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Hey guys,
This is really disturbing me. I ordered my Kaiser from a company in Hong Kong because the one in USA was a stripped down version. It had some liquid damage so I sent it for repair. The phone just came back in the mail and the camera is very sluggish. When I move the camera around, the picture becomes blurry. When I stop moving it, the picture comes back to normal after a second or so.
The HTC guys said they replaced the main board. I don't know if that would have anything to do with it or if the ROM they installed on it is causing this to happen. I did notice that the radio ROM is older than what it had installed initially ( it was 1.83 now its 1.65).
Please advice what I should do to correct this problem.
Thanks in advance
Yeah it would be a good idea to try a new radio, as they have been proven to be related to the camera.(why a radio would have anything to do with camera hardware i dont know) Also there are newer htc cameraversions out which will give you a little speed boost. dont expect much, everyone's kaiser has a sluggish camera.Some say it is due to a lack of video drivers but we wont really know until(?) the drivers come out. the camera is actually pretty damn good as far as quality, but the screen responsiveness sucks mah bawls. For me, it was a matter of getting used to the laggyness, and its bearable. somebody please release some drivers dammit! hope this helped. peace.
Thanks for the reply.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5NM1aD9VrY In that video, you can see how responsive the screen is when the guy moves the camera to take the picture of a Treo. My phone's camera was as responsive as that. Now, it behaves like a camera of a normal flip phone where the picture gets blurry when you move the camera.
I will try upgrading the radio ROM and the regular ROM and see if that will work.
EDIT: They installed WM6.1 but I had WM6 when I send it for repair. Could that be the reason for sluggishness? Can anyone confirm if the camera gets sluggish when you install WM6.1 on kaiser?
Dear fellas,
Although this topic has been briefly discussed in various locations, it hasn't gotten "big" enough.
I know a number of ya guys are having this problem. The touch-sensitive action button used to focus does not focus the camera (and yes, I have set it to "touch & press").
Mine works intermittently, in fact, doesn't work most of the time. I know it's 100% not a hardware problem, as the button lights up and brightens up my screen according to normal behavior. Now I'm wondering, for those guys who don't have this problem, do U have a different version of the camera app?
K.. mine's the stock HK 1.93.831 ROM and my cam app is version 6.00 (build 31516).
I'm not sure what causes this problem. Although I'm not a camera freak, but this prob makes my baby "imperfect".
Pls post yr ROM and camera version (I wonder if there's a difference) and state if youre experiencing this problem. Thanks!
Hi MasK,
I'm having the same problem as you, the "touch & press" feature didn't work most of the time.
I'm using HTC SG ROM 1.37.871.3, camera version 6.0 (Build 31364).
I used to think the camera didn't focus properly until I took some time to play with it. It's pretty slow, but mine seems to work. When I touch the button, it will take anywhere from 1-5 seconds to focus, and then the cross-hair turns green and beeps to indicate focus lock. At first I didn't realize I needed to wait for the beep, so my shots were out of focus. Seems to work fine now that I know that.
I'm currently on stock 1.37.401.3 with camera 6.0 Build 31364 ... same as previous post, just a different ROM region, which I doubt makes a difference.
i have a similar problem where i run the camera app, then the 1st time i place my thumb over the button nothing happens, but if i take my thumb away and try again it will work fine.
It will continue working fine untill i restart the camera app, just never registers the 1st attempt.
This does show that there is some serious prob with this functionality. For me, it's the first time that has a higher chance of working.. not subsequently.
How abt the rest? We needa find out what's causing this!
upz...
Anymore ppl having this prob?
Same here. Most of the time, including 1st time also fails.
+1, most of the time I have to click on the button to do the focus + photo. When I just touch, the camera tries to focus but the square doesn't become green. Sometimes there's no white square at all.
Hi,
mine recognizes the first touch so it focuses correctly but after i take the picture, it doesn't focus anymore when i touch it. actually i just found out about this focus thing and tested. until now i always just pressed the button when trying to make pictures and it always makes a focus and then capture the image. is this OK or it makes them better if i first let him focus and then press the button all the way?
p.s. i do have "touch and press" selected.
p.s.2: is there any way i can change exposure time or something like that so my pictures won't get blurry when my hand shakes or something? many of my pictures are fuzzy because i don't really have a steady hand :-s
Best regards,
Florin
GeckoDev said:
I used to think the camera didn't focus properly until I took some time to play with it. It's pretty slow, but mine seems to work. When I touch the button, it will take anywhere from 1-5 seconds to focus, and then the cross-hair turns green and beeps to indicate focus lock. At first I didn't realize I needed to wait for the beep, so my shots were out of focus. Seems to work fine now that I know that.
