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iPhone vs TyTN II....Startling results!!!

A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your display looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out how my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to show me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the drool off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires ...then CLICK...perfect picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!

MACkjam said:
A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your dispay looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out hoe my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to sow me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the droll off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires p...then CLICK...perfec picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!
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There is nothing better then a good relationship with your colleagues.

i will say that the kaiser is a great phone but it does have its somehwat really annoying and extremely slow moments
never had an iphone but from what i have played with it is really fast at loading apps

Did you also mention that you can Sim unlock it to any network and change the firmware .. and the thing still works ... even better than before.

and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)

Didnt see a demo for video.

beta_boy said:
and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)
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LOL...Never. Firstly most iPhones are locked. To unlock them is very tricky. That means you cannot just install 3rd party software.
Even if you are able to use Coreplayer on the iPhone, Mine is perfect...so I don't think that I will be drooling. hehehehe.
I will maybe drool over the new Xperia SE X1!!!! My wife is waiting for them to launch here in South Africa, then she is getting one as she is a huge SE fan, having a W900i now. She also uses my old KJam.

beta_boy said:
and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)
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Why don't WM deserve a good interface? I have paid for Coreplayer,and I was severely disappointed in the UI. Its confusing, and very finger-unfriendly. If there was a trail I would probably not have ended up buying it.
Why don't you do exactly the same UI on the WM devices?
Surur

That _IS_ the new CorePlayer Mobile UI being demo'd (internally called v2) for all our mobile OS's. It is scheduled for release in a later 1.3.x release as we are still adding alot of functionality to it. But its 10x more usable then the current UI.

beta_boy said:
That _IS_ the new CorePlayer Mobile UI being demo'd (internally called v2) for all our mobile OS's. It is scheduled for release in a later 1.3.x release as we are still adding alot of functionality to it. But its 10x more usable then the current UI.
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Cool!!
Surur

Thats an old UI as well (from XMAS) we have come along way since then... I'd post screen caps but I don't want to give it all away ;-)

MACkjam said:
A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your display looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out how my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to show me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the drool off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires ...then CLICK...perfect picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!
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Uhm, you must be smoking crack.
1. The iPhone's display is both crisper (dots per inch and resolution) and larger. It's larger with more pixel density at the same time.
Additionally, the iPhone has proper video drivers (omgwtf!!). You'd have to be on crack to say the Kaiser is better at this.
2. The iPhone has a faster processor, faster ram chips, faster flash chips, and a faster video card.
3. The iPhone has a better touch interface. One, it has a capacitive touch screen, and two it was designed from the ground up with finger/touch in mind. All of the current Windows Mobile options (largely from HTC) are retrofitted.
4. The camera, ok, well this is one area you're right. The iPhone's camera is pitiful and the Kaiser's rocks. The iPhone's is a cheap little piece of crap 2 megapixel camera with no autofocus. Lame.
5. iPhone 2.0 will have Exchange ActiveSync in June. It currently works very well on the leaked betas.
6. The next iteration of the iPhone in June will most probably include a 32gb model, as well. And the iPhone uses fast flash chips.
7. The iPhone is almost half as thin as the Kaiser
8. The iPhone has a much better web browser.
9. If this story is actually true, and your colleague was really "visibly shaken", I suggest you two go out and ride a bike, enjoy the sun, and get laid.
If you're going to crack on the iPhone, crack on it for legitimate (and true) reasons, such as not having GPS functionality, a ****ty on-screen keyboard, having a ****ty camera, being a closed platform, not 3G (yet), having crappy sync support (no notes, tasks, etc), not having an analog to the awesome Live Search software, no mobile office apps, etc.
The iPhone shines at what it does, and the Kaiser can't compare in its arena. The Kaiser shines at what it does (and is overall more useful imho), and the iPhone can't compare in its arena.
I see them targeted at different markets, currently. That may change a little with the iPhone 2.0, but for now they're apples and oranges (pun intended). Love each for their strengths, but don't just make **** up.

The only thing my iphone buddies have on me is a better web browser. That's IT.

