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Working GPS Software for the new D810 GPS enable ROM : Malaysia / Singapore

Hi All,
Now that we happily enabled our GPS on our Trinity / D810 device, the next logical thing to do is the GPS software (of course)! I have been using some GPS software with great success since the days of my O2 Mini and also tested some which works great on the Trinity (WM5 : AKU 3.3 w internal GPS).
Here's some short report. Pls feel free to add any other success here. If you face any problems, do click on the link provided (it's a great way to spend some quality time by troubleshooting with your Trinity ;-)
[size=+1]1 . Garmin Que [/size]
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Compatibility : Win2003SE, WM5 & WM6!!
Website : Click HERE to go Garmin Website
Download (Nothing illegal here) : Click HERE to download Garmin Que for PocketPC WM2003/WM5
Manual : Click HERE to download Garmin Que Manual
Installation Guide : Click HERE for Step by Step setup of Garmin Que with GPSGate. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
Click HERE for Step by Step Guide to install Garmin Que and getting it to work with NMEA GPS receivers using GPSProxy (freeware) E.g. Trinity internal GPS is NMEA
Credits : www.malsingmaps.com
Pros : Frequently updated free maps (Malaysia/Singapore), great user community, locally updated POI, Voice navigation, a lot of help from local enthusiast, auto night mode, connectivity to desktop application (MapSource) to download tracks, points & maps.
Cons : Rather 'flat' 2D navigation, require a 'proxy' to convert NMEA (std GPS output) to Garmin protocol, no option to 'leave backlight on', 'proxy' might be difficult to setup for new users
Have been faithfully using this software because of the frequent and more importantly FREE (yes there is such thing as FREE in this world) map available for Malaysia / Singapore. And best of all, it's routable, meaning it can generate turn-by-turn instruction form point A to point B. It also have a great address search capabilities.
Using Garmin Que, you can gain the most by applying the free and frequently updated map from MalSingmaps.com to be up to date in the 'ever changing' roads of Malaysia. The local community also share places to eat (local food) and other local POI (Point of Interest). For those staying or planning to visit Malaysia / Singapore, this is definitely the BEST addition to your GPS enabled Trinity / Dopod D810!
If you have difficulty setting up GPS proxy on the D810, visit this forum for some resolution, Click HERE for some common problem with GPSproxy on D810/838 pro. If you find using GPSproxy a bit of a pain in the *** (like I do), you can go for the commercially available solution GPSGate. I am using this an I find this very good, since there are other advance features such as on-line location sharing & tracking, GPS simulation and many more .. Note : There is some compatibility issue with GPSgate and some softwares. If you find problems loading virtual comm ports, click HERE for some resolutions.
More to come as I am limited to 3 images per posting ...

Working GPS Software for the new D810 GPS enable ROM : Malaysia / Singapore : MioMap
[size=+1]2 . MioMap v3.2[/size]
Compatibility : WM5, WM6 & Win2003SE (not tested)
Website : Click HERE to go MioMap Website
Map Download : Click HERE to see available Maps from MioMap Website
Language Download : Click HERE to see available language from MioMap Website
Pros : Nice clean 3D interface, 'Skinable', landscape / portrait mode, 'one finger' operation, backlight always on option, plenty of voice language, good POI (a local restaurant outside my house is also available), no need 'proxy' to work, ability to add 'speedcam'.
Cons : cannot use malsing map (no frequent updates map), no connectivity to desktop (Such as upload log, trail, etc to desktop such as Garmin Mapsource for editing), map not so correct (the road outside my house is drawn wrongly-not the fault of the GPS software but the actual map itself)
I have just started testing this program. I works well using the available maps (for Malaysia / Singapore and Hong Kong as well) although the maps are not as updated as the MalSing ones. The road outside of my house is drawn wrongly (a problem with the map, not the software itself). Overall, this software has a clean interface and can be used with one finger mode. You can also change the 'skin' of the software to your liking (see image above, the first 2 pict is the default skin and the 3rd is a different skin). It also works right out of the box. Just set the GPS to use Comm 9 and it will work with the Trinity internal GPS.
It also features a great 3D mode. Visit the official MioMap Website to see a demo of the software!

