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TouchFlo Cube on Kaiser (well sort of!)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326523&highlight=touch.dll+cube
Post 11 has a 'this cab' hyperlink
I installed it and followed the instructions, and now have the cube by hardware button but can't make it spin with my finger (aaargh!).
I am off to a wedding so can't play more for a few days.
Is there more to it? I would have thought the Kaiser had the correct type of touchscreen to do this, since we have the scroll TouchFlo, which is ironically what's missing here!!
Cheers,
Joe

Just giving this a bump. Is nobody into the cube interface like the Elf (HTC Touch) has?
This, imho, is the app that makes the kaiser the iphone killer for sexiness !
Cheers,
Joe

The "touch ability" of the TyTN II's screen is not as sensitive as the HTC Touch. The touchability is not very good. If you try using your finger to scroll down a web page you will find that you have to apply quite a bit of pressure. Pushing the screen is decent, but finger motion tracking is very poor.

w4rmk said:
The "touch ability" of the TyTN II's screen is not as sensitive as the HTC Touch. The touchability is not very good. If you try using your finger to scroll down a web page you will find that you have to apply quite a bit of pressure. Pushing the screen is decent, but finger motion tracking is very poor.
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If the hardware is there I really expect cookers here to fix the software response at some point when the Kaiser is more widely available.

While it looks cool to spin the cube by sliding the finger across the screen, wouldn't it be more direct and quick to just hit the D-Pad to spin the cube? After all the TouchCube is there to provide quick access to functions you need most, I found it amusing at watching some reviewer's videos how they have to do a few times to get the cube spin properly. If that is sexy, I have to say it doesn't last

Hi
While it looks cool to spin the cube by sliding the finger across the screen, wouldn't it be more direct and quick to just hit the D-Pad to spin the cube? After all the TouchCube is there to provide quick access to functions you need most, I found it amusing at watching some reviewer's videos how they have to do a few times to get the cube spin properly. If that is sexy, I have to say it doesn't last
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I agree completely, and who wants to smudge over their TFT screen with finger tips anyway, it's not sexy having a TFT screen covered in dirty finger marks and smudges, not in my book anyway
Regards
Phil

My wife has a iphone, and i hacked it with this really cool menu function where you start your fingerin the corner of the phone from any screen and it pops up a rainbow of icons from which you can scroll right and left to highlight the one you want o activate. It is Super Awesome. The "current' icon your selecting shows up in upper left corner - This screen shot, is jumbled because they are doing it on the main menu page, but you can get this rainbow menu from any application
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Also playing with her phone and using the screen commands with fingers you fall quickly in love. It really is light years beyond the traditional, very minority report. its super easy.
If it did 3g, i'd be super tempted to get an iphone, the keyboard is still a deal breaker, but the rest of it is almost that cool.
check out this video
http://creationsnet.blip.tv/file/362441/

Just a quick reply to the original post - I installed this on my Kaiser today and it works fine. No performance issues so far (as opposed to what Hermes users are reporting). As to the folks (bchau, philipl) who want to use the D-Pad to move thru the cube, the D-Pad is working just fine for me.
Customization of the cube contents is easier done thru manipulation of the text files directly, rather than using the editor that's in the main web page.
Pretty neat.
M

Yes I have it working, although on reboot I have experienced the black screen hang reported on that thread.
When you say it's working fine, are you able to spin the cube with your finger on the screen, or is it via the hardware button / D pad.
As an fyi, the D pad doesn't spin it for me, I had to use the button.
Cheers,
Joe

I can spin the cube with my finger and with the d-pad both. Starting the cube with the first touch is hard, but rotating the cube is much easier w/fingers.
Now I have to work on getting the icons to match the apps.

I had the Touch, now I don't. Personally I think the cube is redundant and mostly for show. This is just my opinion.
The best features of the Touch were the touch scrolling in contacts, on the internet and elsewhere.

Could you please tell me how did you do that ???
mlekas said:
I can spin the cube with my finger and with the d-pad both. Starting the cube with the first touch is hard, but rotating the cube is much easier w/fingers.
Now I have to work on getting the icons to match the apps.
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Could you please tell me how did you do that ?

