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Does anyone have Windows Live working correctly on their Tilt or TyTn II????
UPDATE 01/15/2008
Ok I am resurrecting this issue as I still can not get any version of Windows Live to run reliably on my Tilt! Does anyone have a .cab install of WL (any version) that pushes Hotmail consistently????
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I have been trying to get Windows Live working on my Tilt for the past 72 hours and I am totally stumped.
I have been able to sync my email, contacts and even log on to messenger, but for some reason Windows Live keeps getting stuck in the Checking Internet connectivity step on the sync screen. When I soft reset my Tilt, WL will keep saying Checking Internet connectivity until I force a send and receive. It then throws up a sync error (with no error message), but appears to successfully sync. Then it sometimes pushes email as it should for a few minutes, but then gets stuck in Checking Internet connectivity again.
I had this issue running the stock HTC ROM and austinsync's BigStorage w/ PIE fix ROM on my Tilt. I have used the At&t connection settings from HTC Connection Setup tool both Media Net (w/ and w/ out Proxy) and ISP.Cingular. I have also used a Cingular Network Cab file that I used with my 8525.
All other applications are getting internet connections no problem (including Live Search - the mapping program).
I have tried messing with the GPRS Always on Reg tweaks [ HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-}\Connections\|gprs connection name (my Isp/MediaNet} \AlwaysOn = 1 (DWORD decimal) ] , but that has not fixed the problem.
I have tried WL versions 10.6.0033.600 and 10.6.32.2100 along with whatever version came on the HTC stock ROM.
Does anyone have Windows Live working on their Kaiser??? If so, what Device, ROM, and Carrier are you using??
So no one has Windows Live working correctly on a Kaiser????
I have been using WL version 10.6.0033.600 on my Hermes with no problem at all. I even spent the last hour pouring over the registry of my 8525 and comparing it to the Tilt, but I could really use some help looking for a solution.
mines is working.. I'm using a Kaiser with BigStorage w/ PIE fix ROM with T-mobile service.. It was working with stock rom also.. I've used stock windows live and Windows Live 10.6.32.2100.. both worked fine.
So WL is working fine on T-mobile(US??). I am really starting to think this is an issue with the At&t network/proxy.
Anyone on At&t network have WL working correctly??
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By working correctly, I actually mean Pushing emails as they arrive. I am able to manually pull emails down, but I am trying to get the WL push email functionality working on the Tilt over At&t.
I am using build 10.6.32.2100 on AT&T with a Tilt and everything including push email is working for me. I am running the HTC ROM.
rkorzuch said:
I am using build 10.6.32.2100 on AT&T with a Tilt and everything including push email is working for me. I am running the HTC ROM.
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Did you use the HTC Connection Setup tool to configure your network settings, or enter them manually? Also, are you using the proxy or is it disabled?
njmarchetti said:
So WL is working fine on T-mobile(US??). I am really starting to think this is an issue with the At&t network/proxy.
Anyone on At&t network have WL working correctly??
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By working correctly, I actually mean Pushing emails as they arrive. I am able to manually pull emails down, but I am trying to get the WL push email functionality working on the Tilt over At&t.
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If you look through these forums, there's a pretty long thread of people who have issues with their device not waking up to pull down emails.
In short, if you turned off your screen by tapping the side power button (instead of letting the screen turn off on its own), the device will not reliably wake up for either timed email pulls or push email.
I discovered this with push Hotmail - never had a successful push with the device manually hibernated, but push worked fine if the device was on.
I stopped using Windows Live because it had LOTS of issues when the device was in an area with bad/no coverage, it would make my Tilt EXTREMELY sluggish and unresponsive with that little color wheel appearing every few seconds if I had login information recorded and the phone was not in good coverage. Windows Live even pulled the phone out of flight mode to try and make a connection at least once, I wouldn't want that happening on a plane!
I let the network wizard setup the connection but edited the ISP connection to use the wap.cingular access point. Windows Live works for me with either the medianet w/ proxy or the isp connection
Yeah WL is definitely not the most reliable application to begin with, but I finally had it working like a charm with my 8525 runnning vp3G's ROMs.