[size=+1]3 . Garmin Mobile XT[/size]
Compatibility : WM5, Plam OS, Win2003SE (not tested)
Website : Click HERE to go Garmin Website
Unofficial Review : Click HERE to see unofficial review and additional screenshot
Pros : Nice 3D interface, can use MalSing Map (see post on Garmin Que), 'one finger' operation, new 'fresh' and updated interface compared to Garmin Que
Cons : Cannot use Trinity internal GPS!!
I have just started testing this program. It loads well on the Trinity and it presents a fresh new 3D & 'one finger' operation interface compared to the old Garmin Que. It also shares the same map with Garmin Que (meaning MalSing maps can be used!). It also inteface with the desktop software Garmin Mapsource well.
However, the BIGGEST drawback is the requirement for this software to work with Garmin GPS 10 bluetooth receiver! This render this software almost un-usable as it cannot work with Trinity's internal GPS receiver ... What a waste. Looks like Garmin Que is going to be in my Trinity for a while until other solution can be found ...

[size=+1]4 . Smart2Go[/size]
Compatibility : WM5, Nokia N/E series, Symbian S60 (and maybe others)
Website : Click HERE to go Smart2Go Website
Free Download : Click HERE to download Smart2go
3D Software Preview : Click HERE to see smart2go 3D in action (uTube)
2D Software Preview : Click HERE to see smart2go 2D in action (uTube)
Pros : Nice 3D interface, updated POI through Wi-Fi/3G connectivity, Free to use
Cons : turn-by-turn navigation requires purchase of additional services
I have just started testing this program. It loads well on the Trinity and the best feature of this software is it's capabilities to connect to the website to download up-to-date information E.g if you plan to visit a new location, you can connect online and download latest to-do, attractions, POI etc. there's even insight guide and smart travelling tips! Time to trow away the tour guide ;-)
Warning : Becareful not to download anything from your phone while 'roaming'. The software could connect your phone to the internet to download 'new maps'. If you are not on the 'unlimited data' package, you should not be using this feature or else your could be charged a huge bill at the end of the month. There is an alternative way to download the map from your PC and load it into the memory card of your phone (called Maploader). Can download it from HERE.

Alvin,
Thank you VERY MUCH for this information. Much appreciated.

aZooZa said:
Alvin,
Thank you VERY MUCH for this information. Much appreciated.
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You are welcome. Do report back success if you are using any other type of GPS software.

Alvin, where are the Malaysian maps for Mio? There appear to be none in the link above. Actually, I can't even find the download page for this software. Can you tell me where to download it from?
Oh, I downloaded Navio from www.handango.com - I haven't got to grips with it yet as this is the first time I've used GPS, but you can get a trial download and it works on the Trinity right out of the box, and finds 12 satellites remarkably quickly.
Also, do you know where to get Malaysian maps for this free TomTom thing that comes with the ROM upgrade? I need maps for the Sungai Petani, Butterworth and Penang areas.
Thanks and BR,
Dale

aZooZa said:
Alvin, where are the Malaysian maps for Mio? There appear to be none in the link above. Actually, I can't even find the download page for this software. Can you tell me where to download it from?
Oh, I downloaded Navio from www.handango.com - I haven't got to grips with it yet as this is the first time I've used GPS, but you can get a trial download and it works on the Trinity right out of the box, and finds 12 satellites remarkably quickly.
Also, do you know where to get Malaysian maps for this free TomTom thing that comes with the ROM upgrade? I need maps for the Sungai Petani, Butterworth and Penang areas.
Thanks and BR,
Dale
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Mio is a commercial product and you need to purchase the map for it and as far as I can find, I have not come across Malaysia map for TomTom.
The best Malaysian map so far is still the Garmin map by Malsing http://www.malsingmaps.com/forum/index.php

Alvin, how about Malaysian maps for Smart2Go? I just installed it but cannot find anywhere to d/l the maps? I can find "download cities" on the app itself but no country maps except Singapore. Sorry to be a pest
Edit: Just spent a lot more time with this. I have installed the Mapking app together with the malsing map and it all works a charm.
Mapking software and maps (3 day trial) : http://www.mapking.com/en/MK10/MK10_Dowload_Eng.htm#Malaysia

Try Google Maps & Windows Live Search for Mobile
I have installed both Google Maps and Windows Live search for mobile and have to say both work really well.
You get turn by turn directions and GPS positioning, but they are both only 2d and no voice guidance.
In New Zealand, the mapping is accurate for both, and you get satellite imagery or vector street maps.
Just remember that both require a data connection. Windows Live caches a few mb's of maps so you might not need to keep downloading. Google Maps doesn't cache at all.
I tried Smart2Go but the map download didn't work (as it seems for many people).

