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Need Task Switcher for WM6

Hi all. I am on the hunt for a decent Task Switcher app that will work with WM6.
I used to use Wisbar Lite and loved it but it looks yuck on WM6 as it forces the older (WM5 Close Icon)
What I need is Something that I can launch with a button and will show all the running apps in a pop up window and allow me to switches between them by tapping on an application icon in said pop up window.
And it must not change or add anything to the start bar.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Jules

pBar
have you tried the pBar application that is around on the forums? it's freeware and was based on the old wisbar. seems to work well, but i don't think i am using a full wm6...just the beta ish...or wm5 heavily skinned wm6....
do a search and you're bound to find it...

ZaJules said:
Hi all. I am on the hunt for a decent Task Switcher app that will work with WM6.
I used to use Wisbar Lite and loved it but it looks yuck on WM6 as it forces the older (WM5 Close Icon)
What I need is Something that I can launch with a button and will show all the running apps in a pop up window and allow me to switches between them by tapping on an application icon in said pop up window.
And it must not change or add anything to the start bar.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Jules
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I'm running a PDAviet WM6, it has this in it's ROM. Tap and hold upper-right corner.

I love it when I can answer my own questions
After searching and using a bunch off apps and not having any luck I just tried Small Menu and It works 100% in WM6.
Meets all my requirements
More news or problems as I find them
Jules

gspocket magic
best app that does all you want

Thanks for the replies.
Vilem. please can you elaborate on that?
I am using Davit ver 3 and have not seen this app.
Sandrobber. Thanks for the file, I have tried the app before but it doesn't match or look good on the stock WM6 start bar. am I missing a setting or something?
So far SmallmenuPlus is the winner for me.
Jules

I have to say, people I know that have been running Crossbow for a few months, have found SmallMenuPlus to be great.
On an unrelated note, I've run SmallMenu pretty much since I got my first WinMob phone, and can highly recommend it. It's not perfect, but it's very useful.
PocketMagic is also a very worth (free) contender.
I don't use Wisbar (resource usage....) so can't comment.
V

Does anyone know a way to exclude some applications (activesync and phone) from smallmenuplus task list?
Killing the phone process during a conversation or closing activesync during a pc sync can be really dangerous/disappointing.

No, I don't think you can, hence my "It's not perfect"
Try writing to the author, he's still active, although the app only seems to get minor updates these days.
V

I've been using Dinar HandySwitcher 2.5 from DinarSoft for a good while now. It has the decided advantage that you can also remove the application from memory, or all applications from memory, right from the main screen. Most times the only way to clear applications is through the start/settings/systems /memory route or a hard power down.
It's not free but it is cheap, easy and effective. Don't know if it runs on W6.

Trying it now.
Works fine in WM6.
Thanks

pocket magic
you can chenge the pictures of the start bar in pocket magis but it takes some enginutity and time. your have to edit the bitmap. Play aroung with it enough and I'm sure you can make it even look loke a vista button
http://homepage3.nifty.com/UK-taniyama/tools/GSPMagicPP.html

@ZaJules,
Which taskswitcher did you settle with in the end for WM6?

Hadn't seen this thread, thanks for bumping it up . So I'm trying SmallMenuPlus and this seems like a really nice (and fast) replacement for Wisbar Lite. The one thing I miss though is there is no soft reset in the menu. I like having that ability to do a soft reset via the menu due to the case I have doesn't have easy access to the reset hole on the side. Anyone know how to add this?
Also, does SmallMenuPlus not close apps when you press the X? Does it just put them in background? Can that be configured?

