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Sorry for this stupid question, I did search but I seemed not find any thread regarding my question.
Can someone tell me what is Program Memory is used for, I have a lot of free space in that, and I don't know where is that. All my files and my software seem to be on the Storage, but I only have 60Mb of it, there is another 90Mb free on the program memory.
Thanks.
Programs uses this as RAM when they are running. Just like on PC.
In WM 2003 i can install software on this RAM and run them directly from it. Plus I can store files in it as well as in the Storage. Is there anyway I can make this RAM usable for storing files and installing software? I heard from others that they can adjust this RAM to make it smaller and give some space to the Storage. Here is the source :
http://handheldvn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30214
Source is in Vietnamese so most of you might not understand, just for reference.
Thanks
As I understand it, 'RAM' and 'Storage' occupy the same bit of hardware. Your PPC increases the space available to each area as you fill it up..
It doesnt seem to quite make sense to have it that way, but thats how it seems to me. Anyone wanna correct me?
It has to do with WM5 persistent storage. The storage memory and program memory has to be seperated.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=102947
Ok, i know maybe is a noob question, but i don't understand whatthe pagepool is very well...
I know it has something to do with the system performance but i don't understand how it does work.
What would happend if i set the pagepool in 5mb (i think the smallest)?
If that's bad for the Pda, is better as much as possible?
I'd like to know because it seems to loose that memory asigned as pagepool.
Rom 30MB + S.O. (The hyma got 64mb)
RAM 128 MB
Ramdisk 40MB
program 61MB
Pagepool 24MB
If aplying 5 MB would leave more memory for running porgrams (up to 80MB) and the performance wouldn't be affected, Would be that the best choice?
Sorry for my english. Regards!
andur said:
Rom 30MB + S.O. (The hyma got 64mb)
RAM 128 MB
Ramdisk 40MB
program 61MB
Pagepool 24MB
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The Hima does have 64 MB ROM, part of it for Radio (AFAIK GSM, GPRS, Bluetooth), part of it for the bootloader, about 32 MB for the operating system, part meant to be used for EXTrom I believe (I'm a relative noob myself).
AFAIK pagepool lives in RAM and works like cache, low pagepool makes your device noticeably slower.
RAMdisk is a place to store any kind of files just like storage card, just not removable. It's a bit more volatile, shorting the battery contacts will remove its contents.
Program memory is where active, running programs and data reside just for the time being. It's blank right after any hard or soft reset.
I don't know what you mean by S.O. but the most important area for most of us is the area our device calls (a bit confusing) storage. It's where most cab's install programs plus their data and settings by default. It is normally limited to 14MB, by pulling unused EXTrom area to it, you can expand it to 30.5MB.
Still not much but the best we can do. If you don't know how to do this, there's a sticky.
Did I cover it all? No mistakes? (it's late and under these conditions I recently did make a mistake on the same subject...)
ram disk are soft-reset resistent
Hi, I'm new with the tilt , i just flashed with a new rom and now i only have 85.32mb for programs and 113.17mb for storage, how can i increase the memory.
In case i can't increase it i will flash the original att (if i find the rom somewhere)
Please help.
Thanks.
ricomilion said:
Hi, I'm new with the tilt , i just flashed with a new rom and now i only have 85.32mb for programs and 113.17mb for storage, how can i increase the memory.
In case i can't increase it i will flash the original att (if i find the rom somewhere)
Please help.
Thanks.
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Well for starters, what rom did you flash?
i flashed RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_ rom 3.55.502.1 wwe radio 1.65.20.29
ricomilion said:
Hi, I'm new with the tilt , i just flashed with a new rom and now i only have 85.32mb for programs and 113.17mb for storage, how can i increase the memory.
In case i can't increase it i will flash the original att (if i find the rom somewhere)
Please help.
Thanks.
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well alot of the new windows mobile 6.1 roms take another 15% of the program memory for overhead and system performance so typically you only have 85. Some chef's have been able to by tweaking increase that number but most are around 87-89. the only rom that i have seen that is wm6.1 base and gives you 100 program memory is hyperdragon 3 (there might be others..). Haven't tried it so don't know much on how it is. As far as storage memory goes really that is increased/decreased by number of programs you have installed. Just like your pc more program installs less storage memory ... plus more files (whether be music, video, ringtones, themes, etc) less storage memory. The best solution for extra storage memory is to get a storage card.
