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Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
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AllTheWay said:
...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.
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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3

Haha Yeah guys its just a more basic phone for her. She doesnt need some crazy pphone that does as much as the Kaiser. She just needs a phone to talk and text one. She loved her iPhone before and was just getting the hang of things when I got rid of it and got her the Kaiser haha. But she would like to go back now anyways. To each their own guys. Its all personal preference.

well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.

Fared said:
well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.
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I completely agree with you up until 'you can't have both'. Why not? I completely believe that this is where Windows Mobile falls flat on it's face. I would expect that the vast majority of iPhones sold are due to it's looks (I know that's the only factor drawing me towards wanting one). I would therefore argue that had the Windows Mobile interface looked as nice if not nicer then they would obviously be much more appealing, to both the 'fashion' buyers, and to the kind of people that use this forum as it would encompass both functionality, the ability to be modded, and aesthetics...and the iPhone would become obsolete! So come on WM...employ some f'ing designers!! It's a no-brainer!

altho i wouldnt have one, iphone is much thinner, lighter ..
most ppl just dont do the same or expect the same from their device as we do.
i know many guys who sold their tilts for exactly the reasons above..
my tilt is bigger and heavier than my 8y/o nokia .. its an everyday heavy lug when many times i just need a simple phone and occasional web connection..
if i could, or it made any sense, i would have 2 phones.. light and industrial strength
wife has really light thin phone and a nokia n800 in her purse.
driving around, she needs web access. nokia has fast and far wifi recognition..
at least 40% of networks are open and not pw protected..
she taps in real quick, does her business and drives off..
it worx really well

Iphone not so bad
I went from an 8525 > iphone > Tilt.
Still got the iphone. After it's jailbreaked and installer is installed, you can customize it and get just about any program you want on it. It's got style, and the transitions are smooth.
I like WM better, but for its hard to down the iphone, because it's a cool and fast phone.

one major reason i bought my tilt was b/c of the GPS... TomTom is so cool..
it saved me from having to own another gadget..

The iphone with installer does have a load of programs, but what annoys me is that most of those are just eye candy rather than actually useful apps or hacks like we have under WM... Of course the interface smoothness, speed and overall comfort makes it awesome for things like web surfing, but there's so much more functionality on a Kaiser that even if I like the iphone concept, when thinking rationally I would only use it for web and to look at it.. no possible justification to have both
I too to love the Kaiser for versatility. It has managed to include all the devices I was using, last one being the GPS that was external before and that I of course never had with me when I needed it...

Does not even the new 3G iPhone do picture msgs?

Man... maybe I'm crazy but all these people are talking about the iphone's speed and reliability.. In my personal experience (a lot, I live in trendy hollywood) I hear more people saying "I HATE this piece of ****!!" more than anything else about the iphone. Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape. So from my personal experience.. it would seem that the "reliability" of the iphone is all how it was marketed, not how it actually performs.

I'm tired of my HTC Magnum. I would consider an iPhoney in trade, just to tinker with something different.

Hey I have 1st gen iPhone in very good condition unlocked. where you located? pm me asap!

Not to mention new iPhone 3G's battery is a disaster, wont last as long as even tilt...
So you could show up at an awesome party and try to use your iBeer to impress your mates, and only to find out your beloved iPhone 3G has died on you...

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Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape.
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I'm pretty sure those "reliability issues" are like always caused by 3rd-party programs. iPhone users (at least those I know) often have 4-5 pages of useless but funny/good for boasting programs installed, so it's not surprising one could be buggy and cause problems.
One of my friends once had an issue where his iphone wouldn't even hold a day on battery anymore. Turned out it was a program that was still eating the CPU even on standby. Uninstalled and it was fine. He never had speed issues but it can be just the same.
The same is valid on the Kaiser and other WM devices too... I had a program (A2DPToggle) that would do the same, phone never went into standby anymore as soon as the today plugin was active...
Not even talking of the PC... It's just the same on any platform. Incompatibilities/badly designed programs will always be around.