SKmenu
Skmenu is the one for me. Its not free(for the cascading menu part, which can be deactivated! ), but the taskbar switching works 100% with the demo. I have always used it, its very light, and its accessible 100% of the time= very quick(response speed is the issue i have with the rest of the apps mentioned). Although it doesnt come preconfigured setting it up takes less than a minute, and its easy enough for any level user.
The best solution for me. I also use an Alt-tab application mapped to a hardware button for easy access, like when driving etc...

about taskswicher
sry my poor english
Since 2004 and IPAQ6340 until today wizard/universal/hermes WM6 I have used HaaliTS TaskSwicher-2002.
Lives silently in upper left corner, shows additionally free battery and memory.
Dont needs install, copy exe, make shortcut, all )
Perfect for me and my friends (~25-30 units).
Have tested all here overmentioned progs, but find it best. Small footprint, etc.
regards

And what about this little tool??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302643&highlight=alttab
BTW: I´m using ilauncher and you can put taskmanager to button. Works perfekt in every WM6

papamopps said:
And what about this little tool??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302643&highlight=alttab
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Exactly what I needed!

PointUI 2 Home is out!

Installing it now.
http://www.pointui.com/

major fail...I just installed it and nothing happens ...i see no shortcut in programs folder nothing in the today setting....and I'm not the only one:
http://community.pointui.com/topic/nothing-happens
*update*
Not cool...I choose my device for the install and it instaleld into my strage card in \Storage Card\Programs\Home2
The app runs fine but I have to say it kinda looks like crap on my tilt...I'll roll with it for the rest of the day to see how funtional its is....but they better fix that install issue

ljinsane said:
major fail...I just installed it and nothing happens ...i see no shortcut in programs folder nothing in the today setting....and I'm not the only one:
http://community.pointui.com/topic/nothing-happens
*update*
Not cool...I choose my device for the install and it instaleld into my strage card in \Storage Card\Programs\Home2
The app runs fine but I have to say it kinda looks like crap on my tilt...I'll roll with it for the rest of the day to see how funtional its is....but they better fix that install issue
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It works fine here. It installed to my phone storage, not my card. Went into the "Today" settings and enabled PointUI. No problems here so far.

Synssins said:
It works fine here. It installed to my phone storage, not my card. Went into the "Today" settings and enabled PointUI. No problems here so far.
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I choose my device...and it went to my storage card...I had to run it from the apps program folder as there was no entry in the today settings...even after running the app. I'm going to reinstall and see what happens

needs to be manually started and then works fine...

I reinstalled and it looks like it did what it was supposed to do...installed into my device not storage card and the option to select it in the today setting is there. But this is a definite issue as other people have experience the same thing...check the forum link I posted earlier if you have doubts

I installed it, and uninstalled it 10 min later. It worked the way it was supposed too, but much like everything else I install on the phone, the ease of use is not there so I end up uninstalling it shortly thereafter.

TelloMan said:
I installed it, and uninstalled it 10 min later. It worked the way it was supposed too, but much like everything else I install on the phone, the ease of use is not there so I end up uninstalling it shortly thereafter.
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I completely agree and amd close to uninstalling it myself. While it is a much improved app over the 1st version there is much to be desired in the functionality dept.

I decided to give it couple of days... so far the bast combo was m2d + standard today(with today agenda)...

awkay guys.. I am thinking the same thing. while it looks somehow promising with great potential, imho M2D is still better in it's looks/friendliness.
however I'm going to wait with final judgement for pro version, as this whole applet thing may become something big in the future. anyway - it is nicely coded, but qvga gfx needs to be redone.

I agree to all.... M2D is much more user friendly... I used pointui 1.5 up until M2d came out... PointUI 2.0 goes in the backward direction... It doesnt even stay upto par with Winterface... I understand its beta, but I dont like the way it handles stuff... I loved the way you could scroll in 1.5, man i wish entire windows wud scroll that that.. 2.0 scroll is not similar to all other scroll which ruins its originality... Too similar to other GUIs now :-/... It seems to be made more for the corporate user rather than the personal user...

Yea i installed it on my storage card at first, didn't work.
TO INSTALL:
1. Download it, of course.
2. Run the cab, install it to DEVICE
3. Go to your windows mobile settings, go to the Today options, go to the Items tab, and then uncheck all of your other today items and only leave the Pointui 2 item checked.
4. Enjoy, if possible.

i just installed it without problems on my phone storage.
i love the way you can quickly add / remove applets and the configuration via xml files for the wether / location on the world map. i'm running Athine OS 6.5 ME edition.

