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somewhere on the forum... i saw this picture of a tilt back cover, and the speaker was a circle, not a square, and the camera cover looked really nice, it had a metal cover to prevent scratches.
where can i find this?
you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
we can made a camera friendly back cover ourselves
Hi All,
I am wonder if anyone would like to join my project of making a camera friendly back cover for our Kaiser.
I am a product designer in Hong Kong and also a Kaiser user. I know a local factory that produce aftermarket cases for PDAs, to make a back cover is not a hard job at all. All I would like to know is how many Kaiser would like to have this new back cover.
Elton
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
aksd said:
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
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you need a photography quality glass for good quality photo. Plus in order to fit in to the original back cover, the glass needed to be really thin, that's another challenge. That's why some people in the forum prefer to take the plastic out.
regarding to the quality, the factory is a very experienced one, a simple back cover is too easy for them. All I worry is the cost and how we can spread them out evenly.
How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
I'd vote for a rear cover with a slide-open cover over the camera. This would allow the camera to be protected from dust and when open, don't use any additional glass, the pictures would be much sharper!
It would have to be a good design that could withstand repeated open-close cycles.
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How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
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I agree. The lens glass needs some sort of protection.
Nokia's N-95 puts the lens at the hinge where no one puts their finger. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt is in a very bad spot for fingers and setting it down into junk or against a sweaty (i.e. wet) shirt pocket.
Also, you might need some bumps on the back to raise the phone a bit since they managed to put the speaker on the back which is about as effective as ....
The back cover gets a bit hot at times too. Don't know what can be done about that.
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you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
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im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
I meant a cover with a glass lens. Its always nice to have 2x times the protection
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im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
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please let us know where you saw that cover. It would be nice if we can just pay for it.
Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
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Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
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I am not sure about putting another piece of plastic in front of the camera would be a good idea to improve the quality of the photo.
Anyway, I have contacted the factory about this project, they will let me know the cost in about two days. In the mean time, feel free to throw in new design idea.
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
You can count me in for the sliding back cover for the camera, that would be perfect!
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this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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when did i say cover the camera? i said it's been cut around it.
I doubt you will find better to be honest. Without looking silly. It looks like new all the tiem with my shield on.
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this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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no, I don't think finger nail is a good idea. If space is allowed, I hope to make a sliding door that can be opened by finger instead of finger nail.
Anyway, let's wait for the quote from the factory first.
Im interested too!
quotation received, but....
The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
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The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
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NO, NO, NO....
PM me with the 1000 piece price. I'm sure I could distribute these here in the US.
I guess it is due to the camera part of the outer shell got friction between my pants pocket...
the transparent plastic pad got many tiny scratch now, so the image passed through the lens is shown very vague on the screen.
Should I use sand paper to rub or grind it until it is smooth ?
or are there any parts can be replaced ?
Thanks for your reply !
Absolutely do NOT use sandpaper on it!
Aside from trying to find a replacement part through HTC, there are a few products that advertise the ability to fill in scratches in plastic.
I use Plexus, which is usually sold at motorcycle shops. It's used to buff out scratches in plexiglass (the material used in motorcycle windshields, which is a form of plastic). I also use it on compact discs to buff out fine scratches.
i would push the transparent plastic pad out of your back cover completely, the camer works much better without this lens cover on.
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i would push the transparent plastic pad out of your back cover completely, the camer works much better without this lens cover on.
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I agree, much better pictures without a 0.5 mm thick plastic layer in the middle. Anyway, there are some online shops that sell HTC TyTN II battery cover replacements. I remember seeing one in Expansys.
Do what I did in these thread. Guaranty you will be happy with your camera.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2773949
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Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
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Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
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That's overkill, just buy the Flip Cover, it will add 1mm around your camera lenses.
Since the Device sees the outside world through the Camera , using a layer on the camera will affect the amount of light getting in to camera and hence the quality of the image captured by the device will be low. So using a layer on the camera for protecting it from scratches is not a good option , it will protect the camera from the scratches but it will destroy the sole purpose of the camera. So alternative option will be using a case that can make the camera grooved-in and hence it can give considerable protection as camera surface will be grooved-inside the shell case.Choose the case wisely to get this kind of setup.
