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I have a Qtek 2020i and recently it got a serious battery problem. On a sudden the main battery started loosing its charge too early. It can become from 100% to 30% for a night (whan no operations are performed on the device). Before this breakdown the battery was loosing approximately 5% per night. At daytime when I use the machine, this process is quicker.
I use the battery for more than a year but the reason of the problem is not a battery. By the end of the day the meter shows 0% of the main battery (when in cradle, of course). Meanwhile the backup battery remains 100% and hard reset is not performed. If the main battery would really be 0%, I would loose all my data, but it never happens.
After I put my device in the cradle, it is "recharged" to 100% for less than an hour.
I made a hard reset of my device and after it the meter worked well. But after restoring the data from backup the problem reappeared.
I have some other problems that may be related to the battery problem. The Camera.exe looses its label in Programs and stops starting by pressing hardware button.
The device is loading slower after soft reset.
I change time for one Alarm. It works not only in the new time but also in all the previously set times.
There is a thread where similar problems were discussed, but there is no solution for the battery problem. Here is its link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282763&highlight=battery
The problem may be in the register or in the battery driver or wherever. Please, someone help me and describe the solution for the other users of Apline.
Sounds to me like your battery is knackerd it does happen look on e-bay loads of places (usually in Hong Kong) selling new ones maybe even get a uprated one the standard one in the XDA IIi is a 1300Ah they do sell 2400 and even 3600 Ah ones I am in the process of buying a 3600Ah one myself, they are not a vast fortune (around £15 GBP) and worth that.
I have an upgraded battery myself. The computer behaves with it like with the 1300. Only the bigger battery discharges slower. But still quicker than few weeks before. This is a software problem and it disappears after the hard reset. But i don't want to make a hard reset and reinstall all my programs from zero. Besides, the problem can reappear. So, this is not a solution.
Software cannot run a battery down alone unless you have something permanatly turned on, that would be your choice.
if there is a hardware fault that could
Moses_Ivanov said:
I have an upgraded battery myself. The computer behaves with it like with the 1300. Only the bigger battery discharges slower. But still quicker than few weeks before. This is a software problem and it disappears after the hard reset. But i don't want to make a hard reset and reinstall all my programs from zero. Besides, the problem can reappear. So, this is not a solution.
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i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit
The most likely option is that wireless is on and not being indicated by the led or on the display, go into connections and see if it shows or better still see if your laptops wireless connection can see the phone, sometimes the indicator does not show but it is active.
skeeve666 said:
i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit
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I never made an update of my firmware. Dou you mean a hard reset by reinstalling the firmware or some updating (new ROM version etc)? The batteries come without any firmware. My ROM version is 1.11.00 WWE. I guess, there must be an update, but after updating the ROM I will lose all the date on the device, and I don't want this happen.
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The most likely option is that wireless is on and not being indicated by the led or on the display, go into connections and see if it shows or better still see if your laptops wireless connection can see the phone, sometimes the indicator does not show but it is active.
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I made a test and my wireless is not on.
i ment the rom, sry i deal with pc`s all day and it tends to stick.
yup update the rom, this may be your porblem, but make sure you do not update it on a vista pc, as it wont and you will end up stuck in boot loader mode. only update on a XP machine.
failing that its a buggered battery
Now I will not do anything that can make me reinstall my programs (as i have many). I am looking for some registry key, a checkbox, a process to be killed to solve the battery problem and leave the whole system inchanged.
I already have a solution, but I am not satisfied with it. Thgat is to make a hard reset no backup. Naturally, I will have to reinstall all my programs after that.
This solution has two bad points:
1. Reinstallation of all programs. That is a several days of work.
2. I will not know the reason of the failure. If the problem keeps returning in future, I will have to repeat the whole process again and again.
After the hard reset the meter works good, so I am syre that the battery is not buggered.
I am begining to wonder if you have a virus in it causing the problem? do you have any AV software?
what software do u have on it that will take several days to reinstall? there may be some compatablitly problems with the programs fighting for resorces.
and if you do a hard reset u may as well update the firmware.
i have just installed a new touch screen on my dads 2020i (his second in 3 months) and had to reinstall over 16 programs and that only took 30mins including removing and resoldering the new touch pannel. his backup battery is dead ;[.
McAfee VirusScan McAfee VirusScan
I tested my device with Airscanner Mobile AntiVirus Pro and McAfee VirusScan. They did not find anything, as I had expected.
I also made a hard reset to my device and switched my batteries several times. The device was recognizing them and showing correct information about their state. Both batteries worked long and short periods of time. So, the batteries are perfectly alive as well as computer hardware.
