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Rom upgrade failing/Screen Problems?

I am a Newbie so be patient with me and your advice is appreciated.
I have a Qtek 9100 (Wiza200) G3
Rom 1.1.7.5
Radio 4.0.13.16
Ext rom 1.1.7.105
I purchased the phone unlocked and have used it with sim's from other countries. When I attempt to run the following updates.
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_WWE-30MB
RUU_Molski.Biz_AKU2.3-226102_22610105_024711_WWE-30MB-CF2
I get the error "file name is not a valid Pocket PC application".
What am I doing wrong?
(I have also read all the recommended threats which were great. Thanks for sharing)

you obvious did not read all the recommenced sites! My guess is that you tried to run the upgrade file in pocket pc. You must connect your phone to the computer and establish activsync connection first. than you run the upgrade file on your computer

gonzo11 said:
I am a Newbie so be patient with me and your advice is appreciated.
I have a Qtek 9100 (Wiza200) G3
Rom 1.1.7.5
Radio 4.0.13.16
Ext rom 1.1.7.105
I purchased the phone unlocked and have used it with sim's from other countries. When I attempt to run the following updates.
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_WWE-30MB
RUU_Molski.Biz_AKU2.3-226102_22610105_024711_WWE-30MB-CF2
I get the error "file name is not a valid Pocket PC application".
What am I doing wrong?
(I have also read all the recommended threats which were great. Thanks for sharing)
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Navy2010 is correct you are running the updates from your PPC this won't work. You must run the programs from a PC. I also suggest a little more reading.
To get you started have a look at these threads:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263116
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284292
Make sure you have CID unlocked the device.
Kirby

Thanks Gents but one more question for u?
The upgrade went perfectly. Thanks
The reason I was trying to upgrade the ROM is not resolved still.
When device is in the Portrait position (slide is closed) my touch screen works maybe 20% of the time. When I open the slide the touch screen works perfectly. The issue still occurs after the upgrade.
Any recommendations?

gonzo11 said:
The upgrade went perfectly. Thanks
The reason I was trying to upgrade the ROM is not resolved still.
When device is in the Portrait position (slide is closed) my touch screen works maybe 20% of the time. When I open the slide the touch screen works perfectly. The issue still occurs after the upgrade.
Any recommendations?
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Sounds like a hardware failure and could be the reason the phone was sold... ?? If you can return it under some warrantee, I'd lean that direction.
--M

I agree.
Yep I agree. I have sent an email to the seller. In all fairness He sold me a brand new device and he has been pretty good so far. Let see what he says now. I'll update the post when he gets back to me. Thanks for you comments.

Seller has sent me an RMA form
I guess he is going to repair it or replace it.
He emailed me an RMA form which I have sent back. Saga continues.

gonzo11 said:
The upgrade went perfectly. Thanks
The reason I was trying to upgrade the ROM is not resolved still.
When device is in the Portrait position (slide is closed) my touch screen works maybe 20% of the time. When I open the slide the touch screen works perfectly. The issue still occurs after the upgrade.
Any recommendations?
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I have had this problem but in reverse it turned out to be muck under the screen and would cause the start button to activate by just pushing the side of the case.
Get a laminated buisness card or something like it and slide it in between the screen and case

You may have something here
Thanks Eddieitman. I tried it and nothing much came out, but usually after a few mins the screen locks up. This time it's still responsive after 15mins. We'll wait and see after an hour if it still works. fingers are cross.
btw nice site.

Still locking up but a little squeeze works. lol
I am talking about the device. lol Unfortunately, it's still locking up. But when I squeeze the sides of screen it comes back. Sounds like my situation maybe a little worse than yours. I going to send it back and see what they do. thks for the help.

Screen issue not covered by warrantee.
This is a Update/FYI.
I sent my phone into Arvato Teleservice out of Germany to fix the screen issue. $97.00 cdn to do so. First off their customer service is absolutely horrendous. So avoid them.
They determined the issue to be a damaged Main Board, but because of the flashed ROM they are not going to do it under warrantee. I should of downgraded before sending it in (my fault). I am still fighting with them.
Cost to fix $490.00repair + $97.00shipping = buy a new phone.
I am not suggesting it is a result of the ROM but wondering has anyone experienced screen issues after flashing the ROM?

Touch screen stop responding

Hi everybody
I did a hard reset to my phone this morning, everything worked fine, i took the phone with me to work, and there, I discovered that the touch screen would stop responding.
I tried soft reset few times, didn't helped.
Then I tried Hard reset which also didn't helped - I am now stuck on the Align Screen thing.
1- what can I do to solve it? I have tried blow trying my phone gently for a while in case some moisture got inside somehow. I also tried to clean the edges of the screen with a business card.
2- will att help me with this? I bought this phone on Ebay few months ago. the phone is less than a year old. all I got is the HTC imei and unlocking code.
Any help?

