Related
OK, rather than hijack a thread, this is what I posted last night in the class action thread:
Steve-C said:
What he said...but I am a little under the influence right now. To be honest, my phone works for GPS, works for email, works for web browsing, sync's via activesync, plays movies just fine (no slider issues when adjusting sound), allows me to read ebooks, works with office mobile (though I would like to be able to save Word documents as .DOC files, not .DOCX). Guess I'm with the 99% because I really don't see any issues with the phone that cause me to get on a soapbox. I really don't care if this makes me unpopular, but I'm so sick of people coming on this forum and moaning about video driver issues. Show me one other device that does all the things that a Kaiser can do? iPhone, no GPS and limited open source unless you want to run the risk of bricking the device, Nokia? Please, I had the 9xxx series of communicators for years. I had the choice between the latest comunicator series or the Kaiser, I went with the Kaiser as Symbian sucked. The N95, QWERTY keyboard???
This phone is not designed as a graphics device, its a business tool. If you want DVD quality movies, buy a portable DVD player, graphic intensive games, get a PSP. I have a Nokia 2110 mobile from 10 years ago that can't handle MID files, a Garmin Sat-Nav the size of a house brick and a digital camera that uses 3.5" floppy discs cause memory cards hadn't been invented when it was launched. HTC have packed an MP3 player, sat-nav, laptop computer, digital camera, mobile phone (...the list goes on) inside a device the size of a packet of cigarettes. Personally I think this is amazing, lets give them a bit of credit for doing this!
[/drunk rant off...]
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
These were the responses:
forcedalias said:
So, are you saying that just because it's business-oriented, its camera should continue to suffer from video driver issues? That it should be slower to process anything with some graphics in it, business-related, entertainment or otherwise?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
omikr0n said:
GPS, email, office - fine.
Web browsing - not at all - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbaDLzOU_Y
Syncing - fine, except mine disconnects randomly when connected via bluetooth
Movies - I haven't seen a single movie playing fluently on TyTN II
Is this really acceptable for you? Especially for such expensive device? I paid nearly $1000 for device that my 5 (!) year old iPaq h2210 can easily outperform at ANYTHING?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've never understood the driver issues, as I haven't witnessed them. Looking at the YouTube video posted, that is very worrying, but I would like to know how were such poor results achieved?
This is my Kaiser (running the stock o2 ROM). Firstly it shows a video being played on my laptop, second the same section of the same video on my Kaiser. Then a web page in PIE, followed by a bit of surfing on Opera. From my video, it seems to perform just fine. So am I just really lucky, or am I missing something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrHwG6xpc-E
Nope I get the same results.
Well, i dont have big issues with movies.
However, i notice a lot of "lag" effects sometimes when scrolling. Of course installed the scrolling fix for IE, which makes it far better, but still, there is interface lag.
This lag is easily noticeable when you try to close an app and need to point your stylus like 3 or 4 times on the top right X before anything appears.
Also noticeable when you scroll in the "programs" window , interface lag, the scrolling is bad, really... The icons in the programs windows look like they disappear (this part of the screen becomes totally blank/white) then half-reappear then disappear etc... It is UGLY. When scrolling in program window, what should be SEEN would be real scrolling icons, fluid and all ! It should be nice, fluid, and shouldnt look like the screen refresh is 1 frame / second.
With such a processor and the included ATI thingy i would have thought of a faster interface avoiding such lag tbh.
The Stargate video that you're showing on your tilt in your video, did you conver that first?
If not, I'd like to know the stats on the video. Whats the resolution, file size, etc.
I've copied music videos to my phone and they play like crap. I had to spend $30 on conversion software and wait for the media to be converted down before I was able to watch anything.
Stargate Atlantis episodes that are 350mb take a long time to convert. To me it's a waste of time. I'd rather have a fully functional device with proper video support. Software rendering makes the screen draw slow and makes the device lag.
So, have you copied any video files at all to your phone and had them not play correctly? Or are you saying that every video you've tried has worked fine?
That has NOT been my experience. I have to convert everything to 320x240 at 640 bitrate before my phone will play video smoothly.
