it DEFINETELY isn't the 530 EUR worth I paid for.
I bought a SE C902 for 350 EUR one week earlier and although this is no WM device and I can't install many third party programs(just java stuff), the performance and especially the camera of the C902 are really very very good. Yes, the Touch Diamond looks better but the C902 is even slightly thinner and less wide, not to forget about the mentioned absolutely GREAT picture quality/speed of the 5MP camera.

Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...

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Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...
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so? you still wouldn't get better performance out of it. Same driver issues.

Diamond HTC CAMERA software will work on HTC ATHENA??

Hi all Could anybody please tell me whether CAMERA Software form HTC Diamond could work flawless on HTC X7500 Athena with WM6 (I know that Diamond has 3.2 Megapix and Athena 3.0) and if yes could also make a cab file to have an opportunity to install it on Athena (am besten newest version from Diamond ROM WM6.1)???
Athena's camera soft version 4.01 build 27598 makes unfortunately terrible pictures
Thaks for reply

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Hi all Could anybody please tell me whether CAMERA Software form HTC Diamond could work flawless on HTC X7500 Athena with WM6 (I know that Diamond has 3.2 Megapix and Athena 3.0) and if yes could also make a cab file to have an opportunity to install it on Athena (am besten newest version from Diamond ROM WM6.1)???
Athena's camera soft version 4.01 build 27598 makes unfortunately terrible pictures
Thaks for reply
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terrible pictures? you must be jocking!

Well if you like them its your opinion but compared to sony ericsson or Nokia they are terrible

mixerjeden said:
Well if you like them its your opinion but compared to sony ericsson or Nokia they are terrible
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The Diamond takes bad pictures too, no win situation here I'm afraid.
I also own the new SonyEricsson C902, this little thingie is a treat in the camera department.

And sony ericsson firmware updates (according to camera soft) almost always improve schutter speed, screen refresh rate (when you have camera lens open) and the quality actually Maybe HTC envy this sony ericsson in near future.
And HTC ATHENA has terrible screen refresh rate - when I move it to follow for Example something that I want to photograph, I can hardly say what is going on on Athena's screen

for photos i have a 7mp kodak. for video i have a jvc mini dvd.
i don't ask much from a PHONE camera. it's only a PHONE camera made for a quick snapshot in case of emergency. no artistic demands here. i don't buy a pda for his camera and i don't compare pda's by their camera.
it is like using yr DVD as a shovel or a hammer.

I agree with you but:
1. If it is possible to improve sth why not improving it and
2. People nowadays are looking for a phone (or sth else) with good and fast camera because thanks to that they have opportunity to make a picture when they want and of what they want because they have Mobile phone always with them. To have beautiful pictures I would use NIKON or CANON but sometimes I need to make picture immediately. And many new Nokias or Sony Ericssons are better than HTC and many People will change HTC to NOKIA or SE in the future if HTC not improves for example camera. Its a competition and the best will win

Why is Diamond worse than Xperia?

Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.

I don't think the CPU is the bottleneck here, but the GPU

pokevitek said:
Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.
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i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.

bouzoubaa said:
i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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nope, HTC manufacture it

bouzoubaa said:
i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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The Experia is in fact produced by HTC, but distibuted by SE

Xperia is made by HTC FOR Sony Ericsson. HTC made it. Yes, Xperia has 256 MB RAM, but I dont tnihk this is it. I am almost sure this is not. Diamond´s 192 is not low number. GPU? It has the same GPU as Diamond. 7201A CPU are dual-core, one core is processor core, and the second one is GPU core. And more, Loox 720 (siemens) can play video VGA 1,5 Mb at 120%, but Diamond only 92%, same displays. And that loox 720 has PXA 520MHz Xscale CPU, 3 years old CPU is way better than brand new 7201A even in QTv mode. HTC universal - VGA, 520 MHz Intel Xscale - 114%. Even HTC old device can play video much better than brand new Diamond. F**k HTC.

Seems they have given Diamond users crap drivers

More like crappy chipset. Coreplayer works with hardware directly, and its still worse than with comparison with XScale.
Or just maybe HTC underclocked MSM on Diamond, because otherwise its 900Mah battery wont last even a day

I dont think so. CorePlayer uses some bypass (TyTN 2 driver mode), Myabe some modifications could be done there. I have official text which says that CorePlayer will beter support Diamond (7201A chipset).