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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3
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I'm a HUGE tilt/ kaiser fan, and still don't understand what you're talking about. The iphone doesn't have poor call quality, it has great call quality. I've used one myself, and have tons of friends that have the iphone. Horrible messaging? No... it works great actually, it just lacks MMS (which should be comings hortly in an update). Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.

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Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.
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Apples and oranges here. While the dialer and camera may not be up to par to most folks, the functionality is already there.
Lacking MMS is a totally different issue.

Your thread, like every other time an iPhone and a Windows phone are mentioned together, has been hijacked. It is a fact that both camps have very strong emotions and a "my phone is the only choice" attitude. This thread is not the place for that discussion. Let's get back to the purpose of the OP.
Does anyone wanna trade an iPhone for this guys Tilt?

Anyone have a new one they would trade?

Bye guys(kinda)

well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert

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well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert
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Albert, you helped me out and I learned alot from you! You will be missed, promise to stop by and say hello now and then! I wish you the best!
Cal

Thanks for all your hard work, skinning and mostly for your orginizational skills in keeping the skins thread running productively and peacefully ( such that it was ). We will miss you and look forward to your return. And you will.
My wife has an iphone that I fool with from time to time, Steve Jobs and Apple will crush the inspiration and creativity out of you in no time. Entertainment aside, unlike WM , the iphone is done Apple's way or not at all.
Good Luck, Denco

thanks for the excellent skins, etc.! Best of luck with your new toy...