There is no need to argue, the phone is capable of doing more, why not just face the fact.. If it can do more, what's the use on arguing "its already good enough??" No its not, the camera is the worse thing ive ever seen.
Dont get me wrong, the phone is great. I love it. The reception is the best ive ever seen.. But we just want them to correct the video driver issue, that is all. Its not harming you... is it? No need to drunk rant ..
Oh and by the way, technology is supposed to improve, the phone is an upgrade. Did it upgrade? No. I see no improvements..
Oh wait!, we got GPS .. I'll give you that.. Even then the GPS takes like 20 minutes to find a satallite. but it is great once its up and running.
I WOULD like to be able to turn on the eye candy and not destroy the usability of my device... even for business purposes
As the video seems to be really low res (QVGA at most) it should work, (we don't know about the bitrate but I'm assuming it's fairly low too).
Most of us who are complaining want a seamless experience. Ie we want to watch the regular videos we want on our computers on our mobile device.
IE scrolling seems nice enough, that seems to differ a bit between ROMs.
I can just share my experience from strart to "finish":
I read up on what device to get. Kaiser was very much hyped at the time. I took the time to read their webpage where they claim that the phone is "more powerful than any other mobile communicator". The same text says that the device is equally good for business and pleasure. It also reccomends using it for gaming:
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm
"More powerful than any mobile communications device you've seen before"
"perfectly for reading and creating e-mails, using applications, or even just playing games."
"Always ready for business - and pleasure"
I also took the time to check out the MSM7200 processor and what that was all about.
Now my primary focus is business. I wanted Office Mobile and a nice contact manager etc. I have no gripes there.
The problem started showing up when I came to the gaming/pleaasure part.
I tried dragging and dropping some TV shows (700kbps 512x384 res) and the playback is prety lousy.
So I went out and bought CorePlayer for 25 bucks. First result was even worse. So then I figured out that I actually had to turn off the standard Windows Mobile rendering interface called DirectDraw. Seemed strange enough as this is THE standard interface for drawing video on a windows mobile device. With a lot of tweaking I got semi acceptable playback in the end.
A day later I started playing around with the camera. It took me about five seconds to realize that it was utterly flawed. Shutter speed (or rather the processing speed) makes the delay from the point where you click the button to where the picture is taken was so slow that none of my pictures came out right.
It's also exceedingly difficult to use the viewfinder seeing as it runs at less than 5 fps and with extreme blur.
Capturing video was also a downer. Instead of the 30 fps @ VGA resolution that the chipset touts I'm getting 10-15 fps and I might add that to me it looks like it's even less than that. Utterly unwatchable.
So ok, video playback and the camera was pretty awful. But as I said I mainly intended to use this for business so I didn't think much more of it.
So I tried surfing a bit on the web. I run a website and I wanted to check my bak account.
What I noticed was that as soon as I visited a "non-Mobile" website everything slowed down. Scrolling takes forever, and also simply rendering the page takes "too" long.
The mobile pages of my service provider works like a charm, but that's a no brainer seeing as they are meant to work on everything from the cheapest 50 dollar phones and up.
Then came the weekend. I was off to some friends that live out in the country. I had to go there by train.
So "hey, great time to load it up with some games".
Some of the games I've heard of was legend of steel and call of duty 2.
Well call of duty 2 was just as mess, with no open gl support.
legend works pretty well unless you actually try to play the game. As soon as the stylus hits that screen everything start going in slow motion.
I resorted to playing bubble breaker and tetris for the trip.
By this time I was pretty annoyed since my 3 year old Sony Ericsson el cheapo 3G-phone gave me a much better gaming experience than this.
So then I resorted to emulators. I really wanted to try out some nice emulating but again, performance was too low.
I didn't expect the TyTN II to be a Playstation Portable challenger but I didn't expect it to be just a typing machine with a calendar attached to it either.
I found this forum and surely enough I found out about the lack of drivers and everything suddenly made sense.
And the thing that bugs me the most about this is that the drivers are readily available to HTC, they just choose not to provide them to us.
So personally I'm a bit pissed off and I surely won't consider HTC a first hand alternative the next time I go shopping for a new PDA phone.
