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...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
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AllTheWay said:
...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.
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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3
Haha Yeah guys its just a more basic phone for her. She doesnt need some crazy pphone that does as much as the Kaiser. She just needs a phone to talk and text one. She loved her iPhone before and was just getting the hang of things when I got rid of it and got her the Kaiser haha. But she would like to go back now anyways. To each their own guys. Its all personal preference.
well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.
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well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.
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I completely agree with you up until 'you can't have both'. Why not? I completely believe that this is where Windows Mobile falls flat on it's face. I would expect that the vast majority of iPhones sold are due to it's looks (I know that's the only factor drawing me towards wanting one). I would therefore argue that had the Windows Mobile interface looked as nice if not nicer then they would obviously be much more appealing, to both the 'fashion' buyers, and to the kind of people that use this forum as it would encompass both functionality, the ability to be modded, and aesthetics...and the iPhone would become obsolete! So come on WM...employ some f'ing designers!! It's a no-brainer!
altho i wouldnt have one, iphone is much thinner, lighter ..
most ppl just dont do the same or expect the same from their device as we do.
i know many guys who sold their tilts for exactly the reasons above..
my tilt is bigger and heavier than my 8y/o nokia .. its an everyday heavy lug when many times i just need a simple phone and occasional web connection..
if i could, or it made any sense, i would have 2 phones.. light and industrial strength
wife has really light thin phone and a nokia n800 in her purse.
driving around, she needs web access. nokia has fast and far wifi recognition..
at least 40% of networks are open and not pw protected..
she taps in real quick, does her business and drives off..
it worx really well
Iphone not so bad
I went from an 8525 > iphone > Tilt.
Still got the iphone. After it's jailbreaked and installer is installed, you can customize it and get just about any program you want on it. It's got style, and the transitions are smooth.
I like WM better, but for its hard to down the iphone, because it's a cool and fast phone.
one major reason i bought my tilt was b/c of the GPS... TomTom is so cool..
it saved me from having to own another gadget..
The iphone with installer does have a load of programs, but what annoys me is that most of those are just eye candy rather than actually useful apps or hacks like we have under WM... Of course the interface smoothness, speed and overall comfort makes it awesome for things like web surfing, but there's so much more functionality on a Kaiser that even if I like the iphone concept, when thinking rationally I would only use it for web and to look at it.. no possible justification to have both
I too to love the Kaiser for versatility. It has managed to include all the devices I was using, last one being the GPS that was external before and that I of course never had with me when I needed it...
Does not even the new 3G iPhone do picture msgs?
Man... maybe I'm crazy but all these people are talking about the iphone's speed and reliability.. In my personal experience (a lot, I live in trendy hollywood) I hear more people saying "I HATE this piece of ****!!" more than anything else about the iphone. Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape. So from my personal experience.. it would seem that the "reliability" of the iphone is all how it was marketed, not how it actually performs.
I'm tired of my HTC Magnum. I would consider an iPhoney in trade, just to tinker with something different.
Hey I have 1st gen iPhone in very good condition unlocked. where you located? pm me asap!
Not to mention new iPhone 3G's battery is a disaster, wont last as long as even tilt...
So you could show up at an awesome party and try to use your iBeer to impress your mates, and only to find out your beloved iPhone 3G has died on you...
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Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape.
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I'm pretty sure those "reliability issues" are like always caused by 3rd-party programs. iPhone users (at least those I know) often have 4-5 pages of useless but funny/good for boasting programs installed, so it's not surprising one could be buggy and cause problems.
One of my friends once had an issue where his iphone wouldn't even hold a day on battery anymore. Turned out it was a program that was still eating the CPU even on standby. Uninstalled and it was fine. He never had speed issues but it can be just the same.
The same is valid on the Kaiser and other WM devices too... I had a program (A2DPToggle) that would do the same, phone never went into standby anymore as soon as the today plugin was active...
Not even talking of the PC... It's just the same on any platform. Incompatibilities/badly designed programs will always be around.
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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3
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I'm a HUGE tilt/ kaiser fan, and still don't understand what you're talking about. The iphone doesn't have poor call quality, it has great call quality. I've used one myself, and have tons of friends that have the iphone. Horrible messaging? No... it works great actually, it just lacks MMS (which should be comings hortly in an update). Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.
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Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.
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Apples and oranges here. While the dialer and camera may not be up to par to most folks, the functionality is already there.
Lacking MMS is a totally different issue.
Your thread, like every other time an iPhone and a Windows phone are mentioned together, has been hijacked. It is a fact that both camps have very strong emotions and a "my phone is the only choice" attitude. This thread is not the place for that discussion. Let's get back to the purpose of the OP.
