Hi all,
first of all, many thanks to all of you that contribute to this board. Amazing stuff, thank you.
I'm in the market for a new handset and have been attracted to the Tytn II, Vario III or whatever you want to call it, for a few weeks now. I currently own a Windows Mobile 6 smartphone (HTC S620) and am looking to get back to owning a pocket PC phone.
My question is this...
Should I splash out and get a Vario III (T-Mobile) now or wait for the next device in the Tytn / Vario series?
I realise that to wait for the 'next best thing' I'll be waiting forever, but does anybody know when the new Tytn III will be available? If not for another year or so, then I will purchase the Tytn II now, but if the next device in the series will be coming in the next few months (first half of next year), then perhaps I should wait.
Any advice you can give me will be very much appreciated.
Thanks to all,
Munkee
Since the Vario 3 only came out in september/october time, I'm guessing that any replacement would be at least a year away.
I just couldn't imagine a tytn 3/Vario 4 being released in the next few months.
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Since the Vario 3 only came out in september/october time, I'm guessing that any replacement would be at least a year away.
I just couldn't imagine a tytn 3/Vario 4 being released in the next few months.
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They've been releasing a new version every year around the same time (to get the Christmas/etc sales). My guess, TyTn 3 / Vario 4 will be around Sept/Oct '08.
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They've been releasing a new version every year around the same time (to get the Christmas/etc sales). My guess, TyTn 3 / Vario 4 will be around Sept/Oct '08.
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Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.
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Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.
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Aside from the poor drivers, the tytn 2 is still a great phone. plus, there are tons of people here working on fixing the disabled drivers. In the next month or two, I see a fix for it and everyone will be praising XDA and their tytn 2's
Get it now....upgrade later! Like everyone already posted here, TyTN II and the variants just came out, so, any newer version is quite a wait!
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Aside from the poor drivers, the tytn 2 is still a great phone. plus, there are tons of people here working on fixing the disabled drivers. In the next month or two, I see a fix for it and everyone will be praising XDA and their tytn 2's
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Yes, it is a great phone, "specification wise", just let down by shoddy/non-existant drivers, and lack of support by HTC
It is hoped we can get a driver work around, however how usable that is might be supject to Intellectual Property issues.
HTC can fix something (witness the Hotfix for Bluetooth), I just hope they are reading this forum and witnessing the bad-feeling the issue of decent Video and Camera drivers is causing
Ahh hell I'll jump in, if you wait, it will be at least 9 months. When I got my 8525 about this time last year, there was a picture of the Kaiser floating on the web as the next generation. It took 9 months to come out and even with all the whining and wenging here, I can easily say that the Kaiser, which I bought the minute I could get one, is really a solid performer.
I use Slingbox streaming video with great performance
TCPMP (and soon Core 1.2) for Divx Movie Videos with great performance. I've always encoded portable video at 320x240 and it plays and looks great.
Integrated GPS and a good nav package (I like iGuidance v4) with spoken TTS street names is simply a killer app for a phone.
Streaming radio stations, youtube, Google maps, Live Search, all of it works great.
Tweaked drivers will be good to see, but for now I find everything working just well enough to allow me to use all features without any frustration.
With the great support on this forum this good product becomes a great product that gets better every week, till TyTN III comes along and we start again...
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With the great support on this forum this good product becomes a great product that gets better every week, till TyTN III comes along and we start again...
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I have to agree on that.
On the missing video drivers: I don’t use camera or watch video with the Kaiser, so that doesnt bother me on the daily use.
Even though releasing a device without proper drivers is unforgivable!!!
Imagine BMW putting a new car on sale with buyers realising the 3rd gear is missing and BMW would just go; oh yes, we will try to put it in, in your 30 000 km tune-up.
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Imagine BMW putting a new car on sale with buyers realising the 3rd gear is missing and BMW would just go; oh yes, we will try to put it in, in your 30 000 km tune-up.
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Heh, the online video game industry has been developing products that way for years. Come to think of it, it's also how Harley-Davidson sells 90% of the chrome on their bikes.
lol wif the BMW thing. its actually funny... =D
TyTN III ?
