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Hi all,
I just got my wing, I use the USPL method flashed serveral roms and in the process of finding the best rom that fit me. I wanted to try the Touch-IT, but this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358332
said that we need to have hard SPL before updating. I tried to read as many as I can, but I still don't understand when we HAVE to use hard SPL and when we just can USPL? what is the requirements or factors that determine them? Thanks in advance. In my understanding so far, USPL will not brick the phone while Hard SPL may brick the phone. Am I right? this is the reason I try to stick with USPL.
with USPL, you can't recover your phone if you do not have an RUU for it if you mess up a flash (actually you can, but its a bit complicated)
HardSPL is a more permanent (still removable) cid-unlock. If your device is HardSPL'd and you mess up a flash and your device does not have an RUU, you can always flash it again.
or something like that. Truth be told, sometimes its just nice to have choice, even if our HardSPL is technically stolen from olipro
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with USPL, you can't recover your phone if you do not have an RUU for it if you mess up a flash (actually you can, but its a bit complicated)
HardSPL is a more permanent (still removable) cid-unlock. If your device is HardSPL'd and you mess up a flash and your device does not have an RUU, you can always flash it again.
or something like that. Truth be told, sometimes its just nice to have choice, even if our HardSPL is technically stolen from olipro
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Thank you for your explaination. What i am looking for is when do I know that i can do USPL and when I MUST do Hard SPL. Because when I download a rom, some says I MUST have Hard SPL to make it to work while some does not say anything, just the zip file with the .nbh inside. By the way, when you say having a RUU for the device, do you mean the official one we can download from t-mobile.com? Again thank for your help. I am still try to learn as much as I can.
Best regards
Obviously, you have a wing, so yes there is an RUU. And it IS the one from tmobile.com. I get mine from the xda-devs ftp, but it's the same thing.
I see no reason why HardSPL would be absolutely required, and because you have the RUU, i see no harm in trying to flash using USPL. Try it, tell us what happens.
And before you may or may not ask, Olipro says that canonyang took his HardSPL after saying it did not work, renamed it, and posted it as his own work. Evidently, canonyang was caught because it was date stamped. Evidently.
fzzyrn said:
Obviously, you have a wing, so yes there is an RUU. And it IS the one from tmobile.com. I get mine from the xda-devs ftp, but it's the same thing.
I see no reason why HardSPL would be absolutely required, and because you have the RUU, i see no harm in trying to flash using USPL. Try it, tell us what happens.
And before you may or may not ask, Olipro says that canonyang took his HardSPL after saying it did not work, renamed it, and posted it as his own work. Evidently, canonyang was caught because it was date stamped. Evidently.
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Excellent explaination. It much much clear for me now. I tried almost all the famous rom such as the Open Touch, the TouchIT, ... but I like ASarg's the most. I am tempted to tried the Just2Clean, but it said it need to be flash using the SD card, which I don't have one right now. Agian, thank you
There may be a different question going on here?
fzzyrn said:
I see no reason why HardSPL would be absolutely required, and because you have the RUU, i see no harm in trying to flash using USPL. Try it, tell us what happens.
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There is a different but allied question going on here? aSerg's ROM says that you cant flash his ROM unless you have an ipl.spl of at least 4. Perhaps it may be worthwhile explaining how you judge which boot loader one has, what it's relevance is, if ANY Wings have a lower boot loader and if so, how you upgrade the boot loader?
By the way, his hitherto extraordinarily successful thread has just petered out: Is everyone waiting for the new ROM (references to "family problems" etc) or is it being moved to the WM6 area with a new thread?
ALL wings (as in Tmobile branded) have IPLs and SPLs of more than 4.
to check, soft reset while holding down the camera key. After that it gets self explanatory.
Yes, not all Heralds are Wings but I wonder if they do all have the same hardware?
fzzyrn said:
ALL wings (as in Tmobile branded) have IPLs and SPLs of more than 4.
to check, soft reset while holding down the camera key. After that it gets self explanatory.