Does anyone wanna trade an iPhone for this guys Tilt?
Anyone have a new one they would trade?
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Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...
ehr... How about you try installing that Manilla-thingy?
Wow effect kinda depends on what you're used to..
Hope you find your 'WOW!' ...and let us all know ;-) Good luck!
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Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...
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i run HARET and everyone goes WOW!
here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.
manilla 2d
andriod
a little program called basils smser is alot of fun, its a bomber flooder, type what message you want to send and how many times you want to send it. it also has practical uses such as voting for american idol haha i got just over 20 thousand votes in for the last finale
another program called oist allows you to remotely control your phone through txt messages
SKYFIRE! the skyfire revolution my friend is a must
the panoramic camera function is fun to play with
also their is a program that you take a picture of a buisnes card and it automatically picks everything up and fills in all the information.....
a prgram that acts as a remote for your tv.....
their is alot of stuff out their really..... with windows mobile if you can imagine it there is just about a program to do it
you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!
_RMB_ said:
you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!
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here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.
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My list is shorter:
when I got my first WM 2003 SE PocketPC for Phone Edition (or whatever that horrible name was) I expected and waited for BSOD for about a week until I finally shook my head in disbelief it didn't happen
And I'm with WinMo since - that's my one and only WOW...
@ OP
Don't be naive. It's a Windoze mini computer with a phone. The worst existing Operating System on the market, perhaps ever in the computing history. Isn't it a "WOW!" already? It's a miracle in itself that it works
And as previous poster said - that's also exactly why we all use it, don't we? To have possibility to hack, crack, f*ck and whatever else we can with it. Same as with our big computers. We use linux for daily stuff (or a Mac at worst, if youre into eyecandy limited crap), and Windozes for the apps that are handy and not avail. there. Its exactly the same with our small computers, aka PPC or Smartphones.
So, honestly, if youre into WinMo phones for some "kewl" "wow factor", youre in the wrong place, and with wrong device in your hand.
I say go get an iCrap 3G and start pleasuring it (/edit: I mean fingering it, like all those Apple nuts do) and start showing off if you're into "wow" instead of what you can do with it or use it for , and of course if you're not the last on the block to have that crappy "i" phone that consists entirely of "kewl" look but no substance at all ;-) ... because seriously, as far as "kewl factor" goes, no one beats Apple (in both uselessness and "wow" factor in the same time) and current "best looking UI" on WinMo - Manila - (notice I didn't say it is best at all, just best looking) is still not as cool as iPoo's UI (because it can NOT be - can you even imagine using i.e. Word or Excel with just touch screen and no stylus? Not to mention lack of copy'n'paste ROTFL)
And don't count on Android. As linux-based OS, it will never be as popular as cranky WinMo - because most people use Windozes and ppl stick with what they know usually. I'm sure it will be best and most stable OS out of all mobile platforms, yet it won't be more popular in the mobile world than linux is among PC users (I wish I'm wrong...)
If anything - maybe one day that old Symbian, if it still have some juice left in it, may surprise us one day with stable and "WOW'y" OS...
Just my 0.02
oh and yeah, why is it in development? Im not even sure it even fits "general", it should have been in iPhone section... oh yeah <smack myself in the head> thankfully we don't have any iPoo section
I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "
cproaudio yesterday.
my wow
winmobile torrent but i would like to find a program that will convert video files on the kaiser directly without the need for a comp.
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I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "
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I always knew that the first 'K' in KITT stood for Kaiser...
Hello All,
I just thought that I would start this thread because I know that a lot of people on this forum have been complaining about the status of the Kaiser and the Graphics driver (or lack thereof).
I have a Kaiser myself, and so far have been very happy with it, but when I managed to get a new iphone 3G 16Gb for a very good price, I thought that it would be interesting to try it.
I have now decided to get rid of one of the phones... which one??? The iPHONE!!!!!!!!!
I HONESTLY feel that the iphone is an excellent phone, but it is no where near ready to take on the likes of the Diamond or the Kaiser in the corporate environment.
What are your feelings? Please let me know if you have also tried one.
If anyone wants to know more details about why I sold the iphone, please feel free to contact me.
I am a student with a kaiser and i use many of its features everyday, but dont think i could EVER use everything this phone and WM(as much as i dislike it) has to offer. The iphone is a great phone that excels extremly well in its areas, but i dont believe the kaiser and iphone are direct competers. Iphone= entertainment/business casual phone for anyone, simple and strait forward. Kaiser= Business & complex phone for thoughs who need to be able to take there computer with the anywhere
My thoughts...
