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[IMPORTANT] Stop blaming the cooks!!!

Damn....
Please remeber one thing before posting in threads about a released ROM:
- it is HARD work
- it takes TIME lots of TIME
- cooks still have a JOB or FAMILY
- they do it for FREE
- they cook THEIR PERSONAL rom
- maybe they ask "What to put in" BUT it stays their personal ROM
- cooking, porting and releasing is a very HARD JOB
So if you like the work - tell them
If you have bugs - tell them
If you have improvements - tell them
BUT DON´T tell them that you don´t like the work
don´t write a another release thread "i take your rom because teh XXX sucks"
don´t blame a cooks WORK
Because that happened we lost:
Itje = sad about reaction
ttran = sad about reaction
They take a break because of some guys spitting on their work and bombing with PMs
STOP IT! Please!
We need people like Itje, ttran, ivanmmj, and all other developers and user here who are working
constructivly!!!
@ itje and ttran and all cooks: Please report posts blaming your work and I will delete them!!

Daniel(mopps): I agree 100% to what you said. People should request, that too in the forums. They should not PM the cooks and 'demand' something. Also, they should stop complaining about their ROMs. It requires a lot of hard work and hell lot of time. Making the ROM; debugging it; polishing it; testing it requires lot of patience and time.
They make the rom avaliable to us for free. They dont charge us anything. Then, why the fu** some guys yammer about the contents of the ROM.
Message to the guys who complain: flash back stock WM5/WM6 and install what you want from the forum. Dont complain

The problem is that people are more likely to complain if something is not working that be thankfull when it does. Bad thing imo.
I'm using ttran's ROM at the moment (being pretty new to PPC devices) and it works like a charm. (Already did this in his thread, but) Thanks a lot!

It's very disappointing that a lot of people come here just for the software, they don't read (no matter if they know how to read), they take everything as granted, they cry for things they don't see, then they blame the cooks, no respect for the free meals.
The internet made a lot of smart people, it made much more stupid ones too.
Thanks to the cooks especially Itje, I'm running his Touch-IT.
Thanks to duprad, a nice humble tutor.
Thanks to everybody who contributes to this forum.
Let's keep it alive, active, and fruitful.
Peace.

o crap the title need to be bold and the thread need to be sticky. This is a big problem the better the rom get the more the complaint. i only read this cuz i saw your name under it.

ivanmmj = hasn't released his WM6.1 yet so hasn't had the opportunity to get the "my mms isn't working" complaint yet.
Actually, my MMS is working, but I'm sure it won't work for someone.

Shame...I love the work of Itje (I fell in love with touch-it so i haven't tried any other custom rom).
Maybe is it possible if the cooks like it to use some development/bugtrack software. This way bug's don't get reported hundreds of times. Especially when $#%@$#%-users who don't read can be banned from the tool.
Right now the forum is flooding with: "I just ignored everything you wrote and now my device is bricked. It's your ROM and I am too lame to use the search function so help me"-posts. And that makes the useful posts harder to find.

Who needs mms???
I do like the work of the rom-cooks and would like to take the opportunity to say "Thank You for Your work"!!!

2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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Very sound advice.
Cooks:
Keep in mind - some poeple are never happy regardless of the case; you've just got to let that go. See those of us who appreciate what you do and tell you such.
I know that at least a few of the cooks mentioned has received a PM from me offering support and thanks for their work or thier comments in their threads.
ITJE - Love your stuff bro do what you got to do to get where you want to go and don't let anyone stand in your way.
Ivanmmj currently LOVING your CleanROM Final - looking forward to your next works . . . .
tran001 Loved and used your Open Touch series - keep up the good work!

just want to say for the record that i have complained to ttran before (during the rocky periods of very early versions of open touch). then i realized, i was an ass to do so. so i paypal'ed him 5 bucks (beer money) soon after. sorry about that ttran. lol, i think we moved passed it though.
when a scene grows you get more noobs. and "noobs" suck the life blood out of a thriving community. if you cant use common sense or a search button than you are a noob at using a computer.
there goes the neighborhood.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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I would say that this is a very good idea. It would take alot of the stress off of the chefs here.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...

papamopps said:
They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...
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I am an active open touch user so i can only speak from my thread interactions with ttran. His beta testers need to moderate and be the communication between the users and him. In theory he has them but in practice i do not believe he uses them like he should. Thats nothing bad on his part, he wants to be on the ground level with the end user as well. Which is ok, until it gets overwhelming - which it obviously has gotten. Cooks can still keep their secret and only deal with beta testers who will not know their secrets, if it is that imperative to them. I agree it is disappointing that this is and has happened. No one wins from this situation.