I wasnt aware they tested Coreplayer on Xperia, nor that they already have Xperia support there

No, they didn´t. But official materials says that Xperia will be able to play video at VGA resolution with DVD bitrate. Which is much better than Diamond.
Anyway, With same chipset, Xperia still can make better videos than Diamond. About that CorePlayer official text. I wrote them an e-mail, asking for better Diamond 7201A support, and I get this: "Yes we will be working on this version to better work with the device." So maybe we will have some better video playback performance. Who knows. I dont think that chipset is bad, Call Of Duty mobile is smoother on 7201A then on Xscale 520MHz. And MMX can accelerate graphic. I hope that this is all about implementation of the QTv mode. (Becouse this could be solved).

I wouldnt trust what they *say* in PR statements about device that is still in production at all. I still remember very well how they touted Kaiser as "multimedia-rich" device and then tried to slip off when users started to become outraged of how slow it actually was.

Yes, I know, but there is one thing different - it will be "sony ericsson" phone. I think they know what they promis. Anyway, like I said, CorePlayer maybe increase speed of video playback, becou that is the last bad think on diamond. (At least last BIG bad tnihg)

would be nice to have a multi-window like card like touch sleep screen on th Diamond like the Xperia has

Still, any ideas why Diamond and Raphael can not record video at VGA @ 30 FPS, while Xperia witrh SAME CPU can?

Announcing Touch Diamond 2

Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Taiwan HTC Corp. released a new version of gadget HTC Touch Diamond 2. The newly-designed product weighs 175g and differs from the first version with the following features: WVGA touch-screen has larger dimensions and higher resolution – 3.2 MP (480x800 pixels). For supporting the tradition, there will be restrained HSDPA, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. The users of the gadget based on OS Windows 6.1 will have the improved Touch Flo interface with some added elements resembling Palm Pre.
The gadget functions based on chipset Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz and has 5 MP camera with auto focus ability. Thus, it is 3 MP more than it was in the first version. The smartphone has 512Mb ROM, 288Mb RAM, besides it is possible to enhance the memory by means of microSD card. The phone has also GPS and A-GPS functions.
In future HTC Corp. intends to impress its fans with new software-innovations. In particular, HTC Corp. has already developed software-initiative Push Internet supposed for better functioning of the gadget in the Internet.
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Is this SPAM ? Or do you really think that a site like this four days later still has no clue about phones that were announced four days ago.
Even though more than a few of it's members were actually at the conference where the phones were announced.
On second thought this has got to be spam.

Its not spam.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html

Xperia x2 delay

hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it

turnerhall said:
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
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You can't be serious!
SE delaying a release, shocking!!!
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but SE has NEVER released a device on time, EVER.

who the hell cares
honstly i dont know why sony should bother. i for one dont really care anymore if it ever gets released
they did not bother fixing the the biggest issue with the x1 (the extremely poor performance). they just added more performance sucking features like the winmo 6.5, new applications/customization and 8,1 camera and kept the same slow driverless QC7200 528mhz chipset] just to guarantee that it will lag even more than the X1. after seeing the HD2 performance and comparing it to every "fast" 6.5 rom on the x1. it becomes evident that anything less than snapdragon is just not worth it anymore on highh-end phones
and then there is the problem of ~700euro price. please SE spare us your crap. the omnia pro has been available for several months now and it has better specs (AMOLED 3.5 screen,800MHZ, compass, samsung build quality (not the unproven mobinovva quality) and its less than 400euros
and dont even get me started on the lack of XDA-devs support which is probably probably the reason why i haven't regretted buying the X1
if i were you, id just use the X1 untill a suitable replacement like the tpro3 (i dont think SE will ever release the x3 since i dont expect them to do well with the x2). if you cant wait that long just get the hd2 now. i did not miss the HW keyboard with that 4.3" capacitive screen

yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
I doubt that you will see any significant performance gains with any of the new WM devices from SE or HTC using the same MSM7200 ****. I plan on hanging onto my x1 another 5 months or so (or at least until the housing completely breaks) hoping something better rolls along, or I can get my hands on an X10.