Model Names : HTC Diamond (NM8DIAM100) ???
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Only if you're mad will you contemplate a HTC product
Read some of the threads here about video performance
When you compare the video/camera to other phones, you'll find it poor. It's even poor compared to the model it's replacing
For video/camera, the LG Viewty kicks the Tytn II's pants.
Look at what you really want in a phone, then if it's a WM phone, read these forums.
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Sorry I read this and from what I an see it basically came from someone who haes windows devices and the only thiing they can do is slag them off.
I run a tytnII and it is brilliant, it has so much built into it that nothing can come close for useability, upgradeability, flexibility etc.
Sure go out and buy an N95 ar a viewty but then be stuck with bugs in noka software, poor slide quality on the n95 and then be limited with what little applications that aren't available to run with the symbain OS.
As for the viewty well you are obviously not in the right market for commenting on a smartphone/windows mobile handset.
Tom
I've been using PDA's since the days of the Psion Organiser (around 1988) and I have to say that my Tytn II is without doubt the best device I've ever owned.
I've had it since October and I still can't fault it for what I use it for.
I know about the video driver issue, but I can't say it really bothers me - yes I'd like it fixed, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying my PDA.
For background - I normally enjoy a device for about 2 months and then get the urge to change to a different one. This hasn't happened yet with the Tytn II. I can't imagine being without it. It may not be perfect, but it's pretty damned close!
Something I would add is that the TyTN II is a device that can do a lot but surely if you wanted to watch a video you would use a TV??
The device is a PDA therefore to me that means the following:
Email
Internet
Calendar
Contacts
Tasks
For keeping track of things you want to track most and being able to be mobile with your email and internet when and if you need it.
Plus having a phone as well.
a fellow Psion user
stooby said:
I've been using PDA's since the days of the Psion Organiser (around 1988) and I have to say that my Tytn II is without doubt the best device I've ever owned. . .
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Woohoo! Yay for the good old Psions - I had a Psion 3C and then a Revo - wonderful pocket organizers - especially liked the keyboard on the Revo - all in all the best little PDA at the time IMHO.
The logical evolution of that is the Nokia Communicator series - I seriously considered getting one of them before I got my Wizard - but decided that the customizable nature of the Windows Mobile platform was the way to go, for me.
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Sorry I read this and from what I an see it basically came from someone who haes windows devices and the only thiing they can do is slag them off.
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I've had a WM5/6 for over 3 years, and am disppointed the Tytn II is so poor at video & camer (even the Wizard, which is 3+ years old has better performance)
I run a tytnII and it is brilliant, it has so much built into it that nothing can come close for useability, upgradeability, flexibility etc.
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Performance at what ? if you go compare start up times of apps like contacts, video, sound etc, on other phones (eg Viewty, N95) they are often faster than the Tytn
As I stated in my post, you need to examine what you want in a phone
The Tytn II has lots of good things, unfortunately HTC's shotcuts and cost cutting have meant it's sub-optimal.
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I've had a WM5/6 for over 3 years, and am disppointed the Tytn II is so poor at video & camer (even the Wizard, which is 3+ years old has better performance)
Performance at what ? if you go compare start up times of apps like contacts, video, sound etc, on other phones (eg Viewty, N95) they are often faster than the Tytn
As I stated in my post, you need to examine what you want in a phone
The Tytn II has lots of good things, unfortunately HTC's shotcuts and cost cutting have meant it's sub-optimal.
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I have a TyTn One and loved the features but under WM5 almost any external programs I installed made it less stable. After Roming to WM6 the experience is much better - I use the T-mobile offical rom with a mixture of HTC plugins and external apps which makes it almost perfect - and it crashes perhaps once a month compared to several times a week.
I am looking to upgrade too but am not sure what to. Kaiser has GPS which I will like as a toy, and more RAM (don't care about ROM as have gigs of external) - RAM I care about as after loading the TYTN with apps I run at about 85% memory. I can see the Kaiser will solve these but otherwise the experience will be the same as TYTN with WM6. Is there anything else I should be considering?
