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I've installed a few games, and randomly, a few of these icons on my PDA turns black. As in it retains the shape, but just becomes pure black. SOft reseting solves the problem for a while, but after a period of time it randomly becomes black again.
What i want to know is:
1) does anyone know the cause of this. The stuff i installed are all VGA compatible and i play em with no problem
2) Should i be worried? Do i wait for an update, or should i claim warranty?
I have the same problem, everytime I install an application,
it's icon turns into black, I have format and retry the diamond many time, but still got this problem.
I try to install one program at a time, then soft reset it each time, then the icon restore back...
Don't know what is wrong.
It might be VGA related. I had the same problem and i have a previous version from you. The program works without a problem but the icon was a bit fuzzy in the beginning but after a while they turned out ok
yea but after a while it becomes fuzzy again
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elohssanarerauoy said:
That's the way HTC products work dude! Once you get suckered, you're Fcuked!:[/SIZE]D
They've got no product that works properly out of the box!:[/SIZE]mad:
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That's a strange thing to say, considering the nature of this forum.
If you're not a fan of these devices, than why are you here? Flog them on eBay and get an iPhone
PS. Your large text makes baby jebus cry
lol
elohssanarerauoy said:
They've got no product that works properly out of the box!
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Most of them work properly. I haven't had to make any changes to my Touch.
The proper UK version of the Touch Diamond will also probably work properly too. However, 'properly' isn't good enough for most people here - we want AWESOME.
Increase the Icon Cache and soft reset:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE]
"limit"=dword:00020000
Note: The dword 00020000 is hexadecimal which is equivalent to dword 131702 decimal.
KOR!
elohssanarerauoy said:
That's the way HTC products work dude! Once you get suckered, you're Fcuked!:D
They've got no product that works properly out of the box!:mad:
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That's just not true! Sure they don't do the max they can do, but what does? And anyway, that's what this site is for
thanks KOR, i'll give it a try!
King of Rapture™ said:
Increase the Icon Cache and soft reset:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE]
"limit"=dword:00020000
Note: The dword 00020000 is hexadecimal which is equivalent to dword 131702 decimal.
KOR!
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hey i changed to 131702 but its 0x20276 not 20000
doesnt fix the problem
bump this major bug for attention
IMPORTANT UPDATE (regarding black icons): It appears that the cause of our ugly black icons is not our VGA screen, but Touch Flo 3D itself. Looks like its a bit buggy. So we'll have to wait for a proper rom update regarding it (or perhaps someone can come up with a registry fix). Don't believe me? switch off your Touch Flo 3D, and soft reset your PDA. All icons should turn back to normal. Also, with Touch Flo 3D off, you can expect better battery life, as well as a significant increase in speed for your pda
Woo...Bugs in TouchFLO 3D. Oh well, at least HTC will be updating it for a while. That should be interesting...
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Woo...Bugs in TouchFLO 3D. Oh well, at least HTC will be updating it for a while. That should be interesting...
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They didn't do that for the Kaiser *cough* Drivers *cough*
Drivers are a more serious problem. UI problems are normally easy to fix. In other threads, people have already begun tweaking to improve TouchFLO 3D's performance...
Dark Fire said:
Drivers are a more serious problem. UI problems are normally easy to fix. In other threads, people have already begun tweaking to improve TouchFLO 3D's performance...
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In theory, yes, but whether HTC will do anything at all remains to be seen...
I think I might have found a workaround for this issue.
1st... I have increased the Icon Cache.
2nd... I switched off the TouchFlow 3D today plugin
3rd... I did a soft reset
Now the icons are displayed correctly and are cashed correctly.
4th... I switched the TouchFlow 3D today plugin on
The cashed icons remain nice now and will not turn black again, because the are cashed.
To increase the Icon Cache, use a registry editor and change
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE]
"limit"=dword:00020000
Note: The dword 00020000 is hexadecimal which is equivalent to dword 131702 decimal.
First impression, EXTREMELY bad fingerprint magnet. I was expecting it to be like D810's fingerprint problem, but its much muh worse. However, the back cover seems to be a different kinda plastic glossy coating than D810, so i expect no peeling problems here.
Start up screen, after it install all necessary sys cabs, there's actually a short demo (video) on how to use the Touch interface. The old Touch didnt have that, justin writing in a manual..