Both phones are really nice phones and what one does well the other lacks. To me the best thing about the iphone was the browser. Safari on the iPhone is much better than IE for WM. If you throw in the latest version of Opera into the mix the web browsing parts of the phone become more comparable. What I did was change the Opera user agent string to spoof the iPhone. This way sites that are designed for the iPhone come up in Opera without any issues that I have ran into so far. There are a few sites that I visit that have a much better version for the iPhone. A few for example are espn.com , nypost.com , delta.com and even the msn.com page looks better in Opera with spoofing the iPhone than it does in IE. If you spoof the user agent with IE it does not display the web pages correctly.
Email I give a slight edge to the Kaiser. Both handle it very well but once again the keyboard makes it easier for me.
MMS...Well I use it quite often and it was lacking from the iPhone.
I need to edit documents on the go and the iPhone couldn't do it out of the box and with it jailbroken it was a pain in the ass to do all that typing on the screen.
Using it as a media device the iPhone has the advantage. iTunes has a much better interface than WMP or Audio Manager. Easier to sync and the app store was kind of cool. I miss the iTrans NYC subway maps. Even though I know the subway system it was a nifty little app to use. Google Maps is ok for subway directions but preffered iTrans. What I found interesting though is that the Kaiser seems to have better sound quality than the iPhone when listening to music. I just got a set of Shure headphones and with Audio Booster I get much better sound than with the iPhone and same headphones. Most likely due to no EQ for iPhone. If there is one than I missed it.
For me I am back with my TyTN II. I guess I need to have my PC with me all the time and with the TyTN II I can even more so than with the iPhone. Plus I get a kick when everyone has there me too iPhones and I whip out my phone. It starts a few converstations a week while I am commuting...
I used iphone 3G for a month and has moved back to Tilt now. my reasons are quite simple
I can control my tilt by modifying it in whatever way i want, which i was not able to do with iphone
copy and paste was not there in iphone
eventhough the iphone feels sturdy i doubt it. i dont have that confidence in rough handling iphone as other ones i had.
the loudspeaker is very low
no flash support. Skyfire is awesome for tilt now
no file transfers
But of course iphone is a fantastic phone with a love at first sight screen and awesome browser. I would love to have a phone with iphone screen resolution and a iphone browser and everything else like tilt.
Geez, another useless "which one is better thread"...
read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432728
and pay special attention to post 19...and then 16....then you'll get a clear answer.
*yes, 16 is uselss, but it sure is funny....LOL
**Yes..and I know if you laugh at your own joke it really isn't that funny--deal wih it..
XDA-OSXDEVELOPERS.COM
The iphone sucks and always will, Wow it has a nice GUI, whoopty-fuc*ing-doo. So does manilla. And you can load 3rd party apps, without having to be connected to wifi, and (hold on to your seat) you can bluetooth a freakin ringtone. And one more suprise....Ready, Ya sure.... The kaiser can copy and paste, and even view a freakin web in FLASH. OMFG.
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Iphone 3G is alright, i owned the original Iphone and messed around with my friends Iphone 3g. Its an ok phone. Its missing too many things i love from the Tilt. I'll start off with the things I love on the Tilt that the Iphone is missing.
1. Copy and Paste
2. Skyfire, and Opera Mobile
3. A true gps like Tom Tom
4. Bluetooth A2DP
5. Camera with video recording(plus its 3mp and 6mp with panorama shots)
6. Thousands of ways to customize with mobile shells, iphone themes also, etc,...
7. Louder speaker, its waaaay too low. I almost always missed phone calls on my old iphone, and iphone 3g is no different.
Personally, for me to want an iphone, those things would have to be in a future version. A keyboard would be nice, but i can live without it.
And now the good things.
1. Great big Touch Screen, the best i've ever tried.
2. Nice music and itunes going for it, buying songs on the phone through wifi. Pretty great stuff. (On another note, using programs such as S2P, S2U2, and S2V, would give you most of iphones greatest features on the Tilt. Mimics iphones picture, mp3 player with cover flow, and its lock program. They all work great on the tilt.)
3. Great video playback. The tilt is good for watching videos(such as youtube, but can't match the iphones much smoother playback.
4. Great App store with games that utilize iphones accelerometer and touch screen. Its pretty nice(although tilt also has tons of apps and games, certain things don't work nearly as good as they do on the iphone, especially when it comes to touch gestures.)
