I plan to update the OS of my TyTN II from WM6.0 to 6.1.
I regularly back-up my files with Sprite Back-up.
My question is, will there be any issues (incompatibility etc) with restoring my back-up files to the new OS?
On that note, will the programs I used to have in WM6.0 (e.g. TCPMP, TouchFlo cube from XDA forums etc) be still compatible with WM6.1? Will I be able to re-install them without issues?
TIA
rigel
Only if you have a new enough version of Sprite Back-up
rigelstuff said:
I plan to update the OS of my TyTN II from WM6.0 to 6.1.
I regularly back-up my files with Sprite Back-up.
My question is, will there be any issues (incompatibility etc) with restoring my back-up files to the new OS?
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There will be issues unless you get (possibly at cost) a new enough version of Sprite backup. The freebie version included on the HTC CDROM may complain if you try this and only handles restores and backups within the same OS. Someone posted about exactly this issue here on 23/7.... will search for that thread.
***Edit*** Here is that thread but read what it mentions about cross OS back-ups and restores not working with everything (except things like personal folders, contacts etc).
Problem after installing WM6.1
Personally when ever I upgrade an OS on any device I always reinstall software from scratch and check the software apps compatibility with the new OS before doing so at the software publishers website.
***Edit 2*** Changed subject and content to reflect possibly not the very latest version still being OK. Latest post after this one (to check manual) is good advice.
I have Sprite 6 and it is fully compatible with WM 6.1. If you have Sprite WM2005 I THINK you can still do a back up and restore but need to go through a process of getting an upgrade file first. IIRC the Sprite User Guide details the process under 'Advanced Mode'. If not, the Sprite site has it under their FAQs re WM2005.
Hi!
May I join in ?
has anyone discovered any other issues?
I use CE-Star, and check email via an Exchange Server.
Is ugrading to 6.1 really beneficial ?
Back to my searching...
ofiaich
Now that I've thought about it...
Much thanks Flying Kiwi
After thinking about it, and reading that other thread, I'm thinking I don't really need the Sprite backup. I mean, the really important stuff (contacts, e-mail, tasks/schedules/calendar) are already in my laptop, and I could just do a sync after I upgrade to 6.1, right?
Come to think of it, what other stuff exactly is in the Sprite backup file? All the other stuff like music, pictures and whatnot are in my memory card. Will 6.1 recoginse all those files in my microSD? Or do I have to sync all my music from WMP all over again?
I don't mind having to re-install all the other applications. I'm also just wondering if they would also be compatible with 6.1.
Pardon the "amatureish" questions. I'm all new at this
Flying Kiwi said:
There will be issues unless you get (possibly at cost) a new enough version of Sprite backup. The freebie version included on the HTC CDROM may complain if you try this and only handles restores and backups within the same OS. Someone posted about exactly this issue here on 23/7.... will search for that thread.
***Edit*** Here is that thread but read what it mentions about cross OS back-ups and restores not working with everything (except things like personal folders, contacts etc).
Problem after installing WM6.1
Personally when ever I upgrade an OS on any device I always reinstall software from scratch and check the software apps compatibility with the new OS before doing so at the software publishers website.
***Edit 2*** Changed subject and content to reflect possibly not the very latest version still being OK. Latest post after this one (to check manual) is good advice.
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I'm on a mission to update my ROM, and I've been reading/thinking about it, and I have come to the following conclusions.. Hopefully if I'm wrong on any of them, someone can say so..
I'll backup my SMS and PIM data. PIM data should sync back over, SMS will not, so I'll need to restore that.
Update HardSPL. I don't know what version I have, but I'll put the latest suggested for WM 6.1 (3.56 I believe)
I'll take Sprite Pro, and download a copy of my stock ROM and Radio and put those three files on my SD card, so if all else fails, I can just go right back the way I was. (Right??)
Write down all of my *must have* apps, make sure I have their cabs and put them and licensing info on my SD card for easy reinstall. And what ones I can save settings on or write down the settings, do that so I have it.
Hard reset, install new ROM (I think I'm going with ROMEOS) and Radio (1.65.20.xx I think it was I decided on for GPS, battery etc), hard reset again.