The glass screen feels....like got some static attraction, so its totally not fun to scroll around with the finger. Well see how it is after putting on the screen protector
EDITED: Added Screenprotector, Touch feel is now MUCH better. Screenprotector is also of high quality. (thick and solid)
UPDATE on ICONS: Some games i insalled like Hexic and Warcraft 2, the icons in the start menu is totally screwed up, like, can see the shape of the icon, but not wat the icon is. It looks black and has strange lines. But not all games like this. Only some. I'm trying to figure out why. They're all meant for VGA. Hmm
Running the game once and performing a soft reset solves this problem.
UPDATE on TOUCH FLO 3D LAG: I've tried to mess around with Touch FLo 3D, see how much stress it can take. Handling it normally, placing my thumb at the bottom and moving it left to right, selecting what it want, and returning to the home screen, no problem at all. Now as you know besides sliding your thumb around, u can just CLICK it and what you want will appear. Example you're at TODAY screen, i click messages instead of susah go slide from TODAY to MESSAGES. Slight lag occurs when i do this (a tenth of a second? Probably loading time not really a "lag"). Now i tried ABUSING the system = Click on on messages, before messages load, i click Today, click Music, click Programs, click Internet, Click click click click. Basically i'm not letting ANYTHING load, just spamming clicks. A definite lag before what i last clicked finally appears on my screen (about 1- 1.5 seconds). Which is impressive, considering how i abused it like crazy. LOL. I honestly expected it to hang.
UPDATE ON MAPKING 2007: I have just tested it, and Mapking users will be glad to know that it supports the VGA screen on HTC Diamond, and GPS works flawlessly, despite worries that eGPS since its new, may not be recognized by Mapking
UPDATE ON CALL OF DUTY: Works absolutely awesome, NOT using minimal settings, i was able to play pretty well. NOTE: Tytn2 and Touch Cruise was NOT able to play due to heavy lag even with minimal settings. Game was perfectly fine, with except with just a small little, not lag, but looks like the rendering was a bit slow as i looked around, when i used hardkeys and stylus at the same time. NOTE: ALL pdas lag in gaming when using hardkeys and joystick at the same time. However, it was minimal, and call of duty was enjoyable to say the least. SO yes, it DOES have graphic accelerators. Proper benchmarks will be done when i have proper time.
UPDATE. SPB benchmark seems to hang. cant run it. hangs at testing word document.
UPDATE on Touch Flo 3D part 2: Download http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment...42&d=1202399126, thanks to schap, and customize File system cache to 8mb and file system filter cache to 131072. This gives drastic improvements in Touch Flo 3D.
UPDATE ON BATTERY REVIEW : I did this test, based on what a student (like me) would probably use. More sms than calls. Here's a rough estimate.
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE KONKING OUT TOTALLY = approximately 9 hours, give or take
TOTAL SMS-ES = 120
TOTAL TALK TIME = approximately 15-20 mins
TOTAL LIGHT GAMING TIME (Hexic) = 45 mins.
Its actually pretty impressive.
My verdict is that with backlight on "auto adjust" and with the dimlight dimming within seconds after not being used, there is a HUGE amount of power saving from running the VGA screen. Also, it could be possible that with its graphic accelerators, gaming also consumed less power than usual.
My Touch Cruise same amount of usage above lasted 11-12 hours
IMPORTANT UPDATE (regarding black icons): It appears that the cause of our ugly black icons is not our VGA screen, but Touch Flo 3D itself. Looks like its a bit buggy. So we'll have to wait for a proper rom update regarding it (or perhaps someone can come up with a registry fix). Don't believe me? switch off your Touch Flo 3D, and soft reset your PDA. All icons should turn back to normal. Also, with Touch Flo 3D off, you can expect better battery life, as well as a significant increase in speed for your pda.
UPDATE HTC Touch FLO 3D, another bug: There appears to be memory leak issues with Touch Flo 3D. The longer u use the less ram u'll appear to have. Will have to wait for rom update to fix all these bugs
My Blog : http://heretical-rantings.blogspot.com/2008/06/htc-touch-diamond-user-review.html
IMPORTANT UPDATE (bluetooth stack problem): It appears that after using Bluetooth A2dp, your pda will have "vibration non stop" as well as phone totally mute problems. This is reported by other members in XDA. I'll run a check up on the latest 1.37 rom and see if this is fixed, as well as other issues. Stay tuned.
UPDATE ON ROM 1.37.707.1
Rom 1.37.707.1
BLACK ICONS PROBLEM: Unresolved <------- WTF MAN HTC!!