Can you please tell me which gps softwares provide maps for the ME, I have found none till now except for smart2go, which has a really lame map for the place where I live (Qatar) . I would really appreciate it. (Qatar/ME/Gulf)
Thanx,
Ak

I just bought my Dopod D810 and it had Mapking 2007 with malaysian map preinstalled. I'm not really satisfied about it because randomly this program hangs with error message 'RT error: storage out'. Kind of annoying.....

that's weird.. mapking2007 works fantastic for me. Do you have it installed in main memory or storage card? have you tried reinstalling the program or looking for a newer build?

Does any one know of there is a complete map of Thailland? For non PDA it is available I have seen in cars, but for PDA I can't find.

The same company that puts out MapKing makes one called PowerMap Thailand. You can google it for details or look at this link: http://www.matlastech.com/
You can download Bangkok and Thailand highway maps for MapKing from here http://www.mapking.com/en/MK7/MK7_Dowload_Eng.htm
hope you find what you're looking for..

I'm not planning going to Malaysia anytime soon, but I really enjoyed your Side-to-side comparison. Nice Job!
Thanks

Looking Glass said:
I'm not plannig going to Malaysia anytime soon, but I really enjoyed your Side-to-side comparison. Nice Job!
Thanks
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No prob, if you decide to come over to this part of the world, then you know how to get the map ;-)

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ErikHuybregts said:
I just bought my Dopod D810 and it had Mapking 2007 with malaysian map preinstalled. I'm not really satisfied about it because randomly this program hangs with error message 'RT error: storage out'. Kind of annoying.....
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I had this problem too but only when I first turned on Mapking G10 (not mapking 2007) indoors. Once it got a gps fix then no more errors.
Not sure if this will help u.

I have Mapking installed installed on the storage card. Unfortunately I don't have any installation files so I can't install it again on main memory.
I also get the error message when I'm outside and the GPS is fixed.
Mostly I get it while calculating the route and sometimes while I'm driving.
Anyway, now I'm using Garmin Que in combination with GPSProxy and it works fantastic !

Side to side comparison of Wizard & Kaiser + TomTom 6 on Kaiser (!)

Well.. I was looking at that video on youtube with TomTom on Kaiser.. and thinking - dman, no way it's that slow. So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
And here's the video comparison on iGo MyWay 2006 Plus navigation running same routes, at the same time, same config, on Wizard and Kaiser:
Wizard (left): WM5 stock ROM, no running apps. GPS disabled.
Kaiser (right): Dutty's v3 ROM, no running apps (aside from lots of stuff on today screen). GPS disabled.
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk

DarkDvr said:
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk
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The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
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As you say, seems quite smooth. Makes me wonder if we need to find a standard set of tests and start some co-ordinated testing.
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...

It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead

The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
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Yep. Added clarification to the first post as well.
Cavey.co.uk said:
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...
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Well, with latest CorePlayer I have no problems playing video.. so I don't think benchmark is that needed, it's very smooth and nice.

undac said:
It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead
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Just tried it at 100% - absolutely zero difference for me, maybe even a bit smoother. You can take my word on it.

Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.

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Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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It does tell you before you get to the corner. I have used it a lot and no problems at all.

joshuah82 said:
Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.

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I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.
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That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.

joshuah82 said:
That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.
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Tomtom 6 on my Kaiser says: "Turn left in, 300 meters" then "Turn left" just before I reach the turn. Haven't had any cut out problems after several days of use.

I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?

ladytoast said:
I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?
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I dunno what to say..
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.

DarkDvr said:
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.
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It may be because you have the basic map.
I have full TomTom USA maps, I have installed to SD card, I'm running Dutty's V3, and it's not as snappy as yours.
Hm.. maybe it does help to install GPS apps to storage instead of card because the card interface seems to be slow, but it's not possible to move the huge maps to storage.

True, that might have an effect, although I doubt it'd be that much..
Whatever the case, video was made to look at actual operation performance.. not at how fast my SD card is hehe..

My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.

Cavey.co.uk said:
Makes me wonder if we need to find a standard set of tests and start some co-ordinated testing.
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There was a link in the Happy User thread for a benchtest program. Probably not exactly what was intended, but it's a good start?
Clicky
FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?