I use my PPC extensively, as we are not allowed to have pirate software on office computers. So I often prefer the Pocket PC to the Desktop one. I have more than 50 programs installed on my Pocket PC: maintenance tools, GPS programs with maps and waypoints, a reader, a player with plugins, a dictionary with the complicated installation procedure, some games. The list is not full. The setups for all of them are situated in different places. I would also have to copy my contacts and appointments. These are not hard jobs, but there is too many of them.
Besides, I am not as proficient as you, skeeve666.
If I don’t find a solution for my problem, I will reinstall my software in the weekend. That will help me to make rearrangements in it. By the way, do you know, where the newest firmware is? Anyway by looking for the answer to the battery question I learn more about my device.
Who knows, maybe I am lucky.
Moses_Ivanov said:
I tested my device with Airscanner Mobile AntiVirus Pro and McAfee VirusScan. They did not find anything, as I had expected.
I also made a hard reset to my device and switched my batteries several times. The device was recognizing them and showing correct information about their state. Both batteries worked long and short periods of time. So, the batteries are perfectly alive as well as computer hardware.
I use my PPC extensively, as we are not allowed to have pirate software on office computers. So I often prefer the Pocket PC to the Desktop one. I have more than 50 programs installed on my Pocket PC: maintenance tools, GPS programs with maps and waypoints, a reader, a player with plugins, a dictionary with the complicated installation procedure, some games. The list is not full. The setups for all of them are situated in different places. I would also have to copy my contacts and appointments. These are not hard jobs, but there is too many of them.
Besides, I am not as proficient as you, skeeve666.
If I don’t find a solution for my problem, I will reinstall my software in the weekend. That will help me to make rearrangements in it. By the way, do you know, where the newest firmware is? Anyway by looking for the answer to the battery question I learn more about my device.
Who knows, maybe I am lucky.
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like is said if you hard rest u may as well flash your firmware, and you said u hard reset.
why is this a problem? and no offensese and no need for you to take one, as you already have. but i realy dont see why you wont try this as you have already "factory reset" aka hard reset your phone. but after a reflash backups wont work.
as for the latest firmware just look in the update section. you must not update in vista only on a xp pc.
but after all this, it may just be a hard ware prob that only effects your battery monitoring
The reason why my battery was discharging so quickly is not known to anyone, including the staff of a service center. So, I made a backup of a faulty system (as a memory) and did a hard reset.
After a day of installing over 50 programs my computer is better than ever. I did not dare to install some other firmware but I placed as much data as possible to the Storage Card and now I have a maximum of 50 Mb free Program memory and 46 Mb of Storage memory. I upgraded some programs and improved the work of the other.
I am thankful to everyone who showed interest to my battery problem. I wish everyone good luck in using Qteks.
do you have a link to a 3600 mAh battery?
skeeve666 said:
i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit
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Is that batterry much more thicker than original one? Could you upload a small photo to see how your device is look like with that battery installed?
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Is that batterry much more thicker than original one? Could you upload a small photo to see how your device is look like with that battery installed?
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unfortunaly this was a while ago, and that battery was set for recylcing, but it is alot more bulky it sticks out about 4-5mm i have gone with 3 original batteries just have to swap them out
I bought a 3600mAh battery from Hong Kong was about £9.99 if I remember right but it came with a new back to cover the thicker battery and that battery lasts me up to 48 hours provided I dont leave the screen turned on best thing I have done for it IMHO
did some digging and I put this in another post
think this is the link
http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/battery_centre/
it cost £9.99 plus I think it was £4.99 P & P
I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?
Yup - weird - I find exactly the opposite. I turn off my bluetooth when I do not specifically need it to SAVE my bettery.
Bill
I have an even different situation. Since I constantly use my bluetooth headset, I leave Bluetooth in the "On" mode all day and night. The thing is, I charged my battery until it was at 100%, left it on the counter (not charging) for the night (approx. 8-9 hours) and when I woke up, it was at 98%!
Keep in mind, Bluetooth and WiFi were both turned on. Good stuff.
Commas are your friend.
As it is, it's barely readable.
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I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?
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If your battery is draining over night when your not using it, it's probably because you have something running in the background. You might have "closed" something and then it was actually still running. Try installing AlltheWay's task manager. This aids in making sure nothing is running in the background.
I'd upload the cab but I'm at work and don't have it.
Getting a full days use out of your phone is NOT something you should be happy about. I get 2 days with Wifi and Bluetooth use.
@ kamilzmielca: Your Wifi connection goes to sleep when your phone does, so your Wifi actually wasn't running over night.
gqstatus0685 said:
I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?
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This could also be related to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371734
yeap, mine does the same thing, thought i was crazy, but with bluetooth on i save battery life.