The iphone is a pretty neat phone, its just missing many things such as mms as well. I occasionally use mms, but its not a neccesity for me so i didnt list it, but it is for others. I'd wait for the 3rd or 4th generation iphone personally, before diving in. Or, you can look towards the google android. I would be getting one if i had t-mobile, but im on ATT. Its almost just like the iphone, going to have a similiar app store, mms, gps with street views, full keyboard, and nice big touch screen as well. When it comes to the Tilt vs the iphone 3g, the tilt wins hands down. A second generation ipod touch seems more likely to buy for me.
Thanks for your comments. I simply wanted to make sure that I was not the only person that is not so impressed with the iPhone.
I have now in fact sold the phone, but I think that I MIGHT regret it.
I saw an article yesterday that shows a programmer in Norway has managed to get Windows Mobile running on the iPhone. He has managed to create a "boot camp" equivalent for the iphone. Sadly the system is only in BETA at the moment, but he said that he will be selling the system in January 2009.
I am alone in thinking that this would be a REALLY cool phone to have Windows Mobile on the iPhone Hardware???????
Comments please!!!!!!
There is already a thread about the iphone running WM, but some of the commentary suggests that its a possible fake Anyway, to answer your question, Iphone wouldnt be Iphone running WM.
There are plenty of iPhone dissing threads in Off-Topic, Where they belong.
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Just came across this in the HDIII thread
Laughed out loud
New 3G iPhone review
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omg soooooo funny and so true haha
MOVE ASIDE GUYS LET ME DO THE REVIEW
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oops sorry didnt know the pic in the 1st post is the same
hehe even i got this pic and posted it without checking 1st post
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ROFL!! (the damn thing tells me to write atleast 10 chars)
I HATE APPLE!
I love those pictures
But I have to wonder why people keep making threads about the phone they hate so much...
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rorydaredkign said:
I love those pictures
But I have to wonder why people keep making threads about the phone they hate so much...
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Because iPhone fanbois love it so much and it can't do any wrong in thier eyes.
Dave
This is funny stuff but have already seen it already months ago. I like the macbook air one (have not seen it yet)
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I like the macbook air one (have not seen it yet)
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Me too. It's stated to have a damn good (not a plain TFT film) screen - dunno if it's an IPS one.
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Because iPhone fanbois love it so much and it can't do any wrong in thier eyes.
Dave
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Yes, the Apple fan boi's are an annoying bunch...but how many WM users here are just as fanatical? Just try and threaten the superiority of WM and watch the flaming begin. I'll probably get beat up and get my lunch money taken away just for mentioning this.
I have both. I'm an OS Agnostic. But many, many are not...
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ROFL!! (the damn thing tells me to write atleast 10 chars)
I HATE APPLE!
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haha I'm with you there!
on another one of my forum's one user said:
"I'm sorry. iPhones < WinMo"
then another user replies:
"LMAO I beg to differ!!!
1.Iphone is the top selling smartphone of 08
2. 3rd Party Apps
3.most advanced touchscreen yet invented and implemented into a phone
Those are only a few reasons that they are better!
Lets hear about winmo?"
lol it's funny when people think so highly of the iphone.
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MOVE ASIDE GUYS LET ME DO THE REVIEW
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LOL!!!!
It´s more than hilarious!!! hahaha!
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lol it's funny when people think so highly of the iphone.
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well, actually, at least for 1, Web browsing 2, gaming, the iPhone is (way) better than WinMo... (I know both platforms extremely well before you ask me.. )
Menneisyys said:
well, actually, at least for 1, Web browsing 2, gaming, the iPhone is (way) better than WinMo... (I know both platforms extremely well before you ask me.. )
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It's been how many years since the release of the HTC tornado? 3 or 4 years? Back when I had my sda.. when I pictured 3 or 4 years into the future I expected much better gaming. I pictured Full speed GBA, maybe even PS1. The performance has not improved in 3 or 4 years now! it's goten worse! I think the only reason why the iphone is better is because HTC is making it look good. If HTC would have continued to progress in performance we'd probably be matched or better than the iphone.
That's just my take on it lol.
While the WM platform is more oriented towards the business department, the iPhoney is more oriented towards the young, "hip" generation. I personally say the iPhone is good at what it doesn, and if somehow, someone, hacked it and got tf3d and winmo apps running on it, I'm sold. The OS is just built so muc hbetter. But it bugs me that people want the iPhoney interface >.> I mean it's just a fancy application launcher with big round shiny buttons. What's so cool about that?
i remember a song that sing this way
[the "apple" tree that grew for u and me. I watch the "apples" falling one-by-one.]
john lennon is the first to test apple products but also the first to see it fall.