I'm currently on stock 1.37.401.3 with camera 6.0 Build 31364 ... same as previous post, just a different ROM region, which I doubt makes a difference.
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Yep that's how it works and I don't seem to be having problems, just tried doind a few shots and it works perfectly.
Everytime I touch the center button the white square appears and the camera does the autofocus until it turns green. Then I change the orientation and do the same again. I just did it 6 times in a row and the autofocus worked perfectly all the times.
I had this problem with all my previous ROMs.. I am now on Bepe's 0.96 which has the latest camera app and the problem is no longer there - I can touch and press to activate the autofocus as many times as I want after shooting as many photos as I want. No problems now.
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I had this problem with all my previous ROMs.. I am now on Bepe's 0.96 which has the latest camera app and the problem is no longer there - I can touch and press to activate the autofocus as many times as I want after shooting as many photos as I want. No problems now.
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Cool.. so it goes to show it's a pure firmware issue. I'm wondering perhaps it's due to registry tweakings that creates this problem.
Any more feedbacks?
Is there a difference in quality if it makes the focus on touch and picture on press versus focus and picture on press?
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Is there a difference in quality if it makes the focus on touch and picture on press versus focus and picture on press?
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No difference in quality, however with the "touch-then-press" focus you see a focused picture on the display before taking the shot.
Mask,
Can you tell me what is the camera app version in Bepe's 0.96 Rom?
I just changed the camera capture setting to "press" rather then "touch and press".
Now all I have to do is point at what i want. Then just press the button down and it does all the auto focussing itself and then takes the pic.
Couldn't be easier.
Roy_Drage said:
I just changed the camera capture setting to "press" rather then "touch and press".
Now all I have to do is point at what i want. Then just press the button down and it does all the auto focussing itself and then takes the pic.
Couldn't be easier.
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I actually prefer the 'touch and press' option, because I might end up needing to re-adjust my position before taking the shot.. and having the 'touch' to autofocus, before 'press' to shoot allows me to do so.
@MasK: I don't think it's a firmware issue or related to registry tweaks, but more a issue related to the camera app - bepe noted that it was a newer version (thus you won't see the Resolution icon in the Settings anymore - you can still change the resolution via Advanced settings). You could ask bepe more about the camera app and whether he did any tweaking in regards to the camera.
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I actually prefer the 'touch and press' option, because I might end up needing to re-adjust my position before taking the shot.. and having the 'touch' to autofocus, before 'press' to shoot allows me to do so.
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Yeah I know what your saying, I tend to just point n click, let it auto-focus once clicked and take the pic. As long as I'm pointing at what I want and I'm as far zoomed in as I choose then it's fine. I'll take a load at a time and then just delete the unwanted ones later.
But none the less I think the general point is that everything should work!
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..But none the less I think the general point is that everything should work!
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Quite right. I do not see why HTC overlooked this problem. Seems to me that HTC rushed the release of the Diamond without going through more intense test phases.
Huey85 said:
Quite right. I do not see why HTC overlooked this problem. Seems to me that HTC rushed the release of the Diamond without going through more intense test phases.
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Completely agree, it's plain to see now that the phone was rushed. I know for a fact that if I hadn't found this site and wasn't able to flash the thing with new ROMS and applications etc then I probably wouldn't of bought it.
In effect this site is doing the work that HTC should of done in the 1st place. We shouldn't be finding ways around their problems by simply saying "oh doing it this way doesn't bother me". It would of been nice to have the thing working smoothly from release.
But then again this is half the fun right? Mucking around with new ROMs and apps to set it up how each individiual likes.
I know that I would feel sorry for anyone with a brand new HTC Touch Diamond that is still at factory settings!
The one I am running now pisses on the phone it was 2 weeks ago
Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.
I'm sorry, but this sort of thing has been discussed before.
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360001&highlight=Camera
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426101&highlight=Camera
And try searching for the Subject "Camera" in this Fourm. You'll find a few posts.
I am not going to spend another minute trolling on this issue.
Dave
Thanks Dave but I've really tried everything suggested in those thread already.
From changing the registry in HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam
to installing HTC Album and Camera (with no improvements).
Also I don't see how the first link you posted is relevant at all.
This is why I come to think it is either a screw up in my registry or my radio?
I think the camera in general is bad, I though the first link was a different thread, sorry.
If you search for Threads with the title camera in Kaiser General you will see the scale of how many people have complained about this camera. I am not happy with mine, but I also own a EOS400D, so it's not too bad
Dave
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave
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Might just do that, cheers.
deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera..