Yeah man I thought I was going crazy also. To the previous poster all the programs are fully shut down. I've had many pda's (windows) and I am familiar with how they work. I fully shut everything down and then put it to sleep. Bluetooth seems to be extending my battery. Like I said before all my email I have setup in the phone I set so I manually have to send/receive instead of it looking for it at a predestined time. Nothing is automatically connecting (as in programs) I'll look a little deeper, it may be due to the radio version on my Kaiser. Any input on this guys?
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Yeah man I thought I was going crazy also. To the previous poster all the programs are fully shut down. I've had many pda's (windows) and I am familiar with how they work. I fully shut everything down and then put it to sleep. Bluetooth seems to be extending my battery. Like I said before all my email I have setup in the phone I set so I manually have to send/receive instead of it looking for it at a predestined time. Nothing is automatically connecting (as in programs) I'll look a little deeper, it may be due to the radio version on my Kaiser. Any input on this guys?
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you could try to measure the actual battery usage with "BatteryStatus" with and without bluetooth. Would be interesting to see the differences.
Maybe the bluetooth is slowly charging the phone when on through the radio waves! or some mad theory
I might give this a try as my phones lasts about a day atm
My phone lasts about a day at the most with full battery charge. 2 hour of talk time plus the other stuff I usually do. 2 days is crazy maybe you don't have as much programs on your phone so you use it less. (to the previous poster) I will get that battery program and do a test to see the difference.
another crazy idiot here: bluetooth on also gives me a longer battery life...
is this a joke from HCT??????
pietrucci said:
another crazy idiot here: bluetooth on also gives me a longer battery life...
is this a joke from HCT??????
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Your not crazy man! I'm doing a test now with BatteryStatus and notice that I actually get a lower mA reading with BT on. This is messed up.
When I fist read this thread I though everyone was nuts, now I think I've just entered the rubber room. lol
I could imagine, that some application or some part of the operation system is trying to communicate with the bluetooth stack. And when bluetooth is turned of, it tries it again and again. Where when bluetooth is turned on it justs recognizes, that bluetooth is on but no device is paired and doesn't bother any more.
Just an Idea. But it would be interesting to find out if this also happens with an absolutely clean device after hardreset. And if so, if this applys to all ROMs.
I mentioned in another thread, but I installed that new Google Search bar that came out the other day. It sits on your Today Page. Battery life went to heck when it was active. As soon as I disabled it, battery life improved. I'll try turning on BT. You never know.
Just an update.
I've flashed duttys new release (in my sig) and the mA reading is where its supposed to be (between 1-5) WITHOUT having bluetooth running. I'll test with BT on for a little and post back.
EDIT: With BT on I seem to have the same power drain as I would normally.... which is great cuz I usuall leave it on anyway.
This BT phenomena might have something to do with the flashed ROM you guys are using. I've got the standard HTC TyTN2 default ROM and BT on definitely sucks battery power more than without.
Very strange. I could even see it being possible...
With bluetooth on in standby it's doing sub-10mA (5-8mA). With the screen on, it's about 80mA to 100mA.
With bluetooth off in standby it's doing sub-10 again... maybe a little lower.... and with the screen on... still around 80mA.
Doesn't seem to be having the desired effect on my phone (stock O2 ROM), but then I can already get 2 days out of my phone without too many problems.
Now it only saves my battery granted if I'm not using a bluetooth headset. If i'm using bluetooth like via a headset it will drain fast. If I have it on but not using any Bluetooth devices it saves my battery.
Bluetooth on... wtf??
Hi all
... unbelievable, i test this on my device too, and i can confirm -> Bluetooth On (but not using it) saves my battery!!!
Info:
WM6 Pro CE 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
ROM: 1.56.408.5
Radio: 1.27.12.11
It could be added to the Wiki!!!
Hi there!
I recently changed my battery with an ORIGINAL new one because I had a problem... that is still here...
Every time I turn on wifi (even with 100% of battery) my phone turns off after 2 or 3 minutes (and it seems that's because of the battery.)
Sometimes it turns off even when I'm just calling (more often when the battery is less then 20-30%).
EDITED: 30-40 seconds before it turns off the screen and the physical keyboard backlight start to flicker.
EDITED: Now it turns off EVERY time I make or receive a call after 4-5 minutes!
Exemple: Today the battery life was around 50%. I tried to turn on wifi. After 2 minutes of wifi use it turned off. I tried to turn it on but there was the flashing red led and it turned off again every time (it was like uncharged ).
Then I tried to remove the battery for a few hours, I put it back in and the battery life was the same of before the "turning off" problem, around 50%. What does it mean??
My hypothesis is that it gets excessively hot when I use wifi and even when I call... But I don't really know what that's about..
[my ROM is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=586463, the english version. I got the right RADIO, I checked yesterday]
Thanks for any suggestion!!