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While the WM platform is more oriented towards the business department, the iPhoney is more oriented towards the young, "hip" generation. I personally say the iPhone is good at what it doesn, and if somehow, someone, hacked it and got tf3d and winmo apps running on it, I'm sold. The OS is just built so muc hbetter. But it bugs me that people want the iPhoney interface >.> I mean it's just a fancy application launcher with big round shiny buttons. What's so cool about that?
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It's been how many years since the release of the HTC tornado? 3 or 4 years? Back when I had my sda.. when I pictured 3 or 4 years into the future I expected much better gaming. I pictured Full speed GBA, maybe even PS1. The performance has not improved in 3 or 4 years now! it's goten worse! I think the only reason why the iphone is better is because HTC is making it look good. If HTC would have continued to progress in performance we'd probably be matched or better than the iphone.
That's just my take on it lol.
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Absolutely agreed. the WinMo platform has had GREAT gaming potential since 2004 (the intel 2700g-based x50v). Too bad Microsoft / HTC didn't bother making the platform a viable gaming platform for games developers. This is why iPhone has blown out of the water the entire WM platform when it comes to gaming.
Well let me throw my 2-3 pence in.....
I recently purchased a iPhoney for my oldest son. And one of the rules of him having it is daddy gets to play with it....... to evaluate it of course. My original assessment of the phone from when it first came out hasn't changed. Neither platform (iPhone or WM) is better than the other. The iPhone is far better at being a "toy" and WM is far better at being a "tool". Whose hands you put either phone in determines which one will be better than the other. In my hands (where I need my phone to work like a laptop) an iPhone may be fun to play with, but it just won't cut it in the functionality I need on a daily bases. Put a WM phone in my son's or wife's hands (where all they care about is ease of use, email/texting, music/video, web surfing, games) it is far too complicated for them to ever make full use of the phone.
No doubt the iPhone is one kick ass phone for what it was designed to do. And that is to fulfill the wants of the simple minded masses with the before mentioned functions. The iPhone has the edge in those categories. Some of the things I need in a phone and the iPhone lacks:
1. No bluetooth A2DP
2. No way to explore files
3. No seperate keyboard
4. No native support for Office docs
5. No native way to shoot video
6. No MMS
7. No tethering
8. No USB memory simulation
9. No copy/paste
10. No multi tasking of apps
11. No removable battery
12. No replaceable memory card
I'm with some of the rest of you guys when it comes to iPhone fan bois/gurlz. They completely bought in to Job's "revolutionary" hype so much it makes me gag. Of course there are your WM fanners, but they are not so much the "sheeple" like the Apple lovers.
Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S. which did not really change since 1999 !!! (My first Windows Mobile device was in 1999). And I'm not patient enough to wait for Windows Mobile 7.
So I decided to sell my Kaiser and buy an iPhone. I know I'm gonna loose a few things by using the iPhone compared to Windows Mobile, but the iPhone is a lot more "finished". I'm tired of freezes, lags, using the stylus for anything I do, etc ...
So I would like to thank all of you for the help you gave me for many years now ! This forum is great, xda developers are fantastics. This is something I'm gonna miss on the iPhone.
Bye guys !
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Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S. which did not really change since 1999 !!! (My first Windows Mobile device was in 1999). And I'm not patient enough to wait for Windows Mobile 7.
So I decided to sell my Kaiser and buy an iPhone. I know I'm gonna loose a few things by using the iPhone compared to Windows Mobile, but the iPhone is a lot more "finished". I'm tired of freezes, lags, using the stylus for anything I do, etc ...
So I would like to thank all of you for the help you gave me for many years now ! This forum is great, xda developers are fantastics. This is something I'm gonna miss on the iPhone.
Bye guys !
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Out of the frying pan into the fire
My wife has an iPhone, your going to need this
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1274
i just went from iphone to kaiser. i used to have a hermes. and i actually started to miss that phone. the iphone is great. but it lacks many features. the keyboard is one thing your going to need to get used to. it took me a while. but enjoy the iphone. if u need anyhelp with it or figuring stuff out. shoot me a pm.
tbh i am more than willing to sell or trade my tilt for an 8 gb iphone. my tilt has never been dropped and has no liquid damage or any other damage what so ever. if ur interested in either a trade for and 8gb iphone 3g or interested in buying pm me an we will work out a deal.
but you still had to come by to justify your purchase? Whatever floats your boat I suppose. I have a wizard with a dutty's rom, kaiser with HDIII, 3G iphone, original iphone, and just picked up a US spec diamond in HK with stock rom still. For some strange reason I always fall back to a WinMo device. Sucks to have to hack it to tether, a2dp? lol, usefull freeware apps? lol, and it locks up more than my WinMo phones. The original iphone truly sucked, and while the 3g was a step in the right direction it still blows. My diamond with resco keyboard, tomtom, and a few other choice apps is closest I've had to perfection from a phone. Oh well, enjoy your iflop.