Hey i had the problem with one of the roms here... just reflash it with a newer ROM, that should fix it

drownage said:
Hey i had the problem with one of the roms here... just reflash it with a newer ROM, that should fix it
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Just did it. tried two different roms.
neither fixed the problem
HELP!!!!

zackzack said:
Just did it. tried two different roms.
neither fixed the problem
HELP!!!!
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I'm sure that somebody here have an advice for me

Not sure if this'll help you, but I had a similar problem, and what was causing it was the screen protector had slipped and was squeezed between the casing and the screen itself down one side - one I removed and replaced the screen protector, it worked fine.

doktorrob said:
Not sure if this'll help you, but I had a similar problem, and what was causing it was the screen protector had slipped and was squeezed between the casing and the screen itself down one side - one I removed and replaced the screen protector, it worked fine.
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I have no screen protector.
what else coult it be?

I had a similar issue yesterday. I am using Dutty's v2 ROM. My problem started when I tried to enable TouchFlo. I could not get the TouchFlo to work and I did not have a lot of time to play with it. After 30 minutes, Goodlink locked the phone and when I went to unlock, the touch screen did not work. I did a soft reset and that did not help. I had to go back thru and disable TouchFlo and do a soft reset. This fixed it for me.

RajunCajun said:
I had a similar issue yesterday. I am using Dutty's v2 ROM. My problem started when I tried to enable TouchFlo. I could not get the TouchFlo to work and I did not have a lot of time to play with it. After 30 minutes, Goodlink locked the phone and when I went to unlock, the touch screen did not work. I did a soft reset and that did not help. I had to go back thru and disable TouchFlo and do a soft reset. This fixed it for me.
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Thanks for the advice!
But I am stuck in the align screen. any idea how am i getting trough it?

1. disable TouchFlo
2. align screen
done. good luck

terencelaw said:
1. disable TouchFlo
2. align screen
done. good luck
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How can I disable the touchflo if I have no access to the control panel. I am stuck in the align screen after a hard reset

put a file called welcome.not in the root of your sd card

XtreMe_G said:
put a file called welcome.not in the root of your sd card
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I just put the file there and it skipped the align screen.
The setting for the touchflo are only enabling/disabling the sound when scrolling. how can I disable it?

zackzack said:
I just put the file there and it skipped the align screen.
The setting for the touchflo are only enabling/disabling the sound when scrolling. how can I disable it?
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HELPppppp!

if you already did a hard reset, and its still not responding, it most likely is a hardware problem.

First...
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FLASHED THE PHONE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RADIO AND ORIGINAL ROM!!!
Second...
Call AT&T. Tell them you have a tilt cell phone and you need to warranty exchange it because the touch screen stopped working.
Third...
Tell ATT that you already hard reset, you already soft reset, and you have already factory reset the phone. Then tell them you have NO additional software on the phone, no installed programs, and have changed nothing.
They will ask you some questions, get your imei# and etc. etc.... then they'll make sure you still have a warrantly remaining. If THAT phone still has a warranty remaining, you should be able to get it exchanged.
Let us know what happens. It DEFINITELY sounds like a hardware issue.

I would go for the business card trick again, it surelly sounds like you have something between the casing and the screen. Perhaps you should try with an other "object" to clean between the screen and casing.

nybom said:
I would go for the business card trick again, it surelly sounds like you have something between the casing and the screen. Perhaps you should try with an other "object" to clean between the screen and casing.
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Yup agreed, i have had this very same issue, I just ran my finger nail around the edge of the screen under the casing. Even a small build up of dust can cause this issue.
Good Luck
MM

MaxMotus said:
Yup agreed, i have had this very same issue, I just ran my finger nail around the edge of the screen under the casing. Even a small build up of dust can cause this issue.
Good Luck
MM
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Thanks all for the help.
I tried fingernails, business card, everything. not working
Installed 2 different tweak apps (KaiserTweak , PocketTollMan) to disable the touchflo. Both can not be controlled at the relevant areas without the touch screen. God, it's getting complicated.
Should I open the case around the screen and make sure everything is clean?

zackzack said:
Thanks all for the help.
I tried fingernails, business card, everything. not working
Installed 2 different tweak apps (KaiserTweak , PocketTollMan) to disable the touchflo. Both can not be controlled at the relevant areas without the touch screen. God, it's getting complicated.
Should I open the case around the screen and make sure everything is clean?
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anybody ?