You mean how I got to be able to spin the cube with my finger and d-pad? I just tried it and it worked.
If you mean the icons, I had to do a bunch of renaming of files and could only have as many apps as there were in the demo. I'm sure there's a better way to do this.
Other than eye candy the cube isn't all that useful.

mlekas said:
You mean how I got to be able to spin the cube with my finger and d-pad? I just tried it and it worked.
If you mean the icons, I had to do a bunch of renaming of files and could only have as many apps as there were in the demo. I'm sure there's a better way to do this.
Other than eye candy the cube isn't all that useful.
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sorry to bother you with that but would you be able to tell me step by step what you did assuming you started with the original rom ?
also do you have to follow some procedure to activate it each time you soft reset the device ?

iPhone
I love the way the post was treated with contempt.

Well the iphone post was informative but strictly speaking off topic as the idea is to get touchflo cube working for all of us Kaiser users.
But I know what you mean ;-)
mlekas can you give a step by step on how you installed it as I am on original ROMs but after following the instructions in the first post I made on this topic, I definitely can't get any spin working except by the hardware button.
There's got to be something I have done wrong !
Cheers,
Joe

mlekas said:
Just a quick reply to the original post - I installed this on my Kaiser today and it works fine. No performance issues so far (as opposed to what Hermes users are reporting). As to the folks (bchau, philipl) who want to use the D-Pad to move thru the cube, the D-Pad is working just fine for me.
Customization of the cube contents is easier done thru manipulation of the text files directly, rather than using the editor that's in the main web page.
Pretty neat.
M
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i still haven't had any luck installing this. i tried about 10 times and gave up. tried every different installing solution i came across. anyone else not been able to get this working?

quick update. i decided to try the install on a fresh system so i did a hard rest and reinstalled the app. the first time around i actually saw the cube and was able to activate it through the hardware button. the only way i was able to move the cube around was from the same hardware button. after a soft rest i got the black screen. i did another hard rest and this time no luck. after 3 more hard resets and no luck i gave up. i guess someone with some skills could get the cube working properly. if anyone else had any better success please let me know.

Got it working but not with D-PAD...
flexte said:
...if anyone else had any better success please let me know.
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I got the CUBE to work via hardware button only. I didn't need to do a soft reset but it wouldn't work until I removed all the Today Plugins I had installed (SPB Shell, Weather, Diary, etc.). When I install any of those back, I get a black screen. Without them, the CUBE works fine..even after soft resets.
TEC

strange.. i had it working after a hard reset once but after that i got a black screen , and that was with nothing else installed. must have been an old registry setting that never changed after the hard reset that is giving me the black screen.

Map X Button App to hardware button

I have been through several very long threads on this and several people have asked but no one ever answers. I am a big fan of the button mapping programs and want to be able to call up the HTC app which shows the currently running programs. I am not even sure what to call it, as I have seen it as X Button, and also as Task Manager. However, I am not looking for the settings menu Task Manager utility which is the full fledged program allowing some setting changes and adding programs to the excluded list, etc. Rather I am looking for the Pop Up menu that comes up when you tap and hold the close button. I have search my device for every .EXE and tried them all, yet I still can not figure out how to call this program directly. Is this not possible? Is it similar to a today plug in that requires you to be on the Tday screen to run it? Any help would be appreciated.

I believe Spb Pocket Plus can do this. It has a button mapper, but you can also set "OK" (Butto 4) to "[Close]" (from the default "<Ok/Close>") and that should work.

But thats way on the back of the phone when using the slide out keyboard.

CorruptedSanity said:
But thats way on the back of the phone when using the slide out keyboard.
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Huh? Button 4 is the OK button on the front of the phone.

hesh said:
Huh? Button 4 is the OK button on the front of the phone.
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Sorry I thought you were referring to the OK button below the jog dial. My bad.

It's not, really. There are three "OK" buttons. One on the faceplate, one on the left-hand side, and one on the slide out keyboard. I've use the new version of Pocket Plus to map the one on the face plate to "OK" with a press and "Close" on a long press. The button hesh is referring to is the one on the face plate (under the "End" button).
Of course, this is the TyTN II layout, so the Tilt may be different. Key point - there is a way to do what you want with Pocket Plus - map a button (any one you like) to "[Close Button Context Menu]" which is a function that Pocket Plus will add for you (it won't exist without it installed).