Tilt specific settings will go away, but there's a thread on that by redbandana that's great. So restore some cabs there to fix that back.
Install my minmum required apps and reconfigure them, make sure it's all working, configured, get synced back up with Outlook, etc.. Once that's done, make a backup with Sprite Pro.
Reinstall auxillary stuff, but I'm going to try (my best!!) to minimize this, as it makes a mess and seems to cause problems. Right now my Tilt has no notifications (not Opera related), no LEDs (thus TT7 doesn't work), and some general weirdness sometimes.
Hopefully by doing this I'll have two complete setups.. the WM6.1 setup installed and backed up on the SD card. Also my current WM6.0 setup that I could return to by hard reset, install 6.0 ROM and radio and run backup file if all else fails.
So in the end, I could swap between my current WM6.0 and new WM6.1 without a lot of hassle if I needed to, but hopefully I won't need to.
Hope this isn't considered thread crapping, but seems relevant to most people migrating to 6.1 and are unsure about the process (as I am stll myself)
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Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
Or am I totally off here ?
After a rom upgrade, you should never restore a complete backup, regardless of the backup program you use. With sprite, it is easy to do a restore of individual databases (appointments, contacts, email, sms etc), as well as the document folder. The other option is to use the "device upgarde" functionality of Sprite Backup, but for that to work, you will need to make an image of the machine with the new rom I believe, and without anything installed. (but for that you need to check the manual).
You should never restore a full backup, since you will be restoring parts of the old ROM in the process.
I only use Sprite backup as a fall-back in case of a problem with a Rom update.
Even if you select the "allow upgrades" option, it can overwrite some of the data that you have just changed in the upgrade.
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps........Later
quote="jofeuerstein" ]Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
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Here is how I see it: Any file that is not ROM-based will be pulled by Sprite Backup.
Even though a hard-reset will reload all the Extended ROM CAB files, they are still in the Storage/Program Memory and can still be replaced, deleted, etc. They are supplemental to the ROM files from the CE ROM core.
A good experience is when I upgraded to Build 3900 on my Extended ROM and restored a Sprite Backup file afterwards and noticed it went back to 3500. The BT*.* files in the Windows directory were backed up, and thus restored, overwriting the work done by the Extended ROM load.
The best thing to do is "move along" your backup file with your upgrades.
If you decide to recook your Extended ROM, upgrade CAB files or builds, then keep that upgrade CAB file handy to run again. I would highly recommend using a program such as OCP Software's WinCE CAB Manager to look into the CAB files you are replacing to see what files and registry entries get directly affected.
Bottom line method for me is 1. backup your PPC, 2. update the Extended ROM, 3. hard-reset, 4. restore the PPC, 5. reapply any new CABs from the Extended ROM, 5. rebackup the PPC.
By the way, the Upgrade works especially well when you have a new CE ROM that has new ROM files, such as Windows Media Player 10 (if and when it comes out). According to the instructions on Sprite's site, you run the Upgrade utility on the clean (hard-reset) image with the OLD ROM, perform the upgrade, then restore your backup WITH the Upgrade Data.
Thank you. Sounds very logical. A complicated process, but it beats reconfiguring the MDA after an Update by several hours ...
Good that all the people who envy us for our "MDAIII" don't know how much time we waste getting these machines to work ....
hdbueller said:
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps......
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you mean copy the "program files" folder to SD-card and the load it back ? or how :?:
You can copy all the CAB files from the C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync folder onto the SD card for safekeeping, or look for a program called CabBackup, which has been proven useful in many a situation.
I'm just starting to get into the depths of my PDA2K and this site is GREAT!!!!!!! Since I'm just one step up from "The Village Idiot", I have a couple questions for all you pros.
After reading about using the extended ROM, and unlocking it and seeing what's in there, I think I've figured it out. Whatever CABs are listed in the config file will be installed upon a hard reset....correct? If true, and since I have only 3.5MB left in Ex ROM, can I put the other CABs I wanted installed in say /storage/CABs, list them in the config file and upon a hard reset they will be installed? Is there any reason to put them into Extended ROM rather than Storage? Is it alright to put CABs in from like games, Resco Explorer, WebIS Mail, etc.? Lastly is there a way to set the programs up where I don't have to go back and enter all the registration numbers again?