I was really looking forward to using this. For weeks i have checked the site in quiet anticipation of home2. After being a user of 1.51 and enjoying its features, my hopes were high for 2. However, it has failed to impress. Maybe it is just me, but where can I find battery information with home2? At least, 1.51 had a battery icon. Furthermore, my own battery icon has been removed from my title bar. There is a lack of customization in home2 that would have been nice to see. I am far from impressed by this.

Yeah a bit disappointed here too, will wait and see how it develops. It can't hold a candle to the BellUI that they did for Bell which is a shame. Also, is there any way to configure which apps it uses for mail/sms/contacts/calendar/alarm etc? I really thought they'd make those easily configurable this time.

whats up with the "select city", not all cities are there, and when i tried selecting chicago, it told me that it was in africa! i think you guys should wait a little before downloading this app, it looks great but it needs more work.

[PROBLEM] Ram

Hi,
I have a little problem.
When ein first turn on my device I have 33% RAM in use.
Now, when I load programs and close them the RAM does't goes down.
Example: First 33%
Launch p2p: 37%
close the program: 34%
If I'm going to do this more then 1 time or even if I load other programs the RAM is getting higher and higher and if I look on my RAM at the evening then I have up to 50% RAM in use and no program is running...
And yes I really had them shut down comletely.
Im currentally using the newest official ROM of HTC from Germany, also the Radio which is includet.
PS: If there is something you don't understand, cause I#m from Germany and my english isn't very well, pls ask me and I'M going to try it better. =)

Welcome to the world of Windows!

If you don't have it already, try installing Dotfred's task manager. You'll find that even though the HTC quick menu (if that's what you're using) says that applications are closed, there are frequently processes running that are eating up RAM. Killing them can help you out. Even so, it's normal for the % to climb as you use more and more applications. That's what soft reset is for.

Thanks,
I installed the Task Manager, very nice application =), but it says that "Opera9.exe" is running (\Windows\Opera9.exe) and if I want to close it it says "The process 'Opera9.exe' couldn't be closed properly do you want to kill it?" Should I kill it? ^^ Or is this an important application which have to run all the time ?
EDIT: Maybe someone could post all important programs which should be in this list =)

Just kill it! If you kill the wrong thing, I think all will happen is you'll need to soft reset (I said 'I think'). The Opera 9 runs all the time, but doesn't consume much memory (mine's saying 4 kb right now). But kill quickqps and active sync/repllog and anything else that doesn't need to be running. It may not solve your problem, but it's kind of fun.

after you kill programs the best one to kill that gets you ram back is cprog.exe you wil have to kill it

lbhocky19 said:
after you kill programs the best one to kill that gets you ram back is cprog.exe you wil have to kill it
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...and just soft reset every time you want to make a call

The True ActiveSync Fix (Updated 8/16/09-Completely New Scripts!!)

​
This Right Here Is Revolutionary!!
Have you ever been out and about, and checked your task manager and saw that Activesync has started up randomly, and is running in the background sucking down your battery?
Then this is just the program that you need!
ASKicker is just a few different simple scripts that I molded together.​
What does this do?
Well basically this program scans a registry location on your phone that tells your phone whether you have a USB cable plugged in or not.
Based off of that information, if you do not have the USB cable plugged in, then the script will close out of ActiveSync everytime it runs. When you plug in the USB cable (Or place the phone on a dock), ASKicker will then open ActiveSync and wait for you to unplug the phone from the USB cable so it can kill ActiveSync from running.
This should not affect push mail. I do not have nor use push mail, so everyone that uses it, please give me feedback if it does affect it. But according to everything I've read online about Activesync and push mail, ASKicker shouldn't bother it at all. Infact, that's part of the main reasons why I've created this solution.​
What are the requirements?
Only two things are needed:
First and foremost you'll need this registry location:
HKLM\Software\OEM\USB
"Cable_In" "0"=No "1"=Yes
(My Vogue and TouchPro Have This,
So I'm Sure Most Of PPCs Have This!)​
Secondly you'll need Mortscript.
You can get a copy of this
and the manual and a few examples
at the Download Link in my FAQ(Link In Signature).​
Tested On:
* Touch Pro (CDMA) - Working
* Vogue (CDMA) - Working​​Notes:
This Is Still In Beta!
There are two shortcuts that are created in the start menu.
The first one is "ASKicker"
This shortcut will either start the script, or if it is already running, it will ask if you want to end the script.​
The second one is "ASKicker Settings".
With this shortcut, you will be able to choose a few different things. There is an option to open the Instructions and ReadMe documents. You're also able to turn on and off the AutoOn at StartUp option(Default On). Aswell you're able to choose the amount of time that the script waits to run again, you're able to choose from either 5,10,15,20,25,and 30 seconds (Default 15).​
**Please keep in mind the higher the amount of time,**
**the longer that ActiveSync could be open before the script runs again,**
**and also the longer that it could take for ActiveSync**
**to start up when you plug it into the USB.**​
This is VERY light weight.
The biggest part about this program is the Instructions and ReadMe Word Documents and the Icon Dll.​
Coming Soon:
Custom user input for the amount of seconds the script waits to run again.
(Currently only have a choice from the presets).
App-To-Date Support.
Better User Interface coming later.​
Rapidshare Download Mirror.
PPCGeeks Thread!
This Program has been completely reworked.
If you have any problems what-so-ever, let me know ASAP!​