still not helping...
i have also read about 150 pages worth of posts to no avail on this topic and would greatly appreciate a solution. i think that some of you are missing the question entirely though so im going to give a crack at presenting the question a little bit clearer.
What we are trying to do here is map a hardware button to whatever process it is that brings up the "HTC X-Button" menu. The specific menu we want is the drop down that appears when the upper right corner is tapped from the today screen. the thread i got the app from originally i cant seem to find for some reason, but heres a link to one i did find link. Heres a screen shot.
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we do not want to know if there is another task switching application with these features such as the spb product or any others.
thanks in advance for any responses and hope this clears things up a bit.

dislexicmofo has it right. I was looking to call the program "HTC X-Button" from a button instead of a stylis tap. The "HTC X-Button" does not show up as an application, and I can not figure out how to call it directly by another means. I am guessing it may depend on the today screen being in the foreground, however, I would like it to come up without any regard to the foreground application.
FWIW, I finally gave up and installed InClose, as it shows up as a program under the Applications List.
As for SPB, I like their stuff, just not enough to pay for it and I have had many compability problems in the past (although that was several iterations ago),.
So even if SPB did provide this feature, I was looking for a freeware variation.

I tried to ask this same question in the "Latest Cabs for Kaisers" thread stickied at the top:
MAXPOW3R said:
i have installed HTC Task manager v2.00 (build 30740) from dutty's first post. (i can't seem to get the other one to install - which is fine). anyway, this task manager has a "quick menu" in the upper right hand corner of your today screen that you can click with your stylus and that lists all your running applications nicely. i would like to create a short-cut to this quick menu, but i'm not sure how to do it because it is just a part of the task manager program and not a program itself. Does anyone have any ideas? The reason I like this quick menu better than the list you get when you click on the task manager icon is because the list does not go away after you make a single selection. in other words, you can close out several programs from the list instead of having to bring the list back up after you close each application. any ideas?
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I don't understand how people can live without this...
It's awful not having a hotkey to the tasklist...
Can this simple thing not be done ?
EDIT: AE Button plus has sorted things out for me

I remember a softkey app back in the wizard days. This closed the program by holding the right softkey down. Forgot what it was called.

thomassster said:
I remember a softkey app back in the wizard days. This closed the program by holding the right softkey down. Forgot what it was called.
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Smartskey. I use it almost purely for that reason alone. Press and hold the right softkey and it closes the current app like tapping the X. Or press and hold the left softkey and it opens the Start Menu (which really isn't needed on the Kaiser since there is a Start menu button already, but then you could remap that if you wanted).

you're not going to be able to do that. AS someone else said it is depended upong the today screen being in the foreground. The intent of the original app wasn't to be a task switcher, but just a simple task manager to be able to close app from the tapping the X button. That was the original design of ver1. Ver2 brought the additional buttons and the overall look, but it's still not a task switcher and it's hooked into the OS to work only when the today is present.
I know you don't want to hear this but SPB PP4 is the app that will do what you want, and it was designed to do what you want from it's creation. Not only can you pull down the task list in any app (not just today screen) but you can also map the PPT button to their alt+tab switcher, which works just like windows alt+tab combo.
I like the look of the HTC one and the size of the buttons within it, by I find myself using PPC4 more and more...

ya, me neither - i found "VBar" which i mapped to a hardware button and which initializes the X button pulldown, wherein you can switch tasks, close apps, or close the vBar itself (which has a kinda cheesy image-but not bad for free!) haven't figured out how to program it yet? . . . but works right out of the box.
ciao
Subliminal Aura said:
I don't understand how people can live without this...
It's awful not having a hotkey to the tasklist...
Can this simple thing not be done ?
EDIT: AE Button plus has sorted things out for me
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smittyofdhs said:
you're not going to be able to do that. AS someone else said it is depended upong the today screen being in the foreground. The intent of the original app wasn't to be a task switcher, but just a simple task manager to be able to close app from the tapping the X button. That was the original design of ver1. Ver2 brought the additional buttons and the overall look, but it's still not a task switcher and it's hooked into the OS to work only when the today is present.
I know you don't want to hear this but SPB PP4 is the app that will do what you want, and it was designed to do what you want from it's creation. Not only can you pull down the task list in any app (not just today screen) but you can also map the PPT button to their alt+tab switcher, which works just like windows alt+tab combo.
I like the look of the HTC one and the size of the buttons within it, by I find myself using PPC4 more and more...
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FWIW, I wound up using AEB+, which, strictly speaking is not necessasy for my original question, but it allows you to assign an app close vs an app hide to the press and hold of the OK key. So essentially is does the same thing as the Softskey and more.
I then installed InClose Mobile. You CAN map this to the hardware button and it will open regardless of whether you are on the today screen or not. If you try it, be sure to turn off the HTC button as it will cause a conflict.