nimda0 said:
First...
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FLASHED THE PHONE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RADIO AND ORIGINAL ROM!!!
Second...
Call AT&T. Tell them you have a tilt cell phone and you need to warranty exchange it because the touch screen stopped working.
Third...
Tell ATT that you already hard reset, you already soft reset, and you have already factory reset the phone. Then tell them you have NO additional software on the phone, no installed programs, and have changed nothing.
They will ask you some questions, get your imei# and etc. etc.... then they'll make sure you still have a warrantly remaining. If THAT phone still has a warranty remaining, you should be able to get it exchanged.
Let us know what happens. It DEFINITELY sounds like a hardware issue.
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i agree with this one, i would just do this.... since you have pretty much done everything there is to do... plus if you exchange it... you wouldnt be left back on anything since you have already hard reset your phone so your would just be right back in the same place....

2 issues with Tilt keypad

I bought an ATT tilt quite a while ago. It is out of warranty now, and wouldn't you know it, something went wrong.
I'm currently using Dutty's Diamond ROM (with the keyboard fix installed), but the same happened before with the official ROM. While I text some keys don't work. I'll be typing away, just to look at the screen and see that I am missing a bunch of letters, rendering the message unreadable. I then have to go back and fill in all the blanks, and even then sometimes it takes several tries to get it to go. The same happens with the backspace key; sometimes it just doesn't work, other times it does (oddly enough, when it doesn't work normally, it usually lets me hit "function" and use it as the delete key).
My other concern is that there is a ton of lag while typing. It takes a while for letters to show up. Is that normal (for the Tilt, at least. I'm still wishing I had bought a BlackBerry)?

Yeah, I had similar troubles. I just upgraded my SPL and hopefully will be testing it further testing.
what SPL are you running?

I'm not entirely sure, it was a while ago that I flashed the ROM. How do I find out what it is? I tried Device Information, but it wasn't there.

you have to put it in Bootloader mode.
hold power and camera button while resetting with the stylus, then you'll come to the tricolor screen which will give you the SPL info.

KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8

I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.

I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?

crushbup said:
KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8
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You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
mech_supernova said:
I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.
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What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?

crushbup said:
I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?
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cnn.cn has them for cheap AFAIK!

Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.

whistler4ever said:
You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?
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I got the same SPL he has, I did a hard reset afterwards then downgraded back to 1.0 because I saw no improvement.

I thought RomeOS worked best with 3.29.

crushbup said:
Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.
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http://www.gsm4world.us/shop/tytn-p4550-keyboard-flex-p-1433.html
found this in another thread!

Success! If the SPL doesn't work and I can't convince AT&T to do it, I'll order one and put it in. How do you install it?
EDIT: I just installed skyfire, and noticed that while I was putting in my email and password it was smooth and nothing was skipped. I'm almost 100% certain this is a problem with WinMo itself

I have been having the same problem as you are describing, but I have noticed that it is with heavy use keys like T, H, E, R, S and for some reason V.
I was getting the feeling that it was a hardware problem rather than a software problem because, especially with the V, I have to apply a bit of pressure to get the button to work.
Unfortunately for me I bought mine off Ebay so the warranty is already void.
Incidentally mine started happening when I had the original network providers (T-Mobile) rom on it. I have since installed an original HTC rom and it hasnt made the slightest bit of difference.
So, how easy is it to open up the back of the Tytn II and replace the keyboard unit then?

Oh my god! Thank you for posting this. I swear I have always felt like posting this but always got too lazy. I thought it was only me that had this problem. It is so annoying typing away, and then having to spend another minute to retype the letters that didn't get inputed the first time. It is so frustrating and I thought it was my fault or something, or ROM, I believe its hardware related, but I am not going to spend another dime on this POS. I'm just not so patiently awaiting t-mobile to release their android device, and I will jump ship and never look back! Thanks for the post again, it has given me piece of mind.....ironically

I'm kind of wanting T-Mobile's Android phone, but seeing as how it's made by HTC, I'll wait for the first couple of user-reviews to come out. I bought the Tilt based on website reviews, but man, I was really misled. They said the camera was great, I can only get blurry unrecognizable images. They made no mention of the fact that when you switch to landscape it takes 3 seconds for all the graphics to appear.
I'm disappointed, and I think my next phone will be a plain vanilla flip phone.
Anywho, I'm updating the SPL now, I'll post if it makes any change.