Now on the Tilt I can't even get it to push email when the device is on and has a full connection.
The fact that WL is constantly stuck in the Checking Internet Connectivity step leads me to believe that there is some issue with WL opening up my Data connection on the Tilt. I have absolutely no issue connecting with PIE or Live Search.
Unfortunately I use Windows Live to manage all my emails and contacts, so I am pretty much stuck with trying to make it work on the Tilt or take it back.
I have the stock rom for the tytn 2, nothing altered, and my WL works without any problems when set as push mail and disdplay as full html format, if using it in hotmail, the ppc will default it to a simplified version.
kms
Windows Live Search working fine on my Tilt reflashed to HTC on ATT
I am also having the problem with it grabbing my email as it comes in.
RacerX10 said:
Windows Live Search working fine on my Tilt reflashed to HTC on ATT
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same here. no problems.
WL is not even letting me log on! It says my user name or password is incorrect and its not because I checked by logging on in hotmail.com on my desktop.
just to clarify, I am having connection problems with Windows Live, the hotmail/messenger application, NOT Live Search the mapping application available from wls.live.com .
I have been having much better luck with Push email coming through since using the Connection Setup tool again to reset my network settings and disabling the Media Net proxy. Hopefully this keeps up tomorrow.
is it possible to have window live to push FEW email accounts at the same time?
CorruptedSanity said:
WL is not even letting me log on! It says my user name or password is incorrect and its not because I checked by logging on in hotmail.com on my desktop.
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is this in the push mail message section, did you set it up manually or automatic?
either way it's won't work, even if you put in all the correct settings. You will need to go into the start/program then click the windows live icon and set up from there and have ticked the sync email, once completed setting, you will need to log into msn messager, then soft reset afterwards.
now window live hotmail should show up in the push mail section.
after many trys and error, i can confirmed it works for me.
hope this helps.
kms
All I did was select the WL icon and then log on.
Im not sure what you mean by sync mail and so on.
Ive done this:
Start > programs > windows live (icon) > clicked on Sign in to Windows Live > Accept user agreement (I do) and then at the screen where I need to input my user and password I get the error about mismatched username and/or password.
The Options and Account options menus are grayed out (not able to select).
I get this error
Sign-in Failure
Either the user name or the password you entered is invalid. Please try again.
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@CorruptedSanity
I metioned this in another thread, but are you sure you have the correct keypad layout?
For example if you have a Tilt and flashed an HTC Rom, your keyboard layout will not match the letters/symbols printed on your keyboard. The same would be true if you flashed a TyTn II with a Tilt Rom. You could check by typing your password into pocket Word and making sure it is correct.
The only other thing I can think of is to make sure your date and time is set correctly. Windows Live has some issues logging on if the date and time on your device do not match the WL Server.
What ROM are you running?
Did not flash my rom! Straight out of the box TyTN II (unlocked).
Ive been typing a whole lot and nothing seems out of place.
How do I know which time WL is on?
How do I check which rom im running?
I have the Tilt and I was wondering is their anyway I can have both Media Net and Balckberry running at the same time? Everytime i am messages or browser the web my bb disconnects. Any way around this?
No, the Tilt can only connect to one APN at a time. MediaNet or blackberry.net
eh? so if i were to use ONLY the bb connect service for email, i'll get disconnected from browsing etc every time an email gets pushed out to me?
another question. i'm currently pulling down 4 pop3 accounts into their individual email "folders" on my tilt via default pocket outlook polling setup. can blackberry connect do the same with regards to different "folders" / account?
eg: shove different account emails to their respective outlook folders vs all in one bucket?
i had a 7200 series blackberry *years* ago using bb internet service and regardless of how many accounts you pulled down it all got dumped into the same bucket so to speak. there was no easy way to differentiate between biz critical vs personal emails at a glance.
