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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...

You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.

All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)

I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.

I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...

RPG0 said:
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now

RPG0 said:
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.

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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !

been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!

eaglesrest said:
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.

eaglesrest said:
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.

the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)

He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here

HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...

The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.

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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.

I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?

Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi

Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's

Anyone noticed using touch screen in games slows down device?

I mean its ridicolous like games like virtual pool which ran on my 300mhz xscale ipaq at full speed slows to a crawl once I start touching the cue stick or ball onscreen. When I am not touching the screen in any game like ffrace or wolfenstein or duke3d or krally it runs pretty well (though not as fast as a 400mhz xscale of samsung device) but once I touch the screen the graphics slow to a halt. It makes awesome games like call of duty 2 virtually unplayable unless you can set the game to just use the hardware buttons or keypad, but not all games have such an option.
Whats the deal? the HTC Trinity had this problem on earlier roms but I am running Dutty's latest rom with the very latest CE build and it still has this problem.

Welcome in the wonderfull world of the Kaiser. You like gaming ? Don't buy a Kaiser !
About COD2, I also tried to play the game without touching the screen, only by pressing the buttons, but it is very slow anyway (unplayable from my point of view).
But I would be glad if I only had problems with COD2 !!!

ive been trying to find a way to fix this problem, i think it can be done, but i would need a rom cooker? someone who is famaliar with a rom (or device) which it's screen does not slow down when pressed. we may be able to get the touchscreen driver from this device. i know theres someone out there that can help.

Are there any HTC devices which doe
n't slow down when using the touchscreen?

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Are there any HTC devices which doe
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Not really, you wanna games device? buy a PSP.....
OH sugar.. gonna get shouted at now...

jym04 said:
Are there any HTC devices which doe
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the Universal, for example. that is, non-2.8) models.
(BTW, i my articles, I've thoroughly disussed this problem and was among the first, 2 years ago,to report the problem to HTC. Too bad they still haven't bothered fixing it..)

it is more than just the touch screen drivers its the Direct 3D and other graphics driver that dont exisit on the Kaiser at all if you would read the other threads there is a large pool of money for the first person to make these drivers and get them working on the Kaiser... HTC screwed everyone with there advertising and I have to admit this phone is ****ing slow for what it should be i think all processors should be atleast 900mhz to make it fast enough for me

Menneisyys said:
the Universal, for example. that is, non-2.8) models.
(BTW, i my articles, I've thoroughly disussed this problem and was among the first, 2 years ago,to report the problem to HTC. Too bad they still haven't bothered fixing it..)
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As you can tell Menneisyys, people do not want to listen....
Menneisyys has said this many times before the d3d issue came out...
There is a touch screen handler problem in ALL HTC devices..
PLEASE...SEARCH THE FORUM...

Menneisyys said:
the Universal, for example. that is, non-2.8) models.
(BTW, i my articles, I've thoroughly disussed this problem and was among the first, 2 years ago,to report the problem to HTC. Too bad they still haven't bothered fixing it..)
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Menneisyys,
This problem would pretty much cripple the Polaris/Cruise. Do you think this will be a problem for this device as well. I have posted this question several times, but so far all I have gotten is anecdotal replys about the screen being the same as the Touch. The Touch is also 2.8 screen but some people suggest the screen technology is different, so it works better. I have tried a friends Touch, and it does seem to be better, but not dramatiaclly better and from an external standpoint, all I can tell is that it is flush mounted instead of inset.
So from someone who understands the internals, is there any reason why the screens used for the Touch and (assuming) the soon to be relased Cruise perform better?

What is the highest bitrate video the kaiser can handle?

I want to convert some videos/movies to put on my kaiser, and would like to know what is the best format to use, and highest quality/bitrate i can use. I know the ipod can play 1500kbps mp4 perfectly, but it certainly doesnt work as well on a kaiser. Is there another format perhaps, that it can decode better with a high bitrate? Divx, etc...
So far ive tried mp4 at around 500kbps and it plays pretty much fine. and i synced a movie using wmp to 384kpbs and that works fine as well, but doesnt look so hot...

I'd say stay under or at 500.. until they update the graphics and video drivers, anything over wont play too well. I tested a 700 WMV Top Gear episode (love top gear ) and it was ripping and freezing like mad..

I transfered a 300 from my friends iphone to my tilt via wifi (which by the way is freaking cool) which was 1500kpbs, it was just sad to watch it try and play. I figured dual core 400mhz proc could handle it... Guess not till drivers come out.

OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!

haha. i would never trade my kaiser for an iphone. Those things suck other then the video playback. I know what my kaiser can do, and thats why I love the thing. I'm not complaining about the kaiser in general, just wish it played video a little better.
Notice i didnt mention anything about actualy wanting an iphone

Farsquidge said:
OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.

Bratag said:
Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!

Farsquidge said:
Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Well as it has been pointed out previously to this thread - the law suit between Qualcomm and Broadcomm affects only the US. Given that HTC is not a US company, and in fact I didnt BUY my phone in the US I bought it direct from HTC. Explain to me how the lawsuit affects them developing drivers for the chip? Also Why should I have to solve the issue myself - am I not entitled to support? If you bought a car with a 300 HP engine in it and found out they didnt provide a drive shaft and you had to install one yourself ... does that sound like a good deal. This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
I didnt mention suing - I am in fact for the most part against litigation. I simply want either HTC/Qualcomm/MS (but mostly HTC) to step up to their responsibilities. Sometimes an LS is the only way to get companies to do that - but I for one hope it doesnt come down to that.

Bratag said:
This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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No - I am an end consumer. I shouldnt have to learn how to program driver code (which by the way I can do being a programmer of drivers under linux etc and a coder by trade - of course that would actually require HW specs which we also dont have - but back to the point).
Why in the name of hell should I be responsible for fixing this issue? To use the car analogy again. If you buy a car and its under warranty and the clutch breaks - should you have to learn how to replace its clutch or do you take it back to the dealer?
I know the chip is working as much as its allowed to - the problem is the allowed amount sucks, thats the goddamn issue. You dont hear me complaining about the GPS - I use my garmin software on it and couldnt be happier with it. This is about BAD DRIVER SUPPORT!!. Its no different to ATI or NVIDIA providing bad drivers for vista when it first came out. The community went nuts when everything that used to work well under xp stopped working well. Well quite frankly my graphic ssupport was better under my wizard and thats a 3 year old + phone now. What you see here is the community expressing its displeasure at bad drivers.
Oh and if you check the d3d thread you will see I am following it - And have added what little input I can given the total lack of communication from HTC. You can see in that thread that other windows mobile phones using the qualcomm chip seem to have 3d/graphics support, why exactly can LG ect manage it and HTC not?

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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I could have sworn reading that it had 3d video drivers enabled listed in the specs.. maybe I read wrong

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No - I am an end consumer.
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Sorry didn't want to quote your whole message as it was a bit large but just took the relevant bit!!
As in the rest of your rant! you quote about buying a car!! If you bought a car, without test driving it first, how would the laws cover you in the US???
You are one of many who are jumping on this d3d lobby. If you dont like the phone, THROW IT AWAY!!! If you check (and I mean REALLY check)all adds for this device they are not claiming anything above what you have, you are following rumour) Don't moan about what you have spent on it as with anyone SENSIBLE enough to think WHY DID YOU PAY SO MUCH TO buy a phone that does not fulfill your requirements WITHOUT CHECKING what you want????
DOH!! You are embarrasing yourself...

http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
PS: A test drive has f**k all to do with the example I quoted. You can test drive a car and not have it break - but when it does should you be responsible for learning how to fix it? More to the point car manufacturers issue recalls to fix issues all the time. Even after a TEST DRIVE. I never said I didnt like the phone BUT IT HAS A GODDAMN ISSUE. Why can you not acknowledge that when 99.9% of the user base does. If you cant then just sod off and stop posting your htc fanboy crap in the threads. All you do is troll. I am out of this. You are the one embarassing yourself. So far you havent come up with a single valid argument - from the lawsuit to your rebuttal of my example.

hes not embarrasing himself.
you are just showing how much of an ass you seem to be.

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http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
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Again You are confusing HTC's quotation of WM6 OS of what it 'SHOULD' be able to do against what it 'CAN' do.... This has nothing to do with the Qualcomm chip and HTC as a whole, they are limited by the OS and its capabilities.
Check out my LinksysWVC54GC IP cam link thread. The downstreamed mjpeg video is excellent using TCPMP (OH BTW uses d3d!! as WM player in WM6 is still limited and can not!)
Go to basics and realise WM6 and its basic apps is still requiring major changes!!!
Soz if I upset, but just putting the facts.

I'm confused
Bratag... this is *NOT* the "HTC Kaiser Consumer Support" forum. If you have a problem with HTC's Support, I suggest you contact them directly.
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
To use your car analogy; this forum is like Fred down the road, he's replaced the windscreen wipers on his own car, in his own garage, with bright flash ones that the car manufacturer didn't make. He believes that makes his car a bit better than when he bought it...