Apples and Oranges.
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You Guys are comparing two different Areas. The Kaiser is enthusiasts and business users, like IT and Smart Management. While the iPhone is for trendy personal use and it's kind of being shoe-horned into Business use. Though clearly not so well. Office Mobile v. umm...... Food Network Recipes! Is just one example. Yes, yes the iPhone is going to be Exchange Sync-able but still.
Also, important to note. I've been able to make an iPhone lock up a bunch of times. I guess I'm too used to my Kaiser.

iPhone this, Tilt that!
Unlike most iPhone users that I have seen or heard, I don't go around bragging about how special my Tilt is and flashing it at every passerby! So I guess when I go and buy a Echo Friendly Hybrid SUV, I'll add the iPhone to complete my all around smugness attitude. We all have our opinions about this and this one is mine......

mchapman007 said:
Unlike most iPhone users that I have seen or heard, I don't go around bragging about how special my Tilt is and flashing it at every passerby! So I guess when I go and buy a Echo Friendly Hybrid SUV, I'll add the iPhone to complete my all around smugness attitude. We all have our opinions about this and this one is mine......
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Thats true. I don't try and Ace people with my Tilt. And the Hybrid owners offset their SMOG savings by SMUG emissions.

JimmyMcGee said:
Thats true. I don't try and Ace people with my Tilt. And the Hybrid owners offset their SMOG savings by SMUG emissions.
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The iPhone, for better or worse, is a wow kind of device because it presents a bunch of new concepts in a production mobile phone. My non-techy relatives were really wowed by Coverflow scrolling and all the GUI candy, for example.
Perhaps it's because the Tilt isn't really a wow kind of device. Rather, it just functions really well at what it does. Ok ok, the GPS functionality and camera really wowed me
You can see the iPhone's influence in a lot of areas of the Windows Mobile area. It seems like every ROM ricer is trying to insert iPhone-like software and hacks into their OS. Personally, I'm not a fan of making WM more like the iPhone.
Apples and Oranges.

godfa7h3r said:
The only thing my iphone buddies have on me is a better web browser. That's IT.
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Use the leak Opera Mobile 9.5 cab, and they wont even have that.
Surur

perdurabo2 said:
The iPhone, for better or worse, is a wow kind of device because it presents a bunch of new concepts in a production mobile phone. My non-techy relatives were really wowed by Coverflow scrolling and all the GUI candy, for example.
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I don't exactly agree with this. This stuff existed before the iPhone, just like there were MP3 Players before the iPod.
perdurabo2 said:
Perhaps it's because the Tilt isn't really a wow kind of device. Rather, it just functions really well at what it does. Ok ok, the GPS functionality and camera really wowed me
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Wow or Not. I wow iPhone users when I slide out the keyboard to text.
perdurabo2 said:
You can see the iPhone's influence in a lot of areas of the Windows Mobile area. It seems like every ROM ricer is trying to insert iPhone-like software and hacks into their OS. Personally, I'm not a fan of making WM more like the iPhone.
Apples and Oranges.
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One thing Apple does get right is design and "eye-candy" and since everyone is hypnotized by it, why not pretty up WM devices?

The iPhone is a slick device, I gotta give it that. However it just has way too many limitations. Here are things my Cruise has over the iPhone
-3 megapixel camera that actually takes video
-2nd camera for video calls
-stereo bluetooth
-internal GPS chip
-3G
-removable battery / removable storage
there are tons of other little things here and there such as copy paste, XDA forums, FM radio (Cruise only I think), exchange sync, blackberry connect (only on Kaiser can't get this to work on Cruise) etc.
There are also combinations of things, such as 3G with bluetooth, which allows you to tether your laptop with bluetooth and use a fast 3G network. This is huge, I tested 3G speeds vs an iPhone the other day, iPhone got about 114kbits/sec, I had about 873kbits/sec, almost 8 times the speed. Also as a previous poster said, Opera 9.5 is a great browser even though it's still in beta.
In the end everyone will get the device that works for them or makes them happy. The fact of the matter is the WM6/HTC combo is not for most users, the way the iPhone is. That's why the iPhone has massive appeal and is proving it through sales. It might not be that great of a device, but it is generally good and slick enough that people buy it. Meanwhile most of us have had to hack the registry & flash ROMs, stuff I don't expect the mainstream population to do. Furthermore the iPhone has been innovative in the sense that it brought several features that existed in other phones and put them together. Having an accelerometer in the phone is not a new thing, a phone that plays music is not a new thing but they packaged it all well together. The interface to the iPhone is intuitive, unlike a WM device. I fault Microsoft for a lot of this. A company that I feel has lost it's edge in innovation in many areas of their business. PIE is a POS. that thing looks so outdated. WM6 itself is outdated looking. Anyways at least they got the message and want to fix that in WM7 and beyond. About time, but it took something like an iPhone to wake them up.