?? so far i havent been able to find any helpful info re bb connect online yet.
mujomojo said:
eh? so if i were to use ONLY the bb connect service for email, i'll get disconnected from browsing etc every time an email gets pushed out to me?
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No, it's the other way around. Whenever something else grabs the data link, BBConnect goes into suspend mode and will reconnect when it's released.
mujomojo said:
another question. i'm currently pulling down 4 pop3 accounts into their individual email "folders" on my tilt via default pocket outlook polling setup. can blackberry connect do the same with regards to different "folders" / account?
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I creates a separate folder for each e-mail acount. As far as I know, that's the only way it will do it.
how does it work Blackberry connect on the Kaiser ?
Do we need to install the Blackberry software ? (Blackberry connect 4).
Can we then browser the internet if my company pay for it ? (I had Blackberry connect 2 installed on an HTC Universal, I could read my emails and sync Calendar/notes/tasks but I never could browser the internet ...I never could make Black Connect 4 working on my Universal, so I don't know if I would be able to browser the internet with it).
Thanks a lot
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No, it's the other way around. Whenever something else grabs the data link, BBConnect goes into suspend mode and will reconnect when it's released.
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hrm .. not the best scenario especially if using gps via google maps or web browsing.
WonkotheSane said:
I creates a separate folder for each e-mail acount. As far as I know, that's the only way it will do it.
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speaking from personal experience using blackberry connect on your wm6 device?
thanks for the responses!
dizzy33 said:
how does it work Blackberry connect on the Kaiser ?
Do we need to install the Blackberry software ? (Blackberry connect 4).
Can we then browser the internet if my company pay for it ? (I had Blackberry connect 2 installed on an HTC Universal, I could read my emails and sync Calendar/notes/tasks but I never could browser the internet ...I never could make Black Connect 4 working on my Universal, so I don't know if I would be able to browser the internet with it).
Thanks a lot
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There are a number of threads of people posting their experience with BBC on the Kaiser. Browsing works, with some limitations. But also, its possible that your company's policies can restrict some BB functionality. It all depends on the config and the plans you have. But ultimately, you canbrowse the internet, you can get your email pushed to you. The biggest issue is the data connection issue described in the last couple posts. If you want more info. Search this forum for blackberry and you will find alot of testimonial expeirence in getting it set up and using it.
Personally, I found it to be too slow, too much of a memory and battery hog. I removed it within 2 days of installing it. And the difference in performance on the Kaiser and its battery is night and day IMO.
I use Seven's beta software now for my email pushing.
Thanks a lot for your infos !
I've been running it for a little more than a week.
Cons: I noticed that sometimes my appointments don't update on the Tilt when I move it on my desktop OL calender. You need to keep as few programs running as possible or it slows the device and the battery life isn't good. I like the BB keypad better. The Tilt wakes up with the screen dim and outside it is a real problem. I've had it lock up a few times and go so slow I needed to reset.
Pros: Best of WM and BB. The BB has a poor PIM so using PocketInformant again is very nice. 3G for browsing. The disconnect-reconnect is automatic so it isn't a problem for me.
I haven't made up my mind if I going to go back to my 8800. If I wasn't using BES (corporate email) I wouldn't use the BB but that isn't my choice.
Regards-Michael G.
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how does it work Blackberry connect on the Kaiser ?
Do we need to install the Blackberry software ? (Blackberry connect 4).
Can we then browser the internet if my company pay for it ? (I had Blackberry connect 2 installed on an HTC Universal, I could read my emails and sync Calendar/notes/tasks but I never could browser the internet ...I never could make Black Connect 4 working on my Universal, so I don't know if I would be able to browser the internet with it).
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Yes, you need to install BBConnect. You want BBConnect 4. I understand that HTC makes it available on their website for Kaiser. I got mine through AT&T on a Tilt, so it was a little different. One quirk, if you got your Kaiser in North America, you have to figure out if it came from Europe or Asia to register on the HTC site. One of the major improvements in BBConnect 4 is it will suspend the blackberry connection if you access the internet using a non-blackberry browser.