Radeon123 said:
My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.
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Yep, definitely having lots of POIs on the map would slow it down.. Thanks for your feedback regarding having TT on SD card vs Storage and having full maps. I didn't think it'd make much of a difference.
I have no idea why some of youtube's videos show TT running on Kaiser so slow. It's very smooth.

Steve-C said:
FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?
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Unless I am misreading it - this proves the device outperforms the QTEk 9100 except for the fps rate?

It seems to outperform the 9100 on all counts! Unless a higher number on the fill rate is bad? I would really be interested in seeing one of the posters who say their device only barely crawls along doing this test and their results.

Pretty much same results, even a bit higher..
Test seemed very smooth, fps was very good as far as I can tell.
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Destinator 7 too slow

Hi,
Is anyone here running Destinator 7 (forced to VGA) with a ~200MB map?
I got an updated map to Brazil (2008.q2) and Destinator now runs like installed in an 100mhz device...
It's true that with the map used before (just my City - São Paulo - 50mb) it was not so fast (Tomtom runs much more smooth but has older maps).
Any idea to optimize it? If i move the main app to internal memory make a great diference?
Thanks for the help Bros.
CreativeBR

i have the same problem with tt7. recalculating takes too long.
more than 10 seconds. (which is long when you have to know when to take the alternative turn if you take a wrong one)

I'm a bit frustated with the GPS usage in Diamond
The best map for my country is Destinator compatible but the program itself runs very slow (almost not usable).
The second best map is Igo 2006 compatible but i cant make any navigation software based on its core run in Diamond (igo2006, MioMap3.3, onCourseNav, V7... )
The 3rd choice is TomTom7 but the map has some errors in some regions (downtown) of my City so i dont trust in it anymore.
I'm trying Garmin XT V4 this week. But i guess the map is a little old and designed more to inter cities roads than to urban (streets and avenues)use.
Igo8 runs but dont have maps to my place.
So i dont have a good solution at the moment.
Is destinator 6 more light that the 7 version? Is it deservs a try?
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CreativeBR

pocketgpsworld vs TomTom 7.910

Hi Folks,
First of all, I'm really sorry for posting a 'diet' question like this, but even though I've owned it for some time, my Kaiser has remained untouched so far and I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on definitive action...
OK I've got the device for three main reasons - 1) To have push mail and web (of sorts) in my pocket, 2) To provide internet connectivity to my laptop when needed, 3) to be a pretty competent Sat Nav device.
This evening I noticed a little complication with point 3 - Up to now I've been using TomTom Navigator 6 and more recently TomTom 7.910 - I thought the performance was pretty decent, at the very least acceptable - I've been using a TomTom Traffic & Cameras subscription. Today I subscribed to the pocketgpsworld safety camera database and set alerts for the 'speed zoned complete' version.
I took my kaiser out on a little drive just now and I was pretty shocked at the amazing performance degredation TomTom is suffering now that it's got to think about a few POIs at the same time - it really was pretty woeful.
I guess I'm not the first person to note this, so I was wondering is there anything that can be done - tweaks or even a replacement ROM that might deliver some more horsepower to TomTom Navigator?
For the record I'm not bothered about the Kaiser doing anything else 'fancy' - if ActiveSync will work with an Exchange server, and Pocket IE (I know it sucks but Opera and Skyfire don't flick my switch either) will give me basic web functionality, my only other concern is TomTom...
Does anyone have any advice? All suggestions are most gratefully received!
Thanks and regards,
Rob.