What else on the market compares to these? If you are willing to criticise the TYTN2 then say what is better and why? My upgrade comes up in month and unless I see something radical I am in for more of the same (albeit slightly better).
the kaiser is a powerful device, and got alot under its skin, unforunatly its creators didnt give it the proper software/drivers etc
but its still a remarkable device, with amazing specs, we just need to fix what htc couldnt/wouldnt do...just as we do with windows, we mod it, fix it, makes it smoother and better
I had my herald, p4350, for aprox a year, it has been a great device, and still is.
When I got it, it had stock rom, to me it was a great device, and then I started to work on it...slowly I have learned to understand it. Now with my latest rom on my herald, with netcf 3.5 and my tweaks and all, my herald feels faster and responds way better then my tytn2. That really puzzels me, because my tytn2 has surperior hardware specs. But Im pretty sure that with the help of the amazing crew here on xda, the kasier will become the flagship it is ment to be.
cheers
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Yes, it is a great phone, "specification wise", just let down by shoddy/non-existant drivers, and lack of support by HTC
It is hoped we can get a driver work around, however how usable that is might be supject to Intellectual Property issues.
HTC can fix something (witness the Hotfix for Bluetooth), I just hope they are reading this forum and witnessing the bad-feeling the issue of decent Video and Camera drivers is causing
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Actually, YOU'RE the mad one if you think the Tilt is a terrible phone for everyone on the planet. I don't watch videos on my phone, i don't ride in busses or do other things where i'm sitting for a long time, and if i have a few minutes i browse the web with IE or opera (some sites are better in one or the other.. IE gets a bad wrap, but almost every blog i read has a mobile version that works great in IE, but not so well in opera).
And everyone *****es about the video drivers, but it's not that bad... my friend had a full episode of Top Gear that was 640 x 352 that he couldn't play on his 8525, but it played great on my phone. I know people have issues, but it's not terrible, and calling someone mad without even knowing what they would want is just ignorant.
I love my Tilt and i'd recommend it to anyone who knows what getting into windows mobile means (because WinMo is the big problem). Besides, it's already been confirmed that Google has an Android kernel for our processors, so once it all comes out, we can put android on the Tilt, making it an awesome phone!
-Taylor
Hi all,
I am seriously considering getting one of these after they showed up in a shop here last week. I spent about ten minutes playing with it and was mightily impressed with the TF3D interace and the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt). One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal? I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
Anyway, to make a long post short, does anyone have any issues wtih speed on thier diamond? Anyone using anything other than a stock ROM at the moment? Thanks!
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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Have You changed your ROM, or is it the stock ROM?
currently using a cooked rom from the Dutty and Tom Project team diamond V2. With the TF3D in that is very fast, but that is due to the loss of some animation. such as side to side sweeping,
but that is something which i can live with.
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(1) ... the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt).
(2) One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal?
(3) I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
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I am still with Hermes, but couple of weeks ago went with a friend to get for him Diamond (from ZGC )
This gave me the opportunity to play with original (English) Rom and Chinese one too. Diamond experience ~4+ hours
(1) I felt the same :
(2/3) No, it is not a problem of the "crummy ROM". Diamond performs very slow compared to my Hermes (customized ROM + modifications). My friend runs origianl ROM and is very jealeous about the responsivness and speed of old TyTN
(3) Yes, after I got the TyTN that was the reason to find XDA-Devs too
- My feeling is the interface on Diamond is tooo heavy, which causes raely slow performance. For me personally this device makes sense after getting some clean rom on it. Well, in case getting the device more on "cool factor" side, I think it is coool - but for working device I still preffer what I have now
(perosnaly prefer to wait for Raphael and X1, and then will make my mind about changing device)
As stated, Dutty's ROM shows significant improvements to the performance/speed/stability/touch-sensitivity of the Diamond. I had quite a few complaints myself, about the poor performance of the Diamond as it was OOTB - but I knew that there most likely would be when I bought the phone.. however, i ALSO knew that there were chefs and cooks in these forums who always impress us with their mad-ass skills in creating the best ROMs in terms of performance 'n prettiness. All hail the Diamond chefs and cooks! You've seriously gotten me falling in love with my Diamond even more.
it Flies
JeeHaa said:
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
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I am also using the Panosha Clean ROM and Mobile Shell 2.1 and the phone absolutely flies, it leaves my Cruise for dead. For me this is the fastest Wm6 phone I have ever owned and I have owned a heap of them.