/Scincerele signed "Business users who expected more"
there you go (actually a true story even though a made it cheesy on purpose. )
oh yeah, PS I'm also pretty irritated by the lag that you get when you put the phone in landscape mode or vice versa. And the slight lag that happens when you start programs (you can actually see how the device renders in approx 10-20 lines at a time) it's not a deal breaker but I certainly expected more, especially since I've used similar phones using both pal, symbian and windows mobile and other OSes (even really cheap ones) that don't exhibit the same symptoms.
Still it's only a minor gripe...
The page you shown doesn't prove anything, it is contains for too less content. Try open forum.xda-developers.com you'll see the huge lag...
undac said:
As the video seems to be really low res (QVGA at most) it should work, (we don't know about the bitrate but I'm assuming it's fairly low too).
Most of us who are complaining want a seamless experience. Ie we want to watch the regular videos we want on our computers on our mobile device.
IE scrolling seems nice enough, that seems to differ a bit between ROMs.
I can just share my experience from strart to "finish":
I read up on what device to get. Kaiser was very much hyped at the time. I took the time to read their webpage where they claim that the phone is "more powerful than any other mobile communicator". The same text says that the device is equally good for business and pleasure. It also reccomends using it for gaming:
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm
"More powerful than any mobile communications device you've seen before"
"perfectly for reading and creating e-mails, using applications, or even just playing games."
"Always ready for business - and pleasure"
I also took the time to check out the MSM7200 processor and what that was all about.
Now my primary focus is business. I wanted Office Mobile and a nice contact manager etc. I have no gripes there.
The problem started showing up when I came to the gaming/pleaasure part.
I tried dragging and dropping some TV shows (700kbps 512x384 res) and the playback is prety lousy.
So I went out and bought CorePlayer for 25 bucks. First result was even worse. So then I figured out that I actually had to turn off the standard Windows Mobile rendering interface called DirectDraw. Seemed strange enough as this is THE standard interface for drawing video on a windows mobile device. With a lot of tweaking I got semi acceptable playback in the end.
A day later I started playing around with the camera. It took me about five seconds to realize that it was utterly flawed. Shutter speed (or rather the processing speed) makes the delay from the point where you click the button to where the picture is taken was so slow that none of my pictures came out right.
It's also exceedingly difficult to use the viewfinder seeing as it runs at less than 5 fps and with extreme blur.
Capturing video was also a downer. Instead of the 30 fps @ VGA resolution that the chipset touts I'm getting 10-15 fps and I might add that to me it looks like it's even less than that. Utterly unwatchable.
So ok, video playback and the camera was pretty awful. But as I said I mainly intended to use this for business so I didn't think much more of it.
Then came the weekend. I was off to some friends that live out in the country. I had to go there by train.
So "hey, great time to load it up with some games".
Some of the games I've heard of was legend of steel and call of duty 2.
Well call of duty 2 was just as mess, with no open gl support.
legend works pretty well unless you actually try to play the game. As soon as the stylus hits that screen everything start going in slow motion.
I resorted to playing bubble breaker and tetris for the trip.
By this time I was pretty annoyed since my 3 year old Sony Ericsson el cheapo 3G-phone gave me a much better gaming experience than this.
So then I resorted to emulators. I really wanted to try out some nice emulating but again, performance was too low.
I didn't expect the TyTN II to be a Playstation Portable challenger but I didn't expect it to be just a typing machine with a calendar attached to it either.
I found this forum and surely enough I found out about the lack of drivers and everything suddenly made sense.
And the thing that bugs me the most about this is that the drivers are readily available to HTC, they just choose not to provide them to us.
So personally I'm a bit pissed off and I surely won't consider HTC a first hand alternative the next time I go shopping for a new PDA phone.
/Scincerele signed "Business users who expected more"
there you go (actually a true story even though a made it cheesy on purpose. )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What he said!!! This is why I left sprint. I got the Mogul, was advertised GPS when it came out. Well to this date, they are waiting for a "rom update".
woo, we really don't need to go into this because by token of that same logic:
Your computer is a business tool, not an entertainment device.