VJOkButt allows you to simulate a click on the screen.
I have used it in conjunction with pBar (a better replacement for HTC Task manager) or you can just assign a shortcut to pBar to a hardware button. This was the easiest way for me.

Is there a way to map the front-face "OK" button (button 4, I believe) to close the opened application without using some kind of extra button mapper?
Using Contacts to make a phone call and then having to close the contacts program afterwards without simply pushing a button is really annoying. Remapping the OK button to close applications entirely would be nice.

RapidPoint - Virtual Mouse Driver

I am working on a virtual mouse driver for the capacitive touch panel for the Touch Pro/Diamond. It is based on the optical mouse included with the Samsung Epix and will be enabled/disabled via a gesture in the bottom panel. The right side of the panel will serve as the mouseregion and the left side will be used for right and left mouse buttons.
I wanted to guage interest and know who was interested in getting in on the beta. I am about a week out from releasing a beta of the driver and if you PM me your e-mail address I will give you updates and let you know when it becomes available.
Take care,
Chris Shepley
P.S. If any one has any additional feature ideas, I am willing to listen to them.

I'm interested in it

First off- Thank you i am so glad you are doing this as i have been waiting for some time
for someone to pick up this project. (ie. my lack of programming skills.)
But i do have some pointers...
You did say you were using the left and right panels for controls right?
Why not use the center button (like the Epix) to control the mouse, click
the center button for left click, and click and hold the center button for a right
click (same as tapping and holding the screen in some programs.
And to enable and disable the mouse cursor, do like you said with the touch
panel gestures.
Just my two cents.
Like i said before, thank you and goodluck on this project.

This would be great, my wife has the epix and thought that it was the coolest.

Sounds great but I would hope navigation is made from the left of the panel, with left click of the mouse with the center button... Hopefully the scroll function of the wheel can be retained for scrolling down pages and then using the other pieces of the pad for mousing.

It will be ambidextrous and user configurable as I am a lefty living in a righty world. I am going to try to retain the scroll, but I am not sure it will be possible as it senses a pretty wide band around the center button for scroll. In addition to allowing the user to configure which side is used for touch I am considering several different setups for buttons, but want to get the basic driver completed before digging too deeply into user settings. I do intend to rely heavily on the diamond/raphael community for testing once I reach beta. Right now it is still very basic, but maturing quickly.
I haven't decided if I am going to make it open source or not, but I am leaning toward doing so as I have been influenced by some of butler's code and a serial mouse driver for CE that Microsoft released the source to.
I am also using a hybrid of c++ and c# for the application, so .Net CF 3.5 will be required. If I get a lot of requests for a pure c++ version I may eventually consider it, but it s unlikely. People should have .Net CF 3.5 installed anyhow if they are power users.
I am also hoping that the completed product will be good enough to tempt some of the chefs of the more popular ROMs to include it as OEM software. I do have a background in commercial software development so I know the level of pollish will eventually get there but it may take a few revs before it is at that level.
Chris

Definately interested in this!

Sounds very thought out... Thanks for developing this as I find it almost a waste of capacitive tech hiding in the bottom of our screens.. Gscroll has some nice features (launch pads, side to side, up/down scrolling), but a virtual mouse would put it over the top if it has decent speed and scrolling built in (point, center click, cap scroll). If you can try to make the program compatible with Opera/IE, I would find that a big edge over whats out there today.

I was thinking about this earlier! Very interested! I was also thinking that the other side could be used to scroll. Like swiping up and down would scroll the page up and down (not the cursor). This would be really cool for opera.

Sounds like a great idea!

WOW! I am really interested in this, it sounds like a great idea!

how is it different from the GRemote?