Just a short fact on the topic, I have a library of movies encoded at around 475 kb/sec at 320x240 that I've used on Archos Players, PPCs, 8525, and now Kaiser with TCPMP and they play and look perfect.
I would like the correct drivers as well to increase general video performance, the Kaiser just cuts it close right now as-is.

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This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
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I whole heartedly disagree
So the "xda-developers > General Discussion > Development and Hacking" is for??
Or the "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser Upgrading" ?
And why are people getting all over Bratag anyway? He didn't intend to flame anyone, which can not be said by some other members.
Back on topic, I would be interested in what people's experiences are with encoding settings that DO work. It does su<& that I have to use two or more different encodings, and it is definitely disappointing that I can't even play a video file without intervention that my $150 camera can record and play, but if we get back to discussing encoding/transcoding to some particular formats and settings, we can actually help each other instead of bashing.
So for WM6, it sounds like bitrate is best to be <500. Does the fomat matter? I have heard Divx and/or AVI. Has anyone tried any others? Can a difference be seen between them?

I find some of the Freeware transcoders to be very 'hit n miss' such as PocketDivX and Pocket DVD, unable to keep audio/video sync on large files.
If you have all the necessary codecs for WM player on your PC so they will play on it (for most dowladed DivX files that end in .avi you will need latest DivX codec and an AC3 audio codec) then just sync them to your phone and they should play quite well in Pocket WM player and even better on TCPMP with RAW selected!

i think you need to calm down - its almost as if you dont want your device to support 3d or accelerated surfaces - what is wrong with you?

unhappy reply from HTC regarding video issue...

So, finally i did get a very short reply from HTC concerning the issues concerning video playback etc. the answer was short, No driver update will be released. So they know the problem but aren't going to solve it...
below my mail and reply:
Problem_Description: Dear sir, madam,
I have a htc TYTN II, bought it as office/multimedia PDA. Now i discovered that movies my old phone can play, can't play smooth on my TYTN II. how can this be since the TYTNII got a qualcomm with ati imageon chipset?
after some research i figured out that there are no drivers on the phone supporting hardware acceleration. So it's not possible to watch smooth video and play games.
Are there coming any software updates for this issue? because i think it's a little bit disapointing on a device of 700 euro.
Also the camera refreshes extremely slow (about 2 fps) in preview mode, wich make it impossible to take pictures in other situations then bright sunlight.
I hope to get a answer to my questions soon.
sincerely yours,
Ren?Molijn
Customer PC: sonyvaio
Customer PC model: FZ21-M
Customer PC OS: other
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reply from HTC:
Unfortunately, we are not developing any drivers for that device at this moment.
Best regards,
Joseph Sutilo
HTC Support
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so now i really hope, you guys can save us out here! and besides that I never ever going to buy a HTC phone anymore with this rediculous service on such a expensive device.
I also sent e-mails to Kassa, a dutch program wich help people with troubles like this, so hopefully we can go with a camera crew to the HTC center. Also making a website, wich hopefully will pop-up on top of google when you search for HTC and review. but more on that later.
greetz, and all of you a happy new year!

At this moment, mayb there is hope now

xmoo said:
At this moment, mayb there is hope now
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video driver for the fuze

I found a particular driver update on video driver for the touch pro and I was wondering what the actual driver version for the original ATT fuze or a way to find it. The driver was paired with the diamond hologram program which they say help boost the fps to 25. I'll edit this thread later w/ the link when i find it.
Here it is:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2892184#post2892184

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I found a particular driver update on video driver for the touch pro and I was wondering what the actual driver version for the original ATT fuze or a way to find it. The driver was paired with the diamond hologram program which they say help boost the fps to 25. I'll edit this thread later w/ the link when i find it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2892184#post2892184
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There are also variables to get that fps, like your page pool. but this driver is pretty well known.

my question would be if the driver is newer than the one provided by att. and also if it will pose any risk of screwing my fuze....

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my question would be if the driver is newer than the one provided by att. and also if it will pose any risk of screwing my fuze....
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Well its a .cab so you CAN uninstall it. And yes it does give somewhat of a better FPS performance on a stock Fuze rom. You really won't notice any better performance unless you are using a 3d program like the hologram program or some 3d games.
My advise, is try it out. If you don't see anything uninstall. A hard reset will always take it back to "stock" anyway.

well i installed it, the hologram thing is awesome. it was a jump from .16 fps up to a 50fps (at its max) usually round 25fps. very cool.
so this driver really doesn't do much if you dont use alot of 3d programs......
any suggestions on cool 3d programs and games so that i can make use of that driver? XD

i found a game called cube on here yesterday its first person shooter kinda cool thats free
or like cod2 of course