Ban those ungrateful, undeserving and disrespectful ************s.

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damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)

frozinwater said:
damn that both really left?? they were the f***** best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They did? Uh... that's not good...
That makes me the only active cook... maybe I should hold on to my current finished release until they come back. lol (that and I'm waiting on the graphics "department" to get me the graphics that I need.)

frozinwater said:
damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They didn't leave. They are just taking a break.

What a shame
This is disturbing news to this avid reader / member too. I am a junior member who has used several of ttran's roms (and gave him some beer $) AND am eagerly waiting to try ivan's cleanrom wm6.1 if he blesses us with its release.
I work in a very high stress I.T. environment with users making unrealistic demands all day long (but at least I get paid) so I can relate to wanting to take a break. Ttran and Itje are very valuable members to this forum! I read their posts on many different threads and appreciate all they do.
Other members and especially newbies - READ! READ! READ! Not of all my forum searches give me the answers I expect, so I search more and READ READ READ. Please do the same!

Why should i get a ATT Tilt?

Hello all i am new to the sight and to "smartphones" and im thinking about getting the Att tilt. But i have heard mixed reviews on the phone most dealing with battery life and other issues. I also am curious about the touch flo and how to make my screen look like an iphone but i have no idea how to do any of this stuff. So what im looking for is pros and cons about the phone and the best add ons to put on the phone. Please help me im a noob when dealing with smartphones/pda's and i NEED guidance.

sweet. Let me guide you right on up to the search function, right up there ^..
Or use either of the 2 linkings in my signature.
And as to why you should get a tilt, it's simple. Because you want one.

You should not buy a Tilt. You should not buy an iPhone. You should get a tin can and a string.
Rule #1, do not start meaningless threads, especially ones that have been hashed out 1,000 times already. Instead, search and then reply to someone elses "should I get a Tilt or iPhone" thread.

ChumleyEX said:
And as to why you should get a tilt, it's simple. Because you want one.
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Brilliant!
Dave

07tacoma said:
how to make my screen look like an iphone
and i NEED guidance.
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And as to why you should get a tilt, it's simple. Because you want one.
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Sounds like he wants an iphone.

Oh then maybe he can wait a little while (say 12 hours) to see if the Iphone2 is coming out.
DOH, still no keyboard or tilt function, which is Uber duber.

I hope you meet Kimbo Slice one day and he uppercuts you for making such a stupid thread.

ChumleyEX said:
Oh then maybe he can wait a little while (say 12 hours) to see if the Iphone2 is coming out.
DOH, still no keyboard or tilt function, which is Uber duber.
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I know for a fact after having my Tilt for the last few months, my next device will have a h/w kb as well.

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be careful doing a Google image search of the word yay at work. There are naughty bits.

I love how one asks a simple question and the rest of the community flames him. These are the types of answers that draws people away. You never know. That one person who you all are beeing so harsh on, might actually be the one to come out with real drivers for the tilt... Doesn't hurt to imagine....
Anyway to his answer: If you live in the USA then I would recommend the tilt. I personally find it the best phone out here but its not reccommended for the average user. The tilt does have a lot of problems though. One of the most noticable one is the camera, which moves tremendesly slow in low light condition but is real good if you have good lighting in your area.
Or you can wait till the new Xperia, Touch Pro to come to the US (which is what I'm doing, and yes I own a Tilt)

We mold men here, once we are done with this guy/girl, he/she will be a flaming machine that never has to ask questions.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.

starmena said:
which moves tremendesly slow in low light condition but is real good if you have good lighting in your area.
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Correction: the camera is = to **** with low light. My friends old ass nokia phone from 1943 took a clear cripst picture with low light vs. my "high tech" tilt in the same light. In fact, the picture didn't even exist cause it couldn't autofocus!

I also highly recommend the device. It's pros definitely outweigh its cons. Yes, as said before, the camera isn't good at all with low light. Touchflo just lets you scroll using your fingers and right now it went commercial to FtouchSL. If you want your device to look like the iPhone, look into iFonz.

i recommend you get this phone. i guarantee u wont regret it

ChumleyEX said:
We mold men here, once we are done with this guy/girl, he/she will be a flaming machine that never has to ask questions.
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Well said, LMFAO!!!!