This sounds like an interesting and fun idea. Good luck with it! Until I read through the thread, I hadn't realized the center scroll would still work -- wow.
@killerscene: Gremote has the PDA at as a mouse, while he means having a mouse on the PDA controlled by the capacitive sensor.

def very interested in this. Would be EXTREMELY useful.

cshepley said:
I am working on a virtual mouse driver for the capacitive touch panel for the Touch Pro/Diamond. It is based on the optical mouse included with the Samsung Epix and will be enabled/disabled via a gesture in the bottom panel. The right side of the panel will serve as the mouseregion and the left side will be used for right and left mouse buttons.
I wanted to guage interest and know who was interested in getting in on the beta. I am about a week out from releasing a beta of the driver and if you PM me your e-mail address I will give you updates and let you know when it becomes available.
Take care,
Chris Shepley
P.S. If any one has any additional feature ideas, I am willing to listen to them.
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That's great to hear that you are working on this idea. Actually, I have been working on it for more than a month but could not get it done quite right.
The major problem that I have encountered is that the sensitivity of movement on the left and right touch panel is low. It will make the mouse movement sluggish, and is extremely difficult to control small mouse movement.
I have discovered that, when mode 4 (that is the wheel mode) is enabled, then right after you give a rotate gesture on the wheel until the LED lit up, the left and right panel will become very responsive to the finger movement. This, however, holds only for some version of the htcnavi.dll. That means there must be some way to activiate the touch panels to higher sensitivity mode. I hacked it for a long time, but could not succeed. I tried polling the nav sensors, in a similar way like butler's method (essentially, butler call DeviceIOControl to read data, while I was calling HTCNavGetData instead), but polling at a higher frequency did not result in higher precision in sensing finger locations.
I hope that you will succeed eventually, and share with us how to increase the sensitivity in reading finger location.
Good luck.

That unfortunately is something i am running into too. I am trying to get around it through modifying acceleration values as you get closer to the edge so that it moves faster in the middle and slower aroundthe edges. I still don't have it working quite right, but I'm giving it a go.
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That's great to hear that you are working on this idea. Actually, I have been working on it for more than a month but could not get it done quite right.
The major problem that I have encountered is that the sensitivity of movement on the left and right touch panel is low. It will make the mouse movement sluggish, and is extremely difficult to control small mouse movement.
I have discovered that, when mode 4 (that is the wheel mode) is enabled, then right after you give a rotate gesture on the wheel until the LED lit up, the left and right panel will become very responsive to the finger movement. This, however, holds only for some version of the htcnavi.dll. That means there must be some way to activiate the touch panels to higher sensitivity mode. I hacked it for a long time, but could not succeed. I tried polling the nav sensors, in a similar way like butler's method (essentially, butler call DeviceIOControl to read data, while I was calling HTCNavGetData instead), but polling at a higher frequency did not result in higher precision in sensing finger locations.
I hope that you will succeed eventually, and share with us how to increase the sensitivity in reading finger location.
Good luck.
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I wrote this already in Butler thread...
I can imagine the left/right part(configurable for left-handed people) for mouse movement and act.button touch for emulation of tap/hold. Mouse mode can be enabled with starting a exefile or sliding finger down-up(bringup a mouse cursor) and disabled by sliding finger opposite of movement side up-down(shutdown mouse cursor). In landscape it should be fixed on left-side,90dgrs rotated,so you can have access for mouse cursor in ls mode.
What are you thinking about this guys?

There was a thread about this just the other day in one of the forums (Diamond, Raphael, or Developers section, idk).
Coming from a Samsung Epix, which has an optical sensor, it really makes navigating the OS a lot faster. You soon learn to use both the mouse with your thumb on one hand, and your index finger on the other hand to scroll flick, taps, etc. Basically you begin using both inputs simultaneously.
It really speeds things up.
It might mess with playing games using the default dpad, unless it was disabled prior. Perhaps include another mode which switches around the hotspots to form a virtual dpad. I think a winning solution would be to toggle the options between Mouse Mode, Virtual Dpad Mode, Normal Mode.
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killerscene14 said:
how is it different from the GRemote?
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GRemote uses the GSensor for navigation. We are talking about having an actual mouse cursor that is controlled by the touchpad.

If need be, I would be more than happy to test and help you in any way possible.

A marvelous idea, mate. If I may, I must ask you to consider employing the navi-button to simulate left click & double left click by applying light touches rather than full press; not only will it make using the mouse single-handedly possible, but will also leave one of the pad's sides entirely available for extra functions which you might be contemplating.
Otherwise, I'm excited that you're taking this up... best of luck
Regards...