Speed up TomTom
First: What Rom do you use? If it's the stock one, there's probaly a problem with the driver (custom http://www.htcclassaction.org / Intell Omnia drivers). It's best to flash your Kaiser where the drivers already are in it.
To speed up TomTom and use POI's:
step 1: Hide all POI's.
- change prefences
- Show POI on map
Be sure that NOTHING is on (like in my screenshot)
step 2: Warn near POI's
- Manage POIs
- Warn when near POI
- Be SURE to turn OFF Warn only if POI is on route (otherwise it will not always warn you).
Now it doesn't load all the POI's tot the map constantly and it will run much smoother
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Hey.. I had the same problem (with TT 7.4)... I foudn after I added all the POI's, I unchecked almost all but the most needed.. Then from that point on, I can still get direction to ANY of the POI's (checked or unchecked) and it still shows all the ones I want it to when drivign around... and the map lag is now non-existant... Hope this helps..
FactionOne said:
Hi Folks,
First of all, I'm really sorry for posting a 'diet' question like this, but even though I've owned it for some time, my Kaiser has remained untouched so far and I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on definitive action...
OK I've got the device for three main reasons - 1) To have push mail and web (of sorts) in my pocket, 2) To provide internet connectivity to my laptop when needed, 3) to be a pretty competent Sat Nav device.
This evening I noticed a little complication with point 3 - Up to now I've been using TomTom Navigator 6 and more recently TomTom 7.910 - I thought the performance was pretty decent, at the very least acceptable - I've been using a TomTom Traffic & Cameras subscription. Today I subscribed to the pocketgpsworld safety camera database and set alerts for the 'speed zoned complete' version.
I took my kaiser out on a little drive just now and I was pretty shocked at the amazing performance degredation TomTom is suffering now that it's got to think about a few POIs at the same time - it really was pretty woeful.
I guess I'm not the first person to note this, so I was wondering is there anything that can be done - tweaks or even a replacement ROM that might deliver some more horsepower to TomTom Navigator?
For the record I'm not bothered about the Kaiser doing anything else 'fancy' - if ActiveSync will work with an Exchange server, and Pocket IE (I know it sucks but Opera and Skyfire don't flick my switch either) will give me basic web functionality, my only other concern is TomTom...
Does anyone have any advice? All suggestions are most gratefully received!
Thanks and regards,
Rob.
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Hi,
Thanks for your response
At the moment my Kaiser (branded T-Mobile Vario III) is running the stock T-Mobile ROM which it shipped with quite a few (between 6 and 9) months ago.
I've just disabled all 'Show POIs on Map' and left the 'Warn when near POI' enabled for the safety cameras.
I ran a route demo and it seems to be a little improved, probably to a level which is approaching acceptable.
I tried again having disabled HTC Home from the Today screen which seemed to free up a little memory.
I'm curious about your mention of the display drivers - I'd read the class action website some time ago and was aware of display driver issues. I'm interested in your mention of alternatives, but not quite sure I follow what you mean exactly...
Is there an improved driver which I can install on my Kaiser with the current ROM?
And/or, are there 'community' ROMs available which have an improved display driver installed?
Any further help you can offer on those points would be great!
Thanks again,
Rob.

Search, Find, Flash...
You can try the CAB file (download, copy to phone, run it on phone)
Kaiser and Nike drivers: download as seen on
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php (almost at bottom)
BUT also they noticed that almost every rom included the drivers.
Also Intell Drivers work great (ripped from Omnia)
Flashing for beginners with a Kaiser (READ BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO FLASH!):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
All roms: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
For much speed I recommend a rom like "AthineOS |NAKED|" maked by b16b
That's the ROM I'm using at the moment and TomTom 7 runs very smooth (that rom has got Omnia driver included)
You're lucky i'm a bit bored, otherwise you'll get a very short answer like:
SEARCH....​

bigchrizzieboy said:
For much speed I recommend a rom like "AthineOS |NAKED|" maked by b16b
That's the ROM I'm using at the moment and TomTom 7 runs very smooth (that rom has got Omnia driver included)
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Thanks very much for the information - I'm going to dump the stock ROM from my Kaiser and hopefully reconstruct it before I go any further (I've been doing a lot of reading about how to do that today); and then I think I'll give the CAB a go.
If that doesn't yield good results I'm going to give the AthineOS ROM a try -I'd been looking at various ROMs available and the AthineOS looked to be the kind of thing I like (I've used Schaps (with a bit of stripping-out) and CRCs ROMs on my Hermes and the AthineOS for Kaiser looks similar in style) - I noted that it's described as very fast (which I like the sound of!), and I saw mention of replaced display drivers in the thread - I just wasn't certain at first which were used, and crucially, whether they would benefit TomTom.
Your recommendation and confirmation of a performance increase in TomTom is exactly the information I'd been looking for, so thank you very much!
Also...
bigchrizzieboy said:
You're lucky i'm a bit bored, otherwise you'll get a very short answer like:
SEARCH....​
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I had done quite a bit of searching after your first reply before I asked more questions, but I couldn't quite find conclusive answers to the particular questions I then had. I promise Search and Wiki are always my first ports-of-call before I post questions to the board (I'm admin at a car forum and completely understand frustration when people repeat questions as a result of not checking existing resources!).
Sincere thanks again,
Rob.
PS> I'll update this thread with the results of my actions so that searches by others in future might be useful...