Hi everyone. Should I get a Tilt, iPhone or pre paid? I like the tilt but can I get a Tilt on prepaid? My brothers friend has a cell phone and I like the way he uses it so I want a phone too. If I get a Tilt, can I flash it? If so, how do I do that?

grizzley said:
Hi everyone. Should I get a Tilt, iPhone or pre paid? I like the tilt but can I get a Tilt on prepaid? My brothers friend has a cell phone and I like the way he uses it so I want a phone too. If I get a Tilt, can I flash it? If so, how do I do that?
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have no doubts, get the tilt! yes you can flash it, after you get one feel free to come back asking the question "how do i do that", you won't regret it

KaiserVideoDriver said:
have no doubts, get the tilt! yes you can flash it, after you get one feel free to come back asking the question "how do i do that", you won't regret it
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But I am worried that my phone will be a brick. Can I send it to you in postal mail and have you do it so that it is fine?

grizzley said:
But I am worried that my phone will be a brick. Can I send it to you in postal mail and have you do it so that it is fine?
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you can send you phone to me, i'll flash whatever rom you want.
as far as the op trying to decide whether or not to get a tilt, i love my tilt, in fact i had an issue with it and when att offered me a "better" phone of comperable value(iphone and treo 750) as a replacement, i laughed and told them that if they ever insulted Lucy(my phone) again like that i would switch to t-mobile to get the front facing camera. as long as you have att you will be dissatisfied with them, but the tilt kicks ass. most people look at it and laugh when i tilt the screen up but when you use a phone that can't do that after three months with the tilt it almost hurts inside.
then again it's all a matter of preference, much more freedom with the tilt than the iphone, and if you really want the phone to look like the iphone, REALLY REALLY bad then clilck the link in my sig(my files) and it'll take you to the place to get the home screen and some decent apps to be more iphone-ish. best of luck hope you choose wisely

grizzley said:
But I am worried that my phone will be a brick. Can I send it to you in postal mail and have you do it so that it is fine?
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Who can resist helping you out, it's what we're into here in this lovely forum. Alas I'll be out of town for some time now but fear not I heard there's a member here who'd love to help free of charge his name is, umm cuboosh or something like that - man we can only wish we had something like "search" function here so we can look up existing posts - feel free to contact him anytime.
LOL... priceless mate, priceless...!!

Manila 2D Forgetaboutit Already

Manila 2D seems to basically slow applications down and be riddled with bugs and other tendancies that need to be solved and reprogrammed because it stinks. Skip the fact it wasn't orginally written for the Kaiser. It's still a piece of crap.
Why are the chefs (and more largely phone makers) so obsessed with this junk? It's not more efficient in most measures I think of. It's definitely slower.
HTC Home with Homeplug has most of the same capability and is more functional for most people's needs. Sure, you can put more apps on the Manila Programs page but so what....? I only use that page when I'm driving and my fat fingers can't control from the start menu. I don't plan on making Registry Changes while passing Granny in the RH Lane on my motorcycle so who cares?
Why has the benchmarking of ROMs dropped off with the loss of some of the Great Chefs of Kaiser's Past. Let's focus more on functionality and lose the fluff until the power of these phones can keep up with the fluff.
How many Manila 2D Roms have you seen with a benchmark test included with it lately?
Eggsactly....lol.

want some cheese with that whine?

Absolutely...
I prefer a sharp, hard cheddar with a Cabernet that I'll bring with me that will knock your socks into next week.
But you didn't even have an opinion on the matter eh?

Cooked into ROM
Actually hyper dragon's rom and many others with it cooked in it runs smooth. Installed I have noticed it runs crappy. But I don't think they should forget about it.....part of these forums purpose is to help people develop and use these developments to make our devices better.
So with that said please continue your work and forget about peoples comments that show disrespect towards that work.

powergator said:
But you didn't even have an opinion on the matter eh?
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i have nothing to say to people who protest against progress and evolution!