Blah! NOOO! Read this first! By Steve Davis of ppcmobility. Btw, I'm 16 too and I find out that the Fuze is still much better than my friends' iPhones.
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
Time for my list. I’ll start backwards… well in order… at 10. Well.... 9 is good for iphone users
10. iPhone(Apple) users. Don’t get me wrong. I like people, but iPhone people and Apple people are their own breed. They always think that Macs are the best, Apple is the best company ever and the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread. They will push the iPhone on you until you hate everything Apple. This includes you Walt Mossberg. Apparently for the price you get one iPhone and a few pounds of smug to carry around with you. When the iPhone 3G came out I had to keep checking my phone to make sure I really did have 3G for years because the way it was advertised I was certain they were releasing something so new to the market I couldn’t have had it already.
9. Applications made free for iPhones. I can go over a lot of applications that come out for iPhone that are free and good, but were out for Windows mobile for years beforehand and were not free. Shazam is out on Android and iPhone for free. They came out with a program called “TagIt” in 2006, but that has disappeared and they only have the service for iPhone and Android or for people in the UK(no offense, US gets stuff first 9 times out of 10). Pandora! Free for iPhone and its BIG NEWS, but its been out for Windows Mobile for a while, but you had to pay, which is not cool. I’m sure there are more out there, but I cant think of them right now. Those are the 2 big ones.
8. Cut and Paste. BGR is right, this is a big problem. Just because the Macs dont have mice with 2 buttons doesn’t mean you need to cripple your iPhone to not be able to copy and paste! (I know you can right click NOW but that’s kind of new).
7. 1 word, Flash. Skyfire has recently given Windows mobile users the benefit of Flash websites. I’d expect the best phone in the world to do the same. Flash mobile has been out for a while, but what sites recognize flash lite 3.1 or mobile 7? And Safari is constantly touted as the best browser. The numbers are simple - SkyFire loads WebPages much faster than Safari plus you get the real internet (yeah, with Flash, etc). Oh and congrats iPhone you finally have more choices.
6. Non-Replaceable battery. Now sure, the iPhone battery will last FOREVER, but what if it doesn’t? What if I want more than the 5 hours of 3G talk time Apple specs out? What if i want a high-capacity battery without cracking it open or putting a strange case on it? Given most phones will get thicker with a bigger battery, but you don’t have to void your warranty or use a case you don’t want to use. This really goes to the core of how Apple makes money. The original Mac cases could not be opened so you would be forced to buy a new computer and there was no ‘upgrading’. The iPods also have a non-replaceable battery. The reason is simple - when the battery dies this forces you to buy the newest version and since everyone loves Apple they shell out more money ever year for a slight upgrade. This may also explain why other items on this list are here; it gives Apple a reason to release iPhone v3. And don’t even get me started on the proprietary plug instead of mini-USB which is now becoming standard for PDA’s
5. Multitasking. There is some misconception about this and theiPhoneBlog has a good write-up about it and the deal is that Apple only allows its own apps(mail, phone, etc) to multitask. 3rd party apps cant. I’ll get into that in #4.
4. Install whatever i want without jailbreak. So with Windows Mobile, not only can i edit the registry, but I can install WHATEVER I WANT without jailbreaking my phone and potentially bricking it. I find it hard to believe that they can demand the price they do and lock your device entirely and not get heat for it. If Windows did the same thing they would get destroyed for it.
3a. The Screen. I hate hearing that the iPhone has such a beautiful screen. Guess what? I can see pixels. All of them. If I pick up my Fuze I don’t see any thanks to the glory that is VGA. I’m sure Apple will release a VGA screen and then I’ll hear all of the media hype about how it’s the sharpest screen ever even though we all know the Touch HD has the same dimensions with a higher resolution.
3b. The User Interface. The user interface of the iPhone is merely an application launcher and if you want more than that or a different look then Apple will tell you to look elsewhere or wait for their next latest and greatest release. It is literally nothing more than a page of shortcuts and people love the simplicity and entire lack of actual interface. And the intentional minimalist look for the iPhone (with a single hard button) also breeds this inefficiency. If you’re in an application and want to use the phone there’s no ‘phone’ button. You have to go home then launch the phone.
2. Customization of icons/themes/skins/BACKGROUND again without jailbreak. Just about every phone on XDA has a thread for “post your today screen”. For the iPhone, those forums need to be in the jailbreak sections. How hard would it be to make it standard to be able to have custom icons and skins? And changing the background was one of the bigger gripes I had when looking for a phone. It may not sound like much, but I want to do what I want to do. Why do I need to conform to what Apple wants? The name iPhone is a misnomer. It should be Steve’s Phone because he found some settings he likes and told you to like them too
1. MMS. Why cant i sent a MMS to my friends who have iPhones? When I ask them, they just say “email it to me”. Well I don’t want to. I can MMS pictures to my other friends, I’m not going to make an exception for my iPhone friends. You CAN get a MMS app for the iPhone, but you need to again Jailbreak it and then you’re good to go.
These reasons alone weren’t why I got the Fuze, but they did help in the long run. Hopefully you weren’t swayed by the hype and advertising like everyone else. What’s #1 on your list?
And if you are interested in what an iPhone can do when you jailbreak it, check out this link wouldn’t it be nice if it could do some of that right out of the box? Like a Windows Mobile phone?
Let the bashing begin…
-SCDavis
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Kraize said:
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
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It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...

Hey, props to knA , lets not let this turn into another iPhone sucks thread.
Thanks again kid

rhov23 said:
It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...
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aaaaaaaaamen

Good luck with your new device
Hope in the future you come back!

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hahah that is rich.

Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone

Good luck to you. You'll be missed

maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN

kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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I know what u mean, I'm a skinner myself . SKIN THEM ALIVE!

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maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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What's the matter with the HTC Touch HD? Even PDAEssentials, which normally worships the iPhone, admitted recently that the HTC Touch HD won in their iPhone-HD-X1-Storm head-to-head.
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Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone
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Hahahahahahaha...*draws breath*...hahahahaha...
Oh wait - I got that stupid smudge of doom and massive realignment problem on my Touch.
Touchphones are clearly still in their early days.

well, i have my iphone 3g for about 4 months now, while most of the glorious why iphone is not good list does not apply to me... with the exception of flash and UI, i am pretty happy with it. iphone comes with a lot of features i dont need to hunt down in WM, and a lot of interesting apps after it is jailbroke (seriously, if you can handle a WM, jailbreaking iphone should be a no-brainer process). i can safely say i probably wont get another WM device unless WM7 is significantly better than WM6.1, but i definitely wont get the next iphone... if theres a next one... back to symbian i guess...

