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GPS without 3G/edge?

i bought a tilt yesterday and it is my first smartphone. I already flashed it to Dutty's v1.1. With my plan i rely on wifi so i didnt get any data plan.
Without 3g, edge, gprs how can i get GPS to work with my TILT that doesnt cost money?
Anyone want to help a noobout?? If you could teach me some stuff PM!!!

GPS does not cost money because it doesn't uses GPRS/EDGES etc - unless you install and run QuickGPS (or similar). GPS is only receiving freely available satellite info
QuickGPS is a service that helps the GPS unit get its first fix quicker and this uses the internet and hence GPRS/EDGE - but it is optional, so if you are prepared to wait a minute of two to get a good GPS fix, then GPS will not cost you a penny.

how do you get the free gps though?

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean by "how do you get the free gps though?". Because as Weasel said, GPS IS Free. Do you mean how do you get free software (i.e. TOMTOM)?

unk3 said:
how do you get the free gps though?
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You already have it, in form of your GPS receiver in your device. If you are wondering how you can get programs/maps to run your GPS with, well there is really just one option for you:
Buy some software! The market is flooded with GPS software, to name a few:
TomTom
iGo
Garmin XT
Destinator
MioMap
and so on...
If you had a data plan, you could use Google Maps in combination with your GPS (google maps is free).
Alternatively, if you are more about using your GPS functionality for hiking, off-road travel,... then I recommend:
GPSTuner 5.2 (excellent software for off-road)
Track-Me (You get this in the Kaiser > Kaiser forum. Great piece of software, and so far it's free)
Either way, you'll need software to make use of the hardware.
Hope this helps a bit.
H.

A good free option would be MGMaps, which uses stored maps and doesn't need to transfer data (however it can do it if you wish).

i guess what im trying to say is, Where can i download "MAPs" or the software that has maps for free.
I tried using googlemaps, but i can only use it when im in a wifi area lol

Tilt & GPS and Internet

Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.

GPS is free for using...having a program that usings GPS might not be free..such as tomtom garmin etc...there are going to be free programs such as googlemaps (correct me if i'm wrong)...but using the GPS is completely free and has nothing to do with the cellular provider.

GPS is free
Zaiaku said:
Within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'm planing on getting a Tilt. For all of you already having one I need some info. I've never had a GPS device or Cell phone with that capability so please inform me.
I'm really not playing on using the GPS feature maybe just to play around with and see how it works.
Do I need to have a GPS plan on my account to use this feature, I'm not going to need directions, I just want it to show my location on a map?
Am I correct thinking if I don't use Navagation (Get Directions) feature then its only using my Internet connection?
Can I use any GPS software on the phone?
I'm just trying to make sure I wont be charge for something that I really don't need, just want to try out to locating function here and there. I think it would be fun to have.
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You are pretty much correct.
To use "GPS" to connect to satellites to determine your location does not cost anything.
Applications like Google Maps and MS Live Search can determine your location and give you directions at no cost. They use your data connetion to download maps.
Other applications like Telenav (which you will have a link to download it on your Tilt) charge for downloading directions.
And other apps use pre-installed maps and do not require a data connection. These come in handy where reception is bad.

This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ).
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox

This is my first phone with these kinds of features, options and capabilities too Before this Kaiser..aka Tilt I had a Razor V3
You can disable your DATA connection through Comm Manager so it will never access or try to access your provider ( mines ATT/Media.Net)
I suggest doing that otherwise you'll find the charges on your bill and not even know you were using the service. Also you can block DATA through your provider and plan.
I did the 1 month free trail with telenav..it was ok but had problems and is slow since it's all server based ( you need a data connection!!). Plus it will cost you about $10 per month..unless you sign up for years then it goes down to around $5 per month...that was not " attractive" to me
I now use and have used for 4 months Garmin XT..its pretty cool and I drive alot ( 3k miles per month ). You dont need a Data connection BUT like all of em it's much bettr if you have one
If you dont have DATA you cant cash in on gas prices either ( as well as all the Online Xtras )..and who doesn't think of those prices these days. Also no data means noTraffic unless you use a seperate FM reciever of some sort..
Garmin's not perfect, none of em are, but it's pretty darn accurate It hasn't let me down yet. It has voice but does not say the street name in directions...I dont find that to be a problem. The map and route are clear and once you get use to it you should be fine without street names
Now if you wanna get some real cool media..like free cable TV on your phone that works very good when you have a data connection...lets talk about my Slingbox

I really don't need the GPS feature but would like to be able to try it out, mess with the trakking on it from a few projects I've seen. I rarely try some place to an area I've never been before so its not like I need the directions thing. The first thing I'll do is proably remove telenav from the phone just to make sure I don't accidently use it.
So aslong as I remove telenav, and I have my unlimited internet on my phone I should be all good.