THanks to everyone for all the responses, it's interesting that the TF3D seems to cause performance issues for a lot of people. That also dissapoints me a but as I was thinking of holding out for the touch-pro, but by checking pdadb.net I see that they will have the same processor so can probably expect similar performance issues....is that correct?
Also, I wasn't knocking all Chinese ROM's, there are some awesome ones out there and I have used several for my hermes, I was knocking the crummy ones the guy at my local shop seems to dig up.
Anyway I guess the thing to do is wait for the deelopers here to come up with a fast ROM for these devices that doesn't sacrifice TF3D. I am sure they will figure it out and I wil absolutely DONATE, as should everyone who keeps a ROM on thier phone for more than a few days. THe fact is that our devices would suck without the work of people in the community and we should give something back to those who put down hard-earned money to be the first to buy these phones and then spend the time to make them work for the rest of us. Just my 2 cents....
Do which drivers are better? The drivers released from http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080819_1
Or the Samsung Omnia drivers from here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416474
Or are they the same? I'm a confused.
Try each one and see which one works best for you.
I thought i might hear about experiences with battery life, anecdotal evidence of better performance with one or the other, maybe a tale of woe with one of them. But no. I get "Try each one and see which you like best!" Yea! Sunshine, unicorns and lollipops fly in the sky and heal sick children! Weeeee! Am i supposed to blinded by your comic sans font that i'm not sickened by that?
I wouldn't have posted asking about them if i tried each one now would i? No. Instead i wanted to try and save a little time and maybe connect with our community. Talk about differences between the two. If there are any. And not to mention my own motives of avoiding my own possible incompetence or bad fortune.
I can understand saying that about a ROM, but not a driver. Sorry.
don't get all pissed off dude, it takes time for people to read the thread and give ya an answer
Yea i don't know what came over me. I went ahead and tried em both. Seems the ones from Class Action Org slow things up.
first off eithe driver nothing to do with battery life'''that kindavstuff is determined by radios and roms..so mepersonally i use the omnia drivers because all the tests work even t
e text3d one..where as with htc driver it wouldnt werk at all wit out the ad2tii.dll that needed to be placed in the htc ca folder...and even with that the text3d didnt work for diddly...but the other tests worked, so for me omnia worked perfectly and i could feel better video quality and resnse with playback. So i strictly use only the omnia drivers now...and theirs been a proven gkbenchmark on one of these threads about both drivers that the omnia one is atleast 20% better or more'''with glbenchmark...so stick with the omnia drivers until htc comes out with a MUCH better update..even there new update from a few days ago was minor and is nothing special....
so thats my two cents, u can research whatever i said on
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So i strictly use only the omnia drivers now...and theirs been a proven gkbenchmark on one of these threads about both drivers that the omnia one is atleast 20% better or more'''with glbenchmark...so stick with the omnia drivers until htc comes out with a MUCH better update..even there new update from a few days ago was minor and is nothing special....
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So how does a D3D driver help speed up OpenGL benchmarks? If you're talking about the unrelated Herg ogl driver (which Herg himself can't identify where it came from), it doesn't even run GLBenchmark when I tried and I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. I'm still not sure where you'll pulling this "better GLBenchmark" metric from.
For the topic, install Omnia after HTC-CA drivers and get the best of both. Omnia has better D3D, but HTC-CA is the only one that runs OpenGL, and in hardware too, and includes most of the OpenGL-ES 1.1 extensions that are missing with the herg ogl driver. Triangle.exe isn't a OGL benchmark -- only GLBenchmark is.