Reserved.
(Just because everyone else does it.)
I will be keeping a to list at both PPCGeeks and XDA-Developers with the different requests.
Can't guarantee I will incorporate them, but will try my best to when I have the time.
Possible To Do List For Next Version(s):
What's listed in post #3.

Hey man -
Any chance you can make this into something which runs Activesync once a day or something? A lot of folks here use AS for Google Calendar, and it makes no sense to sync every 3-4 hours (which is the max allowed) when all we want is once in the morning or something. The rest of the day AS just sits there and eats our batteries.
And maybe have the functionality of syncing using GPRS and not strictly USB.
THANKS though - was really looking forward to some AS tweaks.

I don't have GPRS so I'm kind of screwed on that part.
(I have a cdma phone.)
but I can try and see if I can figure out the stuff needed for that through the internet.
Also, I think I have an idea on how to do that first part (the once a day)
when would be the best times for everyone? like midnight, one am? etc.
(I'll eventually make more times once I get the hang of it!)

fixed the initial problem. forgot to replace a file with a newer version.
woops.

Can you describe the problem this application is solving?

Jorlin said:
Can you describe the problem this application is solving?
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Do you ever look at your task manager and find that activesync start running out of no where, then this is what you need.
I'm not sure if this is more towards CDMA version of phones,
but there has been tons of posts and threads started because of this and they wanted a way to stop that from happening, well that's what this does.
it's a SMALL script that runs and stops it from hogging up your memory or wearing down your battery.
All of the fixes for this problem have eliminated push email from working,
or eliminates activesync from working on the phone period(even when connected to computer). etc.

codybear said:
Also, I think I have an idea on how to do that first part (the once a day)
when would be the best times for everyone? like midnight, one am? etc.
(I'll eventually make more times once I get the hang of it!)
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How about 24 hours from the last time it's launched (automatic or manually)? If that's too much of a hassle, midnight is just fine.
FYI-
The way I do this right now is to choose sync every 4 hours for peak and manually for non-peak and set the peak-time as 12-1AM.
The problem still is that the rest of the day - it's eating eating eating ... battery.

For me, to get rid of ActiveSync always starting, it was enough to remove all of Notifications (with Dotfred's Task Manager) except the one for RNDIS, and setting following registry key: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\KeepAlive to 0.

Cody which version should be used on a sprint touch. I downloaded them all, but not sure which one to install on the phone.

the_ozyrys said:
For me, to get rid of ActiveSync always starting, it was enough to remove all of Notifications (with Dotfred's Task Manager) except the one for RNDIS, and setting following registry key: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\KeepAlive to 0.
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Interesting,
does this affect your push email?
sahiljain22 said:
How about 24 hours from the last time it's launched (automatic or manually)? If that's too much of a hassle, midnight is just fine.
FYI-
The way I do this right now is to choose sync every 4 hours for peak and manually for non-peak and set the peak-time as 12-1AM.
The problem still is that the rest of the day - it's eating eating eating ... battery.
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ski21 said:
Cody which version should be used on a sprint touch. I downloaded them all, but not sure which one to install on the phone.
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All versions can be used.
The vXXS at the end of the names mean v=version
XX-the amount of time it waits to loop the script again.
S=seconds.
so if you want it to check every ten seconds get the v10s,
every twenty seconds get v20s,
and so on.