Your car is a business tool and necessity. You don't need a cd player or radio.
etc. etc.
Now why is this a big issue? Because it was false advertising. Because what we bought wasn't just a big mac and some fries. And because what we bought wasn't worth $15. What we bought was worth more than $500 US. What we bought was a device that could do everything and more. Like a car, you didn't just buy it for business, but for pleasure. And to falsely advertise and prey on the good faith of us consumers isn't just bad. It's criminal.
The point is, even if you consider that the TyTN II a business phone and don't care about it preforming way below it's possibilities, the other HTC devices based on the MSM7200 and MSM7500 chipsets, like the Touch Dual and Touch Cruise, which suffer from the same problems, are certainly meant for 'fun user', not 'business user'. And their PREDECESSORS did all of this fine.
So everything you said is still BS.
The youtube Video demonstrates the Kaiser PIE Scroll bug issue, not the Video driver issue btw. That bug was fixed here. Most cooked ROMs now incorporate the fix.
Yes this will be corrected on the site (the GDI video is way better for demonstration anyway, too bad it's not a comparison).. and the new support reports will be added. But if you ask me this is just a distraction. They know full well what the problem is, this is just to give the illusion they really didn't know, and are trying to figure it out, so they can say it really wasn't their fault. They're just acting out a play.
Really, the responce changing not 24 hours after the sites were launched (and they were informed of this, after all) and only 2 or 3 hours after a fairly large tech site frontpaged it? That is not a coincidence.
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
Scott_F said:
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
Scott_F said:
I have an ipod touch for entertainment. Kaiser for work/travel. Best of both worlds.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have a Kaiser which has the power to do both. Too bad it doesn't. By the way, since you seem to be such a huge fan of having multiple devices for doing multiple things, you should probably sell that Kaiser to get a flip phone, buy a PDA, get yourself a dedicated GPS receiver, and a Walkman radio, since having an all-in-one would be far too much integration for you.
Nick Collision said:
You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Awesome.
I bout my Tilt for 588 USD, totally ignoring my upgrade date, with the hopes that i would no longer need two devices. Until they fix the issue, making the device into what I thought I was buying, I will continue to be pissed about this.
this phone is not a graphics device? have you ever seen the datasheet of the MSM2700? THAT WAS THE REASON FOR I GOT MY KAISER!! (and the keyboard)
Nick Collision said:
You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just because he has something made by Apple, doesn't mean it's time to talk ****. I personally don't like apple, but they have created some innovative features for the smart phone world.
Nick Collision said:
You are an idiot with way too much money and time to spend on two inferior products.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You dont need to insult people because they have different opinion on something.
what do u guys think about these two phones whos better? or whats better?
imho it all comes down to what 3th party programs one want
tilt, if only the video drivers were included.
They're fully incomparable.
1. If you need MUCH better audio / quality (!) A2DP / video / MUCH better camera / MUCH better, 3D accelerated gaming / being lightweight (!!!), get the Nokia. It's way better in these respects.
2. If you DO know you MUST have Windows Mobile and don't want to play / the low-quality A2DP and the considerably higher weight isn't a problem (that is, you're looking for a "strictly" business machine with almost non-existing entertainment capabilities), get the Kaiser.
BTW, there is another, relate dthread of the same subject in this forum; use the forum search engine.
*pops his head round the corner*
My Kaiser provides me with more than enough entertainment, I watch films, listen to music through my bluetooth headphones, and browse the net. It also has the "wow" factor compared to other phones/Pda's (even if features of it don't run as well as other phones/pda's)
*runs off quickly*
Audio said:
*pops his head round the corner*
My Kaiser provides me with more than enough entertainment, I watch films, listen to music through my bluetooth headphones, and browse the net. It also has the "wow" factor compared to other phones/Pda's (even if features of it don't run as well as other phones/pda's)
*runs off quickly*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
but at what quality
Rudegar said:
imho it all comes down to what 3th party programs one want
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i dont get that because every software nokia n85 has i see tilt with it a matter a fact i see nokia with more.