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Thank you for clarifying that for everyone's benefit as there was some confusion on this: As I implied in my post, I suspected that all Wings had this but notice that if he is still around, aSerg is in Russia and I dont know if T-Mob operates there. So we cant know if all Heralds have this and nowhere is it explained that all Heralds have the same hardware.
While we are on this subject, do you know if there is any problem using VoIP with the Wing? None of the Wing ROMs seem to include it, aSerg had it in his original ROM but took it out even though there were no reported problems with it and there is reference around to T-Mob wanting to limit it's use to their own system. Why is everyone cooperating with them by not including it in ROMs? I wonder if this is anything to do with hardware issues with differences between versions of the Herald? No one seems to have posted cab files for it for the Wing, though interestingly cye3212 says at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400642&highlight=VoIP&page=85 that hers constantly invokes and wont turn off!! (her problem must be something to do with the WHENEVER AVAILABLE setting?)
the herald and the wing (really just the HTC atlas, which is really a herald with the round keys in the front) have exactly the same hardware, keyboard excepted (region dependant)
now. VoIP. I've never used voip, but i would guess that it was taken out because it was a) against the TOS of a majority of carriers or b) not too good because we can only manage EDGE data.
and by the way, i forgot to mention. ROM development for the Herald seems to have stalled. Why? Itje has a polaris, ttran has a wife (itje does too, i think), ivan has school, papamopps has a job.
somebody needs to be our savior and pop-out a wm6.1 smartphone rom for the herald.
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and by the way, i forgot to mention. ROM development for the Herald seems to have stalled. Why? Itje has a polaris, ttran has a wife (itje does too, i think), ivan has school, papamopps has a job.
somebody needs to be our savior and pop-out a wm6.1 smartphone rom for the herald.
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My internship will be ended next week. I am planning to start to cook my own rom (since I don't have a wife ...yet or a polaris ..., but I love my wing). I looked over Ivan's cooking class, but it doesn't seem to be completed yet. Do you guys know any good cooking tutorials or references? Thanks
Most development seems to be for the Wizard
live4nothing said:
My internship will be ended next week. I am planning to start to cook my own rom (since I don't have a wife ...yet or a polaris ..., but I love my wing). I looked over Ivan's cooking class, but it doesn't seem to be completed yet. Do you guys know any good cooking tutorials or references? Thanks
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The best place to start looking is by mozying over to the Wizard forums where there are cooking classes and sample kitchens etc etc etc. A lot of these devices are very similar and a lot of what applies to one will apply to the others. That is why I cant understand what is meant by putting out differing .cab files for different processors and letting users try to figure out what OMAP is an ARM etc.. But I digress!
BTW i cant see how installing VoIP can conceivably be a violation of any TOS or why anyone who has unlocked their device should care about this. For that matter, I have a few spare devices around and wanted to use them as SIPs without SIM cards in them. Not sure where TOSs come into that equation? But when cooks take them out of their ROMs, no one seems to complain and I have often asked questions about use of VoIP with various HTC phones and no one (not even Schap) ever seems to know the answer. Besides, the main cab file for them seems to be a Microsoft file!
First, this is a great site and I have looked at many threads. But I still need some help.
I got a sd card (4G) and started moving some file to the card like the owners manual said. But I guess I moved something I shouldn't as my phone went crazy. It wouldn't get a service signal and among other things.
So I preformed a HardReset and reset the phone. But that seemed to cause the same problem. So I researched the web awhile and read of an update for moble 6, so i downloaded and flashed my phone. Now the problem is that I can't perform a HardReset.
My ??? are:
What can I do to fix this?
And without getting a cooked ROM, are there any good "cab's" that would improve my phone?
ummmm i dunno of any actual cabs.... But why not a "lite" custom rom? since it sounds like your looking for memory.
I wasn't planning on a Rom, because I read that it voids the warrenty. But after finding out that my warrenty has expired and t-mobile won't do anything. Are there any current Roms that are good. Must have internet sharing.