Windows Mobile blows no matter what you do to it. My old iPhone and particularly my current BB Bold OS are much more complete, intuitive, FAST, and more user friendly.
Microsoft needs to pull their heads our of their asses if they wish to compete in this market.
No single piece of gadgetry that I have owned pissed me off as much as my tilt.
You wont regret a single second of Windows Mobile
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i just went from iphone to kaiser. i used to have a hermes. and i actually started to miss that phone. the iphone is great. but it lacks many features. the keyboard is one thing your going to need to get used to. it took me a while. but enjoy the iphone. if u need anyhelp with it or figuring stuff out. shoot me a pm.
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The keyboard is one thing I was worried about. But I'm using the resco keyboard (iphone style), and I really like it. I have problems with the hardware keyboard of the Kaiser : double press issue, the space bar which poduce a "double-click sound", etc ... I have some difficulties to press keys fast with this keyboard. A friend of mine shown me how fast he uses the software keyboard of the iPhone (and not in landscape mode !) : he goes faster than me with my hardware keyboard...
I know I'm gonna miss many features of Windows Mobile, but it's now about 1 month I'm thinking of the iPhone, and I know what I'll miss and what I'll find.
I use windows mobile devices since "Windows CE 3.0", and until now I always wanted to stay in this world. But unfortunatly Microsoft understood too late that Windows Mobile needs a revolution, Windows Mobile 7 is announced for 2010, I can't wait so long ...
HTC did what they can to improve Windows Mobile (HTC Home, the cube, Manilla, etc ...) but behind this old style Windows Mobile is still there !
HTC also disapointed me about the hardwares : no drivers issue for the Kaiser (and I don't care about the 3D drivers, I wanted HTC to put the 2D drivers, which would make the device a lot faster in every kind of usage, including reading videos), my Kaiser is definitly too slow. I tried all the tweaks, ROM changing, etc..., but my Kaiser is still slower than my old Qtek S200... I'm also disapointed that the problem (lack of drivers) is quite still there with the touch HD ... So I definitly want to stop buying HTC devices.
So tired of HTC, tired of Microsoft : hello Apple ...
And I'll see if I can deal with the missing features of the iPhone, but I'll do my best to make my requirements fit the iPhone.
Again, thank you so much for the help you provided me for many years, thanks a lot also to the developers who made possible what HTC could not (3D drivers for exemple, even if I don't use it).
I wish you all the best for 2009.
Bye
i have found times where my iphone is actually not fast enough to keep up with the way i text/type. and just a few things you should know, the camera is horrible (no video recording, no zoom, no effects) your text is like a chat, so no Forwarding, re sending, or MMS. the only way to get a pic message is to receive it in your email. same way to send them, email only. only 1 program can be ran at a time. and the #1 thing that pissed me off was that there is no tethering via bluetooth. dont get me wrong, i loved my iphone when i got rid of my hermes. i thought it was the best thing ever, but after having it for a little over a year now. its hell. since im holding onto my iphone till my kaiser comes. ill have to see what the kaiser is all about and if i like it or not before i actually start thinking about selling my iphone.. i already got 3 PMs about people wanting it.
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Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S.
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Oh man, didn't you see the latest iPhone review?
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Oh man, didn't you see the latest iPhone review?
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rofl! thats great
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don't mind me, need 10 original characters.
Jc61990 said:
i have found times where my iphone is actually not fast enough to keep up with the way i text/type. and just a few things you should know, the camera is horrible (no video recording, no zoom, no effects) your text is like a chat, so no Forwarding, re sending, or MMS. the only way to get a pic message is to receive it in your email. same way to send them, email only. only 1 program can be ran at a time. and the #1 thing that pissed me off was that there is no tethering via bluetooth. dont get me wrong, i loved my iphone when i got rid of my hermes. i thought it was the best thing ever, but after having it for a little over a year now. its hell. since im holding onto my iphone till my kaiser comes. ill have to see what the kaiser is all about and if i like it or not before i actually start thinking about selling my iphone.. i already got 3 PMs about people wanting it.
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About the camera, if you jailbreak your iPhone, then the zoom and video recording appear ... The camera quality of the iPhone may be bad, but don't tell me that it is worse than the one of the Kaiser because I would not believe you ...