You can experiment flashing different roms and see which one gives you best system memory and start off storage memory. pretty much all the chefs do a great job of keeping their roms clean and compact so very little storage memory is used.
I would recommend reading around and following various rom threads that we have here to gain better understanding of each individual rom so you can flash the one that suits your taste.
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well alot of the new windows mobile 6.1 roms take another 15% of the program memory for overhead and system performance so typically you only have 85. Some chef's have been able to by tweaking increase that number but most are around 87-89. the only rom that i have seen that is wm6.1 base and gives you 100 program memory is hyperdragon 3 (there might be others..). Haven't tried it so don't know much on how it is. As far as storage memory goes really that is increased/decreased by number of programs you have installed. Just like your pc more program installs less storage memory ... plus more files (whether be music, video, ringtones, themes, etc) less storage memory. The best solution for extra storage memory is to get a storage card.
You can experiment flashing different roms and see which one gives you best system memory and start off storage memory. pretty much all the chefs do a great job of keeping their roms clean and compact so very little storage memory is used.
I would recommend reading around and following various rom threads that we have here to gain better understanding of each individual rom so you can flash the one that suits your taste.
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So that means if i downgrade to WM6 i will get over 100mb, thats why i had 101mb+ with the original att rom.
Thanks for your info.
This forum Rock.
Generally speaking, you would have to get a phone with more memory in order to increase the amount of memory.
Dude, unless you are running out of memory, i.e. device programs are initiating "Low Memory Warning", don't worry about it. After all of my proggies, many, many, I have about 89mb Storage & 39mb Program. Never have run out & I am a very heavy user with many resource heavy apps..
The OS automatically adjusts between what is available overall , including what is in both Program & storage memory as more memory is required in one or the other. So when you install more it adjust both storage & program memory accordingly. This is not like older devices where you have a storage area & a program area that are seperate. The memory for both is the same.
The amount you have is not bad at all.
There are also several things that affect memory. Installed programs, What was cooked into the rom, the Page Pool, etc.
At any rate, this thread has very little, if anything to do with ROM development, so I'm moving it to General Section.
I agree with GSLEON. I too have tons of apps installed to the device and its never really sluggish.
Also I hear Ginko Baloba is Good for memory.
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... Some chef's have been able to by tweaking increase that number but most are around 87-89. the only rom that i have seen that is wm6.1 base and gives you 100 program memory is hyperdragon 3 (there might be others..). Haven't tried it so don't know much on how it is. ...
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It's true - e.g. HyperDragon III Lite has 101 MB of Program memory available. See my screenshots. Attached.
gabriel31337 said:
It's true - e.g. HyperDragon III Lite has 101 MB of Program memory available. See my screenshots. Attached.[/QUOTE
udK 8.0 V2 Vega 6.1 Rom also have 101.32 MB Program memory available.
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If I recall correctly the max amount of memory is also related to the page pool (PP) size.
By default the kaiser has 113MB maximum memory, and with the default 12MB PP that leaves 101MB (113-12) for programs.
If you were to increase the PP to say, 32MB, then the memory left for programs would be 81MB (113-32).
I'm looking for this ROM, anybody have it yet ?
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It's true - e.g. HyperDragon III Lite has 101 MB of Program memory available. See my screenshots. Attached.
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Hey guys,
I just switched from a Polaris to my Kaiser a few days ago, because of the keyboard.
I love my Kaiser, but there is one thing I'm wondering about.
Why is there so few RAM in the Kaiser?
On my Polaris I had 60+ MB free (with an 8MB Touchcube loaded), up to 68.
On the Kaiser I have max. 43-45 free with nothing (I know of) running in the background....
How is that?
Stefan
edit: It's the same situation on different ROMs I tested and it was the same situation on different Polaris ROMs, too. They were all fully loaded, no light ROMs etc.
I think most ROM chefs have gone to either "larger" page pools, or dynamic page pools. And depending on the page pool size, you will see less available RAM.
Would you like to "SEE" a lot of free ram but run yr machine slow because of no caching/paging? Or you want to "FEEL" a lot smoother user experience because we spend some ram for cache/pagepool?
With 128mb Qvga machine like Kaiser, I don't even dare to look at the memory meter since I NEVER run into not enough ram issue even I abuse it w/ lots of concurrent apps (Iguidance 4 + TomTom 7 + A2DP w/ Coreplayer + lots of todays plugins).