Audio said:
listen to music through my bluetooth headphones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ever compared the A2DP quality of the MS BT stack to that of the competition? ;-)
It also has the "wow" factor compared to other phones/Pda's (even if features of it don't run as well as other phones/pda's)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So has the N95 ;-)
hv_thugg said:
i dont get that because every software nokia n85 has i see tilt with it a matter a fact i see nokia with more.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
List here what exactly you want to do and I tell you which of the two you should get. It's mostly about entertainment / camera / weight vs. built-in keyboard / Windows Mobile / touchscreen.
Menneisyys said:
List here what exactly you want to do and I tell you which of the two you should get. It's mostly about entertainment / camera / weight vs. built-in keyboard / Windows Mobile / touchscreen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so which would u go for?
hv_thugg said:
so which would u go for?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Personally, I prefer the N95 over the Kaiser because I love the unmatched multimedia features, the flawless answering machine / call recording (which the Kaiser miserably fails to deliver), gaming capabilities (3D hardware accelerator!) and the camera (and, I also have other Windows Mobile devices, should I need to use Windows Mobile for some reason). The crippled multimedia / gaming, bad camera and, as far as using the phone is concerned, the lack of call recording support of the Kaiser are a showstopper for me.
HOWEVER, if you DO know you absolutely MUST have a touchscreen or Windows Mobile, you should go the Kaiser route.
"i dont get that because every software nokia n85 has i see tilt with it a matter a fact i see nokia with more."
pocketpc have been an active platform for way longer then there was anything called symbian or anything called java at all
of cause it all comes down to what programs one needs but i dare say that there are more pocketpc arm based applications developed then symbian or java apps for phones
I would have a hard time dealing with no touch screen. I got used to graphite writing back in the palm days and it would be hard to do without, especially losing both that and the qwerty keyboard. I have had one other symbian phone too and was not thrilled with either the UI or the 3rd party program selection. I think it has gotten much better since though. I actaully have been keeping my eye on if the Sony W960i is going to make it stateside, but it isn't looking good.
I am most hopeful for the iMate 9502, but may wind up with the LG KS20, once it comes down to a reasonable price (and actually starts shipping??).
What about the MWg Atom Life Windows Mobile 6 Edition. Anyone know anything about this? Looks like No GPS or BT though.
Menneisyys said:
2. If you DO know you MUST have Windows Mobile and don't want to play / the low-quality A2DP and the considerably higher weight isn't a problem (that is, you're looking for a "strictly" business machine with almost non-existing entertainment capabilities), get the Kaiser.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ummm... I don't know what you're talking about - my kaiser is a freaking entertainment facility. I have excellent GPS, about 20-25 great games that I love to cut my spare time with, I watch movies when I'm in traffic, I watch Discovery channel on it, with new camera app I take excellent movies (even at night, in Las Vegas I filmed a great movie about dancing fountains) and photos.. When I go fishing, I play music for me and my friends over the speakerphone...
That's only etnertainment.. I'm not even talking about amazing upgradability and customization of Windows Mobile. And the fact that it fully syncs with Outlook, and trust me - I was an Outlook hater about 5 years ago. Outlook 2007 is amazing and I love it.
I mean what else do you need from the PPC? To have hot sex with you?
DarkDvr said:
Ummm... I don't know what you're talking about - my kaiser is a freaking entertainment facility. I have excellent GPS, about 20-25 great games that I love to cut my spare time with, I watch movies when I'm in traffic, I watch Discovery channel on it, with new camera app I take excellent movies (even at night, in Las Vegas I filmed a great movie about dancing fountains) and photos.. When I go fishing, I play music for me and my friends over the speakerphone...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which games do you play? I bought the Kaiser thinking I would get to play some SNES games on it as a bonus, but I was greatly dissapointed in that matter.
Well, I wonder how you got you Kaiser to film at night. I tried to film some new years fireworks and that filming went terribly bad. You can count the average fps just by watching it ( like 1/2frames every second). Every other phone/camera there filmed at least a regular movie.
The speakerphone crakles all the time, I can't really appreciate music through it.
The N95 series is great minus the build quality.