Tool: Using Capacitive Area to Define button press action

Hey XDAyers, was wondering if somebody would be kind enough to develop this useful tool.
Purpose:
Making the left and right navigation buttons easier, actually usable, since now they are currently useless due to impractical key pressing.
How:
The tool would actually disable all kinds of hardware response, and whatever physical button is pressed the action is defined by the program. Using both the physical button press in addition to your finger location on the capacitive area to define the action to be taken.
In other words, all the buttons that get pressed are useless/actionless without the capacitive area actually saying the coordinates of your finger. With that, if i press the capacitive area anywhere, even the home button while my finger was anywhere except the absolute top absolute left corner, the action would be left! Check the photos below to have a better picture of what i mean.
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
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No replies? only poll clicking? Come on people, this could be the best thing to ever happen for the touch pro, we finally use left and right buttons. Start talking, give me your ideas, and please inform the Devs. you know about this, maybe one of them would actually implement it.

There's already something like this, it's called gscroll. However, it costs $9.

Scalage said:
There's already something like this, it's called gscroll. However, it costs $9.
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I own gscroll mate, but no its nothing like what am describing above
Gscroll does not use the physical buttons at all, its all about the capacitive area and so on. What am suggesting is using the hardware buttons for TAKE ACTION and the Action is defined on where your finger was on the capacitive area
BTW, about gscroll, do you know how can i disable the programs launcher so as to use the directions only?
The programs launcher is annoying and pops up a lot when all i want is to scroll/up down left right
Cheers

I agree with you in that this would be a very good tweak, since learning the supposed "sweet spot" for left/right keys is quite impractical while using the corners is much more intuitive...
I can only hope this gets developed!
Best regards and thanks!

yup
I love the idea. Both Gscroll and Sensor scroll have attmpted to make this work using only the capacitive area. Your method relies on the hardware buttons as well. I really hope someone can make this work.
For most uses of the phone I can make-do with it, but gaming is awful! Also, neither of the programs work with all games. Morphgear and some other older games I have dont read any input from the capacitive area. However, they do read the hard keys, making this a "possible" solution.
Unfortunately, my optimism for being able to ever do some serious gaming on this phone has faded. I wish I still had my Tilt

JM33 said:
I love the idea. Both Gscroll and Sensor scroll have attmpted to make this work using only the capacitive area. Your method relies on the hardware buttons as well. I really hope someone can make this work.
For most uses of the phone I can make-do with it, but gaming is awful! Also, neither of the programs work with all games. Morphgear and some other older games I have dont read any input from the capacitive area. However, they do read the hard keys, making this a "possible" solution.
Unfortunately, my optimism for being able to ever do some serious gaming on this phone has faded. I wish I still had my Tilt
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Why do you say so bro, i have the exact same feeling like you towards both programs, but am still optimistic about gaming on ma touch pro, if the tool above gets programmed, somehow, i believe it WILL solve all our problems
But who's the dev who can do this? Cannot find him yet! if only a dev can give me the commends or classes that talk to the capacitive are and hardware button, i would develop the tool myself, but i need a looot of work in the beginning

Well, well, well, you have renewed my wishy-washy hope again my friend!
But consider this - I guess I say this because of my current setup to make morphgear as usable as possible. I am running dred sensor, and set the home/call keys to left. This means that if i press any of the left/home/call it should press left. But it just does not respond as well as it needs to.
Don't worry though, I will keep the faith. And if you get it to work, you better have a donate button ready!
Thanks, and best of luck!

JM33 said:
Well, well, well, you have renewed my wishy-washy hope again my friend!
But consider this - I guess I say this because of my current setup to make morphgear as usable as possible. I am running dred sensor, and set the home/call keys to left. This means that if i press any of the left/home/call it should press left. But it just does not respond as well as it needs to.
Don't worry though, I will keep the faith. And if you get it to work, you better have a donate button ready!
Thanks, and best of luck!
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Thanks bro Wish you can tel me how to do the donate button, or it is simply a link to a paypal account somehow. Anyways, once i get it done, one way or another, as for the above way (dred) sensor, never tried it, but from what i understand, it disables the home and back keys, both keys are actually useful, so nope.
Hope the tool above gets developed by me or sm1 else, coz i believe it should work. Cheers mate

actually, with dredsensor it not only disables the buttons, but allows them to be set to any action, i.e. right or left. So I am having a hard time seeing that your method will make much difference. I think the root of the problem is where the hard keys are located. Referring to the "sweet spot" you will notice that the left and right buttons are quite wider than up/down. This makes it difficult to get diagonal button presses, because of the circle in the center of the pad is what you feel, and the buttons are inequally spaced.
Anyways, I hope you can make it work. Thanks again bro!