Fabrizio
[sorry 4 bad English]
Try this...
Check the battery contacts on the phone -- clean them with a little isopropyl alcohol, and gently pry them up a little so they make solid contact with the battery.
I'll try what you say, thanks a lot!
I just want to say (I forgot it in the first post) that the screen and even the physical keyboard backlight start to flicker 30-40 seconds before the kaiser turns off.
After prying and cleaning the battery contacts the problem isn't solved yet. I didn't use the isopropyl alcohol, I'll try it asap.
Anyway now the problem is even worse, the kaiser shuts down each call after 2 or 3 minutes! Of course if the phone is charging (via usb) NO PROBEL, even the flickering isn't there any more...
Any other possibility of fixing that? (I have no warrantee, I really hope I fix that by my self just with your help!)
btry prob
well.. find out if one of ur friends has kaiser..... exchange batteries... i.e u isert his btry into ur kaiser and ur btry in his kaiser and then try the wifi n calls from both fones..... this will precisely tel u whether it a fault in the fon or u didnt get The genuine btry.... hope this helps.... do leme knw.....
Thanks for replying but I'm using a brand new battery and the problem is still the same of the old battery, nothing changed...
perhaps the problem is really not the battery but rather the battery's charging.
the point of exchanging your battery with a friend's battery is that you will be able to test your device with a known properly charged battery.
alternatively, you can try to charge your existing battery with an external battery charging pack or by inserting your battery in a friend's phone and let it charge there.
i understand that you claim your battery is brand new, and this is leading you to conclude that it can NOT be the battery at fault...but strange things happen in this strange world!
Wow I didn't see this problem from that point of view!
The only person I know that has a Kaiser is 600km far from me...
Now I have to find a way to properly charge my battery (if it isn't already properly charged of course!)...
But just one question: if the Kaiser is not charging good the battery, why should it "think" that it's 100% charged??
welllll.... trust me..... i once had a sony ericsson k770i. the shopkeeper said that it has ORIGINAL btry.... n it wud turn off after 20 min talk. so my advise is try another btry from another shop.....
But I tried with 2 different batteries, my old one and a new one and the problem is the same. I also have to say that it's always worse then before. Now even if I turn on the camera after some minutes it turns off, ora yesterday even when I was writing a text message.
Indeed it's possible that the battery is always less charged because the Kaiser doesn't charge it. The Kaiser works good when connected with usb to may mac...
well buddy, ur last post clearly suggests a prob with btry.... say hw much had u used ur old btry before changing it
I used a battery for around one year, but it was already used (I've bought a used Kaiser, in very good conditions, on eBay).
The problem I have started with the old battery and now it keeps torturing me with the new one... Today I had my phone charged, but after 4-5 hours without using it I received a call and of course it turned off (after the flickering screen) I'm desperate...
o boy... its 200% confirmed btry prob. i m guessing, if u wud talk with charger or data cable plugged in, it wud work for hours ryt? my sincere advice is, go to a trustworthy shop n get a new battery. i m also using a new btry but it gives really gud tym on wifi, wap n calls....
Well I really think the battery I've just bought is a brand new original Battery, I checked all codes, voltage and other stuff... BTW I think I'll try to use another orignal battery (I'm sure that's original) of a friend of mine's Kaiser before I buy a new one. Here in Italy battery and gadgets prices are really high... Thanks 4 the help anyway!
PS: I really hope it's a battery problem, because if it's something else I don't really know what to do.... thanks again!
Update: I noticed that if I don't use Camera, Wifi or even make calls at all, my kaiser works for 2-3 days with no problem. I send lots of text messages, play Solitaire or view my photo album for example...
Why just more "intensive" tasks should make my phone turn off in 2-3 minute?
I don't really understand... I hope I'll find someone in my town that can fix it... BTW thank for any help
Hey, guys, I tried dong some research but I can't find anyone with a similar problem.
I've got a T-Mobile (USA) G1 and I've got Cyanogen's Eclair ROM flashed on it. Prior to flashing Cyanogen's ROM, I was using OpenEclair. OpenEclair was working [relatively] well until my phone randomly started shutting off. I thought it was a battery calibration problem, so I recalibrated my battery by letting it die completely and then charging it fully, but that didn't work. I flashed Cyanogen's Eclair and hoped that my problem would be fixed, but the problem still persists.
I can't really isolate the problem. My phone can shut off in the middle of a call, in the middle of writing a txt message, or without me even using it while it's in my pocket. It shuts off regardless of the battery level (I've seen it shut off at like 97%). This wouldn't be THAT bad except the phone refuses to turn on right after it shuts off. When I press the power button, the phone will show the G1 logo for a few seconds and then shut off again as if it was dead. Sometimes if I press the power button, the phone won't turn on and I'll see the LED flash red which gives me the idea that the phone "thinks" it's dead. In order for me to turn the phone back on, I need to plug in the charger. This is becoming extremely annoying.