It's really a wash since no daily-use app uses either API yet.
Hello guys,
I've recently purchased some games directly from the gameloft shop, only to find they run execrably slow.
This got me very annoyed so i naturally tried other games, for testing's sake, with the same results.
Now i've tried this with different ROMs, NRG's latest WM6.5 as well as Natf's 6.1.
And yes, i did apply the Ace game fix on WM6.5
What i really want to know is, am i the only one that encounters these problems? Is there a fix for this?
Built in games like Teeter work flawlessly but any other java or cab game is
It seems just wrong that on my previous Sony Ericsson phones mostly any game would run so fluent, and on my Touch Pro with ram, 500+ CPU and so on it runs like crap, mind the expression.
It sounds like you, don't know how the problem could persist over multiple roms though...
It is strange indeed, not to mention annoying.
I have heard that there are driver packs.
So far i've found a version of the ATI driver linked by a member, the same on i'm attaching in this post, for veridicity's sake.
Could anyone please direct me to any other recommended drivers for my Raph?
Thanks in advance.
I think it has to do with the GPU. The games may not take advantage of it, and rely on the CPU. I also downloaded a game from ATT "Peggle" which I really like, but runs at 20fps or less, very annoying also. I have not found a fix yet, and I'm not sure there will ever be. I've tried the game on a TP2 and same thing.
I'm just waiting for the HD2 to come to the US, and I doubt I will have any problems with the game on that device
Well, guess i can let this die, i've read around and noticed it's a general issue, due to the Qualcomm chip and stuff.
Decided to sell away this piece of junk. GG HTC for awesome support! :|
Hey all!
I just got a new kaiser, currently am using a clean 6.5 rom.
I've been searching the internet for the past few days because my phone runs programs slowly, the scrolling is laggy (compared to my asus p535 witch is 3 years old). I found out that it has some drivers missing for it to run smoothly, but all the info i found is like two years old like 2008 may or so... I found that 3d drivers are available but the 2d are not yet fixed. Since this information is 2 years old i thought maybe someone can update me slightly? are the drivers fixed now? or will i never have the opportunity to enjoy my new device as a powerfull pocket pc?
Thanks in advance.
or will i never have the opportunity to enjoy my new device as a powerfull pocket pc?
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There is a reason there is no updates to be found.
what do you mean?
lol
I mean that there isn't any sort of post about it because there is nothing to post about. I quoted the answer from your post that applies to what you want to know.
The new roms have the lastest and greatest of things mixed in. The phone is going to run slow foreeeeevvvvvveerrrrrrr.....
i cant believe it, i just got a new phone and wow, it sucks...
The phone is 3 years old, not new by any standard.
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i cant believe it, i just got a new phone and wow, it sucks...
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No award982, your phone does not sucks!
First the reason for your mobile programs run slowly does not mean that you are needing to change the drivers!
I have a Kaiser and it works very fast! In my experiences with several different versions of ROM, Windows Mobile 6.5 always ran slower than the 6.1!
I do not recommend trying to install any drive other than that already comes in its ROM. You have to find a ROM that works perfectly as you want!
I can recommend you 2 ROM for Kaiser: ( this is what I liked )
WinMo 6.1 (I use this)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545821
WinMo 6.5 (the best 6.5 we've tested)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543276
And remember to use HardSPL and Radio recommended by the chef!
thanks, i feel better now
I am also thinking, maybe android fixes the problem?
And mine doesn't run that slow, its just the bug with the touchscreen is that i cant stand...
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thanks, i feel better now
I am also thinking, maybe android fixes the problem?
And mine doesn't run that slow, its just the bug with the touchscreen is that i cant stand...
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You can find a lot of stuff that can help with touchscreen sensitivity and smoother scrolling, just search for it. Try Advanced configuration tool and KaiserTweaks, they got lots of useful tweaks. Dont give up, Kaiser is a great phone, when you set it by your taste, you~ll see!