You can browse the internet one of two ways. When you install the blackberry software, it also installs the blackberry browser. It will be in the blackberry folder in the programs folder. This goes through your company's system to the internet. This won't interrupt your e-mail, but the blackberry browser is rather weak.
The other way is through any other browser. However, you have to have the APN for your provider programmed in. Your provider's web site will probably have that information. Unlimited data usually comes with a blackberry data plan. So, if you can get your company to pay for a plan, that should get you internet access, even if you don't go through your company's BES system.
mujomojo said:
hrm .. not the best scenario especially if using gps via google maps or web browsing.
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That's true. You have to be careful to avoid programs that suspend bbconnect constantly.
mujomojo said:
speaking from personal experience using blackberry connect on your wm6 device?
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Yes. It's running on my Tilt.
Regardless of where your Kaiser or Tilt came from, you can follow these links to the software needed to install it, if you want it.
http://www.america.htc.com/mobile/connect/8925/
http://www.america.htc.com/connect/8925/
You need 2 pieces (get one from each link above):
1. You need the Blackberry Connect software that installs on your Kaiser/Tilt. It's a .cab file. (first link above)
2. You need the Blackberry Connect for Windows Desktop software that installs on your PC. It's a .exe file. (second link above, halfway down the page)
There's also a help file at the bottom of the second link.
WonkotheSane said:
Yes, you need to install BBConnect. You want BBConnect 4. I understand that HTC makes it available on their website for Kaiser. I got mine through AT&T on a Tilt, so it was a little different. One quirk, if you got your Kaiser in North America, you have to figure out if it came from Europe or Asia to register on the HTC site. One of the major improvements in BBConnect 4 is it will suspend the blackberry connection if you access the internet using a non-blackberry browser.
You can browse the internet one of two ways. When you install the blackberry software, it also installs the blackberry browser. It will be in the blackberry folder in the programs folder. This goes through your company's system to the internet. This won't interrupt your e-mail, but the blackberry browser is rather weak.
The other way is through any other browser. However, you have to have the APN for your provider programmed in. Your provider's web site will probably have that information. Unlimited data usually comes with a blackberry data plan. So, if you can get your company to pay for a plan, that should get you internet access, even if you don't go through your company's BES system.
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Thanks a lot for these informations, that's everything I needed to know !
jomo25 said:
Regardless of where your Kaiser or Tilt came from, you can follow these links to the software needed to install it, if you want it.
http://www.america.htc.com/mobile/connect/8925/
http://www.america.htc.com/connect/8925/
You need 2 pieces (get one from each link above):
1. You need the Blackberry Connect software that installs on your Kaiser/Tilt. It's a .cab file. (first link above)
2. You need the Blackberry Connect for Windows Desktop software that installs on your PC. It's a .exe file. (second link above, halfway down the page)
There's also a help file at the bottom of the second link.
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Thanks a lot for these links !
I been reading other threads and i cannot find an answer. I even called att and they were no help.
I installed the windows live for windows mobile version 10.6.0034.0800 fixed.
When i'm using this messenger, how i'm being billed. Data? or Text message?
I have a unlimited data plan, so i'm hoping i'm not being charged per message. Can anyone help me with this question.
Thanks
The Tilt has Oz Messenger on it which has WLM, AOL, and Yahoo which connects via their phone network and it counts as SMS for every message you send/receive. With the Windows Live Messenger cab, it depends actually, if you are connecting through the ATT network then it's considered SMS but if you connect to the net Wi-Fi, no charges except whatever you pay for Wi-Fi (like pay hotspots)
Alemaker
I'm not using the oz messenger with the provided windows live. I'm using another version of the messenger that i found in another thread.
10.6.0034.0800 fixed. version
best way to go then. The Oz Messenger only connects through the ATT network whereas the Windows Live Messenger cab you installed can use either the ATT network or Wi-Fi.That's what I'm using also. Here's another little catch. If you connect using the ATT network(which is then an SMS for each message) if you start a conversation with someone internationally, you are charged international text rates.