Run with the dinosaurs....You'll go far....
Not disrespecting anyone. Did you or any Kaiser Rom Chefs you know make Manila 2D?
Just offering an opinionbased on fiddling a bit with Manila on Hyperdragon and other Roms.

powergator said:
Run with the dinosaurs....You'll go far....
Not disrespecting anyone. Did you or any Kaiser Rom Chefs you know make Manila 2D?
Just offering an opinionbased on fiddling a bit with Manila on Hyperdragon and other Roms.
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Hyper runs fine for me Mr ignorance. Have fun with this thread.

we being humans like options..and thankfully for the chefs here we have plenty of it...
so we have loaded ROMS like garmin's DK, sakajati's hyper dragon, NATF base, etc
and well we have "fluff-free" ROMs like bengalih's BRR or notatreofan's NATF loaded, etc..
if you read the ROM descriptions, you should find what you need and if you do..please donate, rather than creating redundant threads!

From M2D, we got everything handy on the todays screen and accessible by a smooth GUI
At this moment, I think M2D is still not mature for Kaiser until it get landscape support. Unlike other PDA w/o keypad, the chance we have to work w/ landscape is far greater. Other than that, most functions work fine w/ a bit trade off on performance.
Therefore, I took out HTC home and made a M2D "ready" rom (instead of cook in), and give user the cab in case users wants M2D. But this is just me and other cook may think otherwise.

I resemble that remark, at times.... .
But, in this case, Mr Bradercrain, I would recommend a review of your remarks before throwing personal insults toward someone expressing a mere opinion about the direction that Roms are taking.
When you say your Rom "runs fine".....compared to what? A dinosaur??? I agree Mr Bradercrain. See what I mean?

more more more
Elisha said:
want some cheese with that whine?
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Oh I just love that line!
How about some curly crys to go with that waaaaaaaaaahhhhmmmmburger?
OH no. you're eating too much and we are going to have to call the wambulance!
my friend makes fun of me like this all the time.

powergator said:
Manila 2D seems to basically slow applications down and be riddled with bugs and other tendancies that need to be solved and reprogrammed because it stinks. Skip the fact it wasn't orginally written for the Kaiser. It's still a piece of crap.
Why are the chefs (and more largely phone makers) so obsessed with this junk? It's not more efficient in most measures I think of. It's definitely slower.
HTC Home with Homeplug has most of the same capability and is more functional for most people's needs. Sure, you can put more apps on the Manila Programs page but so what....? I only use that page when I'm driving and my fat fingers can't control from the start menu. I don't plan on making Registry Changes while passing Granny in the RH Lane on my motorcycle so who cares?
Why has the benchmarking of ROMs dropped off with the loss of some of the Great Chefs of Kaiser's Past. Let's focus more on functionality and lose the fluff until the power of these phones can keep up with the fluff.
How many Manila 2D Roms have you seen with a benchmark test included with it lately?
Eggsactly....lol.
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I think that the speed is not the most important thing here, I think that all the cooks that are spending so much of their time trying to offer something "NEW" to a somewhat boring platform should be Held in reverence not criticized for all their efforts. They do this work for FREE and I am greatful for everyone of them. Your post said how some "Great cheefs have droped off" maybe they were frustrated with complaints form people that are ungreatful and demanding. Our Cummunity has members from all over the world with offerings for and from every country. If you don't like Manila2D then find something else that you do like. If you go to the same restruant every day and order the same Cheeseburger day after day, then out of the blue you order the pork chops, don't criticize the cook because his Pork chops don't taste like a cheeseburger, Simply order the Cheesburger! If your still unhappy then maybe you should find another restaurant!!!
thats my 2 cents!
Ed...

manilla 2d is not bad but why cook in a rom while its still in beta
actually i find htchome tab more usefull
but manilla is awsome but i am bored of it
and samsung omnia rocks touchwiz is awsome screw htc
all i wish for is that not all roms have manilla
change a bit

home or m2d..i guess its upto the chef and his preference..
as for gentlemen who are not satisfied with the package, they have 2 options..
option one:
download a base rom
download cabs you want installed (try p1tater's and alltheway's 4shared folders)
use sashimi or uc to install them all after flash
option two:
B-Y-O-R