Battery consumption with AS
sahiljain22 said:
The problem still is that the rest of the day - it's eating eating eating ... battery.
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There is some debate about how much resources AS uses when running in the background. Some say practically none. It just seems reasonable that ANY program (including ASKicker) will consume SOME resources (memory/battery).
I did some tests on my Tilt using the Battery Guard program to measure the battery drain at any particular time.
According to those measurements, AS appears to be consuming about 20mA of battery during its idle time. Your mileage may vary. See the full results here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4078369#post4078369
Ray

the_ozyrys said:
For me, to get rid of ActiveSync always starting, it was enough to remove all of Notifications (with Dotfred's Task Manager) except the one for RNDIS, and setting following registry key: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\ActiveSync\KeepAlive to 0.
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But then you wouldn't have meeting reminders, nor automatic updates say to your weather software, rss news, etc, right?

I would really like to get this working on my tilt.
I use codyppc personalizer which I believe uses Mortscript too.
After I installed askicker and it didnt appear to be working, I installed mortscript 4.3b2. Now (in advanced task manager) I show two processes of Mortscript.exe running, one in \program files\mortscript and one in \program files\personalizer. Is there a conflict here?
Active sync is still running. Does Mortscript have to be installed in a specific place for this to work?
Thanks in advance.

wisniak said:
But then you wouldn't have meeting reminders, nor automatic updates say to your weather software, rss news, etc, right?
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I'm pretty sure you wouldn't then.
It screwed mine all up when I did what he did.
sbbass00 said:
I would really like to get this working on my tilt.
I use codyppc personalizer which I believe uses Mortscript too.
After I installed askicker and it didnt appear to be working, I installed mortscript 4.3b2. Now (in advanced task manager) I show two processes of Mortscript.exe running, one in \program files\mortscript and one in \program files\personalizer. Is there a conflict here?
Active sync is still running. Does Mortscript have to be installed in a specific place for this to work?
Thanks in advance.
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I just replied to your message with this same exact thing.
I forgot about this thread.
I have been REALLY busy lately,
and hurt my back at work,
so I've been out of commision on here for a while.
I plan to have it finished and fixed by friday/saturday.
But it might be delayed depending on my website I have to get finished ASAP,
and I've already been put a day behind schedule with the website after I came up with the friday/saturday deadline.
So only time will tell.
Sorry it's taken so long people.
This was in hardcore beta stage when I initially released,
and had a BIG problem with my cab program and computer,
and it's just been one thing after another. haha.
so yeah, this will be done friday/saturday hopefully.

cant wait till this is fixed so I can use it on my TouchPro and Titan!!!

Active Sync Master
i couldnt sleep all night trying to figure this out. THANX ALOT!!

I thought no one wanted it, but I have been messing with a UI for it,
that way you'll be able to specify the amount of seconds between each time it runs, and a few other things and will be able to update with future components that I am working on myself.
I have about another week of summer left, so hopefully I can get my website I've been working of FOREVER(I've been going wakeboarding and going out too much). but I want to fix this sometime this week!!
Just thought I'd update you all!
Sorry I've been MIA from alot of my forums lately.

Bump!!!
This is new!!
Just got finished!!
Read all of post one before commenting please!!

Cool, thanks cody, was wondering what happen to u. Are u still making a custom rom for the vogue too, or have u been too busy.
NM on the vogue rom. I see where u don't have a vogue anymore.

Suggest a Rom and GUI for me.