Okay, I now have HardSPL 3.56 and there does not appear to be much of a change. There was some short lag at the beginning of the text string, but afterwards it caught up. I missed no letters this time. I cannot say how much of this was the placebo effect (i.e. it just felt faster), but perhaps if everyone with the issue tries we can have a reasonable answer.
ETA: I added a poll, so if you try this, fill in the poll!

disable word suggestion under Input setting.
i don't miss any characters with it disabled.

It was already disabled for me. I know I didn't change it, I think the ROM came that way.

Help me please, dead tytn2 :(

Hello guys, i really need your help!
My phone is so strange now, i have been using Ultimate-X.V9 -21054, but in last days, my phone has gone to white screen some times when i press to screen up sometimes everything is fine, but others not and my phone sometimes dont respond to my touch, and sometimes is a bit slow
Now i have flashed to RUU_Kaiser_HTC_PTG_3.28.410.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship, during the upgrade my phone stay on tree colors, but on computer appeared the status bar! and everythime i turn on my phone now is like 90% is allways white :O i have open my phone, and reconected all again, but the problem still there! im using 3.34 hard spl!
Please someone help meee... i really love my tytn2 is there any way to put this fine? its hard spl problem?
Please help me

Please help meee My phone now is more slow than normal :/

That happened to me a while back, I took it apart several times and checked connections etc. but that did not fix it. I ended up buying a new LCD off of ebay which fixed it perfectly. So, I would suggest doing that (I bought one for 15USD used).

But this to me seems to be a problem on the main board, because the phone sometimes gets really slows And sometimes that white problem appears and others not, like 90% when i need to use my phone

Flash Stock ROM?
Did you flash if back to a OEM ROM? Did it work OK if you left it on the OEM ROM? I have used "Kaiser_HTC_ASIA_HK_WWE_3.34.721.2" as a OEM to upgrade from on many phones that I had upgrade issues with.

i think RUU_Kaiser_HTC_PTG_3.28.410.0_radio_sign_25.83.40. 02_1.65.17.56_Ship is an OEM rom isnt? :x

P4k1t0 said:
Hello guys, i really need your help!
My phone is so strange now, i have been using Ultimate-X.V9 -21054, but in last days, my phone has gone to white screen some times when i press to screen up sometimes everything is fine, but others not and my phone sometimes dont respond to my touch, and sometimes is a bit slow
Now i have flashed to RUU_Kaiser_HTC_PTG_3.28.410.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship, during the upgrade my phone stay on tree colors, but on computer appeared the status bar! and everythime i turn on my phone now is like 90% is allways white :O i have open my phone, and reconected all again, but the problem still there! im using 3.34 hard spl!
Please someone help meee... i really love my tytn2 is there any way to put this fine? its hard spl problem?
Please help me
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did you ask in the proper thread before starting a new one?

msd24200 said:
did you ask in the proper thread before starting a new one?
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Lolol? and what is the proper thread? --' dont you see this is any rooms i have tried?

P4k1t0 said:
Lolol? and what is the proper thread? --' dont you see this is any rooms i have tried?
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noticed when searching all your post that you went straight to starting a new thread for this instead of asking in on of the flashing threads. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533976

Dude, and in what that link will help in my problem? if search on it, you will find the solution to my problem? the answer is NO, maybe you should read a bit better!

P4k1t0 said:
Dude, and in what that link will help in my problem? if search on it, you will find the solution to my problem? the answer is NO, maybe you should read a bit better!
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dude the answer is yes go ask in the flashing for newbs thread, or one of the other great links in the thread i posted. maybe you should read better the rules about starting new threads because you are having a flash related problem that needs to be asked in a thread already setup to deal with flash related matters instead of starting a new thread.
have you tried pushing the hard buttons to get into bootloader? do you think MTTY may help your current problem?

msd24200 said:
dude the answer is yes go ask in the flashing for newbs thread, or one of the other great links in the thread i posted. maybe you should read better the rules about starting new threads because you are having a flash related problem that needs to be asked in a thread already setup to deal with flash related matters instead of starting a new thread.
have you tried pushing the hard buttons to get into bootloader? do you think MTTY may help your current problem?
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Dude i can enter on bootloader yes, can i use my phone yes! but the problem is that sometimes (i mean, like all the time) the screen stay white when i turn it on, and the phone stays slow!!!!

jsgjm said:
Did you flash if back to a OEM ROM? Did it work OK if you left it on the OEM ROM? I have used "Kaiser_HTC_ASIA_HK_WWE_3.34.721.2" as a OEM to upgrade from on many phones that I had upgrade issues with.
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i have tried that rom too, but nothing the problem is here