I currently use OpenTouch Project 7.7 Lite, Its been smooth running with lots of free memory... But it doesnt have Internet sharing...I do believe that a CAB can be downloaded to get that option though.... itll just take me a bit to find a good one... If you want I can look. However...... I KNOW that ITsPapaBlack 6.1v2 has it as I have used it.... But I believe there are some windows vista isues
I think I know where to look to get the cab for internet sharing, but would I have to input the information that t-mobile put on the phone. Or would it be already on it with the cab? As for OpenTouch Project 7.7, where could I find info about it?
Her ya go man.... All OTP 7.7 Roms thats a link to the downloads... as for info TTrans OTP 7.7 Thread. And btw ANY info you need on the mo network is available via their website. you can get step by step walkthroughs on how to setup the network. but the OTP 7.7 has a network setup wizards so it should do it all for ya!
I believe most ROMs have the network wizard built in, so you should be fine. As far as light ROMs go, there's a few (most of my ROMs are lite, too.) If you want ultimate in space and RAM, JustME or Just2Clean might be a good choice. (70MB FREE of storage.) But really your best bet is to try different ones and see which ones you like best. Try a little opentouch, a little itspapa's, a little just's, etc and see what you like best.
Not to hijack a thread but I have tried the OpenTouch ROMs and I notice that the MS Direct Push is no longer available. Is that due to Office 6.1 not being loaded in that ROM?
Lance
Thanx for your input. I think I'll try a few to see how they work and which one fits my needs. Right now I am trying out some .cab's and picking the ones that helps.
Oh, and do any of those ROM's ha Internet Sharing? If not, I take it that I'll have to install a .cab. But if I do that, do I have to input the information so I can use it. This is important as IS is my only internet access. Thanx.
Not sure as I only use my own ROM. I know that my most of my newer ROMs have it and as long as you run the network wizard (which runs automatically on my ROMs) then it will work without any settings having to be inputed. Just read up on the ROM's thread and you'll find out if a particular ROM has it or not.
Well I had to send my wing back as the OK button was broken so I'm trying to acquire a new one. However I flashed the 7.5 of Open Touch and noticed that it wasn't there...I'll look around for the network wizard as I've been reading all the threads and didn't see anything on that. May I ask what ROM you run? When I get a new one I'll flash that and see what I get.
Thanks
Lance
Robertsonland said:
Well I had to send my wing back as the OK button was broken so I'm trying to acquire a new one. However I flashed the 7.5 of Open Touch and noticed that it wasn't there...I'll look around for the network wizard as I've been reading all the threads and didn't see anything on that. May I ask what ROM you run? When I get a new one I'll flash that and see what I get.
Thanks
Lance
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I run a modified version of my own Just2Clean. (It was a test built but I haven't had a chance to change it in a while.)
JUst2Clean
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Not sure as I only use my own ROM. I know that my most of my newer ROMs have it and as long as you run the network wizard (which runs automatically on my ROMs) then it will work without any settings having to be inputed. Just read up on the ROM's thread and you'll find out if a particular ROM has it or not.
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Ok, thanx. I do believe I took a quick look at your Just2Clean. So I think I look at it more in-depth.
Yeah I was thinking of looking at the Just2Clean and the JustMe ROM I think. youmanmike, if you load it up let me know what you think of it. I just bought a new wing on Ebay tonight so hopefully when it gets here I'll be able to flash it. I'd like to hear what you think about the ROM you go with.
Lance
Well youman mike.... looks like ya got plenty of info... Ive yet use any of the "Just" ROMS but I DO plan on making my own ROM eventually.... so his cooking class may help me! I start 3rd shift next week Ivan.... I may start you classes then =) Hopefully youll be around to answer my silly questions =P Let us know what ROM you flash and how it goes youmanmike!