Does anyone know what the problem could be? I would try wiping/re-flashing but I don't wanna lose all my data :/
Thanks,
Gerard
I'm having the same exact problem ever since installing cyanogen 5.0.7 Test 1... so im not sure whats going on but i went to T-Mobile today... and they said my battery is warped or somethin not to tech savy... yet it was working fine like totally so... hmmm anyone know anything?
yea this has happened to me too! It shuts off randomly then i cant turn it back on until like 30 minutes later without touching it. I noticed that it happened after i flashed a open eclair rom that wouldnt start but i did flash it correctly. I have wiped battery stats and dalvik cache. Well i hope we can get some answers
I had the same problem I have tried just about every rom out there so dont remember when it started but i ordered a new battery off ebay for 10 bucks and havent had a problem since
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I had the same problem I have tried just about every rom out there so dont remember when it started but i ordered a new battery off ebay for 10 bucks and havent had a problem since
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So you think it's a hardware problem? I find it kinda hard to believe that all of us coincidentally got this problem after installing Ecalir ROMs...unless Eclair destroys our battery somehow?
:/
yeah same here but mine started with Amon Ra 1.2.3 and the blue haze rom. I updated my recovery to the latest 1.6.2 I think and switched to htcclay's superfast and the danger spl slso tmobile is comping me a new battery just to be safe, although switching rom's seem's to have helped my battery life a little. hope this helps someone.
Have you tried replacing the battery?
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Have you tried replacing the battery?
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Nah, I'm part lazy and part unconvinced that it's a hardware issue. I mean if the phone reads that the battery is like 95% charged, why would it just give out randomly? I don't know much about hardware though, so maybe I'm wrong...
I want T-Mobile to get a new Android phone that's like incredible I want a new phone already damnit!!
im just gonna buy a battery on ebay or something because my battery does look kinda swollen so it could possibly be the battery. Gonna give it a try though
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im just gonna buy a battery on ebay or something because my battery does look kinda swollen so it could possibly be the battery. Gonna give it a try though
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You think you could update us when you find out whether it changes anything or not? :/
This phone gets me really frustrated because first it started shutting off and now i have a unresponsive lock screen! I push all the buttons and the screen is black like if its turned off. I have to do a battery pull but theres a risk of the phone not turning back on and shutting off on the g1 screen. I was planning to buy the battery today but i think im just going to use a different phone for now. I hope someone can really resolve this problem. Cant wait for the samsung galaxy s
For what it's worth, I started having the same issue last week with my G1. I think it's entirely coincidental that you switched to the CM 2.1 Test branch and your phone started getting screwy.
I looked at my battery as the first suspect, and what did I find when I pulled it out of the case? A badly swolen battery. By the end of the week, the swelling had gotten so bad that it was visibly bulging the plastic backing on my G1.
I took it to 3 separate T-Mobile stores looking for a replacement battery. The first two were of no luck, but the 3rd finally had one in stock. The CSR saw my battery and almost freaked out. She says I was lucky that it didn't pop because it was ready to at just about any moment.
Long story short, since replacing my battery, I have had ZERO issues, and my battery life has once again been phenomenal (well, for the G1).
I just checked my battery and I think it's possible that it's swollen. On the side where it says "htc Innovation," is it supposed to be perfectly flat? There's like a rectangle that's slightly raised above the rest of surface. I'm a little hesitant to buy a $50 battery if that's the way the battery is supposed to be.
Thanks,
Gerard
Spontaneous power off - sunspots?
Yes, this happened to me fairly frequently about 3 months ago. Now it happens (maybe) once a week.
In my experience, it isn't a Cyanogen issue - it would spontaneous die when I used Enomther's official rom, SuperD (one of the previous versions), and some others. That made me think it was hardware, but ... I haven't changed hardware, and still drop the G1 into my pocket like usual.
So if it isn't ROM software and it isn't hardware, what is it - sunspots?
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I just checked my battery and I think it's possible that it's swollen. On the side where it says "htc Innovation," is it supposed to be perfectly flat? There's like a rectangle that's slightly raised above the rest of surface. I'm a little hesitant to buy a $50 battery if that's the way the battery is supposed to be.
Thanks,
Gerard
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It should be perfectly flat. A new, good battery does not have the bulging rectangle in the middle you are talking about. Mine did the same thing. In fact, both sides were swelling. The battery would no longer sit flush in the back. My theory was simply that some sort of movement was causing it to lose contact and shutting off the phone.
If you take the battery out and lay it flat the table, you shouldn't be able to rock it by pressing an edge. If you can, your battery is dying.