powergator said:
Manila 2D seems to basically slow applications down and be riddled with bugs and other tendancies that need to be solved and reprogrammed because it stinks. Skip the fact it wasn't orginally written for the Kaiser. It's still a piece of crap.
Why are the chefs (and more largely phone makers) so obsessed with this junk? It's not more efficient in most measures I think of. It's definitely slower.
HTC Home with Homeplug has most of the same capability and is more functional for most people's needs. Sure, you can put more apps on the Manila Programs page but so what....? I only use that page when I'm driving and my fat fingers can't control from the start menu. I don't plan on making Registry Changes while passing Granny in the RH Lane on my motorcycle so who cares? . . .
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Unlike some of the posts above, I'm not intent on deriding your opinion, and I think you have a point - although it's not the speed and the bugs that are the problem IMO because those will likely be solved by the great minds here. But for me, it's nicer eye candy than HTC Home, but I have tried both and gone back to the tried and true (for me) - I pack a lot more on my screen with Spb Pocket Plus and Spb Diary, Battery Status, WMA Phone Profiles, and Sun'n'Moon.
Seems to me that Manila 2D is an attempt to look pretty like the iPhone, but how does it increase the functionality of my WM6.1 PDA phone? Someone please enlighten me.

Then try Manila 3D | But u need Diamond or Raphael

and whats the point..??
someone weave this kid a basket for pointing out the obvious
matter of fact..knit him a sweater..its a bit chilly out

Well, point taken edbutler
edbutler said:
I think that the speed is not the most important thing here, I think that all the cooks that are spending so much of their time trying to offer something "NEW" to a somewhat boring platform should be Held in reverence not criticized for all their efforts. They do this work for FREE and I am greatful for everyone of them. Your post said how some "Great cheefs have droped off" maybe they were frustrated with complaints form people that are ungreatful and demanding. Our Cummunity has members from all over the world with offerings for and from every country. If you don't like Manila2D then find something else that you do like. If you go to the same restruant every day and order the same Cheeseburger day after day, then out of the blue you order the pork chops, don't criticize the cook because his Pork chops don't taste like a cheeseburger, Simply order the Cheesburger! If your still unhappy then maybe you should find another restaurant!!!
thats my 2 cents!
Ed...
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Ed,
I appreciate what you are saying here, and I will do just what you recommend.
I am merily trying to see if anyone else has noticed what I see. To consider whether other GUIs are beyond this beast that is so prevalent in the restaurant menu selections. I am a pioneer by nature.
But, I think the fun that was intended by me has made our more sensitive community members ruffle their feathers, instead of considering the merit of what I say.
But, thank you for your offering to me. You will see a donation to the chef that makes the next NON-Manila 2D ROM I select.
One closing comment to consider:
Most of those that have left did not leave because of anyone ungrateful for their effort. They left for faster phones. They left their little dinosaurs behind....
Eggsactly hang.tuah. We will join you soon my brother. You are a pioneer ahead of me. I was kind of disappointed about 4.7, but I understand!!

wow i think you r whole judgement is premature... my phone actually is running faster and smoother than its ever ran... im using darkforcesteam manilla rom and have yet to experience any freezing or lag.... and maybe if u headed over to the general dev. and hacking u would know and understand why it is still in beta... but in short the chefs here are great and put much effort to keep our phones on the cutting edge of technology. and i would suggest the next time u want to put out ur opinion do it in the general section after uve researched ur complaint and how the mast majority feels a little more... cuz clearly manilla2d is not about millaseconds of performance and its in beta cuz they are advancing it almost daily did u know that there is theme management now and compatible with almost all devices damn kinda hard to make final when this is so new and so many improvements are continually being achieved... and since this is a matter of opinion since ive put manilla2d on my phone with the amazing opal dialer ive never been happier with its functionality i cant stop scrolling through the darn thing
and this is why we love manilla 2D whens the last time u seen htc home look like this...
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if it is cooked into a rom it is one of the fastest of its type and if you haven't noticed this site is called xda-DEVELOPERS..... no kidding it is gonna have some bugs its a beta it is still being developed.
i guess i should welcome you to the DEVELOPMENT site?

You Need To See This!!!

CLICK HERE
I dont think I've ever seen anybody give such a biased review as this, this guy had my blood boiling for a moment.
Take a look if you dare and judge for yourself. Tell me if you can keep your composure...
Star Wars said:
Wow this guy is a dumbass!
I have seen lizards sunbathing give better reviews than this, then again this is the iphone blog so I guess I may have been expecting a little too much since peripheral vision with other electronic devices that aren’t Apple pretty much is non-existent, I guess he can be forgiven.
Great star wars theme impression tho!
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lol best comment ever!!!

who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.

jadephyre said:
who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.
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+1
Neither do I give a rats a** but its astonishing how someone can put out that piece of junk (only going as deep as the main menu) and call it a review.
Then again if it's a calculated scheme to increase number of hits to their site, then i guess they have succeeded, can't say if it's the right attention though.