Just a quick update for the record...
On reading the link to the driver progress page on HTCClassAction.org I saw the statement "As far as we know, there is NO 6.0 ROM that is compatible with these drivers." - so I didn't bother attempting to install the driver directly to my current ROM.
I've dumped my T-Mobile stock ROM and made sure I've got the reconstructed OS ROM, a suitable SPL and the boot/splash screens ready should I wish to go back for any reason.
I've just flashed AthineOS (the WM6.1 version not the just-released test WM6.5 version)...
Well, I'm extremely impressed...
The ROM itself is nice and snappy, navigating around menus etc. is very quick indeed...
Now, we come to the all important TomTom performance...
So I've got the pocketgpsworld safety camera database (Speed-Zoned Complete version) running, with 'Warn when near POI' set for each category with 15 seconds warning for fixed and the pgpsw recommened setting for mobile/pmobile cameras...
It's CONSIDERABLY faster - MUCH more fluid in the turns - frame-rate is considerably higher (not measured, just perceived with mark one eyeball) and there's little or no 'visual lag' is evident whatsoever. It's a completely dark and light transformation. I'll be more than happy using it every day now.
It's worth noting that I've still not got any POIs 'shown on map' - this doesn't prevent warnings, or indeed POIs that the application is 'currently' warning about from being shown on the map when required - it simply means that ALL of them aren't on the map at ALL times - so in real terms it makes no difference in the case of safety camera warnings. I did test performance with some categories 'shown on map' and it drops off sharply; but I'm inclined to think that this is more a side effect of mathematical horsepower in the Kaiser being limited (especially when you consider everything else that's running in the background) as opposed to display performance being low.
...In short, I think this software takes about as much advantage of the hardware in the Kaiser as is possible.
I'll join bigchrizzieboy in thoroughly recommending AthineOS if you're a TomTom user...
Thanks again and regards,
A very happy Rob
PS> A donation to b16b for the excellent AthineOS will be on its way in due course...

Well, I've just discovered something else which might prove interesting for anyone wondering about TomTom performance and x,y,z ROM in future...
I've just done a side-by-side comparison of...
My Kaiser running AthineOS and TomTom 7.910 with the pocketgpsworld Speed Zoned Complete safety camera database
and
My Father's TomTom One XL running the most recent NavCore for it (8.014 or something I think), the same safety camera database, the same map and the same warning preferences etc.
...Guess which one delivered better frame/redraw rate?...
That's right (or wrong?)... The Kaiser seems noticably quicker than the dedicated TomTom device! I'm quite shocked!
Regards,
Rob.

FactionOne said:
Well, I've just discovered something else which might prove interesting for anyone wondering about TomTom performance and x,y,z ROM in future...
I've just done a side-by-side comparison of...
My Kaiser running AthineOS and TomTom 7.910 with the pocketgpsworld Speed Zoned Complete safety camera database
and
My Father's TomTom One XL running the most recent NavCore for it (8.014 or something I think), the same safety camera database, the same map and the same warning preferences etc.
...Guess which one delivered better frame/redraw rate?...
That's right (or wrong?)... The Kaiser seems noticably quicker than the dedicated TomTom device! I'm quite shocked!
Regards,
Rob.
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I don't had see this before i'm impressed with this thread
I'm very happy after your result with MY ROM finally all this hours with cooking finally have the best and fastest result.. thanks for promotion m8

Great posting
b16b said:
I don't had see this before i'm impressed with this thread
I'm very happy after your result with MY ROM finally all this hours with cooking finally have the best and fastest result.. thanks for promotion m8
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Indeed, thanks for the feedback, testing, discovery, etc...
​Hope you already using TomTom Home with mapupdates, if not reply & i will tell simply how to...
br

Hi,
Thanks again for your help. I've joined 'MapShare' and TTHome has downloaded corrections and it reported that it applied them to my device, is there anything else I need to do?
Regards,
Rob.