[blah blah blah]
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You have got to be kidding.... It's convenient to have a decent camera built into the phone. But your primary camera? Ugh.
deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Have you noticed that the camera takes faster pics in lit areas and slower the darker it gets? This topic is fairly redundant. Click my Vegas link and you can see what the camera does.
Ok, so you're getting a fuzzy image, that will be due to movement when pressing the button.
To improve this slightly use the 3 second timer, that way you can line it up, press the button and hold the camera steady to get a more stable picture.
No, its not a fix for the poor hardware, but it helps a little.
Try removing the transparent cover from the rear casing - or just take pics without the rear casing. Pic quality improves no end....
deXtrous said:
Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.
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This has been discussed many times before...The camera is only usable in daylight. Even artificial light makes it really slow (bulbs) Here's why whenever you use the camera in other conditions than the daylight it switches itself into "Night Mode" and because of the lack of optimized 2D drivers the nightmode is terribly slow. Now... there's a small workaround....turn on the camera...if it's slow...press the button on the side the one that switches the screen off..press it again after about 10 seconds and you should have satisfying amount of frames in the camera app. Basically this trick forces the camera to turn off the night mode at least for a while. The only drawback is the quality of the pictures...they are darker. So if you disable the night mode through the registry you will have the camera without any lags.
Good luck
You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.
wmg76 said:
You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.
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Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?
oh, oh, oh.
Please, deXtrous, a little humility. You joined last month and go around shouting at people already?
Perhaps your phone bugging out and crashing is a result of multiple registry edits, application installs, radio/spl/rom incompatibility etc. Not necessarily of putrid quality of the phone itself. Look around this forum: there are many MANY people who are either happy with their Kaisers, or have only minor gripes. This should mean that the phone is not inherently bad, just that - maybe- it is less than perfect... but then, what IS perfect?
Ever since I switched to ROMeOS (easily half a year) I haven't had a single hang-up or bug-out. Granted, I tend to use a tried-and-tested set of applications, but hey, there are about 40-50 of them! And my Kaiser still works nice and fast..... sans the camera which still sucks... but hey, it's just an effing camera. Useful in a phone but FAR from key.
deXtrous said:
Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?
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You're asking a guy who's defending a kaiser, in a kaiser forum, after you rubbish the kaiser, if he needed to post. I think you should chill for a bit..
OK, enough. No need to start laying into each other.
Can a Mod close this thread? Nothing constructive can come from this.
Ta
Dave
Ha... Sorry I find this kind of funny..
It's just a phone guys, no need to take offense to anything I say about a silly phone..
It's my personal experiences with the phone. Not everyone can be happy with the product they buy but why should the unhappy ones be shunned off by their counterparts for simply voicing their opinions?
Everyone has an opinion and view on things, no need to be offended of my opinion that the kaiser is a piece of crap with **** battery life, **** camera, flimsy buttons and crap hardware (IME).
anyway,
The camera was like this even prior to any ROM swapping or registry editing, which is why I thought a new ROM might help but apparently not.
Maybe you have a bad phone, I know I don't think mine is buggy and non reponsive. Also nothing I have on mine seems to be flimsy..
Bad phone maybe?
Hi guys... i'm new in this forum and i'm a brazilian, so sorry for my bad english
I've got my tytn some weeks ago, but i have a little problem... When I take any photos with the back camera (the 3.0mp one), it always ends up VERY blurred. I've noted that before pressing half-camera button, the camera image is nice, but when i take the photo or press half button, the camera image begins to blur. So, i think this is some problem with the auto-focus feature.
A curious note is that when i take/focus photos from very close (aprox 2-5cm from the camera), doesn't show any blur at all... but more far than that it gets completely blurred. And before doing any focusing, the camera picture isn't blurred at all.
The front camera photos don't get blurred because they haven't got any auto-focus, so the pics are shot instantenously.
Anybody has any idea of how fix that blur in the back camera? or at least how to deactivate the auto-focus so i can take some pic from distance?
Oh yes, i already cleaned the lens from inside and outside.
Thank everybody for the patience, and sorry for the bad english
try taking the battery cover off and take the photo and see how it comes off, they use cheap plastic on the camera cover and it gets a film of somesort on it and causes the pics to come out blurry
neonspeed1995 said:
try taking the battery cover off and take the photo and see how it comes off, they use cheap plastic on the camera cover and it gets a film of somesort on it and causes the pics to come out blurry
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Yeah, i've tried that, but the photo still come blurred without the battery cover.
If you guys want, i can take some photos and upload them so you guys can see the blurred photos.
What ROM, or camera build are you using.
KD8DNS said:
What ROM, or camera build are you using.