ROM??? Looking at Manilla
I still haven't figured out what ROM to use. I kind of got side track on Manilla. I like the way it looks and from what I've read it sounds like it works good also. Now I'm trying to figure out how to use/install it. LOL
Ive tried many different roms and many different radios and still havent found one that works great. most of the problems i have is with the keyboard for some reason on certain radios my keyboard will lag and different keys will not work all the time. and the weird thing is that if i change the radio it changes what keys work and dont work. i recently tried the newest rom and radio released on the htc website and that didnt help. another question can i download the rom for the htc tytn 2 from the website and flash it on a att tilt? thanks again for the help
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Ive tried many different roms and many different radios and still havent found one that works great. most of the problems i have is with the keyboard for some reason on certain radios my keyboard will lag and different keys will not work all the time. and the weird thing is that if i change the radio it changes what keys work and dont work. i recently tried the newest rom and radio released on the htc website and that didnt help. another question can i download the rom for the htc tytn 2 from the website and flash it on a att tilt? thanks again for the help
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Sometimes you need to change language when flashing certain roms diffrent from stock, if not match youre HK will be remaped to whatever the flashed ROM tells it todo . Example:
I am Norwegian so I have to change Curlang to 414 (414 Hex, 1044 Dec). I do this by searching up Curlang in my register (should be in: HKLM/Hardware/Devicemap/Keybd), then I Soft Reset. DONE! My Keyboard is now supporting ÆØÅ and all the oter keys and so on, just as I am used to on Norwegian Shipped/Stok Roms.
There are floating alot of curlang cabs for the diffrent phones in here, dig in or perhaps someone will post it for you.
its not just the mapping its just the keyboard wont type a letter unless i press it like 3 or 4 times. and im pretty sure its the radio and not the keyboard because if i change the radio different keys are effected. i no it sounds weird but im sure its not the keyboard or the mappings
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its not just the mapping its just the keyboard wont type a letter unless i press it like 3 or 4 times. and im pretty sure its the radio and not the keyboard because if i change the radio different keys are effected. i no it sounds weird but im sure its not the keyboard or the mappings
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I would deffently reflash to stock ROM asap! If its not rom/radio related I would suspect you got some fluid under HK? By the way you say diffrent (like in random?) keys ad affected makes me suspect its HW related if its really not as simple as radio. The remap should be the same on same country ROM`s for you, and the mapping is done in the register. If its radio related, you whole device should act strange and dodgy IMO.
ya i get what ur saying but when i use my gfs att sim card she doesnt have any problems only with my tmobile sim card
crackzattic said:
ya i get what ur saying but when i use my gfs att sim card she doesnt have any problems only with my tmobile sim card
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Kinda relevant information, you shoulda sticked in there first place my friend Tmobile I have no experience on radio to share. Think you need to dig into radio treads as its probobly then as youreself concluded radio related. Just try combine diffrent roms -> radio until you find a good match then take notes of the given radio. I would also search more for other Tmobile comments on radio issues from the memebers.
Dont know how updated this is but belive you can take it for a spin: [4 December] The Ultimate Radio Thread
i have searched and it seems like noone has shared their tmobile radio experiences. ive been fooling with this phone all night and i may have a conclusion. i used jockeyw's unlock method and i believe my hardspl isnt upgraded to the 3.29 or 3.56 like the new roms require. i have tried to upgrade and still wont change my bootloader info. on my tricolored screen the 2nd line says "SPL-1.0.OliPof" which i am assuming is SPL1.0 not SPL 3.29. this is very frustrating because i cant change it no matter what hardspl i do. i even tried this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061 and it still didnt help. i think this is all the info i can come up with i hope someone can help
Some SPL Wiki reading called for
crackzattic said:
i used jockeyw's unlock method and i believe my hardspl isnt upgraded to the 3.29 or 3.56 like the new roms require.
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So if you're using a Windows Mobile 6.0 compatible SPL (version 1.xx) with a WM 6.1 ROM that can give a host of problems, including freezing. I used this SPL Questions part of the wiki to change from the OliPof 1.0 SPL to a HTC 1.93 SPL the other day and using JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.exe it worked fine so there's something you're not doing right. If you describe what happened after you tapped Kermit, (including any RUU error messages) it may help us diagnose whats going on. I suggest you re-read that part of the wiki as well as this is getting a bit spoon-feeding-ish (which xda-dev is not about).