I just bought a battery yesterday on amazon for 15$ You should check it out. Hope this battery resolves my problem. I also fixed my lock screen issue. I had set cpu to 120 instead of 128 so it unresponsive.
I have the same problem, and indeed when i now look at it my battery seems a bit swollen. I ordered a replacement battery on dealextreme. They have a few different battery replacements for the G1 for cheap (and lots of other things, regular customer) with free shipping. So i hope that will fix my problem .
I found this thread because I've been having random shutoffs as if the battery were pulled (black screen immediately, no "Shutting Down" prompt first), and it would only do this when NOT charging. This started happening when I first ran Firerat's all-in-one script but I think it was coincidental. So anyways, I found this thread after wanting to pull my hair out because of the random shutoffs, and sure enough, I pulled my battery and it's a bit puffed out. Time for a new battery.
My question is : does anyone think this is a result of the extra strain placed on the battery / heat generated from being overclocked? Once I get a new battery, I'd like to prevent it from happening in the future.
definately a battery problem. had the same thing on my g1. got into a whole big argument about how it WAS NOT PHONE in the cyanogen6 thread. guess what....it was my phone.
its not the rom. its your phone. seriously.
also, just to point out, most of us here got our phones relatively early in its release, and lot of people are having this problem now apparently. battery has life of 2yrs by my calculations.
if you can mimic a reboot with the phone plugged into usb or wall charger...it may be rom. but if you phone DOES NOT DIE while PLUGGED IN...ITS YOUR BATTERY.
Had the same problem with my 2008 bought g1, swollen battery and random shutdowns. Just inserted an new bought battery. Hope it fixes the problem.
Hi
Can see a number of threads about short battery life, none quite match mine:
When I got the phone about 6 months ago I took it abroad with me in the first few weeks. Battery life with normal usage was about 24 to 36 hours with fair use.
Dropped the phone, back came off, battery fell out and gold contacts got damaged.
Ordered replacement OE battery from Amazon. Looks identical to original. Battery life as before, for about the first two weeks. Then got worse and worse until down to about 4 hours. Sent it back, replaced. Replacement is going the same way.
Haven't done anything with the ROM, it's all as it originally was, albeit I've installed more apps since it was new.
Battery meter thing built into the phone (in Settings) shows nothing remarkable.
What is odd, and coincidental: if I leave the phone next to me in the house, it won't always pick up emails on ActiveSync (Exchange) unless I activate it (e.g. bring it out of power down mode). At which point you can see it's dropped Wi-Fi. The icon has gone. A second or two later it reconnects (though not before it's used some 3G data - 3G is OK upstairs, barely a signal downstairs as we live at the bottom of a hill so often drops to "G") and then brings down the emails.
This means it churns through 500MB+ of data over its own 3G connection in a month even if I don't take it out of the house, and even when Wi-Fi is available to it, it chooses not to use it. Wi-Fi reception is pretty poor, compared with e.g. our laptop (that shows excellent strength downstairs, phone shows one bar). It did not do this when I first got it. Curiously my old HTC phone did this too, it struggled to switch properly between its own 3G and Wi-Fi and just got stuck on one or the other. We are in a weak signal area.
Are these things related?
Has the phone become faulty? (Bearing in mind battery life much better with the original one)
Is it just a duff batch of batteries and I should send the battery back for a refund, and get one somewhere else?
Thanks
Mark
Typical behavior for a counterfeit battery but the other symptoms suggest that something got damaged and is stressing the battery. Try re flashing the phone. A sudden loss of power could potentially damage some system files.
Thanks rogem_kk - can I just clarify, when you say "reflashing the phone" do you mean resetting it back to its original state (I'm guessing there's a key sequence you press, I can look in the manual to find that out) or completely reloading the OS?
As regards "sudden loss of power" sadly this happens quite often, because the phone crashes now and again and I have to take the battery off the back and put it back in again. The Android OS seems able to be completely taken down by a failing application (I think Flash movies on web pages are the main culprits) quite readily but I'd got very used to that since my last phone was a Windows Mobile one (the old one not the new one) which had the stability of a damp cardboard box in a strong wind.
I mean wiping it clean and installing the ROM from scratch. Factory reset only removes your data and does not restore/replace system files.
Now may be a great time to flash a custom rom, if it all goes well then do a back up with Nitrality app or similar, while you're at it try out a modem i9000 ZSJPG, you can flash it separately via ClockWorkMod, doubled my battery usage with it, great reception & coverage, that way if you at least get a genuine SGS battery you'll get the most from it.
If you're unsure of flashing you'll need to get reading in the rom section, not too hard to learn.
Many thanks.
Down to 3 hours idle time now - it drops by the day.