Bluetooth stack/mute problem : Pending testing
Memory Leak Issues: APPEARS SOLVED (doesnt go above 57% here, last time 70+%)
random problem where sms tone does not ring, but only rings when u wake up your phone, despite receiving it long before SOLVED. But device is still set not to wake up at incoming sms by default.
gimme 24 hours to test bluetooth stack/ sudden mute problem and memory leak issues
kudos on one of the few informative posts i have read on this new forum for touch diamond...
Nice summary.
Few questions.
1. COD - Can you please post your control settings here?
2. Do you know the actual registry change for changing the file system cache to 8mb and file system filter cache to 131072. I like to do this via registry. I couldnt find this info...
Thanks.
K
Nice summary Baronic, at least when i get my Diamond ill know what to look out for. Saying that, it could be that the UK spec Diamonds have been delayed because of these problems??. LAst i heard was that they were being held back because HTC wanted to apply a software update or something like that before they were released into the UK. Unless they are trying to stop us from hacking the phone ie cooked roms etc. I hope not or else i will be extremely angry as to why they would do such a thing.
@boinger, you're welcome
@Kraft, in COD there's a box to tick "low settings". I'm playing it with it unticked thats all. No other settings.
For reg edits, check http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398265
@Spawn, I've no idea about UK sets, as i'm from Malaysia. However, here, we've just had a rom update yesterday, and i'll be flashing it tomorrow, and see if the main problem: Black icon and memory leak, has been solved.
I'll be updating my Blog, as well as here probably once i flash the new rom. I'll have to come up with a summary on the roms as well soon, which roms have the Touch Flo 3D problems. My blog is in my signature
Baronic;2307799
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398265[/url]
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I was asking about control settings... What keys do u use... I find it hard to play without the keyboard ...
Also I am aware about the tweeking thread.
1. Boost TFL3D Performance --> Using Advanced Config, change File system cache to 8mb and file system filter cache to 131072
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I asked if you know the actual reg. change ...
K
I use:
Top left aim, top right stance, btm left swap weapon, btm right reload.
volume down key, "use"
Volume up key, pause, i would change stance button to grenade if i see fit.
actual reg edit? nope, i didnt bother to really explore and find out
I use:
Top left aim, top right stance, btm left swap weapon, btm right reload.
volume down key, "use"
Volume up key, pause, i would change stance button to grenade if i see fit.
actual reg edit? nope, i didnt bother to really explore and find out
Baronic said:
@boinger, you're welcome
@Spawn, I've no idea about UK sets, as i'm from Malaysia. However, here, we've just had a rom update yesterday, and i'll be flashing it tomorrow, and see if the main problem: Black icon and memory leak, has been solved.
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You already have a ROM update, did you find that on the HTC website in the HTC e-club? I just checked out the Hong KONG HTC region site and it has no ROM updates.
A question: doesn't the screen protector blur the display and therefore ruin the hi res of the device?
@save ferris, no, HTC doesnt seem to have the rom update, i'm going directly to the distributer for the rom update. though owners who bought their Touch DIamond today/yesterday would already have that update.
@pedmomd, no it doesnt blur the screen at all. its a clear screen protector
IMPORTANT UPDATE (bluetooth stack problem): It appears that after using Bluetooth A2dp, your pda will have "vibration non stop" as well as phone totally mute problems. This is reported by other members in XDA. I'll run a check up on the latest 1.37 rom and see if this is fixed, as well as other issues. Stay tuned.
Rom 1.37.707.1
BLACK ICONS PROBLEM: Unresolved <------- WTF MAN HTC!!
Bluetooth stack/mute problem : Pending testing
Memory Leak Issues: Pending testing
random problem where sms tone does not ring, but only rings when u wake up your phone, despite receiving it long before SOLVED. But device is still set not to wake up at incoming sms by default.
Baronic said:
BLACK ICONS PROBLEM: Unresolved <------- WTF MAN HTC!!
Bluetooth stack/mute problem : Pending testing
Memory Leak Issues: Pending testing
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agree on the mute phone after using the bluetooth
pedmond said:
A question: doesn't the screen protector blur the display and therefore ruin the hi res of the device?
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No. Its quite ok actualy...
But makes the Touchflow3D unusable for me... So I removed it....
K
keevy17 said:
agree on the mute phone after using the bluetooth
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maybe i did not understand the problem....but:
1. i put some music to play with my coreplayer and bt headphones.
2. after a few minutes i asked my little girl to call me from my home phone. the music stopped, i pushed the headphones button and was able to have a conversation.
3. hanged-up the call and the music start playing again.