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Hi,
Thanks again for your help. I've joined 'MapShare' and TTHome has downloaded corrections and it reported that it applied them to my device, is there anything else I need to do?
Regards,
Rob.
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Nope, but what you CAN do:
Mapupdates prefences:
Don't know what your settings are, but mine are:
TomTom Home:
Don't know what your already using, but:
You can use it to download free voices, warning sounds, POI's, color schemes.
You can "Pimp your ride":
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/tomtom-custom-cursors.php
Right mouse button, save as on the "rides" (google tomtom car symbol for more)...
Be sure to save only a couple off cars (about 10), to much will give you an error when trying to change your car symbol.
Save the file's into "Storage Card\ART\CARS\"
- ON YOUR PDA in TomTom: Change prefences, change car symbol
Free Voices thanks to google
Search on google for TomTom voices (some people maked their own) and copy them to "Storage Card\VOICES\"
When chaning voice, TomTom will ask if it must only use voices from your language, answer with NO.
If you've got filenames with the same number just rename them (you don't need to overwrite). examplefiles needed for a voices:
- DATA114.BMP (not needed, you can create it)
- DATA114.CHK
- DATA114.TLV
- DATA114.VIF
POI's made by other people
http://www.poiedit.com/
A site with a free program with many POI's, you need to subscribe some sites first.
Make own POI's pictures
Where your map is placed on your device "Storage Card\MAP NAME\"
Are files like:
- Burger King Sub, The Netherlands.ov2
- Burger King Sub, The Netherlands.bmp
You can simply edit or create BMP files, just give them the same name as the ov2 file.
Enjoy your speedy customized TomTom

bigchrizzieboy said:
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​Hope you already using TomTom Home with mapupdates, if not reply & i will tell simply how to...
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I don't use tom tom i don't have found any good map for Greek

Touch-IT v4.0 & Igo 8 and Garmin

Nice looking ROM , with many bug at this point. Just uninstalled from my X1. Igo 8 , Garmin and a few GPS related software not working with this relase.Contact screen freeze after sync with outlook from my pc.
The only one ROM from itje worked for me trouble free: Touch-IT_Xperience_v2.2
Anybody out there who have Igo 8 and this ROM working?

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Using Garmin Mobile XT V5.00.20 and works perfect (Socal).
Couple of things to check:
1 - Advanced Config - enable 'Assisted GPS'
2 - update quick GPS
3 - Settings - 'External GPS' my settings are:
GPS program port: COM4
GPS hardware port: (None)
Baud rate: 4800 (i've seen others used 9600 as well, don't know the difference)
Manage GPS auto - checked
From what I know, GPS has a lot more to do with the radio than rom. I've tried all three available Xperia radios and the best one for me is 1.10.25.18 . Satellites lock quickly and signal holds very well.
radios are available here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477801
You just gotta experiment, good luck!

using igo8 perfectly.
also tried the cab for TT with a free map (to test out footprints) and that works as well.

I had big problems with gps, seems that sometimes a flash can mess it up. It's not related to rom, it's not itje's bug, a hard reset should do the trick. make a backup with something like spb backup, hard reset and then restore
PS I LOVE googlemaps integrated in contact detail page

I am using Touch-It RC1 with IGO8 without any problems, I didnt have any problems with any of the beta versions either.......I havent changed any GPS settings on windows or in IGO8 gps settings etc.

whitemdx03 said:
1 - Advanced Config - enable 'Assisted GPS'
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I bet you will have a lot of issue by enabling this. HTC put a bogus non-reachable IP address for AGPS and AGPS never work.

I actually haven't got into much problem with the A-GPS enabled. Only issue is if i leave the GPS program active, but not routing to a destination, and let the screen power off due to inactivity, the phone occasionally freezes. I will trying turning it off and see if i can repeat the freezing.

guap said:
I had big problems with gps, seems that sometimes a flash can mess it up. It's not related to rom, it's not itje's bug, a hard reset should do the trick. make a backup with something like spb backup, hard reset and then restore
PS I LOVE googlemaps integrated in contact detail page
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My Igo 8 working perfect with another cooked rom's. With itje's rom i can not install Igo 8 (8.3.2.64029). I havent changed any GPS settings on my xperia.
I just flashed back my phone with the generic uk rom: (X1i_GENERIC_UK_CDF1215-1832_R2AA010) , and now everything working fine , no problem with igo 8.
Any suggestion what im doing wrong?