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...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
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Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.

AllTheWay said:
...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.
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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3

Haha Yeah guys its just a more basic phone for her. She doesnt need some crazy pphone that does as much as the Kaiser. She just needs a phone to talk and text one. She loved her iPhone before and was just getting the hang of things when I got rid of it and got her the Kaiser haha. But she would like to go back now anyways. To each their own guys. Its all personal preference.

well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.

Fared said:
well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.
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I completely agree with you up until 'you can't have both'. Why not? I completely believe that this is where Windows Mobile falls flat on it's face. I would expect that the vast majority of iPhones sold are due to it's looks (I know that's the only factor drawing me towards wanting one). I would therefore argue that had the Windows Mobile interface looked as nice if not nicer then they would obviously be much more appealing, to both the 'fashion' buyers, and to the kind of people that use this forum as it would encompass both functionality, the ability to be modded, and aesthetics...and the iPhone would become obsolete! So come on WM...employ some f'ing designers!! It's a no-brainer!

altho i wouldnt have one, iphone is much thinner, lighter ..
most ppl just dont do the same or expect the same from their device as we do.
i know many guys who sold their tilts for exactly the reasons above..
my tilt is bigger and heavier than my 8y/o nokia .. its an everyday heavy lug when many times i just need a simple phone and occasional web connection..
if i could, or it made any sense, i would have 2 phones.. light and industrial strength
wife has really light thin phone and a nokia n800 in her purse.
driving around, she needs web access. nokia has fast and far wifi recognition..
at least 40% of networks are open and not pw protected..
she taps in real quick, does her business and drives off..
it worx really well

Iphone not so bad
I went from an 8525 > iphone > Tilt.
Still got the iphone. After it's jailbreaked and installer is installed, you can customize it and get just about any program you want on it. It's got style, and the transitions are smooth.
I like WM better, but for its hard to down the iphone, because it's a cool and fast phone.

one major reason i bought my tilt was b/c of the GPS... TomTom is so cool..
it saved me from having to own another gadget..

The iphone with installer does have a load of programs, but what annoys me is that most of those are just eye candy rather than actually useful apps or hacks like we have under WM... Of course the interface smoothness, speed and overall comfort makes it awesome for things like web surfing, but there's so much more functionality on a Kaiser that even if I like the iphone concept, when thinking rationally I would only use it for web and to look at it.. no possible justification to have both
I too to love the Kaiser for versatility. It has managed to include all the devices I was using, last one being the GPS that was external before and that I of course never had with me when I needed it...

Does not even the new 3G iPhone do picture msgs?

Man... maybe I'm crazy but all these people are talking about the iphone's speed and reliability.. In my personal experience (a lot, I live in trendy hollywood) I hear more people saying "I HATE this piece of ****!!" more than anything else about the iphone. Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape. So from my personal experience.. it would seem that the "reliability" of the iphone is all how it was marketed, not how it actually performs.

I'm tired of my HTC Magnum. I would consider an iPhoney in trade, just to tinker with something different.

Hey I have 1st gen iPhone in very good condition unlocked. where you located? pm me asap!

Not to mention new iPhone 3G's battery is a disaster, wont last as long as even tilt...
So you could show up at an awesome party and try to use your iBeer to impress your mates, and only to find out your beloved iPhone 3G has died on you...

ericmcintire said:
Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape.
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I'm pretty sure those "reliability issues" are like always caused by 3rd-party programs. iPhone users (at least those I know) often have 4-5 pages of useless but funny/good for boasting programs installed, so it's not surprising one could be buggy and cause problems.
One of my friends once had an issue where his iphone wouldn't even hold a day on battery anymore. Turned out it was a program that was still eating the CPU even on standby. Uninstalled and it was fine. He never had speed issues but it can be just the same.
The same is valid on the Kaiser and other WM devices too... I had a program (A2DPToggle) that would do the same, phone never went into standby anymore as soon as the today plugin was active...
Not even talking of the PC... It's just the same on any platform. Incompatibilities/badly designed programs will always be around.

rzanology said:
silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3
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I'm a HUGE tilt/ kaiser fan, and still don't understand what you're talking about. The iphone doesn't have poor call quality, it has great call quality. I've used one myself, and have tons of friends that have the iphone. Horrible messaging? No... it works great actually, it just lacks MMS (which should be comings hortly in an update). Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.

nimda0 said:
Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.
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Apples and oranges here. While the dialer and camera may not be up to par to most folks, the functionality is already there.
Lacking MMS is a totally different issue.