The glass covering the camera lens is almost flush with the aluminium border and the plastic back, so when you lay the phone on a flat surface it will almost touch it.
There are very thin cases, that add only 1 mm thickness to the phone and help separate the lens cover from the desk.
I'm trying to use InvisibleShield back proctector, it adheres well to the back cover, after a few days drying it does not seem that it's going to peel-off, and it helps maintaining the camera cover from touching the table.
hajime_android said:
Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
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What you already have is sufficient. Its not that easy to scratch the camera lens, and anything you put in front of it will in some way spoil the quality of your shots. Its not as though there is something available like a UV filter that you would use on an SLR camera. My advise, is just go out and take pictures.
I bought the Real look screen protector from amazon and it comes with 4 tiny screen protector for the back camera. Best imo, but I haven't tried any others
I also got scratches there. Sammy you disappointed again
Get a case with camera shutter.
Sammy used cheap material again, it should have been gorilla glass.
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I also got scratches there. Sammy you disappointed again
Get a case with camera shutter.
Sammy used cheap material again, it should have been gorilla glass.
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Just out of curiosity, what effect has that had on your picture quality? It shouldn't be that noticeable, if at all, unless its big damage that is. Usually. small scratches cause a 'softening' of the focus, but shouldn't be that apparent, unless your really looking for it. I'm not making excuses for samsung though, and indeed they would probably call it a feature, where your phone will take increasingly romantic soft photographs over time.
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Just out of curiosity, what effect has that had on your picture quality? It shouldn't be that noticeable, if at all, unless its big damage that is. Usually. small scratches cause a 'softening' of the focus, but shouldn't be that apparent, unless your really looking for it. I'm not making excuses for samsung though, and indeed they would probably call it a feature, where your phone will take increasingly romantic soft photographs over time.
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Got 3-4 scratches at the edge, so it did not affect picture quality.
I always used to put the phone face-down but still got scratches.
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Got 3-4 scratches at the edge, so it did not affect picture quality.
I always used to put the phone face-down but still got scratches.
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Its about what I expected. I wouldn't worry too much. I have an old clam phone and that is scratched to hell, but the pics don't show any noticeable effects. I know its far from a like for like comparison. Also, we used to scrub uv filters with scotch bright to make our own soft focus filters. You would be amazed at how much 'scratching' we had to do before we started to notice any effect. I know you want to treasure your investment, but I would get on and use it to the full. :good:
i got 4 scratches there.. can lense be replaced?
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My Zenus PrintFolder protects the camera nicely. Love this case!
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Just made a rectangular piece of cheap plastic nd glued another plastic foldable holder for my x play. So now during photo time unfold nd zip down nd den zip up. Easy DIY nd works like a charm...
Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
I bought the Nillkin protector and used the camera lens protectors as well.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52353778&postcount=384
I put the Nillkin protectors on the device as soon as I could, dunno if they'll affect the marginal camera in this thing, but the inevitable scratches, which your experience bears out, sure would.
Squpix said:
You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
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yeah. I complained to ATT about how it's susceptible and I shouldn't have to pay insurance for a manufacturer error blah blah. HTC referred me to the carrier I told them.
I use the camera lens protector thst came with the Nilkin glass protector
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I use the camera lens protector thst came with the Nilkin glass protector
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How is it? Mine should be in the mail when I get home later.
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How is it? Mine should be in the mail when I get home later.
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It's pretty good I'm happy with it
Except they could of made the protector a mm or so bigger and it could of covered the whole camera hole but I suspect they didn't so it would be easier to stick on
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Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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My camera lens got a large scratch on it within days of getting it, seems it's the same cheap soft plastic lens cover like all other HTC phones use, such a shame.
Lucky for me the scratch was just off the centre and doesn't seem to notice on picture quality.
To try stop any more scratches I got a martin fields screen protector, as they come with 4 x lens covers, 2 for each rear camera.