Same thing to run multiple programs at the same time : if your iPhone is Jailbroken, then you can install an app which does it very well.
Apple also said it will come with the firmware 2.3.
About the fact that you can't add a memory card, I don't care ! 16 GB is a lot more than what I need. Today I'm only using 5 GB on my Kaiser, and I have many videocasts on it (hundreeds !).
Again, as I said, I know I'll be missing things from Windows Mobile, but I took 1 month to take my decision and I really know what's positive and negative in the iPhone. And I'll do my best no to go back to Windows Mobile as this old O.S. looks like jurassic today !
dizzy33 said:
About the camera, if you jailbreak your iPhone, then the zoom and video recording appear ... The camera quality of the iPhone may be bad, but don't tell me that it is worse than the one of the Kaiser because I would not believe you ...
Same thing to run multiple programs at the same time : if your iPhone is Jailbroken, then you can install an app which does it very well.
Apple also said it will come with the firmware 2.3.
About the fact that you can't add a memory card, I don't care ! 16 GB is a lot more than what I need. Today I'm only using 5 GB on my Kaiser, and I have many videocasts on it (hundreeds !).
Again, as I said, I know I'll be missing things from Windows Mobile, but I took 1 month to take my decision and I really know what's positive and negative in the iPhone. And I'll do my best no to go back to Windows Mobile as this old O.S. looks like jurassic today !
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zoom and video don't appear on jailbreak u still need to install 2 separate apps for that.
as for camera quality
Photo taken with my old hermes: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/jc61990/IMAGE_022.jpg
Photo Taken with iphone: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/jc61990/Car/IMG_0376.jpg (had to downsize resolution to increase the quality)
haha. thanks guys. think i just found myself a new background pic.
well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert
kidnamedAlbert said:
well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert
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Albert, you helped me out and I learned alot from you! You will be missed, promise to stop by and say hello now and then! I wish you the best!
Cal
Thanks for all your hard work, skinning and mostly for your orginizational skills in keeping the skins thread running productively and peacefully ( such that it was ). We will miss you and look forward to your return. And you will.
My wife has an iphone that I fool with from time to time, Steve Jobs and Apple will crush the inspiration and creativity out of you in no time. Entertainment aside, unlike WM , the iphone is done Apple's way or not at all.
Good Luck, Denco
thanks for the excellent skins, etc.! Best of luck with your new toy...
Blah! NOOO! Read this first! By Steve Davis of ppcmobility. Btw, I'm 16 too and I find out that the Fuze is still much better than my friends' iPhones.
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
Time for my list. I’ll start backwards… well in order… at 10. Well.... 9 is good for iphone users
10. iPhone(Apple) users. Don’t get me wrong. I like people, but iPhone people and Apple people are their own breed. They always think that Macs are the best, Apple is the best company ever and the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread. They will push the iPhone on you until you hate everything Apple. This includes you Walt Mossberg. Apparently for the price you get one iPhone and a few pounds of smug to carry around with you. When the iPhone 3G came out I had to keep checking my phone to make sure I really did have 3G for years because the way it was advertised I was certain they were releasing something so new to the market I couldn’t have had it already.
9. Applications made free for iPhones. I can go over a lot of applications that come out for iPhone that are free and good, but were out for Windows mobile for years beforehand and were not free. Shazam is out on Android and iPhone for free. They came out with a program called “TagIt” in 2006, but that has disappeared and they only have the service for iPhone and Android or for people in the UK(no offense, US gets stuff first 9 times out of 10). Pandora! Free for iPhone and its BIG NEWS, but its been out for Windows Mobile for a while, but you had to pay, which is not cool. I’m sure there are more out there, but I cant think of them right now. Those are the 2 big ones.
8. Cut and Paste. BGR is right, this is a big problem. Just because the Macs dont have mice with 2 buttons doesn’t mean you need to cripple your iPhone to not be able to copy and paste! (I know you can right click NOW but that’s kind of new).
7. 1 word, Flash. Skyfire has recently given Windows mobile users the benefit of Flash websites. I’d expect the best phone in the world to do the same. Flash mobile has been out for a while, but what sites recognize flash lite 3.1 or mobile 7? And Safari is constantly touted as the best browser. The numbers are simple - SkyFire loads WebPages much faster than Safari plus you get the real internet (yeah, with Flash, etc). Oh and congrats iPhone you finally have more choices.