OK, my first post so be gentle.
I have MDA Vario that has been flashed with TPCElite series V11 MEGA wm6.5 23017. It also has the touchflo GUI running. Now having tried it for a week (only just purchased it a week ago) I can say that I'm not a fan of the touchflo prog. It seems to hang on occasions and I often end up selecting something I didn't want only to find the phone connecting to the net. So I have switched it off. There is a windows default one that is working fine, but I can't see a way to customise the menu so I can add what I want to it.
So my dilemma. Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards - this way I can uninstall it if I don't like it. Or should I just leave it deselected and install a new one? Will this have any performance/memory issues - ie is the lite rom a better way to go.
I had a Mio PDA with iLauncher on it and I liked the ability to add my own shortcuts etc.
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI? Been looking at Manila 2D v2 but I want to be able to customise the main menu and I don't want it sluggish.
One final thing. Is it possible to get the phone to ask permission before connecting via gprs rather than scurrying around for the disconnect. I've looked through the menus but can't find anything. Don't mind using it if I want it, just fed up of it dialing it by mistake -(I have sausage fingers.)

i recommend the t.i.r element v5 rom. ive been thru many roms including the tpc series that you have tried and i find that t.i.r element v5 is the best w/ smooth graphics, great gui (full landscape support etc.) i cant post a link as of now since i am new to posting on xda so please look it up and give it a shot!

Is there a CLI version of a rom for this phone or is someone just trying too sound fancy? Since when is touchflu a GUI? I am totally confused.
Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards
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Uh my head is hurting make it stop.. SOMEONE REPLIED TO THIS?? awmg
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI
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I am so confused, it's like trying to mess with a womans bra (Full Landscape support) for the first time, what do I do.. do I call her new hair doo a pair of panties? AAAHHHHHHHH
Stylez close this **** down.. REASON.... Doesn't make any sense at all..
I used the GUI version of this forum to reply.. Thanks.

hi DTBrum,
touchflo - i never liked it too, don't know which files are responsible for its running and if it could be removed, seems like it's part of needed htc drivers to me, but this will switch it off completely:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"EnableScroll"=dword:00000000
"EnableCube"=dword:00000000
you need a registry editor to change those values.
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you can't replace gui, or you can theoretically but what you mean is sort of launcher, or today manager. I tried more and didn't like any, they all seems to be laggy to me.
windows in default uses today screen and start menu, it's the same way as in pc edition, there are folders with shortcuts in them for start menu
look in \windows\start menu folder. and on today screen, you can set what you want to see there in settings/today
I use start replacement called quickmenu which is a very small prg with lots of tweaks.
if you don't like those fancy launchers and controls, better you make your own rom. it's very easy with tools from xda. nearly all custom roms lite or full you'll find here have some kind of launchers and today replacement already in them and it's hard to remove or disable them.
there is a lot of different apps like iLauncher, you can install/uninstall.
no one will recommend you any custom rom here, you need to go through trying one after another because everybody's preferences differs. look in wiki.
automatic connect. no, there is no way to disable this. you can use app called 'nodata' but then you'll have to run it to enable/disable every time you want to use internet. But it solves problems in roaming.
Some programs can be set to not auto dial. and another option is, you can set a fake internet connection, make it default and then when you want to go online you'll dial the real one manually. But you may find that some programs would not want to use other then default connection.
and don't get discouraged here on forum, some people are smart here, true, but not all of us here get born that way.

Thankx for the replies.
What I found with touchflo was that there are occasions where I try to scroll from left to right and nothing happens, then all of a sudden I find it has selected something like maps or internet and the phone is trying to connect to the net. Then it starts responding normally. So as a front end user interface for me I'm not that keen on it. Also I can't see a way to remove the categories sucj as maps, and add my own. I have a registry editor and will try changing the values suggested and see if that helps. I'll do a search for the other bits recommended.
Apologies ChumleyEX, not sure if I used the correct terminology. For me a program such as touchflo is an alternative GUI that sits on top of the windows GUI. Just want to know if there are better, more reliable ones. Doesn't have to be fancy. I want to be able to customise it and for it to be quick and responsive.

Sorry I'm sure I was too harsh, I was feeling a little too good last night.