Thanks a ton for your help!!!
Tom
In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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is it possible then to keep the installation cabs on storage card,
and also, can that path be set in the config file in ext rom?
what happens if a particular cab is not found after hard reset?
is the installation stuck or it just gives a warning and keeps on going to the next cab listed in the list.
Have a read of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=83119#83119
It might be a bit to deep but should help you along the way.
1) You can keep a cab anywere you want
2) make sure your cab is read only as it can delete itsself after install.
3) to run a auto install from a differnet storage place you need to hack the reg (see thread).
In all if you have a sd card you could leave your EXt rom empty.
Hack the reg to the new postion and run the Autorun from there.
Have fun
Thanks for all the infor everyone! From what I've read in other threads I need to make sure that TPdisabled is set to off so that when programs like WebIS Mail and SplashID get installed I can touch the screen to make sure they install into the right place and other things. Correct? If this is correct, should I just remove TPdisabled all together?
Thanks again,
Tom
TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
MDAIIIUser - Thanks for the link! I looked at it and you're right, it's pretty indepth and I'll have to read it more closely at a later time....like at work.
Question1: leochan2005 had a follow-up saying "why not use backup"? While I agree this would be easier, I'm assuming that by using your method one would get a much "cleaner" install than backing up all the crap that was on the system prior to the hard reset...correct?
Question2: It took me a long time to get my TMo settings setup on my PDA2K and I don't want to go thru that again. Is there a way to backup those settings so that they can be auto-configured at a later time? I read about making a personalsettings.CAB but haven't done it yet.
Thanks,
Tom
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TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
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Thanks! I take it it should be at the beginning of the config file so that I can access it. Correct?
q1)
Well the short of "why not use backup" is you can if you feel that:
1) Restoring Regedit values from a lower rom version
2) Restoring system applications form a lower rom version such as BT
are called for, wanted or even needed.
I fail to see that point as a upgrade is an upgrade and a backup is a backup. Now you could do a restore of your system data also (which you could also sync and that would be clean
Q2)
Most fo those settings are part of T-mobile.cabs found in Extrom, the rest would have been reg entries that you are going to have to hunt for and copy.
So sorry no way around reading the other thread (personalsettings.CAB)
MDAIIIUser - Maybe I should state what I'm trying to accomplish and you could give me a clue as to how to do it. A couple days ago I upgraded by BT on my PDA2K (generic from Expansys) to 1.0.0.3900 (or what ever the latest is) and I'm currently looking at upgrading my radio to 1.12, but that would require a hard reset. I'm not in the mood to go thru all the program installs and SMS/MMS tweaking again, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to get all my programs and configurations back after the hard reset. I thought by incorporating the personalsettings.cab (for my Tmo settings) and your method I would be up and running pretty quickly. Yes? I have Sprite Backup, but I'm not sure if that's going to overwrite anything after the radio upgrade????
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Well my logic (that could be wrong) would say that a restore of your backup would get you to were you are now.
That you would need a restore as you have to do a hard reset after the 1.12 radion install.
But I can't answer the question will the radio be restored as well,
I don't know, I don't know the settings in the backup application, so am sorry I will have to let somebody else answer this one.
ok guys i have a lil problem and i hope you'll help me to solve it...
recently ive upgraded my 9090 to wm5 and ive made a backup using sprite software... however im not able to force that piece of software to restore my inbox and contacts on the new system... i have a fresh backup, made using wm2003 xBackup software and here goes the question...
is it possible to restore xBackup's backup file on wm5 (helmi 1.3.2)?
(the file is called CompactFlashBackUpPim)
No, you can't do it. The different versions of the OS store the data differently. You need to go back to 2003, activesync your contacts etc to your PC, upgade, then re-sync. I think the upgrade guide mentions this.
I always keep mine sync'ed anyway, so doing an upgrade is a very quick process. I also keep cabs on the SD card so I can quickly install everything.
and is it a way to see the data like appointments or contacts from that backup file?