I don't notice any loss of picture quality with the protectors over the lenses, so is well worth doing.
I really wish someone would start making lens protectors on their own
Squpix said:
You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
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How do people do this? I don't understand. I work in the oilfield... Lots of dirt, dust, and sand and have never scratched the lenses. Are you guys using the device naked? Not sure how else it would be possible.
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How do people do this? I don't understand. I work in the oilfield... Lots of dirt, dust, and sand and have never scratched the lenses. Are you guys using the device naked? Not sure how else it would be possible.
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Exactly what I want to know too. How is it possible? Never happened to any of my other phones. They wouldn't be replacing it for free if it wasn't possible.
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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Div033 said:
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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Same here. It arrived, but waiting for the replacement phone to come in
Div033 said:
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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What are you using to clean it???!
A paper towel is *not* suitable at all!
Only a microfibre cloth OR lens pen should be used.
In a bind something soft-ish, i.e. terrycloth, could be used.
But never use a paper towel or napkin. Way too harsh for AR coatings, for example.
If the cover is loaded with silica dusts, these should be removed with a lens pen before using any kind of material to clean.
Otherwise you will wind up with tiny scratches that work similar to a diffraction grating filter creating "star" effects around pinpoint sources, lines and and other aberrations that will definitely mar your images.
The only remedy at that point is to replace the cover or remove it completely which puts the actual camera objective lens at risk of exposure.
Slickwraps are considering making lens protectors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52455851
I had an M8 replaced (unrelated issue) which had a bunch of scratches on the main lens cover. I treated it exactly the same as my M7 which didn't get scratches in the 6 months I owned it. I defs think HTC has changed something.
Anyway I got a lens protector with the Nillkin screen protector I bought for the replacement handset, but I mucked up the install so I took it off. Using the Nillkin one as a template, I cut out a circle from a spare M7 screen protector I had lying around. It's not pretty but it does the job perfectly.
Michealtbh said:
Slickwraps are considering making lens protectors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52455851
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It's Live Now..
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cpufrost said:
What are you using to clean it???!
A paper towel is *not* suitable at all!
Only a microfibre cloth OR lens pen should be used.
In a bind something soft-ish, i.e. terrycloth, could be used.
But never use a paper towel or napkin. Way too harsh for AR coatings, for example.
If the cover is loaded with silica dusts, these should be removed with a lens pen before using any kind of material to clean.
Otherwise you will wind up with tiny scratches that work similar to a diffraction grating filter creating "star" effects around pinpoint sources, lines and and other aberrations that will definitely mar your images.
The only remedy at that point is to replace the cover or remove it completely which puts the actual camera objective lens at risk of exposure.
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I used to use paper towels to clean my camera lens, but after reading about how you can remove slight imperfections and scratches by using abrasive materials, I've switched to sandpaper almost exclusively. I tried using a napkin once, but the barbecue sauce (I thought the napkin had dried) got stuck in between the cracks of the lens and device. Needless to say, I don't use napkins anymore.
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I've never heard of a "lens pen" as I have the photographic skill of an untrained rock, but luckily am familiar with microfiber cloths. However I don't see the value in carrying one around as I had no such need with my GS3, a device made almost entirely of cheap plastic. I had no issue using the cloth from my T-shirt and pants pockets (soft, light material) to clean the screen and lens.
The current scratching is minimal and is not affecting my photos. But I know that unless I act now I will have those issues you mentioned. Whether its between buying a lens pen or carrying a microfiber cloth around, I'd much rather just slap a protector on it and call it a day.
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i just ordered this incase the Nillkin doesn't work out
http://www.slickwraps.com/HTC-One-M8-Lens-Protector-p/sw-htconem8-lenspro.htm
I, perhaps foolishly, had a rear camera protector put on my s21 ultra at one of the mobile phone accessory shops, a "no brand" one, then unfortunately I dropped my phone and one part of it cracked, right on top of one of the lenses (but thankfully did its job and protected the lens) so now my photos are blurry. Any tips on how I get the protector off? It seems stuck on very firmly and I'm reluctant to force it. I've since moved states and took it to another phone accessory shop/booth who sell the protectors but they said they don't know how to get them off...