Your thread, like every other time an iPhone and a Windows phone are mentioned together, has been hijacked. It is a fact that both camps have very strong emotions and a "my phone is the only choice" attitude. This thread is not the place for that discussion. Let's get back to the purpose of the OP.
Does anyone wanna trade an iPhone for this guys Tilt?

Anyone have a new one they would trade?

How to 'WOW' a Windows Mobile User?

Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...

ehr... How about you try installing that Manilla-thingy?
Wow effect kinda depends on what you're used to..
Hope you find your 'WOW!' ...and let us all know ;-) Good luck!

SlyDogJeff77 said:
Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...
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i run HARET and everyone goes WOW!

here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.

manilla 2d
andriod
a little program called basils smser is alot of fun, its a bomber flooder, type what message you want to send and how many times you want to send it. it also has practical uses such as voting for american idol haha i got just over 20 thousand votes in for the last finale
another program called oist allows you to remotely control your phone through txt messages
SKYFIRE! the skyfire revolution my friend is a must
the panoramic camera function is fun to play with
also their is a program that you take a picture of a buisnes card and it automatically picks everything up and fills in all the information.....
a prgram that acts as a remote for your tv.....
their is alot of stuff out their really..... with windows mobile if you can imagine it there is just about a program to do it

you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!

_RMB_ said:
you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!
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dyetheskin said:
here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.
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My list is shorter:
when I got my first WM 2003 SE PocketPC for Phone Edition (or whatever that horrible name was) I expected and waited for BSOD for about a week until I finally shook my head in disbelief it didn't happen
And I'm with WinMo since - that's my one and only WOW...
@ OP
Don't be naive. It's a Windoze mini computer with a phone. The worst existing Operating System on the market, perhaps ever in the computing history. Isn't it a "WOW!" already? It's a miracle in itself that it works
And as previous poster said - that's also exactly why we all use it, don't we? To have possibility to hack, crack, f*ck and whatever else we can with it. Same as with our big computers. We use linux for daily stuff (or a Mac at worst, if youre into eyecandy limited crap), and Windozes for the apps that are handy and not avail. there. Its exactly the same with our small computers, aka PPC or Smartphones.
So, honestly, if youre into WinMo phones for some "kewl" "wow factor", youre in the wrong place, and with wrong device in your hand.
I say go get an iCrap 3G and start pleasuring it (/edit: I mean fingering it, like all those Apple nuts do) and start showing off if you're into "wow" instead of what you can do with it or use it for , and of course if you're not the last on the block to have that crappy "i" phone that consists entirely of "kewl" look but no substance at all ;-) ... because seriously, as far as "kewl factor" goes, no one beats Apple (in both uselessness and "wow" factor in the same time) and current "best looking UI" on WinMo - Manila - (notice I didn't say it is best at all, just best looking) is still not as cool as iPoo's UI (because it can NOT be - can you even imagine using i.e. Word or Excel with just touch screen and no stylus? Not to mention lack of copy'n'paste ROTFL)
And don't count on Android. As linux-based OS, it will never be as popular as cranky WinMo - because most people use Windozes and ppl stick with what they know usually. I'm sure it will be best and most stable OS out of all mobile platforms, yet it won't be more popular in the mobile world than linux is among PC users (I wish I'm wrong...)
If anything - maybe one day that old Symbian, if it still have some juice left in it, may surprise us one day with stable and "WOW'y" OS...
Just my 0.02
oh and yeah, why is it in development? Im not even sure it even fits "general", it should have been in iPhone section... oh yeah <smack myself in the head> thankfully we don't have any iPoo section

I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "

cproaudio yesterday.

my wow
winmobile torrent but i would like to find a program that will convert video files on the kaiser directly without the need for a comp.