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Looking for GPS program recommendations

I'm considering a GPS for the Tilt and am looking for some recommendations on what programs work well for some of you. However, I do not want one that uses ATT data since I'm wifi only have no use for the ATT data plan. On a side note I keep getting a message saying the current GPS software on the phone is out of date. This is the GPS software that came with the phone. How do I disable this and or remove the program to stop this annoying message. I unchecked tell me when software is out of date but I still get those damn messages.

The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.

gwnorth said:
The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill

Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.

FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Tomtom (and the purchased NAV programs that do not use internet data) have no monthly fee (you will however have to pay to update your maps - probably yearly)
I do not know how to turn off that notification - possibly look at add/remove programs and remove quickGPS?
Bill

whk said:
I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?

FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.

TomTom can be installed just like any other application, with a cab file. But the Maps are usually huge which can be loaded onto a Storage card. There is no monthly fee or data requirements but the initial price maybe expensive. (Not quite sure on the last line )
Regards,
Carty..

even still he is going to need a data plan or it is going to take him dumb long to get a fix with out quick gps. Unless he uses his wifi every 6 days.

Don't know about anyone else but im in the habit of leaving my Kaiser connected to my main PC when im not using it so it's always synced and quickgps just downloads the data then.
On a note about which GPS software to recommend, i'd go for IGO8 over TomTom.
To me it just seems a lot slicker even over TomTom 7.
Of course it doesn't come with things like Mapshare (which I can't get working yet for TomTom 7 even after reading the threads) and i've yet to work out how to download TomTom POI's from pocketgpsworld and convert them for IGO8 but I love tinkering with it and finding out how to do things.

Igo is just for the UK right?

gwnorth said:
So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
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AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill

ChumleyEX said:
Igo is just for the UK right?
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nope, i have used it with US maps before. went back to TomTom.

whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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In options, if you turn off auto-update and the reminder the data has expired, that should do it.
If he does like cotc2001 does and has it hooked up to a PC regularly, then leave the auto-download via Actice Sync checked to get regular updates when connected.

Tom Tom 6 and Google Maps Combination
If you're a newcomer or person who gravitate towards stability or functionality like me, you're better off with Tom Tom V6. It's extremely user friendly and very stable in most, if not all, cooked roms. Most other GPS softwares are not as functional, require tweaks and tricks to make it work, clash with other installed apps (ie HTC Home, etc). IGO 8, to me, is eye candy (similar to the eye-phone, lol), and a severe memory hog to the point it'll make your device reboot. The time it takes most people to get most GPS apps working correctly on their device might as well cook up several Diamond or Kaiser roms, lol, for that matter. Tom Tom V7 (I read) is good, but it's still relatively new and require tweaks as well. When it comes to GPS, it is, in my humble opinion, that a GPS app/software (PDA/PNA) should be stable, functional, user friendly, and more importantly it's RELIABLE. Believe that!!!.
If you want simple, clear cut, easy to read directions with/without voice, and stability ... Tom Tom 6 is the way to go and require no tweaking or editing of any kind like the others. I would also recommend the latest version Google Maps (require data plan) as well. It's a good combo and they compliment each other nicely.

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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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All the items in this path are unchecked. I'm still getting those stupid messages when I've told it not to notify me when updates are required.

whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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I have NODATA installed and running on the phone so I've disabled all connections to ATT Data. This does prevent me from accidently getting data correct?

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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?

FuSchnickens said:
That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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Not sure, my Tilt doesn't behave that way. Did you soft reset after unchecking them? The notifications is set by a registry key, so maybe it's not getting reset correctly?

After doing it I did turn it on & off ( soft reset). Can't I just uninstall this piece of &%$# quick gps? There's nothing listed for it under remove programs.

gps app and google maps?

is there a free gps app to use w/google maps?
i am not going to pay ATT montly for it.
im talking about iGO , tomtom , etc--but free.
this is on kaiser..
thanx

Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.

what would be one of those payware programs?
suggestions?

kilrah said:
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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I've seen a freeware proggy about that allows you to drop in map images i.e. lifted from google. But it would be limited to a single image and only simulate google maps until you ran off the page ... actually this would answer the question 'why did the ancients think the Earth was flat' !!

Which GPS app do you guys think is the best? Garmin, iGO, TomTom?