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I, perhaps foolishly, had a rear camera protector put on my s21 ultra at one of the mobile phone accessory shops, a "no brand" one, then unfortunately I dropped my phone and one part of it cracked, right on top of one of the lenses (but thankfully did its job and protected the lens) so now my photos are blurry. Any tips on how I get the protector off? It seems stuck on very firmly and I'm reluctant to force it. I've since moved states and took it to another phone accessory shop/booth who sell the protectors but they said they don't know how to get them off...
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Can you post some pics?
I'd start by using a hair dryer or heat gun to soften the adhesive (as suggested by @[email protected] below) . Then get a plastic spudger and get it's edge between the protector and the camera housing and pry it off slowly. Avoid metal tools as the housing is aluminum and metal can scratch it. If the glue is very strong, use isopropyl alcohol to dissolve/weaken the adhesive (use a syringe or dropper to get very small quantities between the protector and camera housing) and see how it goes.
You could try heating it up a bit to loosen the adhesive.
Is heat a bad idea? Could the heat loosen up some adhesive in the camera or camera lenses that you don't want to be loose?
I'm also in the same boat.
What if you try to slide the protector over to the side?
I'm worried about pulling out one of the lenses if I pull straight off.
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Is heat a bad idea? Could the heat loosen up some adhesive in the camera or camera lenses that you don't want to be loose?
I'm also in the same boat.
What if you try to slide the protector over to the side?
I'm worried about pulling out one of the lenses if I pull straight off.
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I don't think a little bit of heat will be a problem. I use a hair dryer on the back of the phone every time i install a skin on my phone (every 2 months or so). Hasn't caused any issue so far. But it's your device, so you have to decide whether it's worth the risk.
Their is an air gap between the protector and the lens covers (those discs of glass that you can touch above the cameras, when there's no covering on the phone), which are recessed in the frame. The screen protector doesn't actually adhere to the lens covers, just the camera housing. I don't see how ripping out the protector will pull on the lens covers.
But like i said above, it's your device so choose whatever method you're comfortable with - as you have to live with the consequences. I'm only saying what i would do with mine if I had the same issue.
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I, perhaps foolishly, had a rear camera protector put on my s21 ultra at one of the mobile phone accessory shops, a "no brand" one, then unfortunately I dropped my phone and one part of it cracked, right on top of one of the lenses (but thankfully did its job and protected the lens) so now my photos are blurry. Any tips on how I get the protector off? It seems stuck on very firmly and I'm reluctant to force it. I've since moved states and took it to another phone accessory shop/booth who sell the protectors but they said they don't know how to get them off...
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Did you end up fixing it, I have the same problem.
KingFatty said:
Is heat a bad idea? Could the heat loosen up some adhesive in the camera or camera lenses that you don't want to be loose?
I'm also in the same boat.
What if you try to slide the protector over to the side?
I'm worried about pulling out one of the lenses if I pull straight off.
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Did you end up solving this? I have the same issue
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Did you end up solving this? I have the same issue
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Not yet, been too busy to prep.
But I'm going to try to remove by sliding the protector sideways across the lenses, so there will be a sideways force when the glue hopefully disengages. I'm hoping that's safer than pulling straight up away from the lenses.
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I'd start by using a hair dryer or heat gun to soften the adhesive (as suggested by @[email protected] below) . Then get a plastic spudger and get it's edge between the protector and the camera housing and pry it off slowly. Avoid metal tools as the housing is aluminum and metal can scratch it. If the glue is very strong, use isopropyl alcohol to dissolve/weaken the adhesive (use a syringe or dropper to get very small quantities between the protector and camera housing) and see how it goes.
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I followed these instructions and it worked perfectly! I used a bone folder (bookmaking tool made of bone) to pry up the corner. I guess a credit card would probably also work. Thank you.