I prefer the Kaiser overall because it's a better PDA, but they are still very different.
jym04 said:
Which games do you play? I bought the Kaiser thinking I would get to play some SNES games on it as a bonus, but I was greatly dissapointed in that matter.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Here's some cool games that run perfectly on Kaiser:
MoreGames Legends of Orions (with addon)
MoreGames Nanobotz (both games have very cool graphics)
Arcades Collection (about 5-6 games)
Bubble Shooter (don't confuse with bubble breaker)
Doom
Contra
Palm Heroes
Pocket Transport Tycoon Deluxe (free and have awesome graphics)
Pocket Hexen
Pocker Challenge
Pool Challenge
Rats
Tomb Raider (plays like a charm)
Wolfenstein 3D (no problems whatsoever, insane FPS)
Age of Empires (works perfectly, very high FPS)
you just have to look for it. Some games won't run well on Kaiser even with drivers.
jym04 said:
Well, I wonder how you got you Kaiser to film at night. I tried to film some new years fireworks and that filming went terribly bad. You can count the average fps just by watching it ( like 1/2frames every second). Every other phone/camera there filmed at least a regular movie.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know what to say - It's been at night (around 11 or so), on the street, only light was the hotel in the far back, and some lighted fountains in the foreground. I can't count the FPS, but I can estimate it to be around 25-30. I can upload the video once I cut it, as it is - it's 11MB (about 5 minutes long).
jym04 said:
The speakerphone crakles all the time, I can't really appreciate music through it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dunno what to say either, I had Wizard before this, and although Wizard's speakerphone was just insane (best one I've heard), Kaiser's is not that bad at all.
Wouldn't a better comparison be between the HTC Kaiser/Tilt and Nokia E90..? Those are the flagship enterprise communicators for each company.
I've cut that video to a smaller size and uploaded several of them.
Here's the topic about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364779
Xda-developers is the biggest windows mobile community, but what is the biggest symbian forum? I know nothing about symbian but would like to start learning about it.
my-symbian.com I suppose... but it's nowhere near as good as xda-dev.
yeh, I would also like to know more about it...
Like does it have something like activesync for syncing with outlook on the pc? And what's it's equal to Internet Sharing?
Lol, let me hazard a guess: is it due to the crap graphic drivers and the inability of this platform to exhibit anything of graphic value, as compared to Symbian which has recently proven itself worthy of Quake 3?
I had an N73 in the past before which I had WinMo smartphones, and after dabbling deep into Symbian, WinMo is way better; just give it a few months and let's see what comes out.
For syncing, there is Nokia's own software (when I used it last) called Nokia PC Suite, which is crap. It's like a whole slew of applications, half of which are never needed and the Suite itself is nested on the computer's RAM. Not sure about Internet Sharing since I've never needed it.
nuke1 said:
Lol, let me hazard a guess: is it due to the crap graphic drivers and the inability of this platform to exhibit anything of graphic value, as compared to Symbian which has recently proven itself worthy of Quake 3?
I had an N73 in the past before which I had WinMo smartphones, and after dabbling deep into Symbian, WinMo is way better; just give it a few months and let's see what comes out.
For syncing, there is Nokia's own software (when I used it last) called Nokia PC Suite, which is crap. It's like a whole slew of applications, half of which are never needed and the Suite itself is nested on the computer's RAM. Not sure about Internet Sharing since I've never needed it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hahaha yes! Just based off observations... Nokia has always had some of the fastest emulators, fastest ports, the GREATEST doom port! The last few years I've always been asking "why isnt this GBA emulator as fast as Nokia's?" "Why can't my Snes play like that one Nokia phone?" And of course... WHY DOESNT DONT DOOM HAVE MUSIC??? nokia phone's have music when they play doom!"
I actually dont know too much about symbian, if it can play quake 3 or whatnot, but i do know it can play gba, snes, and DOOM. That's why I'd like to visit a symbian forum, to see where they are at in comparison to windows mobile. With that new N97 comming out, Touchscreen, AND uses s60, that sounds pretty good to me.
look at this comparison:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1329&id2=1306&id3=969&id4=1616&id5=1445
doesn't it just kind of...make you want the N97?
mikeeey said:
doesn't it just kind of...make you want the N97?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Watch you get flamed for that lol.
mikeeey said:
look at this comparison:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1329&id2=1306&id3=969&id4=1616&id5=1445
doesn't it just kind of...make you want the N97?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If we could get something like that, but with WinMo :3
bump.