Who thinks there will be an iPhone slider phone?

of course the iPhone would have a keyboard...who thinks this will happen within the next 10 years (2009-2019) for the iPhone line of phones?
Edit: When I said "of course the iPhone would have a keyboard" I meant that if the iPhone was a slider a phone, than of course I am talking about an iPhone with a qwerty keyboard...not a dial pad....not like an N95 but something more like a Touch Pro

as a follower, they should prepare to have it

i doesnt really matter even if they attach some xtrange keyboard is just one thing i never but never matters to me

No, will not happen
I don't think there will be a slider phone from Apple, simply becaise the designs of the Iphone won't allow sliding extras. The design of the phone was always based on looking solid and out of one piece, like it's the case with the Imac, Iphone and Ipod. I rest my case

Even if they do, it will still be crap. Anyways, I don't believe there will be iPhails in 2019.............
EDIT: It looks like in my blind hatred I forgot to answer the question.
I think it is the next logical step. iPhail users can be easily satisfied, but many people have switched to devices with a physical keyboard. Pre, Xperia, N97 and so forth offer much more flexibility and I will not even mention the endless stream of messaging phones. I bet that crApple will try to tap that market and the only way to do that is to add a keyboard. Advancements in haptics will not compensate for the lack of one.
Haha look at this:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/financial-times-confirms-apple-tablet-for-september/

+ Que PPC said:
i doesnt really matter even if they attach some xtrange keyboard is just one thing i never but never matters to me
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Completly agree Paisa!
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Even if they do, it will still be crap. Anyways, I don't believe there will be iPhails in 2019.............
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Same here +1

Iphone will never have a hardware keyboard because they're all abut touch and so on plus the iphone looks boring in design since they all look alike i bet the only difference between the iphones now and the distant future ones will be the thickness.

Yup I dont think so neither

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Yeah!! I also think that it will have a slider phone.
Really

Nope, don't think it will ever happen
The concept of Iphone does not allow additions or protruding parts. Besides, the latest trends indicate shift towards keyless or full qwerty full touch large screen devices and Iphone is already there. They will improve functions and OSX, adding a video call and other gadgety things, but will not add a keyboard in any shape or form. They don't even want an external one used, that's something to ponder.
In 10 years we won't even remember Iphone, we'll have the next best thing - a cellphone inbuilt into our brans with calls made by voice and answered by blinking twice or pulling on the ear. Or better still - we'll genetically modify our future progeny to be born with a cellphone already growing in the brain and attached to the eye, so that any e-mails, txt messages, photos and movies are downloaded and viewed automatically and video calls can be made clicking your tongue

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The concept of Iphone does not allow additions or protruding parts. Besides, the latest trends indicate shift towards keyless or full qwerty full touch large screen devices and Iphone is already there. They will improve functions and OSX, adding a video call and other gadgety things, but will not add a keyboard in any shape or form. They don't even want an external one used, that's something to ponder.
In 10 years we won't even remember Iphone, we'll have the next best thing - a cellphone inbuilt into our brans with calls made by voice and answered by blinking twice or pulling on the ear. Or better still - we'll genetically modify our future progeny to be born with a cellphone already growing in the brain and attached to the eye, so that any e-mails, txt messages, photos and movies are downloaded and viewed automatically and video calls can be made clicking your tongue
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Yeah, and what about the ROM's for our brains
"Hey man, how are you, I just flashed my head with the latest ROM from XDA-Brain developers, now I have 3 eyes "

Win_XP said:
Yeah, and what about the ROM's for our brains
"Hey man, how are you, I just flashed my head with the latest ROM from XDA-Brain developers, now I have 3 eyes "
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LOL!
I have an extra arm with that ROM! probably I have not configured in the proper way... I want my extra eye not an arm