I have Hard SPL 3.56 and use KAIS_Radio_1.70.18.02 with PDA_Corner Ultimate X Beta II (ROM). My average download speed via tethering is now about 27 KB/s. It used to be only about 20 to 22 KB/s. Also make sure that you install the Tilt keyboard fix cab that is on the WIKI page if you are using a Kaiser ROM on an AT&T Tilt.
Hey All,
Im back in the game after a couple years off.
I picked up my HD today. (was considering diamond2 or even tpro2 but the HD is the same hardware in a nicer form factor and I can live with the onscreen KB)
its the BLAC120 version, ie, 850/2100 UMTS bands. so i have freedom in AU to chose my telco as well as in the USA.
Now. my question....
i see the hard spl is for blac100 and USPL doesnt seem to work on Windows 7 x64 due to the USB driver not being compatable.
So how do I flash hard spl (if one is avail) or use USPL.
Then
which ROM do you recommend? is miri's rom stable? any major issues (yes there are 600+ posts but cannot read it all).
Or is dutty's v3.4 with wm6.1 a good option?
Radio? these roms above come with the radio packaged? or just the OS? my radio isnt the 900/2100 but instead is the 850/2100.
ANy help will e greatly appreciated.....
current ROM is the Telstra bloatware version... and currently running nothing except Lotus Notes Traveler.
Cheers
JJ
USPL works with the recommended driver fix.
About Roms' i tested both , both are good depends now what you want
Miri's rom have a little more bugs , but it's very good on resources arround 35%
Dutty's rom interface old 6.1 , resources arround 40-45% , with not so many bugs
So now it's u're decision, better try both in 10 min u'll flash both
p.s. roms yes they came with radio package and other programs , you just flash
Hey mate hope I can help (and that i'm right)
I have just recently put hspl on my HD and been flashing quite a few roms.
Most roms do not come with radios, most of Dutty's do come with radios.
I have flashed Dutty's 3.4, Miri v12, MaryONE, and Lost in Asia and each one has been very good although I prefer usability of win 6.5 (New start menu, still has manilla, better finger scrolling in all menu's etc).
As far as Rom's being stable, you will find that most are more than stable enough. The issues I have had with Roms is because i installed a crappy application or something.
The only way to find a rom you like is to keep on flashing, I recommend trying miri's (6.5) to start off with, it gives the latest build (most of the time) and is rather generic. Then try Dutty's(6.1), then decide if you prefer 6.5 or 6.1, then find the roms in that version of win and flash away. It also depends on what apps you want. Start off with the premiums that come with alot of apps, then decide if you use them all or not.
My last advice, is to get the microsoft myphone and sync your data to a server (or use PIMbackup) to backup ur contacts, sms, calander etc. Make sure you test the rom first before installing a whole bunch of apps. IE: restore your data and use the phone for a bit, see if you like it etc. No use spending an hour or so putting ur stuff back on to realize you don't like something about it!
I have flashed so many versions of rom's, it gets quite addictive! Good luck
noob question?!!! wow, after over 1000 posts
anyway the only allowed comparison between ROMs is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516190
any other "comparison" thread is cut short (locked) because almost of all the other parameters for comparison are subjective: what I like you might not, i have certain apps you have others and so on...the only real good advice u got till now is from onlinepredator:
The only way to find a rom you like is to keep on flashing
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keep reading (i always start from the end) a few pages in each thread, try some and you''ll find "the one". good luck!
thanks so far. im assuming miri's ROM doesnt contain a radio.
with USPL, issue im facing is that the USB driver isnt compatable with windows 7 x64. If I can ge this to install then USPL is a breeze.
i flashed my Telstra HD via USPL with Windows 7 x64 using the old driver. Press F8 before Windows 7 boots and disable driver signing to install the old driver and flash your phone. good luck and enjoy your phone!
Noob Question from JJ Best joke today for me, welcome back JJ Black rom coming?