Have emailed Samsung on the off-chance they can identify a counterfeit battery from the serial number, so I'll see what they say. Could make for an interesting exchange with Amazon (direct, not via a reseller or third party).
Argos appear to be the "official" resellers for Samsung products in our area but they don't actually sell batteries. As otherwise I'd be tempted to buy one there on the basis that it ought to be genuine, and compare. But haven't rebuilt the phone yet, waiting to see what Samsung come back with.
Hmmm...
"Problems like this, although seemingly severe, can occur when the
Android software on your phone becomes out of date. You can update the
software by simply downloading our Samsung Kies programme. Follow the
link below and choose option ‘save’. Then for safe installation of the
drivers, once save is complete, turn your computer off for a few minutes
and reboot the PC. Once fully loaded again, without opening any
applications on the computer, simply connect your phone to the PC with
the USB lead, and your phone should be automatically set you finish the
installation of Kies. When Kies loads and finds your device, you should
be offered an update that will iron out these issues.
If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and
we will be more than happy to help."
I had one of those so called 'original batties' it was a load of rubbish. Still using original one but its no holding charge for as well after a year of use. Maybe time for a real replacement...
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Hi
Dropped the phone, back came off, battery fell out and gold contacts got damaged.
What is odd, and coincidental: if I leave the phone next to me in the house, it won't always pick up emails on ActiveSync (Exchange) unless I activate it (e.g. bring it out of power down mode). At which point you can see it's dropped Wi-Fi. The icon has gone. A second or two later it reconnects (though not before it's used some 3G data - 3G is OK upstairs, barely a signal downstairs as we live at the bottom of a hill so often drops to "G") and then brings down the emails.
This means it churns through 500MB+ of data over its own 3G connection in a month even if I don't take it out of the house, and even when Wi-Fi is available to it, it chooses not to use it. Wi-Fi reception is pretty poor, compared with e.g. our laptop (that shows excellent strength downstairs, phone shows one bar). It did not do this when I first got it. Curiously my old HTC phone did this too, it struggled to switch properly between its own 3G and Wi-Fi and just got stuck on one or the other. We are in a weak signal area.
Are these things related?
Has the phone become faulty? (Bearing in mind battery life much better with the original one)
Is it just a duff batch of batteries and I should send the battery back for a refund, and get one somewhere else?
Thanks
Mark
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Forgive the curtness of the email, am at work typing one handed while chowing down lunch
First point - you dropped your phone. I know that the new battery went okay for a while but is it possible that the phone itself may have been damaged?
Secondly, Email on Activesync over 3g will absolutely smash the hell out of your battery. Especially if you have push email going. Is it on push or is it set to check every so-and-so amount of time? Too short a period will kill the battery. The "Stock" email app that comes with Gingerbread 2.3.3 or lower seems to be just a big hog over push (for me at least). I also recommend changing the email "Amount To Sync" to a shorter number of days and set the amount of data to a lower value than stock (ie, "Headers Only" or 50k or something) so you download attachments on **your** terms.
Thirdly, you state you're in a poor reception area. This will most definitely affect the battery as the phone on a low signal or zero signal will waste battery trying to reconnect to the tower. Check your "Cell Standby" and see how muck time without connection you have. If it's anything above nothing, it's draining your battery. I recommend flashing a new modem (you'll need to investigate which one is good for your region/country/carrier) through ODIN (or Heimdall). Be careful when doing this and make sure you read up on the hows and what-to-do and what-not-to-do before you do - there is a (small) chance of you killing your phone and I do *not* want you to come back onto this thread and say it blew up (I want you to say "YAY THANKS WOGFELLA" ) Doing this voids your warranty so only do it if you either don't care or you really really want to fix your issue (and by default you don't care)
Fourthly, your wifi coming on and off - go to your Wifi settings, press your menu button and click ... advanced? Can't recall exactly (on ICS now). From there you can set your "Wifi Sleep Policy" to either "Never" or the other option that I can't recall. The default is set to turn the Wifi off when screen is off which of course means you lose your Wifi connection. **For your Email issue, try this first.**
Fifthly, your Wifi signal being weak in your display does not *always* equate to an actual poor connection. Sammy does many great things, but he does mess about a bit with icons and funny business. Check step four above and if you get bad Wifi reception when the phone is off (or while using it) then try messing about with your Router settings and also with the settings on your phone (take notes before doing so, I'm just throwing you ideas here....don't come back to me and ask me how to reset your router settings either!!!)
If that doesn't help then try flashing a custom kernel (kernel controls the Wifi). As above, doing this will void your warranty.
Sixthly, you say that everything was hunky dory and then went haywire. I reckon there may be an app doing funky things.