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Yeah, and what about the ROM's for our brains
"Hey man, how are you, I just flashed my head with the latest ROM from XDA-Brain developers, now I have 3 eyes "
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Now you are just being silly - STAY AWAY FROM BETA RELEASES!!!!
'Why are you blinking with only one eye?' 'Tomal released a new beta for my brain, I am testing and posting bug report'

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Now you are just being silly - STAY AWAY FROM BETA RELEASES!!!!
'Why are you blinking with only one eye?' 'Tomal released a new beta for my brain, I am testing and posting bug report'
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Thanks Abusalza, the new brain rom is running great.
I think I found a couple of bugs though.......................
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Thanks Abusalza, the new brain rom is running great.
I think I found a couple of bugs though.......................
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minor inconveniences.
back on topic... the IPhone will probably never receive a built in keyboard. but i am sure small external ones will appear eventually with Bluetooth being opened up.

Apple will likely release an overly expensive bluetooth keyboard that the masses will buy because it looks good and works only with the iPhone.

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Apple will likely release an overly expensive bluetooth keyboard that the masses will buy because it looks good and works only with the iPhone.
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EXACTLY.

JRK-Scope said:
Apple will likely release an overly expensive bluetooth keyboard that the masses will buy because it looks good and works only with the iPhone.
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Doubtful , Apple doesn't do accessories, not enough of a profit margin.
They are more likely to come out with a tablet that makes phone calls.

The number of iPhail threads lately is concerning....

orelsi said:
The number of iPhail threads lately is concerning....
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then i bet the fact that XDA-developers.com owns Iphone-developers.com must be really unsettling.

Which is the best browser? And is anoyone of them as good as safari on the iphone?

As the title says which is the best?

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As the title says which is the best?
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Opera 9.7, faster (Turbo, the proxy), more stable, smoother (due to OpenGL-ES acceleration), more features (tabs, flashlite3.1, etc) and superb customisation (about:config).
Opera 9.7 beats Safari for iPony any day of the week. For everything else, Opera Mini 5 (lightning fast) and Skyfire (flash 10/silverlight).

Without flash support, Safari is simply a piece of crap. (Even crappy pocket IE from WM6.5 now support flash as well)

I really like the internet explorer that comes with wm 6.5.. But thats just personal!

Opera 9.5 and SkyFire atm.
Lawl at safari. By the words of Steve Jobs - "Safari is designed to bring the full Internet experience to the user" - Yeah noob, most of the web pages use flash, so how are you going to do that?
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netfront 3.5 is best browser ever

Did anyone say iPhail?

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Did anyone say iPhail?
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For me:
Opera Mini 5
Opera Mobile 9.7

@orelsi, do have the same thing of iphone 3g s?
We can say everything about iphone, but the gadgets, new apps and games of iphone are superb i.c.w. Xperia. It's already one year that I have Xperia and only new eye cathy thing what I have sinds then is Mobile Shell 3.5. I just miss one thing on Iphone, and that is the hardware keyboard. All the other missing things are just things what I dont use anyway.
o.t.: I use Iris Browser and Opera Mini 5. Opera Mini 5 for quickly surf on pages (like forums) and Iris Browser for daily use. Iris Browser shows some important pages (like google, google mail, google agenda) very clear and its pretty fast.

M.Ozturk said:
We can say everything about iphone, but the gadgets, new apps and games of iphone are superb i.c.w. Xperia.
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I lol'd so hard at this. Better games without any hardware controls? lulz. Better apps? double lulz.
Here, have another one:

I'm not an Iphone defender or something like that, but your answers are really funny. I didnt say about better apps and games, but new apps and new games. And about not having hardware keys, my favorite games on Xperia are Tony Hawk pro skater and warfare, both games do you play without hardware keys
And about the picture you have added, that's not the answer for my question.

hehe, this pictures always make me laugh...
but to be honest, most of these things the 3gs has now. why it didn't have such basics in the first place - well, it's apple: "don't ask us for anything, we've already decided what you need and what not!"
but to be fair:
the features / apps the iphone has, are working. flawlessly. something you can't say about the x1. (or most other phones for that case) the word "banana principle" comes to mind...
on topic:
somehow i always end up with opera 9.5 build 16194. it's a genuine x1-build (hw-keyb functional) and it's stable and fast. i decided to leave out flash until adobe releases the new mobile-version. you can get it working now, but it's just flash lite, which equals flash 7 - most flash content requires version 10 and won't show/play.