I have iGo 8 with 4.0 rc 1 w/o any problems, also it worked with all images from itje all the way until 4.0

xxcsu said:
Any suggestion what im doing wrong?
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Add following line to your sys.txt on SD card and Program files\igo8(if iGO already installed)
[device]
type="ALIAS_XPERIA"
Regards,
Damijan

Dare1 said:
Add following line to your sys.txt on SD card and Program files\igo8(if iGO already installed)
[device]
type="ALIAS_XPERIA"
Regards,
Damijan
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That should work; also check if the installation path is correct in sys.txt.
I've got Navigon 7, TomTom 7 and iGo8 working perfectly on the Xperia. TomTom and Navigon are a bit stretched since they were made for VGA, but they work fine.
Also Google maps, Trackr and QuickGPS work fine.
I left all GPS settings to the standard and disabled AGPS.
The above are valid for Itje's 2.01, 2.2, 3.01, 3.5 WWE and NLD, 4.0, Jack 2.08, CmEX 2 and some others I've tried (didn't keep track, I flash every few days )

Gwystyl said:
I've got Navigon 7, TomTom 7 and iGo8 working perfectly on the Xperia. TomTom and Navigon are a bit stretched since they were made for VGA, but they work fine.
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You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...

whitemdx03 said:
You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...
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Here's my take:
IGo8:
Pro: Best graphic (both 3D and 2D) and fluid screen movement, TTS, fully customizable UI. lane info for freeway exit, excellent voice instuctions, Quite easy to use UI if you get use to it.
Con: Take a long time to (> 1 min) start. Resource and memory hog.
Garmin Mobile XT:
Pro: Best POI, Best online functionality if you got 3G plan (Google search, realtime traffic, airline schedule, gas price .... etc).
Con: Ugly UI (IMHO), quite hard to understand how to navigate the menus, slow, no TTS, not so good voice instructions
Tomtom: Very good graphic (just 2nd to Igo), very easy to use.
Con: no TTS, horrible voice instructions in complicated freeway situtation, no feature is best of it class and I don't see the need to use it (e.g. I would either use Garmin or Igo8 depend on situtation and needs, but in no case I would consider Tomtom....)

Thanks for the review! IGo8 sounds good, and I just moved to Socal and freeways is a ***** to navigate so better voice instructions would be a plus.

whitemdx03 said:
Thanks for the review! IGo8 sounds good, and I just moved to Socal and freeways is a ***** to navigate so better voice instructions would be a plus.
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If you are in US, you should look into IGuidance 4/2009 too. Ugliest interface but best TTS instructions, fast startup time and use a lot less resource.

In my case iGo starts within 15sec., it depends on the stuff (maps, buildings etc.) you include. I´m using the latest version but it eats up a lot of memory though.

whitemdx03 said:
You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...
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My experience is similar to Jacks, but here goes:
Navigon 7:
pro: a lot faster than version 6, very good graphics, roadsigns in landscape, POIs with real life logo's, fast map updates, excellent voice instructions
con: startup is a bit slow, not customisable
iGo 8:
pro: very customisable/skinnable, nice graphics, chooses logical routes, lane info with roadsigns in portrait and landscape, fast map updates, easy to plan a route with multiple stops, displays second move.
con: startup is slow, hard to navigate to contacts (hidden in POI menus)
TomTom 7:
pro: very fast, very easy to understand and navigate from A to B.
con: very simple graphics, hard to customise
I use iGo most, but I think Navigon is nicer to look at and has better voices. iGo voices are a lot better than in previous versions, but you get a lot of notifications for one move. I hardly use TomTom; only when I want to now quickly (within a minute or so) where I can find a specific address.

I've had a play with the tomtom cab from the diamond and the free map of my home town (for footprints experimenting) and the route finding is really bad. I know a few others who have standalone units and have complained of the same.
I was heading back home the other night, set preferences to shortest, turned onto a 2 mile long straight road home and it decided I should instead turn left, go 3 miles to get onto the motorway ride along the motorway for a 1.5 miles than up another road for 2 miles, to come out the other end of the road I was on. mmm
give me igo anyday..
Been involved in the beta testing for the telmap stuff, other than the caching and amount of data it uses it's not bad, but ugly. Walking directions are pretty good as well.

Nothing from all the solutions you gave in this thread works for me ! I tried them all...
Anyone who got this working on Touch-IT v4.0 RC1 , RC 3 , RC 3.01 ......
What branding and data file are you using? What is your igo8 version number ?
What is in your sys conf. file?
Everything working fine with generic uk R2AA010 rom,but nothin with itje rom's....
I like very much his rom, i really wanted to use , but i must to have igo8 on my xperia