1. who care when they can be ported to x1
2. what does this have to do with rom devolopment of xperia. if u wana post it, atleast do it in the right section....either xperia genereal or off-topic
cheers

I say this should be moved to xperia general subforum

Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.

their half hearted [email protected] entering the windows mobile market have failed miserably in my opinion. the X1 and x2 were delayed because of software (that no one really care about). almost all cooked roms have tf3d and most roms dont have any of SE unpracticle crap like the useless panels and the very untouch friendly interface.
i think sony may have a chance of not failing if they change the hardware to snapdragon but thats very unlikely because SE are simply not capable of doing such task at such short notice. i dont see the point of releasing x2 with the slow CPU even if they reduce the cost there is just not enough interest.

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Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
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Played with Satio at the mall today, it was not up to my expectation.

looks like sony ericssons gonna lose a lot
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino_pulled_out_from_uk_stores_just_after_satio-news-1286.php

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yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
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I disagree
May I ask: currently, which windows phone has the better camera of all ??
To me, and considering Rhodium's toyish 3.1 MegaPix camera, Diamond2/Topaz's bring-your-flishlite 5 MegaPix camera, and HD2's "viagra effect" 5 MegaPix camera, the X2's 8 megapixels camera alone is reason enough to upgrade from X1 to X2
Just my oppinons after 2 weeks using the X2 camera for a daily basis (my cybrshot is busy accumulating dust in my room)
PS: THIS FORUM NEEDS ACTIVE MODS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL SUB.
HEY WE DESERVE MODS TOO HERE @ HTC'S BASTARD SIBLING (kovsky) FORUMS !!

i will definitely buy the X2 if it is available now in local market ... and for lower price

Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..

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Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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i agree
for me as X1 user the X2 is an must-have.....
here my points why i want to have it:
1. CPU seems to have full power now and not throttled to 400MHz
2. camera (i would bet its the module from C905 so i expect great quality)
3. 3.2" display is absolute perfect size (big enough to use finger and not too big so i can reach the whole screen with one hand and thumb)
4. no dust-collecting edge on display
5. best battery lifetime of all WM devices like X1 before (with TP2 together strongest battery but smaller display)
6. stereo speaker with hopefully great sound quality (some people compared it with W995, Nokia 5800 ams Samsung i8910 (i also own the nokia and the samsung)
7. a much better keyboard than the X1 (but X1 keyboard was already very good for me)
8. Amazing, smooth animated tilewave panel i tested on my X1
9. panels are very useful for me (on the road, tilewave, WM Homescreen, SPB Mobile shell, Facebook i use very often) and damned fast now also on X1
10. the great continous support with 48h repair warranty
that are 10 reasons to by the X2 for me and these reasons are worth the 510€ in switzerland for me........
and to the "slow" CPU:
what do you expect from snapdragon???? only that start menu scrolling is smoother than with MSM7200????? damned guys think about it!!!! the only reason for snapdragon would be to play high res 3D games with iPhone graphics...... but when do you think such games will come????? the game developers have to spend more ressources in game developement like xtract which works perfectly with the 7200 hardware...... or what would you say if you have to buy a PC with a 1000€ CPU to play a game on PC doesn't support hardware accelleration????? and for alle other usages the X1 was already fast enough and if you use the Touch HD video converter from the Blackstone thread you can also watch 800x480 videos smooth on X1!!!!!
and a last thing:
the X2 is the inly actual device with this complete hardware bundle and qwerty keyboard and with SE quality on the market....... and these Omnia Pro ****???? i have the first omnia and its slower and more laggy than my 5800 nokia crap and the omnia 2????? i read some test reports and it is the same **** like the one before...... Samsung is too silly to make good wirking and useful software for its devices and SE does this much better almost on the 2nd run!!!!!
EDIT: ah sry for my bad english i'm from germany ;-)

I agree completely with Jerpelea and others who like the X2. I was thinking of going in for an HTC HD2 but am now not so sure. I need a keyboard and a good camera and enough real estate to read ebooks and browse the web comfortably. It seems the X2 will be able to do all these things well. As for Snapdragon, many reviews of the HTC HD2 have complained about the "lagging" and the terrible battery life. I guess it all boils down to what you want a device for.

in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december

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in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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hmm i talked to SE X2 support one our ago and they said the X2 is shipped to german sellers since middle of last week......
expansys switzerland and germany sais the date is today...... hmm pressing both thumbs.....