Try installing CPUSpy from the market and check to ensure your phone is going into decently long periods of "Deep Sleep"
Also, try installing the below app from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
You're looking for high "Wakelocks" which will impact on your phone being awake instead of...well, asleep...when the screen goes off. Awake phone = cpu processing (even if it's not doing anything) = battery drain. Use Chamonix's recommendations on what is classed as a high amount of wakelock.
Facebook 1.7 for example, keeps the phone awake while checking notifications that just plain ain't there. For me, once I wiped this app, I regained about an extra 2-4 hours per day in use.
Seventhly, look over this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939752
Has a heap of tips that helped me (before I got sick of stock Sammy and jumped to CM7 and then ICS)
Eighthly, and this is one that probably doesn't need to be said - cycle your battery and (controversial) bump charge. I mean, let the battery drain fully. Take the battery out for 5 mins. Put it back in and see if it turns on, and if it does repeat. Then fully charge to 100% and then unplug and plug back in. If your phone is already rooted then you can also wipe Battery Stats from Recovery.
Lastly - have you tried factory resetting your phone? It may wipe whatever it is that's making your phone freak out (if not the email) and you can start again. If you find that the battery goes bananas again after installing that app, you've found your issue.
So...to sum up:
Check your phone contacts.
Check your Wifi sleep policy.
Check your Email update rate.
Check the length of time you have the sync set for,
and the amount of data per email downloading.
Check to see if you are going into deep sleep.
Check to see if there are any apps holding wakelock (and bugger them off)
More extreme:
Factory reset.
Mess with your router settings if your wifi signal is still weak.
Very Extreme.
Flash Modem
Flash Kernel.
One thing not specified: What version Android are you running? SGS comes from Eclair up to (once Cyanogen and TeamHackSung get it rolling properly) Ice Cream Sandwich.
Hopefully *SOMETHING* in the above helps you.
Good luck!
Thanks for taking the time.
Sorted out the Wi-Fi sleep issue, CPU Spy showed the phone was going into deep sleep when idle, so no "smoking gun" discovered with that.
Reset phone, and set it back up again with basic email and no new installed apps. Have left it on default (minimal) donwload settings. Had already got rid of Facebook.
Battery life is better. Have begun reinstalling a few apps now and keeping an eye on it.
Will report back - thanks again all.
dtmark said:
Thanks for taking the time.
Sorted out the Wi-Fi sleep issue, CPU Spy showed the phone was going into deep sleep when idle, so no "smoking gun" discovered with that.
Reset phone, and set it back up again with basic email and no new installed apps. Have left it on default (minimal) donwload settings. Had already got rid of Facebook.
Battery life is better. Have begun reinstalling a few apps now and keeping an eye on it.
Will report back - thanks again all.
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No dramas - just be careful as CPU Spy will show length of time in deep sleep but a high proportion of wakelocks won't really be detected and those wakelocks are the ones that smash your battery when sitting "idle"
As you have reset then I think you need to let your battery calibrate first (let it drain fully and recharge fully a few times and that's all you can do if you haven't rooted your phone)
.. one more update..
Battery life is better, but not much better. It still won't last a day without charge even with very light use, 7 hours is about the maximum. I'm certain it used to be better than that when I got it e.g. it survived a whole day on holiday using email and maps quite a bit.
Have changed to 3 from O2 but will have to revert back as 3 doesn't get a signal at all downstairs in some parts of the house. Does mean the phone is going on and off network a lot at the moment.
I reverted to Samsung to tell them their link didn't work and they have sent a link to an authorised dealer for parts if I wanted to buy another battery. I'm all for buying the real thing which is why I bought an (apparently) OE one from Amazon which was about £16 not the £5 that some were.
However this is, er, forty four pounds for a tiny little battery.
http://www.4mysamsung.co.uk/cgi-bin/product.pl?PID=2986318&brand=&model=galaxy s&part=
They also sent links to repair centres.
Now I plugged it into charge earlier, and even after 8 hours, it was dead. Plugged it in again - beeps once as normal - nothing on the display - still not charging. Take battery out, put back in, repeat. Charging now.
Might make you wonder if that part of the phone got damaged e.g. the "socket" where the mini USB thing/charger goes in, but, it's always worked before. It doesn't for instance fail to detect if I plug into the PC and it's never done this before either.
Given how much the battery is and the fact it might be getting to the point of dying altogether I wonder whether to just get a quote for repair and go that way for certainty.
One might have thought it's as simple as: take the thing somewhere and have the battery tested to prove one way or the other.. but I'm really not sure where would do that other than the repair place.
I'd be prepared to try replacing the OS as suggested, but it does remain the fact that the thing worked better when I first got it and even after a complete reset it's still playing up so I feel a sort of mental paralysis over what's best to do now
I'll have a look at the wakelocks thing next when it charges again. If it charges