Found that out the hard way when a friend in Germany started a convo with me!!
Alemaker said:
With the Windows Live Messenger cab, it depends actually, if you are connecting through the ATT network then it's considered SMS but if you connect to the net Wi-Fi, no charges except whatever you pay for Wi-Fi (like pay hotspots)
Alemaker
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Seriously? I assumed the live messenger cab would use the data connection, not SMS. Does it really send via SMS when on network and wifi when off?
Alemaker said:
best way to go then. The Oz Messenger only connects through the ATT network whereas the Windows Live Messenger cab you installed can use either the ATT network or Wi-Fi.That's what I'm using also. Here's another little catch. If you connect using the ATT network(which is then an SMS for each message) if you start a conversation with someone internationally, you are charged international text rates.
Found that out the hard way when a friend in Germany started a convo with me!!
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Well....
I'm screwed, thanks for your help.
anyone else ?
Unless they changed it really recently, I tested it-on ATT=SMS, I barely text anyone and when my friend I.M.'ed me from Germany, all those showed on my bill as international SMS-on Wi-Fi=no charges
That's why I dumped Oz Messenger
are you still using the windows messenger cab?
Yup I'm using the exact one you listed. I just try not to use it while I'm on the ATT network cuz I only have the 200 message plan but it doesn't matter to me as alot of times I'm in a area with Wi-Fi so I just disconnect the ATT data connection and connect via Wi-Fi
gai-jin said:
Seriously? I assumed the live messenger cab would use the data connection, not SMS. Does it really send via SMS when on network and wifi when off?
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It's easy to check,
Just start a conversation with someone using Windows Live Messenger on your phone and write down the exact time and date then check your next bill. All data and texts are time stamped on the bill.
Alemaker said:
It's easy to check,
Just start a conversation with someone using Windows Live Messenger on your phone and write down the exact time and date then check your next bill. All data and texts are time stamped on the bill.
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So as long as i use wifi i dont have to pay right?
and how do u disconnect the att connection?
correct; and just click on the 3G or Edge icon and a small menu will show up with a disconnect option button, if you are using a cooked ROM, then open Comm Manager directly and disconnect the data connection.
Alemaker said:
correct; and just click on the 3G or Edge icon and a small menu will show up with a disconnect option button, if you are using a cooked ROM, then open Comm Manager directly and disconnect the data connection.
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K....
Thanks
Windows Live using SMS?!? I don't use MSN messinger very often, but I don't remember it using SMS, it uses data.
the version of the messenger that i have i believe is the one the one that comes with the new windows mobile 6.1. I know that the messenger that came with my tilt uses sms messages instead of data. I guess i will be using OCTRO TALK.
Any other messenger suggestions?
GWelker62 said:
Windows Live using SMS?!? I don't use MSN messinger very often, but I don't remember it using SMS, it uses data.
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As this seems to need clarification, I spoke with ATT data tech support and per ATT, when you use an I.M. client directly ( not going to the net and using a web based I.M.) it is billed as I.M. which is text.
If you connect to the net with MediaNet and then go to WL Mobile website or Yahoo website etc. and use I.M. web-based, it is data, but directly connecting with the WLM cab or the proprietary Oz I.M., it is billed as text even though it uses the MediaNet connection.
ATT Tilt here and using the latest WL (10.6.0034.0800 fixed) and .0600 before it. On an unlimited data connection (PDA Personal Max I believe).
I use it regularly and never see any text message usage - I have read numerous postings that back that up? I'm not saying I don't believe what Alemaker is saying, I just find it hard to believe. I've just never had it use my text messages and neither have any of the other folks in my office (7 of us here with Tilt's and all using with IM).
NOTE - If you use the built in OZ IM, yes it will use sms text messages. This is not Windows Live though. It is an app that allows you to connect to the major IM networks. WL is designed to use an internet connection (IE Data, Wifi, etc.).