4. repeated twice. everything OK!
is this the right experiment for your problem???
kukiriku, u must use HTC Player only to duplicate the problem
Can we have a dump of that latest rom plz ?
Baronic said:
Rom 1.37.707.1
BLACK ICONS PROBLEM: Unresolved <------- WTF MAN HTC!!
Bluetooth stack/mute problem : Pending testing
Memory Leak Issues: Pending testing
random problem where sms tone does not ring, but only rings when u wake up your phone, despite receiving it long before SOLVED. But device is still set not to wake up at incoming sms by default.
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Baronic said:
kukiriku, u must use HTC Player only to duplicate the problem
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aaaahaaa...i thought you are blaiming the a2dp....OK, i'll test the htc player.
great post dude..
one more bug is
when using audio booster, after a while/charging or phone call, music played would be bassless.
Ways to fix it is to plug the headset in, disable audio booster, unplug and replug in the headset.
So i backed up all the files in windows startup. Some i knew what they were and some i had no idea like:
-autoshortcut
-htcstartup
-poutlook.
The rest i knew like s2u2 etc..
So i erased them all and restarted kicks a** diamond. Shaves 3 seconds of boot up before i erased. Ver Nice.
And the best part of it all is that the memory shows a solid 60%.
If any of you noticed i belive 60% is the magic number, when the diamond runs on 60% it just feels powerful and quick.
Greetings boys. Hope it helps. Disable all your startups.
So you disabled even TF 3D?
pokevitek said:
So you disabled even TF 3D?
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That should improve startup time by quite a bit
No Touch flow is still there I mean it still boots on start.
I like touch flow.
After doing it only 1 % more memory free. Suspect this 1 % is not even for the erase but due to the soft reseting.
So no big improvement at all?
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So no big improvement at all?
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Trust me there is an improvement if your startup file is empty. You shall feel it.
Sergio PC said:
So i backed up all the files in windows startup. Some i knew what they were and some i had no idea like:
-autoshortcut
-htcstartup
-poutlook.
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I have these in my startup also and noticed them the other day when perusing. However, I would really like to know what they do before disabling (i.e. moving) them. Will I lose some of the device functionality when doing this?
I don't use TF3D by the way but do rely on email which is received via Synchrologic from Notes - obviously, poutlook seems suspiciously like an email "thing").
Regards,
Gary.
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I have these in my startup also and noticed them the other day when perusing. However, I would really like to know what they do before disabling (i.e. moving) them. Will I lose some of the device functionality when doing this?
I don't use TF3D by the way but do rely on email which is received via Synchrologic from Notes - obviously, poutlook seems suspiciously like an email "thing").
Regards,
Gary.
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Yep i think U right just save them and experiment.
Luck dude!
Hi, I am just thinking, old HTC Universal (VGA), has smoother icon redraw than brand new HTC Diamond. So, where is the problem? WM 6.1 are not slower than WM 5.0, both devices has VGA screen. Universal should not be faster, since Diamond CPU has same frequency but is brand new.
You're right, your thought is really random... Which icons, where, when, how? Is there a video comparing the two? How do you expect us to understand what your problem is without giving any info?
Ever heard of Glyph cache?
Oh, first, I am sorry, I should give more info, now I know it, but i thought, that icon redraw speed is just icon redraw speed, no matter where. But if you want it, so: I mean system icons like media player, games folder etc. for example in programs directory, but not just this. Even some icons in some programs, it is like I said - icon redrow speed, anywhere in whole system. And for tnyynt: Yes, i heard about Glyphcache, in fact I have doubled this cache in first week of playing with Diamond.
if you mean redrawing hole screen full of icons you re right...my asus P525 with WM5 was so much faster, slide inside programs menu isnt so smooth as well...I dont understand where is problem because the same situation in settings menu is 100% smooth without problems so why???
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And for tnyynt: Yes, i heard about Glyphcache, in fact I have doubled this cache in first week of playing with Diamond.
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kultus said:
if you mean redrawing hole screen full of icons you re right...my asus P525 with WM5 was so much faster, slide inside programs menu isnt so smooth as well...I dont understand where is problem because the same situation in settings menu is 100% smooth without problems so why???
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Could you check one thing for me? Create the situation when icons appear slow (maybe go to programs folder, you know better where exactly you are experiencing this). let the page fully load, scroll down so that all icons load, then close the folder and then reopen it. If this second time it is instant, then it's a glyph cache issue => needs higher value.