6. Non-Replaceable battery. Now sure, the iPhone battery will last FOREVER, but what if it doesn’t? What if I want more than the 5 hours of 3G talk time Apple specs out? What if i want a high-capacity battery without cracking it open or putting a strange case on it? Given most phones will get thicker with a bigger battery, but you don’t have to void your warranty or use a case you don’t want to use. This really goes to the core of how Apple makes money. The original Mac cases could not be opened so you would be forced to buy a new computer and there was no ‘upgrading’. The iPods also have a non-replaceable battery. The reason is simple - when the battery dies this forces you to buy the newest version and since everyone loves Apple they shell out more money ever year for a slight upgrade. This may also explain why other items on this list are here; it gives Apple a reason to release iPhone v3. And don’t even get me started on the proprietary plug instead of mini-USB which is now becoming standard for PDA’s
5. Multitasking. There is some misconception about this and theiPhoneBlog has a good write-up about it and the deal is that Apple only allows its own apps(mail, phone, etc) to multitask. 3rd party apps cant. I’ll get into that in #4.
4. Install whatever i want without jailbreak. So with Windows Mobile, not only can i edit the registry, but I can install WHATEVER I WANT without jailbreaking my phone and potentially bricking it. I find it hard to believe that they can demand the price they do and lock your device entirely and not get heat for it. If Windows did the same thing they would get destroyed for it.
3a. The Screen. I hate hearing that the iPhone has such a beautiful screen. Guess what? I can see pixels. All of them. If I pick up my Fuze I don’t see any thanks to the glory that is VGA. I’m sure Apple will release a VGA screen and then I’ll hear all of the media hype about how it’s the sharpest screen ever even though we all know the Touch HD has the same dimensions with a higher resolution.
3b. The User Interface. The user interface of the iPhone is merely an application launcher and if you want more than that or a different look then Apple will tell you to look elsewhere or wait for their next latest and greatest release. It is literally nothing more than a page of shortcuts and people love the simplicity and entire lack of actual interface. And the intentional minimalist look for the iPhone (with a single hard button) also breeds this inefficiency. If you’re in an application and want to use the phone there’s no ‘phone’ button. You have to go home then launch the phone.
2. Customization of icons/themes/skins/BACKGROUND again without jailbreak. Just about every phone on XDA has a thread for “post your today screen”. For the iPhone, those forums need to be in the jailbreak sections. How hard would it be to make it standard to be able to have custom icons and skins? And changing the background was one of the bigger gripes I had when looking for a phone. It may not sound like much, but I want to do what I want to do. Why do I need to conform to what Apple wants? The name iPhone is a misnomer. It should be Steve’s Phone because he found some settings he likes and told you to like them too
1. MMS. Why cant i sent a MMS to my friends who have iPhones? When I ask them, they just say “email it to me”. Well I don’t want to. I can MMS pictures to my other friends, I’m not going to make an exception for my iPhone friends. You CAN get a MMS app for the iPhone, but you need to again Jailbreak it and then you’re good to go.
These reasons alone weren’t why I got the Fuze, but they did help in the long run. Hopefully you weren’t swayed by the hype and advertising like everyone else. What’s #1 on your list?
And if you are interested in what an iPhone can do when you jailbreak it, check out this link wouldn’t it be nice if it could do some of that right out of the box? Like a Windows Mobile phone?
Let the bashing begin…
-SCDavis
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Kraize said:
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
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It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...
Hey, props to knA , lets not let this turn into another iPhone sucks thread.
Thanks again kid
rhov23 said:
It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...
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aaaaaaaaamen
Good luck with your new device
Hope in the future you come back!
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hahah that is rich.
Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone
Good luck to you. You'll be missed
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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I know what u mean, I'm a skinner myself . SKIN THEM ALIVE!
kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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What's the matter with the HTC Touch HD? Even PDAEssentials, which normally worships the iPhone, admitted recently that the HTC Touch HD won in their iPhone-HD-X1-Storm head-to-head.
rorydaredkign said:
Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone
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Hahahahahahaha...*draws breath*...hahahahaha...
Oh wait - I got that stupid smudge of doom and massive realignment problem on my Touch.
Touchphones are clearly still in their early days.
well, i have my iphone 3g for about 4 months now, while most of the glorious why iphone is not good list does not apply to me... with the exception of flash and UI, i am pretty happy with it. iphone comes with a lot of features i dont need to hunt down in WM, and a lot of interesting apps after it is jailbroke (seriously, if you can handle a WM, jailbreaking iphone should be a no-brainer process). i can safely say i probably wont get another WM device unless WM7 is significantly better than WM6.1, but i definitely wont get the next iphone... if theres a next one... back to symbian i guess...