I'd just like to say that my next phone will most likely be the Nokia n82.
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=984
90mb accesible ram
stereo loudspeakers
3.5mm audio output
FM radio
GPS /w Agps
5 Megapixel camera with Xenon flash!
let me just show you some videos showing it's impressive camera + video recording.
Here it's capturing a firework show!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYDKJO1tPiE
Here is a concert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJyt092jHo
Here you can see it's amazing shutter speed. It can capture a still shot of a spinning fan blade, while the N95 makes it appear blurry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qIYtFkJEh4
Here is a picture the N82 took in the pitch dark:
compare it to this pic the N95 took in the pitch dark:
Check out this album on flickr showing lots of pictures taken by different users with their nokia N82's.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokian82usergroup/
The image quality of the N82's camera is just amazing, compatible to a digital camera.
The N82 will also support quake 3 at full detail and framerate with motion sensors (optional) and buttons. Of corse it will play all the emulators such as GBA and SNES at full framerate as well!
You and Quake 3 lol. Seems like you really like the game; i've seen you mention the game throughout many of your posts
Device does look pretty stellar (specs-wise).
kareem9nba said:
You and Quake 3 lol. Seems like you really like the game; i've seen you mention the game throughout many of your posts
Device does look pretty stellar (specs-wise).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol. Yes, and the price isn't terribly expensive. $300. About half of what phones cost now. It's a nice sturdy bar phone, so it will get me by until a REALLY good windows mobile phone comes out.
haha yeah it seems like every electronic I buy now must be able to play quake 3.
Hi. So it it some time since Diamond is in our pockets. Thanks to this community we have fast ROMs, we can play smooth VGA video, and we have good battery time and wi-fi,GPS,GPRS,EDGE,UMTS reception. And, we CAN use hardware 3D accelerator. So, what we made, what some amazing people here made is a damn progress!
So, I think there is only one thing to solve - Camera.
Well all know, that Diamond has WM devices normal quality camera. But, there is big problem - speed. In dark areas, camera is almost unusable, and video record has about 5 FPS. And this is very bad.
I am not developer, in fact I am interested in HW function only. Yes, I have some basics of assembler and C++, but very little, just enough to understand the HW. So, is there anybody with some idea, how to bring some speed into our cameras? Or at least some Xperia features like VGA record or 25FPS? I think there has to be a way. You poeple have done amazing things that even HTC screwed. I would like to help, but as I said, I am not the right person. But for some ideas or registry tweaks or testing my Diamond and my free time is ready.
Having a really tough time deciding which to buy...
The TP2 does look very compelling in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4TKMypIg4&feature=channel_page
Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2
jeutie said:
Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. Main factor for me was the size: TD2 is perfect in that respect for my kind of use, and I do not miss keyboard (if I have large amount of text to type, I have a laptop or a workstation anyway). Keyboards had much too much bulk for the advantage they offer imho...
Design-wise, the only think I would change on the TD2 would be a slightly larger screen, if that is possible keeping the overall size exactly the same, and more physical controls (side wheel for scrolling, more remappable buttons). At a led flash, mainly for having flashlight always handy ;-)
IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.
chch said:
IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree... not sure why people really have difficulty here....
Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!
Jim Coleman said:
Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR
jtgbdr said:
Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I use all the standard plugins plus WMP Status 1.0, TodayAgenda and Cash Organizer 2008.
I don't use any "Today replacement" plugins because I actually use the standard Today screen and think it's the best way of getting all the info I want on one screen.
The TF3D music player needs to have TF3D enabled. I use WMP, hence the WMP Status Today plugin.
TodayAgenda is the best thing since the news of Jacqui Smith's sacking.
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
thedudelasse said:
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
.
awesome review
thedudelasse said:
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i couldn't decide wether to wait a month for the TP2 or go buy the TD2, congratulation you just convinced me to wait