JM33 said:
actually, with dredsensor it not only disables the buttons, but allows them to be set to any action, i.e. right or left. So I am having a hard time seeing that your method will make much difference. I think the root of the problem is where the hard keys are located. Referring to the "sweet spot" you will notice that the left and right buttons are quite wider than up/down. This makes it difficult to get diagonal button presses, because of the circle in the center of the pad is what you feel, and the buttons are inequally spaced.
Anyways, I hope you can make it work. Thanks again bro!
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Well, the difference between dred and this imaginary tool hehe, is that dred actually changes the action key of the home button completely, in my proposed idea, you can still have a home back left and right dial and hangup buttons, depending on where your finger is located on the capacitive area, and all physical buttons are set to the action "Click"
Wish it works

i think it would be awesome to take this a step further and have it run in Opera like a trackpad. Maybe use the capacitive are as a mouse and have a click on the center hardware key make a selection. Kind of like the web browser in the Blackberry Storm

jrodizzkool01 said:
i think it would be awesome to take this a step further and have it run in Opera like a trackpad. Maybe use the capacitive are as a mouse and have a click on the center hardware key make a selection. Kind of like the web browser in the Blackberry Storm
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but we use our fingers/stylus to click/tap :S

amnya said:
BTW, about gscroll, do you know how can i disable the programs launcher so as to use the directions only?
The programs launcher is annoying and pops up a lot when all i want is to scroll/up down left right
Cheers
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I believe this should work
Start / Settings/ Mobile Src GScroll
Go to the launch tab, and delete all the apps listed.

ajmoncrief said:
I believe this should work
Start / Settings/ Mobile Src GScroll
Go to the launch tab, and delete/reassign anything that says ::appswitch
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http://www.mobilesrc.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3
This issue is being dealt with on the forum, a new beta has been released with per process app launch.
Let's try not to hijack this thread, since gscroll has its own threads, and own forum. Thanks.

JM33 said:
http://www.mobilesrc.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3
This issue is being dealt with on the forum, a new beta has been released with per process app launch.
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Your reply forced me to go back and read what was asked...so I must edit my original reply to say delete EVERYTHING under the launcher...not just the appswitch.
JM33 said:
Let's try not to hijack this thread, since gscroll has its own threads, and own forum. Thanks.
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While I would agree with this, I'm pretty sure that my reply doesn't qualify as thread hijacking when the OP is the one who originally posted the question.

ajmoncrief said:
Your reply forced me to go back and read what was asked...so I must edit my original reply to say delete EVERYTHING under the launcher...not just the appswitch.
While I would agree with this, I'm pretty sure that my reply doesn't qualify as thread hijacking when the OP is the one who originally posted the question.
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Thanx for your reply guys, actually i thank you both for your replies and no i don't find it hijacking. I thank you both for every post you did here I just hope i either find someone to develop the tool am talking about OR i manage somehow to find the resources i need to build it myself
Cheers mates

if anyone experienced with customizing the tp can tell me the tools i would need to do this i might be able to start writing a program. ive made computer appps before so im sure i can figure out ppc

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Awesome
Looks Great!

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.

Does it play HTML5 videos? Or any other browser does this?

Ruwin said:
Does it play HTML5 videos? Or any other browser does this?
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It uses IE9's core, so it should work.

Download Next Browser today, because it's on sale for a limited time!

Playing with the trial now. I like the live tile flipping and showing your tabs.

bmstrong said:
Playing with the trial now. I like the live tile flipping and showing your tabs.
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Thanks, I'm glad you decided to give it a try. Let me know if you have any feedback.

SimzzDev said:
Thanks, I'm glad you decided to give it a try. Let me know if you have any feedback.
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Sure. I've done nothing but use your browser since my last post. My thoughts, after using it on a Focus, running the trial version, YMMV:
I love swiping tabs. I love even more that yours seems to be fast and very little stutter flicking tab through tab.
I like the big back arrow and that it's the same design as the other on WP. Feels like it belongs.
Pinch to zoom and scrolling seems fast and responsive.
Swiping down to get tabs is different. Where it falls apart? We are all trained to flick the shade back up after we are done with it. Obviously, this is only an issue when you try to close a tab but that's counter intuitive as well. I want to press and see an X not hit the button, let alone go all the way down to the back button to get out of the shade. This needs work. It works well when switching tabs, bringing you quickly to your page and rolling up but the other stuff is counter intuitive to me.
Really digging the address bar at the bottom.
Originally I thought the arrow box was an old style zoom to page but, obviously, once press reveal it hides the address bar. A bit of a funky solution but I love full screens. However this ties into something else I have difficulty with: accessing the setting button. It's so difficult hitting those three buttons, man. All the options are cool once you get into the menu but getting there is a PITA. Why not make a menu box, three dots, on the right side of the page and switch the hide the address bar to the left?
You get special props for a Live Tile. I'd even give you a sloppy kiss if you could eliminate the Next Browser front and just make it flip with all my tabs.
Overall? Very nice!