M.Ozturk said:
I'm not an Iphone defender or something like that, but your answers are really funny. I didnt say about better apps and games, but new apps and new games. And about not having hardware keys, my favorite games on Xperia are Tony Hawk pro skater and warfare, both games do you play without hardware keys
And about the picture you have added, that's not the answer for my question.
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You find this mockery because we are juvenile and also because the thread title is just silly.
Opera is superior to Safari. It has flash support, compression, and all the prettiness you get from Safari.
So to ask if any one of them is as good as Safari on iPhone is to ask the ridiculous.
Opera is better.
Your defense meanwhile only indicates that you do have a sensitivity to iPhone (you are emotionally vested or supportive) or you are simply poorly informed.

M.Ozturk said:
I'm not an Iphone defender or something like that, but your answers are really funny. I didnt say about better apps and games, but new apps and new games. And about not having hardware keys, my favorite games on Xperia are Tony Hawk pro skater and warfare, both games do you play without hardware keys
And about the picture you have added, that's not the answer for my question.
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Oh, I didn't see the "s". You can have a 3gs as well...
Now, what really annoys me is a practice getting more and more common on xda (and other places) lately. People say something and if another person points that they are wrong or calls them out on it - THEY BACKTRACK AND SAY "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT".
Please don't be one of those cowards and stand by your words like a man.
Your words are beyond clear.
There is a chance that you wanted to say something and didn't express yourself clearly, in that case, DO IT BETTER NEXT TIME and don't blame other people for it.
caliban2 said:
hehe, this pictures always make me laugh...
but to be honest, most of these things the 3gs has now. why it didn't have such basics in the first place - well, it's apple: "don't ask us for anything, we've already decided what you need and what not!"
but to be fair:
the features / apps the iphone has, are working. flawlessly. something you can't say about the x1. (or most other phones for that case) the word "banana principle" comes to mind...
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The iPhail is still nothing but crap. They have added a couple of things (that other phones had since the 1990s), but what about the hundreds of missing features? I guess we should be thankful for the revolutional "copy, paste and CUT!!!!!!" and call it a day lmao.
Most of their apps are totally useless and are good for only one thing - entertaining idiots!. 50k fart apps for the win? They work, because of the severe constriction othat crApple places upon the user. No choice where and how to install, no managers, no options, no customization, TOTAL FRAKKING CONTROL BY CRAPPLE. Pffff....
I have all those things and my phone still works perfectly. Which one is better huh?

question: why did you quote my post?! your answer doesn't connect to it in any way!

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question: why did you quote my post?! your answer doesn't connect to it in any way!
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Huh? Reading and comprehension fail ?
Here is another one for all the iCrap lovers out there (you know who you are):

lol orelsy, man you talk about not being cowert and standing by my words like a man because i say that i meant something else? Well i think that yo have to read better. First I wrote clearly about NEW apps and games, second I ask you the same picture of 3G S and you still place a picture of 3G. Well be a man and say that you didnt read it clearly.
hannigan, Im not an iphone fan but these two things are simply facts, not opinion. What I dont understand is that some people cant admit these two facts and have the inclination of saying something negative about the iphone. F.ck iphone, i have xperia and i'm happy with it, but I would like to have more apps and games available like iphone. arent there a lot of people who says that xperia is nothing if there werent xda? thats what I mean.

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ask you the same picture of 3G S and you still place a picture of 3G. Well be a man and say that you didnt read it clearly.
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Um.... look at...
orelsi said:
Oh, I didn't see the "s".
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Hm...??? Interesting stuff, won't you say?