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I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "
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I always knew that the first 'K' in KITT stood for Kaiser...

From Kaiser to iPhone : thanks to all of you !

Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S. which did not really change since 1999 !!! (My first Windows Mobile device was in 1999). And I'm not patient enough to wait for Windows Mobile 7.
So I decided to sell my Kaiser and buy an iPhone. I know I'm gonna loose a few things by using the iPhone compared to Windows Mobile, but the iPhone is a lot more "finished". I'm tired of freezes, lags, using the stylus for anything I do, etc ...
So I would like to thank all of you for the help you gave me for many years now ! This forum is great, xda developers are fantastics. This is something I'm gonna miss on the iPhone.
Bye guys !

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Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S. which did not really change since 1999 !!! (My first Windows Mobile device was in 1999). And I'm not patient enough to wait for Windows Mobile 7.
So I decided to sell my Kaiser and buy an iPhone. I know I'm gonna loose a few things by using the iPhone compared to Windows Mobile, but the iPhone is a lot more "finished". I'm tired of freezes, lags, using the stylus for anything I do, etc ...
So I would like to thank all of you for the help you gave me for many years now ! This forum is great, xda developers are fantastics. This is something I'm gonna miss on the iPhone.
Bye guys !
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Out of the frying pan into the fire
My wife has an iPhone, your going to need this
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1274

i just went from iphone to kaiser. i used to have a hermes. and i actually started to miss that phone. the iphone is great. but it lacks many features. the keyboard is one thing your going to need to get used to. it took me a while. but enjoy the iphone. if u need anyhelp with it or figuring stuff out. shoot me a pm.

tbh i am more than willing to sell or trade my tilt for an 8 gb iphone. my tilt has never been dropped and has no liquid damage or any other damage what so ever. if ur interested in either a trade for and 8gb iphone 3g or interested in buying pm me an we will work out a deal.

but you still had to come by to justify your purchase? Whatever floats your boat I suppose. I have a wizard with a dutty's rom, kaiser with HDIII, 3G iphone, original iphone, and just picked up a US spec diamond in HK with stock rom still. For some strange reason I always fall back to a WinMo device. Sucks to have to hack it to tether, a2dp? lol, usefull freeware apps? lol, and it locks up more than my WinMo phones. The original iphone truly sucked, and while the 3g was a step in the right direction it still blows. My diamond with resco keyboard, tomtom, and a few other choice apps is closest I've had to perfection from a phone. Oh well, enjoy your iflop.

Windows Mobile blows no matter what you do to it. My old iPhone and particularly my current BB Bold OS are much more complete, intuitive, FAST, and more user friendly.
Microsoft needs to pull their heads our of their asses if they wish to compete in this market.
No single piece of gadgetry that I have owned pissed me off as much as my tilt.
You wont regret a single second of Windows Mobile

Jc61990 said:
i just went from iphone to kaiser. i used to have a hermes. and i actually started to miss that phone. the iphone is great. but it lacks many features. the keyboard is one thing your going to need to get used to. it took me a while. but enjoy the iphone. if u need anyhelp with it or figuring stuff out. shoot me a pm.
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The keyboard is one thing I was worried about. But I'm using the resco keyboard (iphone style), and I really like it. I have problems with the hardware keyboard of the Kaiser : double press issue, the space bar which poduce a "double-click sound", etc ... I have some difficulties to press keys fast with this keyboard. A friend of mine shown me how fast he uses the software keyboard of the iPhone (and not in landscape mode !) : he goes faster than me with my hardware keyboard...
I know I'm gonna miss many features of Windows Mobile, but it's now about 1 month I'm thinking of the iPhone, and I know what I'll miss and what I'll find.
I use windows mobile devices since "Windows CE 3.0", and until now I always wanted to stay in this world. But unfortunatly Microsoft understood too late that Windows Mobile needs a revolution, Windows Mobile 7 is announced for 2010, I can't wait so long ...
HTC did what they can to improve Windows Mobile (HTC Home, the cube, Manilla, etc ...) but behind this old style Windows Mobile is still there !
HTC also disapointed me about the hardwares : no drivers issue for the Kaiser (and I don't care about the 3D drivers, I wanted HTC to put the 2D drivers, which would make the device a lot faster in every kind of usage, including reading videos), my Kaiser is definitly too slow. I tried all the tweaks, ROM changing, etc..., but my Kaiser is still slower than my old Qtek S200... I'm also disapointed that the problem (lack of drivers) is quite still there with the touch HD ... So I definitly want to stop buying HTC devices.
So tired of HTC, tired of Microsoft : hello Apple ...
And I'll see if I can deal with the missing features of the iPhone, but I'll do my best to make my requirements fit the iPhone.
Again, thank you so much for the help you provided me for many years, thanks a lot also to the developers who made possible what HTC could not (3D drivers for exemple, even if I don't use it).
I wish you all the best for 2009.
Bye