Hi,
I'm looking for full backup (making image, like a ghost for laptop PC) software.
I've ever used SPB, but it was not full image.
I'd like to make a image backup file onto storage card or my PC through USB, then once my TyTN has some critical issue, I'd like to do image back.
Do you have any recommendation software?
Your advices I appreciate!!
i haven't come across anything for ppc .. only software that allows backups. would be nice to create image backup though.
I think Sprite Clone does what you are asking for.
I use BackupManager that allows me to create .exe full backups.
Take a look here.
http://www.sunnysoft.com/software.php?idarticle=245
Price is $20 but it's worth the price.
Have to do a hard reset? Fine, just execute the backup file and everything is back!
I'm VERY happy with it.
By the way, it's very quick and my backup is stored on the memory card.
Sprite backup appears to backup the entire filesystem (PIM, windows, all folders and even SD) to an executable file. It runs before the device boots so i guess you could use it to "image" your phone. I have made a backup of my filesystem but i haven't tried to restore it yet. If it works, let me know, its the only thing stopping me flashing (apart from waiting for the drivers of course!!)
I dunno if its free, it came with my o2 stellar (kaiser)
http://www.spritesoftware.com/sprite-backup/
Actually, it looks like it might be free
My AT&T Tilt came with Sprite Backup, which seems to do a full image. I ran with the stock AT&T setup for the first 30 days I had the Tilt, but installed a lot of stuff on top of that. When I tried hard resetting it, I was able to restore everything right back to the way it had been at the time of last backup - data, apps, settings, registry tweaks, so forth (I was trying out Sprite to be sure of what it was actually doing).
I've also saved Sprite *.exe backups to my Vista desktop, via USB (home premium 32-bit SP1), and my G4, OS X 10.4.11 powerbook, for that matter (via bluetooth file transfer), put them back on my Tilt's storage card, and run them from there - no problems (I do not have my 4GB card encrypted).
Sprite works well. Ive done restores successfully and you can get Sprite Explorer which runs on your desktop and allows you to restore single files from your image which is great.
Thanks for your information!!
Now I'm trying to use Sprite Backup. Looks nice.
This is the one I was looking for.
Thanks (^_^)v
hmm but does it take a picture of the os stack as well? Im wondering because i want to experiment with ROMs when my current rom is working fine (i know i know - dont fix what aint broken!). I found spb clone which looks like it would do it so im gonna give it a shot.
spb clone is my 2c opinion.
never used others.
I've used it several time to clone my phone to a friend of mine phone's.
result = wonderful!
I use sprite backup aswell and its the best iv seen so far but it doesnt work across roms. So if you made a backup on a stock rom, you cant restore that backup onto a different rom.
I want to try some new 6.5 ROMs but now I am happy with THDV3.55.
In more than 2 months I made a lot of customizations (files, registry and latest Opera 9.7 inside Windows directory). I installed a lot of applications (that need setup.. like TomTom, Skype, Fring, etc...) and I don't want do waste my time restoring all if I want to come back to this ROM after.
What software can I use to backup and then restore all files, setting and application (maybe I need a bit a bit copy?) if I want to revert to THDV3.55?
Thank you!
Sprite Backup ?
ReX83 said:
I want to try some new 6.5 ROMs but now I am happy with THDV3.55.
In more than 2 months I made a lot of customizations (files, registry and latest Opera 9.7 inside Windows directory). I installed a lot of applications (that need setup.. like TomTom, Skype, Fring, etc...) and I don't want do waste my time restoring all if I want to come back to this ROM after.
What software can I use to backup and then restore all files, setting and application (maybe I need a bit a bit copy?) if I want to revert to THDV3.55?
Thank you!
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First off as some who has already posted 29 times you should know that this is not the correct forum to post such a question. Should be in the General section. Also, if you had searched you would have noticed that one of the stickies in the General section is dedicated to SASHIMI, which does exactly what you requested!! Other software for backing up files include SPB Backup, Sprite, Resco.
Obviously if you plan to revert back to THDV3.55 you would need to flash this rom first.
In future try and abide by the forum rules. First and last warning.
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