I would recommend dl'ing tomtom7 for the diamond. it's a "taster" edition where you need to dl voices & a single free city map. After you decide that you like it, you can buy full maps of the US & Canada, Europe, etc...

kilrah said:
Huh... Google maps is a GPS app...
Google maps is free, and will use the signal from the Kaiser's GPS, but the drawback is that you need an active data connection for it to work, and thus need a data plan or something which you'll have to pay.
Other programs don't require anything during usage, but you have to buy them in the first place. There's no free GPS navigation app that I know of.
So.. the matter is choosing between a free program but that you'll have to pay something when you use it (note you'll be able to take advantage of the data connection for the net etc as well) or a payware program that you pay for once and are then quiet with.
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after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx

amkaos said:
after checking out google maps, i see that it is an app..
you bring me to another question-- i dont want to pay ATT anything for GPS..
are you saying that if i use kaiser GPS, and i have unlimited data plan, att is gonna charge me their gps rates when i use it?
thanx
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No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.

LPChris said:
No, he's just saying that to use Google Maps or Live Search you need an active data connection, which means that you're paying for an unlimited data plan through AT&T or whoever your provider is. If you already have the data plan then you won't incur any further charges for using a GPS program.
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Just to add to your explaination...
The maps on Google Maps, and Live Search are updated/uploaded via a internet connection. They are not kept in internal memory. Hence the reason for having an unlimited data plan.

thanx for all replies.
it was late and i misunderstood what i read.
i got spooked about paying for google gps, somehow..
i understand now..
i think it worx really well for me, i dont have to know the exact address destination for it to work..
thnx again

GPS issue on AT&T Tilt [Please Help]

I have Tom Tom on my device and it was working great until recently when i blocked data on my account (I read somewhere here GPS doesn't use data) so now the GPS tracking doesn't work anymore. Is there a way to fix it or do i have to go put my data back on (and does GPS use alot of data so i have to purchase a plan?).
unlocked AT*T Tilt on Fido network

Now I don't know loads about GPS, but I do know that Assisted GPS (AGPS) uses data, and that helps you get a GPS fix by using pre-calculated information on a remote server. Though you are not using data to download maps if you are using Tom Tom, your GPS might have been using AGPS to speed up the time it takes for the GPS to locate you. As I mentioned though, I'm not super knowledgeable about GPS, so I might not be right. This is just a theory though.
Dave

Tom Tom use does not require a data plan for operation.
The tilt has a built in GPS chip so it does not require assistance (data plan) to find your location like some other phones.
However if you use any of the features in Tom Tom that require an internet connection like Tom Tom traffic, you will need an internet connection (data plan).
TW,

Tiger Woods is correct (I just wanted to say that like I actualyl know TIger Woods)... But seriously...
Tom Tom and a few otehr programs do not require you to use aq data plan as mentioned.. These programs store their maps on your device (well, usually the microSD card)... The TomTom US map is nearly 1 gb... The advantage with this type of program is that you do not need to be within cellular range for it to work.. and it doesn;t use data for map info... The bad pat is you have to have a 1gb map sitting there takign up room on your card...
Other GPS programs like MS Live Search, Google, and many others stream in the map info from your data plan via cell tower... The GPS part itself doesn;t need the data plan, but the programs that operate this way do... You could be using "A-GPS"... It stands for Assisted GPS and is called that because the towers stream the GPS location that they are and assists your phone in figuring outs its location... Luckily the Tilt offers both A-GPS and "True"-GPS... so you can use it either way...
I would suggest buying a copy of TomTom and using that as it is great.. uses the true GPS.. and if you have a 2gb or higher microSD card you should be fine.. I use an 8gb myself and have tons of software installed on it, music, movies, tomtom, and more...
Plus I have also found that I can use ORB on my phone using pIE and stream full screen video or music from my computer (if you are in a wifi hot-spot)...
I hope I was helpful.... and took some of the pressure off of Tiger Woods helping you.. that guy neeeds to concentrate on his golf game...

On a trip back from vegas I was able to leave my phone on airplane mode and use gpstoday to watch our speed.

Disable AGPS (Assisted GPS) and you will be fine. If you dont know how than use the built-in search to find a tool to disable it.

just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps

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just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps
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correct, before using tomtom, you should:
1) update quickgps and/or quickposition if you have them
2) open gps with gpstest or htc_gps_tool (However if you are using htc_gps_tool you must leave it open)
3) open tomtom (w/assisted gps turned off of course)
I usually have zero issues now finding a satellite within a few seconds.

I have Tom-Tom. A fast lock comes from the data plan and since you have it off, you go solely on the GPS driver AT&T provides. I think your issue is not that the GPS is not working, but the GPS is taking forever to get a lock. When I have the Stock crapy AT&T rom installed and turn data off; it takes 10 to 15+ minutes to get a lock (same goes for 3 of my friends here in southern California USA). I have no idea why AT&T screwed this up; I think the change was to help battery life. So to fix this, I have started by using cooked ROMs, and finally use my own cooked ROMs. With my current Rom I get a REAL GPS lock in less than 2 minutes. Also I have found -G-'s DK 10 Final rom also has an extremely fast GPS lock. And Hyper Dragon is also somewhat fast 3-4 minutes. Have you tried a different Rom?