M.Ozturk said:
lol orelsy, man you talk about not being cowert and standing by my words like a man because i say that i meant something else? Well i think that yo have to read better. First I wrote clearly about NEW apps and games, second I ask you the same picture of 3G S and you still place a picture of 3G. Well be a man and say that you didnt read it clearly.
hannigan, Im not an iphone fan but these two things are simply facts, not opinion. What I dont understand is that some people cant admit these two facts and have the inclination of saying something negative about the iphone. F.ck iphone, i have xperia and i'm happy with it, but I would like to have more apps and games available like iphone. arent there a lot of people who says that xperia is nothing if there werent xda? thats what I mean.
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What things are facts? I said that Opera is superior, and that we are all juvenile at XDA. I think that you think I am debating something with you. I am not. I am explaining the silliness of the thread title, and saying that if anyone thinks that Safari on iPhone is the best mobile browser they are crazy or uninformed. I am not an iPhone hater. I believe they have a place, but I do not think they should be confused with legit PocketPCs in their functionality

Someone should YouTube a browser shootout showing which mobile browser successfully loads the widest variety of websites? Which browser can successfully/accurately load a full blown flash website? To me, that would be the best browser.

So, I traded my Note 4...

For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me

bad mistake i went the other way you have gone to the dark side.

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For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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you will be back after your iphone goes all floppy and bends.

Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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You should try downloading the #bendgate app.It will make your iPhone more fabulous.

As first, my deep condolences.
Second,what is purpose of this thread ?
iCrap does not belong here so consider to join some iCrap community.

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.

I must admit I have thought about it while sitting here waiting for lollipop. Considered the Nexus 6 as well, but at the end of the day this Note can do things that none of the competition can. The pen mostly but the removable battery and sd card are also nice. 6+ would be ok if I got the 128gb version but here in New Zealand a 32gb Nexus 6 costs the same as a note 4 so it's a total no brainer, lollipop or not.

The Black Droid said:
For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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why? Just interested...

I actually had the same thought, because I admire the beauty of the iPhone. But after taking a look I realized that they wanted me to pay extra cash for the exchange which is ridiculous since they get a better phone from me then I get from them.. But I might trade phones, just to try out the 6+ someday..

Im waiting for "IPhone 17 plus +" until then I stick with Note series.
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I actually think it's not a bad idea at all. I've been with Andorid since the start and never had an Iphone, but there's tons of apps that have better support on iOS/apps that are not on Android at all. anyway..why not change once in awhile and try new things right? maybe i'll do it with my next phone

I made complete research, and just for change of taste, i went to buy an iphone 6+, got it booked here in Pakistan. but ended up buying a Note 4, and my first 2-3 days were of full depression because of battery drains but now its all fine. the only regret i have is the sound quality i was having with htc one m8 before, otherwise note4 is soooo awesome <3

After just one day with it, I quite content with it. Seems to be pretty solid...so far.

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Even that regular coffee for $4 is overpriced. You can get a refusal coffee at Starbucks for $2.50.
Sorry had to point that out. Lol
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The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.

mathieulh said:
The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.
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Agree but that's how they maintain the pubic perception that their platform is stable, secure and reliable. In reality it's no better that a high end Android these days, it's just that it's much easier for Android users to completely bork their phone by installing badly built apps.
Also iOS is easier to develop for, so long as you're compatible with the latest iOS you don't really need to worry about much else. Android is completely different. People could be running your app on anything from gingerbread to lollipop, have from a 1ghz single core cpu to a quad/octa core monster, 512mb to 3gb ram, 600x800 up to 1440x2560 screen res, etc etc.
In other words I couldn't give a **** for iOS, but the app ecosystem is kind of tempting.

nookcoloruser said:
That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.
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So much of this. I have both the devices too, along with a nexus 6 and i really don't understand the hate on both sides. Plus as others have already said the topic is irrelevant on this forum. There is such a thing as discretion of posting.
That said to the OP, iPhone 6 plus is a fine device. Enjoy the great apps, a great consistent camera and great battery life.

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That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
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Can you elaborate on this? While your statement holds partial truth, it was also ironic that I tried to download a well-known android app on my iPhone. Never, EVER make me feel like I wasted money on an education again!