No problem ChumleyEX - no harm done.
Papo - thanks for you time and help, you cleared a few things up for me. Registry edited and touchflo now disabled.
As I said I've only had this device a week and only just found this site recently, so I'm not really up on the terminology so I'm hoping you can look past my shortcomings please. I'll get there. I'm no novice with pc's or pda's but I'm not in the same league as most people on here I admit.
My question about installing an alternative to touchflo was because some of these other programs such as ilauncher like to be installed to the device memory rather than storage card. I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that. I have no option to remove touchflo.
I was hoping that by describing what I was after people would recommend something that fits the bill. But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of. There is some really nice work here on this site - so tempted to give it a go. I guess we all like different things so it's a matter of personal choice really. Key for me is functionality/responsiveness. It's no good if the interface gets in the way no matter how good it looks.
Off to read some reviews of roms on here now. I'll check out t.i.r element v5 as suggested by agent1001 first.

dude, stop fretting and just try out as many ROMs as you can...and remember to search and read a LOT! it will help in the long run to build your concepts.
i have TWO more suggestions/clarifications for you:
1. you might have big fingers, but what i suspect is that you are using your device as if it has a capacitive screen...which it doesn't. the kaiser (like many htc phones) has a resistive screen. essentially, what this means is that the screen will respond best with a good amount of pressure, applied at a point. so the best suggestion i can give you that will tremendously improve your experience with the device is...use your finger NAILS! the effect is as if you are using a stylus and once you get used to it, any "GUI" will become usable.
2. what you call a "GUI" is not a GUI, technically. this is what chumleyex was alluding to. these "GUIs" run as today screen plugins. they are just that...they are "today screen plugins"...also called "home screen" in other contexts of discussion. you can have many such plugins installed on your device. you can even have many such plugins running at once on your today screen. however, some take over the today screen completely, so you can only use them exclusively. manila2d/manila3d, spb mobile shell, and quite a few others are such kinds of today screen plugins. installing multiple such plugins only takes up storage space. RUNNING multiple such plugins is like running many applications at once...which will consume memory and may slow down the phone, etc, etc.
as always, you should have read the forum rules...which clearly state that "best of" threads or "suggest me a <insert requirement here>" style threads are against the forum rules. which leads me to believe that you probably haven't read the other "stickies" and "wikis" either. start there and then you'll find yourself asking a lot less basic questions that clutter up the forum. don't be surprised if this thread is closed soon by a forum mod. cheers.

Thanks ASCIIker - screen is more responsive with more pressure. Guess I was worried about cracking it.
I did do loads of reading before posting - mainly to do with how to, hard spl, soft spl, roms, radio threads. Sorry if I missed the bit about asking for recommendations.

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I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that.
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I get the feeling that you think those fancy things in full custom ROMs are taking up space. they are not. and not using them, disabling them, or deleting shortcuts from start menu would do the same as uninstalling.
you've got:
flash memory - (ROM)
int. memory - think about it as HDD: depends, typicaly little over 100MB
RAM, operating memory, like on PC another 100MB: to be used by progs.
those names differs, to add confusion, some refers to int.memory as ROM
MS bloatware & fancy stuff from custom ROMs which you don't want could still rest in peace in ROM and not bothering you. you'll still have your 100MB int.mem. And as long as they are not actively running you still will have 100 RAM and no processor power used. but exactly like mentioned every plugin on today screen means it's running too. get an fdc task manager or alternative to see all processes and other stuff running. (not just tasks) You can find a way to disable nearly everything.
I have no option to remove touchflo.
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I don't think there is any. even with ultra lite, i could be mistaken with this, but i tried hard and it looks like it's part of required htc drivers. so you only could disable it...at least! i hated it too no matter about fingers. it seems better on htc pro2 anyway.
But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of.
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yep, the look would be the main difference i'll say.
but if you want functionality/responsiveness, than you probably better stick with using start button and today screen without unnecessary additions.
* installing on SD card means it will go much slower and (at least on my kaiser) will sometime create errors on card from crashed apps and when I dropped phone or it died w/o shutdown or when contacts on SD card get loosed. many times I even lost complete SD contents.
You have 100MB of int.mem!! it would love to be used by progs.
I suggest you to try all of available and up-to-date custom ROMs then after getting an idea of what is doing what, just mix your own rom. it's a matter of check-in what you want inside basically. and you can add your own stuff too. like programs you buy or are not in any ROM. I have over 110MB of programs fitted in ROM and still 100MB int.mem. and speed of the device and ram is not affected too, because i let only 3 - 4 apps from that running in background.