Thanks for all that feedback! I'm always looking for ways to improve Next Browser. To help with the settings issue, you should know that you can actually access it as well by swiping from the bottom of the screen (or from the address bar if you're accidentally hitting buttons).

Does it save passwords and login details?

pemell said:
Does it save passwords and login details?
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Thanks for asking. The answer is yes for the most part.
Anything IE supports it should handle just fine. It's not really in my control, but rather handled by the OS. I have noticed a few sites not working though, even in Internet Explorer.

I should be able to submit the next update by Friday. This will be a pretty big update. For more info, Facebook is the best place to follow Next Browser. (There's also an RSS feed if that's better.)
http://fb.me/nextbrowser

Beta testers once again needed!!!
I'm expanding Next Browser to other languages, so please sign up for the beta here:
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possible improvements I'd like to see
Thanks very much for a great browser. I've bought the full version and have some requests. I'm not sure if you can do much about them, as it's based on IE9, but here goes.
* I would like to see the back button removed (or make it an option) and replaced with the three dots for settings. I like the look of the button, but it's just not necessary as it then gives me two back buttons on top of each other - we've all already got a back button directly beneath it on the phone. So I see it as redundant. As a previous poster mentioned, hitting those 3 dots, even with a swipe is too difficult, so I think they should go there.
* I'd like to see the extra options pop up beneath the address bar, like with Vable browser, when you hit the extras menu button.
* I'd love a refresh button next to the +tab button as i use that quite frequently.
* I'd like to see a way to add the current page to your faves/bookmarks quicker. A star on the toolbar, perhaps?
These thoughts aren't necessarily very well thought-through. I like how you do some things, and equally, how vable browser does some things. I guess i'd kind of like a mashup of the two. I keep pinning one, then the other to my home screen.
Oliver

oliverh72 said:
Thanks very much for a great browser. I've bought the full version and have some requests. I'm not sure if you can do much about them, as it's based on IE9, but here goes.
* I would like to see the back button removed (or make it an option) and replaced with the three dots for settings. I like the look of the button, but it's just not necessary as it then gives me two back buttons on top of each other - we've all already got a back button directly beneath it on the phone. So I see it as redundant. As a previous poster mentioned, hitting those 3 dots, even with a swipe is too difficult, so I think they should go there.
* I'd like to see the extra options pop up beneath the address bar, like with Vable browser, when you hit the extras menu button.
* I'd love a refresh button next to the +tab button as i use that quite frequently.
* I'd like to see a way to add the current page to your faves/bookmarks quicker. A star on the toolbar, perhaps?
These thoughts aren't necessarily very well thought-through. I like how you do some things, and equally, how vable browser does some things. I guess i'd kind of like a mashup of the two. I keep pinning one, then the other to my home screen.
Oliver
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely try to do something with the settings to change the toolbar.

Very good: Design and idea. Also a big + for the google search - bing brings not nearly the same results.
But it´s slower than IE, no chance for easy access to the bookmarks, also no easy way to create them. No way to choose between mobile sites and websites in the settings, the dock shows the wrong symbols (lock, when it´s unlocked, open, when it´s locked). An easy access to the settings, also to the saved passwords would be also helpful. Switch down doesn´t work always. In the test version it worked better.
I think, there is much to do.
I wish you good luck for your work.

Neo XL said:
Very good: Design and idea. Also a big + for the google search - bing brings not nearly the same results.
But it´s slower than IE, no chance for easy access to the bookmarks, also no easy way to create them. No way to choose between mobile sites and websites in the settings, the dock shows the wrong symbols (lock, when it´s unlocked, open, when it´s locked). An easy access to the settings, also to the saved passwords would be also helpful. Switch down doesn´t work always. In the test version it worked better.
I think, there is much to do.
I wish you good luck for your work.
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Thanks for the feedback. I will do my best to improve Next Browser with this feedback.

I try this apps. thanks you