That's fine-I have seen billed as text them from international I.M.'s and to be honest, the CSR's at ATT gave me conflicting answers themselves, one said data, one said text and one even said billed same as e-mail(data). So that's why I contacted data tech support. And if it truly does turn out to use data-all the better. Just stating what I have seen. I don't I.M. mobile alot to begin with but just I.M.'ed someone using the WLM cab app and will look at my next bill
TCreed said:
I use it regularly and never see any text message usage - I have read numerous postings that back that up? I'm not saying I don't believe what Alemaker is saying, I just find it hard to believe. I've just never had it use my text messages and neither have any of the other folks in my office (7 of us here with Tilt's and all using with IM).
NOTE - If you use the built in OZ IM, yes it will use sms text messages. This is not Windows Live though. It is an app that allows you to connect to the major IM networks. WL is designed to use an internet connection (IE Data, Wifi, etc.).
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I agree... What the others are saying about Windows Live Mobile (replaced Mobile MSN) I can't agree with. Windows Live syncs my Hotmail and has a mobile MSN messinger client. And so far I haven't seen it use SMS for IMs.
knight2424 said:
I been reading other threads and i cannot find an answer. I even called att and they were no help.
I installed the windows live for windows mobile version 10.6.0034.0800 fixed.
When i'm using this messenger, how i'm being billed. Data? or Text message?
I have a unlimited data plan, so i'm hoping i'm not being charged per message. Can anyone help me with this question.
Thanks
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if you are using that version of WLM then i can garuntee you that you are using data and not text. There are several clients that support WLM including oz messenger that use texts, but the windows mobile version you described definitely uses data.
Hi all
I have BBconnect working on my HTC Diamond the Push mail works almos perfect (only with the issue of the 32kb of attacments), but the only way that I can navigate is in the Internet Browser of blackberry, I cant use Opera, also the weather plugin and other aplication like googlemaps or Messenger doesnt work with EDGE connection... recently I tried to set the connections in the network Management, the connection "My BlackBerry" for internet and for private network, also tried the HTChome patch, Registry mods, hard reset.. and almost everithig post in this forum...
My question is... It cant be done? did I miss something?
or someone has a magic procedure please somebody help me
note: Wiifi works for everithing
Note2: My provider is Telcel
thanks all
Nobody knows something to fix weather with BBconnect?...
Hi,
As Im still new user of x1 ( have it only couple of days), I have some problems that I need help with.
First of all , at my PC i use mozilla thunderbird for email client, but I believe it doesn`t exist for winmo 6 platform yet, so Im doomed to Outlook which actually I really dont like (at least PC version). If u have some suggestion for an email client , pls say so.
Nevertheless I tried configuring outlook and the point is , and I have also that problem with the Windows LIve Messenger, that when is connected through ActiveSync it can connect to mail and msn , and when Im on GPRS or EDGE , mail and msn doesn`t work. Just say the connection cannot be established.
But Opera and may other things work online, like google maps, gps and such.
Is there some special settings for it to work.
The other question is for PocketVNC users. I installed the server side on my pc and client side on my X1, and when I try to connect it says colors mode is not ok I should change to 8 bit in options.
But on client side there is no options or I cant see it....
Or would u recommend me some other software for remote desktop ?
Still have the big problems with the mail and msn settings.... can anyone help me ?
Whenever using internet over activesync it works, but when on GPRS/EDGE it doesn`t.....:S
For msn it says : There is a connectivity problem. Make sure you`re in a area with a good reception and try again.
It connects to my network, EDGE starting and then this message. Of course I have the best reception possible, signal at the max.
for mail it says: cannot connect with current connection settings.
Which is ridiculous cause its set up right for surfing, gps, irc client and remote desktop.
Just mail and msn doesn`t work.
Can u recommend me some other mail client if that could be the problem ....:S
thunderbird sync
http://www.google.dk/search?source=...pc+sync&btnG=Google-søgning&meta=lr=&aq=f&oq=
about your network only working when connected to activesync
then I'd say that your gprs settings are not set
you have to set ap and in some cases user name and password to access internet over your phone