It sounds like your Screen is on the way out. I would replace it.
No lets play nice. Or Ill break out the fish heads lol

zelendel said:
It sounds like your Screen is on the way out. I would replace it.
No lets play nice. Or Ill break out the fish heads lol
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Well, if is about the screen, i can say im safe :x
But one thing on my mind, the white screen i could say to change the screen to one new, but the problem is the kaiser stay a bit slow, and sometimes it dont respond to what i want!
With that stay thinking that the problem is about the mainboard or something like that :s but i hope the problem is the screen, i will buy a new on ebay

The ribbon cable for the digitizer (touch screen) attaches to the LCD, and then both signals feed through the same cable into the D-pad board, so its possible that there is a bad connection somewhere in the LCD/Digitizer assembly that causes it to not sense your inputs, even when the LCD itself is working. Mine just failed completely to a white screen and did not come back. It could be something besides the LCD..try flashing a new HardSPL and/or a different ROM, but if I had to bet, I would bet on the LCD.

zelendel said:
No lets play nice. Or Ill break out the fish heads lol
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Thankyou made me chuckle

P4k1t0, I know you're frustrated that you phone doesnt work, but do not get uppity at the other forum posters. If you sound off against msd24200 and a mod sees it, its likely to lock your topic.

i had the same situation two weeks back after i flash with my own cooked rom.
what i did is flash the stock rom through SD/storage card and everything is fine.
you already try this method ? you can search on how to flash from SD/storage card

to flash by sd card? ok ok i will try it right now to see

[Q] Broken Screen

Hi there, I know there are other threads on this, but I've got two questions;
I might be able to claim a repair on insurance - the policy doesn't state anything about rooting voiding it, but I'd want to play it safe and flash back the original RUU - now, the digitizer works on my phone, but the LCD is totally shot, can't read anything.
It's been a while since I flashed the RUU, so is there any point where you have to press a button or something on your phone to advance? is it possible to use ddms while flashing the RUU to see what you're doing?
Also, if I can't claim this on insurance, how hard is it to replace the screen yourself? I've seen a "genuine" (hmm.) LCD/tools set on ebay for about the same amount as my insurance excess, so this seems like it could work (if it's easy enough!).
Thanks!!

laughingcavalier said:
is it possible to use ddms while flashing the RUU to see what you're doing?
Also, if I can't claim this on insurance, how hard is it to replace the screen yourself? I've seen a "genuine" (hmm.) LCD/tools set on ebay for about the same amount as my insurance excess, so this seems like it could work (if it's easy enough!).
Thanks!!
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I've not done it personally but I have seen the guys in the phone shops doing it.
It's not that hard, but you have to know what and where to remove. Just go slow first.
pardon this but what is ddms?

Hi,
I have flashed RUU for my Tattoo at least twice. And as far as i remember there is no point you have to do anything on your phone. It will reboot (into fastboot i think). You will se progress on computer screen.
By the way, how can the LCD be broken and the digitizer not? Is the lcd shattered?
This is against laws of physics!

Oh, maybe I got the letters wrong but ddms is part of the android sdk, so you can take screenshots on your computer - also handy if you've broken your screen and need to know where to press.
As for defying the laws of physics, I guess the Tattoo is more special than we thought! the lcd is showing up loads of black/white cracked patterns (but a small it at the bottom works, so I can just about make out my dock. )
Thanks, insurance guys seem to be a bit more helpful now, so hoepfully won't have to resort to doing it myself.

Just in case anyone else has this problem, found this nice photo-guide to unscrewing everything: http://translate.google.com/transla...acenter.ru/razborka/htc_tattoo/&prev=_t&twu=1
haven't got round to it yet, but should do after exams.

Thanks useful info.

I have opened and dismentled everything my tattoo 3-4 times refering the guidlines. It is really helpful.
I was trying to resolve a touch screen problem. My phone acted like something is always touching at a point of the screen, so, I couldnot able to select a thing correctly and it is worst while typing using screen keyboard. So, I disassembled my tattoo and clean everything inside and assembled again. It seems working correctly for few hours then the problem reoccurred. And I disassembled again and again.
Atlast, I found out the problem was just on the screen protector, I have removed it and resolved the problem. Funny problem but it is worth all those efforts.

Bad Digitiser
Recently the Digitiser of my phone went bad. I tried flashing back the Stock RUU but did not succeed since it was not able to detect my phone. Then I just flashed back the backup of the stock ROM and took it to the Service Center. To my surprise the person didn't even check whether the phone was rooted lr not. Since it was out of warranty I still had to pay I still had to pay $45.