Cant see why the fuss - the review was pretty sh*t but the phone looks like a bloater, its way to thick for my taste and makes my Touch look like its super thin. And his comments about the interface are true - in its pursuit to make eye candy HTC keep making it slower and more error prone. I would never buy an Iphone as i love the customization of the HTC but for your average phone user who does not want to learn anything at all the iphone gives them all they need.

I just can't stand Apple and their Marketing Tactics... they make it sound like they were the first to bring a Smartphone (which the iPhone actually isn't) to the Market that has a touchscreen... and Millions of fanboys actually fall in line and buy that crap.
I'm not saying that Apple Computers are crap, they're good at a few things too, chief among which is "looking good" but did the world really need that overhyped Phone ?

well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!

I could care less if my Phone was the size of a frickin' cinder-block as long as it does everything I want it to do... it does not have to be slim enough to slide it through underneath a Door.
I'll probably get me an HTC Opal next year or so, with Manila 2D... that thing will make me happier than any iPhone that will ever see the light of day.

What a fool!!!!
Holy **** he makes HTC Fuze makes the most ****ing piece of crap ever made! jajajaja i will make a video review for my hermes and it will be much better than that stupidity useless preview.... Holy **** this makes me hunger!!!

That was actually rather ridiculous. He does make some valid points as to WM's lack of finesse in some departments, but he really seemed to go out of his way to be child-like and/or a douche bag with that phone.
Yes, I tend to use a stylus with my Tilt because the screen seems to be purposefully fighting me, but it's not nearly as bad as he's making it out to be.

"The era of hard keyboards is over"
whatever, I think this review is totaly refering to the guys inteligence. He complains that he dont know how to use the sliding of the pics and music. How is that silly.

LOL
The music of "star wars" is hilarious!!
Hahahaha

origins81 said:
well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!
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Which is funny, because the Samsung Instinct has the same features/layout as the iPhone.

orb3000 said:
Sorry to disagree with you but that´s not true, hard keyboards will never be substituted, just wait a few months and you´ll see what´s coming...
Respectfully,
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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.

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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.
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Ohh I´m sorry, my mistake
Cheers,

Wow, that is truly a slap on the neck. He just could be the most annoying thing ever with that introduction. It's a rather childish review if you ask me.

That idiot with his comments is one the biggest stupidities i've seen in my life. If his brain capacity is not high enough (or there at all) to manipulate a pocket pc, he should have never blame it on the device and get himself a Motorola Startak (with the Manual Book and Quick Reference Guide of course!!).

Haha! I bet he still uses it.

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he touches the screen like a cat scratching a tire

the guy is like woody allen reviewing a phone

well, he does have ONE point, the "smoothness" of the phone isnt all that great, coming(him, not me) from the iphone, you shouldn't have to wait for your touch to take effect, for example when he is trying to navigate in HTCalbum. stupid qualcomm CPU's. I'm not buying another htc phone until they use a different processor, I was ALMOST fooled with the TouchPRO, until I saw some videos and heard some input. in some ways its worse and slower than the kaiser.
We need an HTC phone that is as fast as the iphone or faster. I'm really surprised HTC hasn't tried to compete speed wise, it really amazes me...
o, but anyway, about the video.
Yeah he kinda sucks at reviewing. And it's obvious he is a noob to TouchFLO3d lol. he's not grabbing the current tab, he's just sliding on other tabs.

6.5 available for HTC Kaiser?

Hi all,
Very quick one. Is there a WinMob6.5 ROM available for the Kaiser (known by me as the Vodafone v1615)?
Thanks in advance
Jamie

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520683

jamiekt said:
Hi all,
Very quick one. Is there a WinMob6.5 ROM available for the Kaiser (known by me as the Vodafone v1615)?
Thanks in advance
Jamie
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WM 6.5 has not been officially released by M$ yet and when it is, it will not be available for the Kaiser.
But waiting for M$ and HTC to improve our phones is not why we are here, go here to unlock your phone and then take advantage of the many " custom 6.5 roms " available in the rom development section

Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.