I rather concern about too many unnecessary background service/process since WM has a physical limit of 32 processes
45MB free is nothing to worry about, I've never really managed to use more than 20MB with more than 10 apps running.
And devices like the Hermes were doing fine with less than 20MB free after a clean boot.
very nice way expressing/explaining
so thats call for button X application (plug in)
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Would you like to "SEE" a lot of free ram but run yr machine slow because of no caching/paging? Or you want to "FEEL" a lot smoother user experience because we spend some ram for cache/pagepool?
With 128mb Qvga machine like Kaiser, I don't even dare to look at the memory meter since I NEVER run into not enough ram issue even I abuse it w/ lots of concurrent apps (Iguidance 4 + TomTom 7 + A2DP w/ Coreplayer + lots of todays plugins).
I rather concern about too many unnecessary background service/process since WM has a physical limit of 32 processes
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The ROMs I used on the Polaris had a 18MB PP...
Laurentius' V10 also has 18MB...
And I also can't seem to fill the RAM, but I'm a little confused...
I also go pretty high on my page pools (24 mb). However, you can request a ROM of your liking with the page pool you want (look at my sig) .
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I also go pretty high on my page pools (24 mb). However, you can request a ROM of your liking with the page pool you want (look at my sig) .
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Thx, but as I said, I'm alright with my RAM.
I'm only curious why a ROM which is (supposed to be) very similar to a Polaris one according to the settings (where the Polaris ROM actually had the TouchCube with 8MB loaded) has 15-20MB less RAM available... what the hell is running in the background on the Kaiser that takes that much memory?
Oh, and btw, all the screenshots for the Kaiser I saw (even from light ROMs), don't have much more than 50MB free, so how can a light Polaris ROM have 70MB free??!!
Stefan
P.S: I don't mean to annoy anyone, but I just can't help it...
I wanna know what takes my RAM away...
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Oh, and btw, all the screenshots for the Kaiser I saw (even from light ROMs), don't have much more than 50MB free
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There, just for you. 47.3MB with no programs running but no reboot for more than one week, and 63.1MB after reboot. The screenshot program is taking 1MB in both cases, and I have a couple of small programs starting automatically on boot.
Any chance you'd be using WM6 on one and WM6.1 on the other?
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what the hell is running in the background on the Kaiser that takes that much memory?
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Why don't you use Memmaid and take a look?
jackleung said:
Why don't you use Memmaid and take a look?
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I can't find anything, that's why I'm asking ;-)
@kilrah: interesting, I never saw that much free RAM on a Kaiser.
However, on my Polaris I had a ROM (as previously mentioned) that was fully loaded, all the stuff I have on my Kaiser + the Cube and I still had about 20MB more free RAM than I have on my Kaiser without a Cube...
The only Hardware-based difference on the Kaiser is the keyboard... but that can't have anything to di with it, can it?
Stefan
I was also always curious as to why, if they can make 32gb micro sd cards, can't they simply put that much memory into the Kaiser to begin with?
Two Things
A) They don't have 32Gb MicroSD cards yet.
B) Lets say they Did. Leaving the Card Slot Blank costs nothing. Filling it with a Card costs money. Larger Profit Margin for HTC. They win.
And some more:
D) Most people don't give a damn about having 16/32GB in their phone, and would certainly be pissed off if they had to pay more for something they didn't need. Those will just buy a 1GB card and be fine with it.
E) That would open the door to iphone-like ripoff, with $100-200 difference between the 8GB and 16GB models... when we know that a 8GB memory card costs around $20 nowadays, so much more like $5 to add it inside the phone for the manufacturer. But as we all know, internal memory always costs more than cards....
F) Bit unrelated, but in my country electronic devices are subject to a copyright-style tax based on the amount of internal memory. But memory cards aren't taxed. Choose the best option
And backup sizes increase too!
After watching my free device memory decline and backup sizes go up every day, I found that PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) and Opera were taking a more than decent amount of memory for their caches.
Clearing PIE and Opera's cache freed over 30M of device memory for me!
While Opera gives a setting for cache size, PIE has only a registry setting:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\Cache\Content\CacheLimit
It's set to 42680 in my Tilt. While I can change the registry value, the change won't survive a soft reset.