BEST ROM
i use LAURENTIUS V .2.2 2.3 will coming up next
best battery life and more stable;
p.s. i ve tried 3 another ones
Welcome Back Old Mate
Hi old mate,
I laughed my head off when I saw your message about a Noob question. I have always admired your ROMs and installed them on so many devices for myself and my friends alike (I do miss those good old days).
My simple recommendation after trying the HD since its first day of availability.
1) Use HardSPL 1.56 so you can flash from the SD card with the new SPL from HTC.
2) Skip WM 6.1 and go for WM 6.5. I keep switching between Miri's ROMs and PhamQyang's and David's. They are the best. My personal preference is Miri's so far (unless our old friend jasjamming has some wicked plans to cook a better All Black ROM
jasjamming
Nice to see you back!
You might like to check out Sashini
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewforum.php?f=7
It will get your turnaround time on flashing roms down to less than 20mis and allow you to try them all.
Wiki has a lot of good info some maybe to basic for.
Which is best for you is your choice and its subjective, the reason that we (I) am closing threads like this is to keep Development clean and based on Development.
We all know how bad Windows 6.1 performed thanks to HTC never providing us with the correct video drivers...
I just installed 6.5 from this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519715
And now my phone is UNBELIEVABLY sluggish, I mean 2 second delays between selections and screen changes...this is pathetic really
I thought people were saying 6.5 was faster
Anybody else have this problem
I don't know any of that. 6.1 was good to me and 6.5 better.
Just because you have problems doesn't mean we do.
You should be posting on TCP's thread. I'm using it and very happy .. in certain aspects, it's faster.
Did you flash OEM before doing this? SPL version and Radio is important too ..
anagarika said:
You should be posting on TCP's thread. I'm using it and very happy .. in certain aspects, it's faster.
Did you flash OEM before doing this? SPL version and Radio is important too ..
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Im Having issues too.
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You should be posting on TCP's thread. I'm using it and very happy .. in certain aspects, it's faster.
Did you flash OEM before doing this? SPL version and Radio is important too ..
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I am a bit curious about that. I unlocked mine with hard-SPL after much fight getting it to run and installed the new radio packed with it and then updated to TCP Elite, and for some reason, the radio is acting up, I can get calls and when I hang up, I get this wierd humming noise even while hung up, afterwards which the phone wont answer calls. (Radio version is 1.70.Olinex, SPL 1.0 Olipof). Also, the camera doesnt work either. Anyone else having any issues with this and if so, what fixed it?
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I am a bit curious about that. I unlocked mine with hard-SPL after much fight getting it to run and installed the new radio packed with it and then updated to TCP Elite, and for some reason, the radio is acting up, I can get calls and when I hang up, I get this wierd humming noise even while hung up, afterwards which the phone wont answer calls. (Radio version is 1.70.Olinex, SPL 1.0 Olipof). Also, the camera doesnt work either. Anyone else having any issues with this and if so, what fixed it?
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I would suggest reading the flashing for noobs guide again, as you have a radio that is hacked to unlock the phone and isn't meant to be used everyday, and you have an SPL that is in the exact same boat. Read my sig as to what I have for a Radio and my SPL, they work great for me!
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I would suggest reading the flashing for noobs guide again, as you have a radio that is hacked to unlock the phone and isn't meant to be used everyday, and you have an SPL that is in the exact same boat. Read my sig as to what I have for a Radio and my SPL, they work great for me!
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Thanks. I am running what I am running due to having the white screen issue as well as the "rare" (per another thread somewhere) USB connection issue, so the ones I am running are because of all the hassle it took to get the USB to connect. Once I did, I was a little nervous about going much further. Thanks for the updates. I will surely look into it after work.
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Thanks. I am running what I am running due to having the white screen issue as well as the "rare" (per another thread somewhere) USB connection issue, so the ones I am running are because of all the hassle it took to get the USB to connect. Once I did, I was a little nervous about going much further. Thanks for the updates. I will surely look into it after work.
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Just flash via SD card... I would upgrade your Hard SPL first, then upgrade your Radio... no need to hard rest after flashing any of those... just follow the sticky guides in the ROM Development forum.