I guess we're mellowing with age. . .
ChumleyEX said:
Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.
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I agree with your point. That one showed a decided lack of effort.

ChumleyEX said:
Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.
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How is the flaming going over at the ** choke ** choke ** iPhone support forum ?

I don't really do anything in the Iphone forums, there isn't a site anywhere near as good as this one for the iphone.
There are a few things I miss about the tilt but I do like the iphone.

nice post, search first man.. there is a ROM threat for you

jor3l said:
nice post, search first man.. there is a ROM threat for you
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ummmmm, what's a ROM threat? Sounds kind of scary...

Give the guy a break
I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.

Slaybells said:
I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.
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I have to agree with you. I love to research, but it can be a daunting task with all the threads and possible roms available for your phone. Then finding a radio that works well for everything, if you are lucky.
I have spent the last few days looking at different roms and radios, with my wife asking "What are you doing that takes that long?" If she only knew that I could brick my phone and be forced to buy a new one to experiment on LOL
But, hey it can be addictive to get it just the way you like it.
Al

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Wrong........wrong........wrong.........!
This is not McDonalds, this is not Harrods, this is not HTC tech support. The whole point of this site is to " serve " no one.
This is a library, a vault of WinMo and HTC knowledge. When you walk into a library for knowledge on the Hong Kong economy, you don't walk upto the librarian and say, ".........gimme all you've got on world enconomy, I' ll be sitting over here waiting. " Nor do you announce at the door, to all others there , what you are looking for.
The librarian points you in the right direction and you go and search and read, and read and search until you are able to go into work and say, " boss, here is my proposal on our expansion into the Hong Kong market, make me lead on this account. "
No one is paid here to help anyone. When people do help, it is out of the goodness of their hearts and their desire to share their " hobby " with you.
They are not here to serve anyone anything.
If you have neither time nor the desire or the " OCD focus " then leave your phone alone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45

Well said as always
denco7 said:
Wrong........wrong........wrong.........!
This is not McDonalds, this is not Harrods, this is not HTC tech support. The whole point of this site is to " serve " no one.
This is a library, a vault of WinMo and HTC knowledge. When you walk into a library for knowledge on the Hong Kong economy, you don't walk upto the librarian and say, ".........gimme all you've got on world enconomy, I' ll be sitting over here waiting. " Nor do you announce at the door, to all others there , what you are looking for.
The librarian points you in the right direction and you go and search and read, and read and search until you are able to go into work and say, " boss, here is my proposal on our expansion into the Hong Kong market, make me lead on this account. "
No one is paid here to help anyone. When people do help, it is out of the goodness of their hearts and their desire to share their " hobby " with you.
They are not here to serve anyone anything.
If you have neither time nor the desire or the " OCD focus " then leave your phone alone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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That Kyphur post should be permanently displayed above the main menu.

Word!!!
In all honesty, the OP could have just gone into rom development and seen a bunch of WM 6.5 ROMS, there would not have been days of eye burning search's.
The fact is this. You are an idiot if you don't take the time to educate yourself on the things you want to do. You owe it to yourself and your wallet to make sure you fully understand all of the things you need to know before bricking the thing.
As one of you posted, I too was scared during my first flash, I read the same posts over and over and over and over, until I felt like I understood what was going on..
Yes it's hard to search sometimes but the more stupid threads are opened the harder it gets, hence
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denco7 has hit the nail on the head!!!
+1 million points to denco7!!!
it really is not about going through "a rite of passage" when a noob gets flamed...the flaming is to drive home a point...and the point is that the time you spend reading and researching is an investment that will save you from mistakes and future troubleshooting and it will save you from bricking your very expensive device (which is a natural fear) in the worst case.
"god helps those who help themselves"

Slaybells said:
I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.
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As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...

donkidonki said:
As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...
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The problem is that you don't have to sweat blood & tears for a question as simple as looking @ ROM development, noted if you can see the STICKY @ the top then you can probebly see bellow too?
Most of the common users see @ least 5+ posts a day that could have been solved via a simple walk in the park not a dig in the graveyard.
We are not here to persicute "flame" noobs just to help them if they have done the required searching for ones self, they learn nothing by being spoonfed except to be more spoonfed.
denco7 you hit the nail on the head a.p.u

donkidonki said:
As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...
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the main question for this thread was something trivial and showed that noone even attempted to look. The answer was out in the open and if it were snake, someone would have been bitten.