My solution is to regularly clear the browser caches and check the device for temp files. It's made a huge difference for me (from 11M free to 61M free)
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After watching my free device memory decline and backup sizes go up every day, I found that PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) and Opera were taking a more than decent amount of memory for their caches.
Clearing PIE and Opera's cache freed over 30M of device memory for me!
While Opera gives a setting for cache size, PIE has only a registry setting:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\Cache\Content\CacheLimit
It's set to 42680 in my Tilt. While I can change the registry value, the change won't survive a soft reset.
My solution is to regularly clear the browser caches and check the device for temp files. It's made a huge difference for me (from 11M free to 61M free)
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Man, we are talking about RAM (program memory) and you are talking about ROM (storage memory).
I always use memmaid to clean up before backup to make sure no junks are being backup. In fact, most backup software allow you to choose what directory to or not to backup.
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Man, we are talking about RAM (program memory) and you are talking about ROM (storage memory).
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I don't see that in the previous posts. I do understand the difference between program and storage memory. RAM is where everything but the base system is stored... right? ROM (read only memory) isn't used for a dynamic cache... right?
gavink said:
I don't see that in the previous posts. I do understand the difference between program and storage memory. RAM is where everything but the base system is stored... right? ROM (read only memory) isn't used for a dynamic cache... right?
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That was back on '03... the terms stayed the same but since WM5 the technology changed
It's like on your PC.
RAM is the storage the programs actually run in, ROM is the ... rest
If you look at the Memory Page in the settings. ROM ("Storage") is what you're talking about and RAM ("Program") is what the rest of us is talking about...
Stefan
Sayuuk said:
That was back on '03... the terms stayed the same but since WM5 the technology changed
It's like on your PC.
RAM is the storage the programs actually run in, ROM is the ... rest
If you look at the Memory Page in the settings. ROM ("Storage") is what you're talking about and RAM ("Program") is what the rest of us is talking about...
Stefan
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Sooo... you're saying that my PIE and Opera caches are both in my Tilt's ROM? Wow... somehow I fell waaaay behind the times!
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Sooo... you're saying that my PIE and Opera caches are both in my Tilt's ROM? Wow... somehow I fell waaaay behind the times!
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It's not actually ROM anymore, that's what I meant and I guess that's why you're confused.
I think you understand what RAM is. Now what we mean when we say ROM is just the rest of the internal storage that is NOT the RAM.
If you read the specs of HTC phones you always see 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM. ROM in this case is just a name that's in use cuz it's always been used, though it's not ReadOnlyMemory nowadays.
Stefan
I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
HI THERE
the program pocket mechanic solve me a lot of that issue .
after installing the prog. i removed some what of files to the intenal storage .
it did work for me just great /
windows folder/directory
open windows directory. goto Opera folder. goto images folder. any files that aren't jpg or png (meaning files that will have an opera logo in front of them) are deletable. If you use opera a lot and have never done this, there may be many. Also Windows/Messaging. this stores info from all emails, even when you delete, info is left here- delete all old stuff. If you feel iffy about trying any of this, create a folder in your internal storage to cut these files into, and if you have any trouble or do something wrong, you can cut/copy them right bsck (but these sre things i do to keep memory clear). Also, ClearTemp is an AWESOME HELPFUL program (and free). I think v1.21 is the latest, but after 3rd day of using it, it had recovered about 10mb of storage memory. (set it up properly, din't just hit 'clean'). good luck.
Lastly, some early diamonds (roms) had a known issue with unrecoverable storage memory, so last case scenario, update to newest official rom.
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Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
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au contraire. memory on diamond is partitioned 3ways (storage memory, program memory, internal storage)
when you get a 'main memory low' msg, it's usually because your storage memory (not RAM), and not program memory, has dropped to <1mb. not your operating memory or program memory.
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I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
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I dealt with this on my first diamond. Had to return it - it is an issue on early diamonds, known by htc (storage not erasing things it should, regardless of user settings). A search will turn up a handful of other threds on this topic.
Thanks for all the replies.. here are screens of what I'm talking about.
As you can see I have a ton of storage on the Internal but 1Mb left on Device... If you still agree that I should follow the advice above I will do that. Just wanted to clarify what I was talking about.
thank you scottspa74
I have exactly the same problem with storage memory and what scottspa74 proposed just gave me the solution to my problem .
Thank you very much
Well, I also found that if you have taken a lot of pictures and video with the phone it takes up a ton of device storage. Try deleting big video files or transferring them somewhere else.