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I use an original WM 6.1 rom, build 3.28.405.0 WWE from date 05/02/08
My radio is version 1.65.17.56
Just a note, this rom was flashed, my original rom was a 6.0 one with radio version 1.26.xx and rom build 1.7xxx from 2007 (i can't remember)
but even with the out of the box rom, the camera wasn't right, I think (I haven't used the camera until a little time ago)
BAD HTC autofocus
I have exactly the same problem with my Polaris Htc!! Please find a solution!!!I tried everything to resolve it but nothing worked. SOme people say it is a hardware problem, but i hope it is a software problem...
Please help me!!!
Thanks for all
Fishos
try updating your camera app to this one
Nadavi's Camera
make sure u install HTC album first or else the Camera app will show a black screen while taking pics.
Also make sure your environment is well light and hold the camera still while takings pics, HTC didnt exactly make the best camera for this phone.
i had the exact same problem with my htc kaiser.
after 1 1/2 year, i decided to send it back to t-mobile to have it replaced due to a hardware warranty issue. the knew about the problem. there seems to be something wrong with the lense/sensor the auto-fokus uses. dunno.
about 2 days later i got my replacement tilt (refurbished one), reflashed to a anryl wm6.5 rom i used before and now the picture are way better
so you might try to get yours replaced.
The point is: your autofocus does not keep its parameters while the image is shot. Try hard resetting Kaiser, then install Nadavi's patch mentioned above, add latest HTC Camera and welcome!
P.S. If you do really need a cam in your Kaiser, switch to Android. Some builds support the camera, but it is... manual. I mean, you focus with a scroller wheel: far from perfect, but in some 50 pics taken you'll be into it quite nicely.
set the camera button to take the picture immediately and not full press
So which version of Camera is best and includes the ability Auto Focus, i know there is Low FPS problems and thats a hardware thing, but i just want to know the best version of camera available, Thanks
I will respond since no one else seems interested...
Ironically, I am using the default camera app right now (4.x I believe). I tried Nadavi's 5.0.4 for several months, and it seemed faster than 4.x, but I eventually realized that auto-focus was really crippled in that version as well (half-press of the button to focus, but full press causes a re-focus before the picture is taken, which always causes me to lose the shot).
Long story short, 4.x doesn't seem to have the problem, so I decided to stick with it for now. Plus it takes pictures at a decent speed when the lighting is adequate.
Short answer... you cannot expect a Hyundai to win a Nascar race. Sure it will drive around the track, and if you want to do 500 laps with it, no problem, but it ain't ever gonna be the right tool you need to win.
The camera on this phone sucks, it has serious limitations. If you want to take a picture of a significant event, bring a stand alone camera.
I agree with the previous poster, the default camera software is about as good as you can do.
I am with you about the half press and full press problem , but i get over it by making the option of taking the photo is press half press only and it work so well.. its auto focus then take a pic with no blur at all.. i am using this ver attached. so well in TYTN II .
also now i can take photos using the front camera with it .
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I will respond since no one else seems interested...
Ironically, I am using the default camera app right now (4.x I believe). I tried Nadavi's 5.0.4 for several months, and it seemed faster than 4.x, but I eventually realized that auto-focus was really crippled in that version as well (half-press of the button to focus, but full press causes a re-focus before the picture is taken, which always causes me to lose the shot).
Long story short, 4.x doesn't seem to have the problem, so I decided to stick with it for now. Plus it takes pictures at a decent speed when the lighting is adequate.
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Press the windows button once. It's better!
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Press the windows button once. It's better!
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But not much better
boufa said:
Short answer... you cannot expect a Hyundai to win a Nascar race. Sure it will drive around the track, and if you want to do 500 laps with it, no problem, but it ain't ever gonna be the right tool you need to win.
The camera on this phone sucks, it has serious limitations. If you want to take a picture of a significant event, bring a stand alone camera.
I agree with the previous poster, the default camera software is about as good as you can do.
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I quite agree, but I need to mention that the camera on EVERY phone sucks. If you're buying a phone because of the camera, that's waste of money. You can't expect this tiny bit of lens (more than ten times smaller than the ones used in real cameras and of dubious quality) to produce anything but lousy images. The problem is not with the software, but with the CCD and the lens.
I have this phone for about 6 months and I haven't taken a single picture with it - I prefer my Pentax
hello guys..well i need some help here please..
i got a problem with my tytn 11.the camera is bugging after i flash with some xda roms.my problem is i cant use the 2nd camera.it seem the icon to change from main camera to 2nd camera suddenly disappear.so i cant use the front camera to snap pic and make v.call..sadly i doesnt know my stock roms.but i already flash my phone with some xda stock roms but it still the same.the front camera doesnt work..somebody please help mee
thank u man for you'r help