I understand you and its better i know it but as redrawing is better I never obtain smooth slideing as in settings folder and glyphcache is set to recommended 32kb... but I want to know why this never ever happened in settings menu...with using device memory is fulling that is normal for windows but performance isnt so better as should be so I think is the matter of bad written OS in this case...
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I understand you and its better i know it but as redrawing is better I never obtain smooth slideing as in settings folder and glyphcache is set to recommended 32kb... but I want to know why this never ever happened in settings menu...with using device memory is fulling that is normal for windows but performance isnt so better as should be so I think is the matter of bad written OS in this case...
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If it makes you feel better, settings scrolling is better than program scrolling on my other devices too (Elf, Polaris, Trinity). It must be an OS issue.
What I did to overcome this was to restructure my programs into categories and set 4 icons/row settings, that way I never get the chance to scroll, and they appear instantly, so no icon lag.
im not sure if anyone of you have this question in mind but i was wondering : the cooked roms are extremely fast already but if i add in the advanced config cache tweaks, what would happen? would it cause the phone to slow down? if cache tweaks were meant to speed up TF3D but at the same time increase the memory % used, then whats the point? since the higher % of memory used, the slower ur phone is right? im one confused guy. =( im using panoshas 1.7 full btw.
That's weird, I was just wandering the same thing mate! I'm using Swift bl v.6 though...
jeromenism said:
im not sure if anyone of you have this question in mind but i was wondering : the cooked roms are extremely fast already but if i add in the advanced config cache tweaks, what would happen? would it cause the phone to slow down? if cache tweaks were meant to speed up TF3D but at the same time increase the memory % used, then whats the point? since the higher % of memory used, the slower ur phone is right? im one confused guy. =( im using panoshas 1.7 full btw.
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I asked Panosha about this... Advance config "WILL" interfere with his performance settings.! If your using his rom then i would not install advance config..! I too is using shine on 1.7 and to be honest A/C does the rom NO justice, I think it runs perfectly without it...!
Shine on 1.7 makes my Diamond *ping*
Why can't he install advanced config? He doesn't necessarily need to mess with performance settings, it has lots of other useful things...
simcarloc said:
Why can't he install advanced config? He doesn't necessarily need to mess with performance settings, it has lots of other useful things...
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But I'm not sure if a/c loads all its reg settings into memory.. If so then all settings surly would be saved even if you don't make any...? As i said i'm not really sure on this so I'm asking about myself.. if you don get info please do lets us know...!
Well, as i'm using Swift, I don't need to worry as it came with advanced config anyway. I have not messed about with much though - I have only turned on all power management settings and stopped the delay when I hang-up a call.
Interesting thread actually.
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Well, as i'm using Swift, I don't need to worry as it came with advanced config anyway. I have not messed about with much though - I have only turned on all power management settings and stopped the delay when I hang-up a call.
Interesting thread actually.
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I guess when a chief incorporates a/c into their roms then they are taking this issue into account...!
The one thing i have noticed with Advance config is no matter what cooked rom I'm using, when launching a/c for the first time it always has defaults settings, so if a cheif has made performance settings to their roms then why don't a/c show them... this why I'm holding back from using it till i get a full picture.
P.s Totally interesting...!
fyew-jit-tiv said:
I guess when a chief incorporates a/c into their roms then they are taking this issue into account...!
The one thing i have noticed with Advance config is no matter what cooked rom I'm using, when launching a/c for the first time it always has defaults settings, so if a cheif has made performance settings to their roms then why don't a/c show them... this why I'm holding back from using it till i get a full picture.
P.s Totally interesting...!
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actually i disagree with you there. i have noticed on different ROMS that the initial settings shown on A/C are in fact different which can only mean that the ROM tweaks are over riding the A/C setings, thats is until you adjust it & do a soft reset.
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actually i disagree with you there. i have noticed on different ROMS that the initial settings shown on A/C are in fact different which can only mean that the ROM tweaks are over riding the A/C setings, thats is until you adjust it & do a soft reset.
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Confused.... When i have installed Roms and used a/c to check its all ways been default settings...! more research needed...!
thats why im afraid that A/C or TF3D Config or stuff like that would interfere with the rom! damn it, i thought that 1.7 was slow but actually its due to advanced config.. haha looks like im going to flash back!
yea actually i do realise that a/c's settings are always set to default..
i thought when A/C 1st starts it reads all the appropriate registry entrys and marks them as the default value!
hey guys...
.. anyone got an answer to this questions until now?
would also be interested...
my feelings tell me, a/c does change the existing configs...
but i'm not really sure..