Well I've tried flashing it and had to visit the toilet as things didn't go well.
I flashed with a lite rom, plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install a nice front end/today screen/touchflo etc to the device when I settled on one I liked.
Rom flashed fine - quite like it.
Radio didn't go well. Got stuck at the dreaded tri coloured screen.
Mtty.exe didn't recover it either.
Visited toilet.
Flashed back to standard rom from manufacturer. All now back up and running.
Have changed underpants.
At least I was able to use the info on here to get it back up and running OK.
Problem was a write error flashing the suggested radio - at 99% got an error 226.

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plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install
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check my previous post.
try flashing from SD card, a lot of troubles with cable/pc/connector
format small (256MB) SD card with FAT32,
rename ruu_signed.nbh file to KAISIMG.NBH place on root of SD
hold camera button and start or reset pda

I think to be honest I'm a little paranoid about keeping the device memory free. The reason is my wife has an O2 Orbit which was running wm5. It has been updated to WM6 and she has very little free storage memory at all on the device to the point where we have struggled getting some programs installed. I know most give you the option to install to storage card or device, but some don't. Also the ones that do install on the storage card often put some files onto the device, such as help or configuration files.
I know this HTC has a lot more memory so it probably isn't an issue in reality.
I'm up to speed about the different types of memory and whether an app is consuming processing power or just storage space depending upon if it running or not. I just didn't have a chance to read your reply before I posted- wife wanted the PC back. And I was relieved just to have the phone back working.
Papo - thanks for you help. Really appreciate it.

I had my tilt for 2 years and never worried about memory.

OK, flashed the phone a couple of times yesterday and I've now found a rom I like a lot. Even the GUI - touchflo - works like a dream and with the programs that came with the rom I can even customise it how I like. It's smooth, quick and I am yet to discover a bug.
I'll give it a run for a couple of weeks and if I decide to keep this then I'll donate.
Interestingly I flashed back to stock rom from T Mobile through links I found on here. Worked without a problem, provided a 6ft+ 16stone bloke is happy with everything in pink. So I then flashed back to the standard HTC rom wm6.1 and had lots of problems. Basic things like selecting tick boxes didn't even work well.
I understand that everyone wants different things from their phones, how they look etc and that is why it is impossible to say which rom is best. But through this site, I have a customised phone that runs so smooth and quickly and looks damn smart. So at the moment I am well chuffed.
The only really difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them and the backup I took was incomplete as I only backed up the sim and not the phone. D'oh. Anyway I've now sorted this out as I found all the old contacts in outlook deleted items. I restored them back to the contacts folder and synced them again and it's all now back up and running.
Off to have a play
If she lets me I may even flash the wifes O2 Orbit XDA. It's been upgraded from wm5 to wm6 and the new rom leaves very little free memory on the device itself and we do struggle at times getting some software onto it. The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device. I have manually moved it back to the SD card and made new shortcuts etc, but I feel a new rom from this site would be the way to go.
Thank you to all who helped me.

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difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them
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activeSync & outlook played tricks on me too, deleting or doubling all contacts... even easier than backing up by backup program, is to copy 'RAW' database in pda before re-flashing. it's all in one file called PIM.VOL in root of phone. calendar is there as well. you can copy this to SD and upon reflashing copy back to root of pda and see what PC's outlook will have to say to it. or just keep on SD as 2nd backup.
note, the file may be locked by running programs (contacts, messages, home plugin) kill them from taskman in that case.
The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device.
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tomtom app is two files tomtom nav.exe and data.chk, put them anywhere you like and the rest, config files, will be created by it.
but it runs really slow from SD. and taking 13MB, so again, it's best to have them in ROM.