i have found times where my iphone is actually not fast enough to keep up with the way i text/type. and just a few things you should know, the camera is horrible (no video recording, no zoom, no effects) your text is like a chat, so no Forwarding, re sending, or MMS. the only way to get a pic message is to receive it in your email. same way to send them, email only. only 1 program can be ran at a time. and the #1 thing that pissed me off was that there is no tethering via bluetooth. dont get me wrong, i loved my iphone when i got rid of my hermes. i thought it was the best thing ever, but after having it for a little over a year now. its hell. since im holding onto my iphone till my kaiser comes. ill have to see what the kaiser is all about and if i like it or not before i actually start thinking about selling my iphone.. i already got 3 PMs about people wanting it.

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Hello,
I decided to leave Windows Mobile : I'm tired of this old O.S.
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Oh man, didn't you see the latest iPhone review?
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Oh man, didn't you see the latest iPhone review?
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rofl! thats great

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Follow the Rules.
If you post a redundant thread, SPAM, flame or violate any rules. Your thread will be closed or deleted without warning. Useless threads like those that address an issue such as "Which ROM is the best," "Kaiser vs iPhone," or "Kaiser Killer" will be closed. You could also be banned for violating the rules.
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don't mind me, need 10 original characters.​

Jc61990 said:
i have found times where my iphone is actually not fast enough to keep up with the way i text/type. and just a few things you should know, the camera is horrible (no video recording, no zoom, no effects) your text is like a chat, so no Forwarding, re sending, or MMS. the only way to get a pic message is to receive it in your email. same way to send them, email only. only 1 program can be ran at a time. and the #1 thing that pissed me off was that there is no tethering via bluetooth. dont get me wrong, i loved my iphone when i got rid of my hermes. i thought it was the best thing ever, but after having it for a little over a year now. its hell. since im holding onto my iphone till my kaiser comes. ill have to see what the kaiser is all about and if i like it or not before i actually start thinking about selling my iphone.. i already got 3 PMs about people wanting it.
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About the camera, if you jailbreak your iPhone, then the zoom and video recording appear ... The camera quality of the iPhone may be bad, but don't tell me that it is worse than the one of the Kaiser because I would not believe you ...
Same thing to run multiple programs at the same time : if your iPhone is Jailbroken, then you can install an app which does it very well.
Apple also said it will come with the firmware 2.3.
About the fact that you can't add a memory card, I don't care ! 16 GB is a lot more than what I need. Today I'm only using 5 GB on my Kaiser, and I have many videocasts on it (hundreeds !).
Again, as I said, I know I'll be missing things from Windows Mobile, but I took 1 month to take my decision and I really know what's positive and negative in the iPhone. And I'll do my best no to go back to Windows Mobile as this old O.S. looks like jurassic today !

dizzy33 said:
About the camera, if you jailbreak your iPhone, then the zoom and video recording appear ... The camera quality of the iPhone may be bad, but don't tell me that it is worse than the one of the Kaiser because I would not believe you ...
Same thing to run multiple programs at the same time : if your iPhone is Jailbroken, then you can install an app which does it very well.
Apple also said it will come with the firmware 2.3.
About the fact that you can't add a memory card, I don't care ! 16 GB is a lot more than what I need. Today I'm only using 5 GB on my Kaiser, and I have many videocasts on it (hundreeds !).
Again, as I said, I know I'll be missing things from Windows Mobile, but I took 1 month to take my decision and I really know what's positive and negative in the iPhone. And I'll do my best no to go back to Windows Mobile as this old O.S. looks like jurassic today !
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zoom and video don't appear on jailbreak u still need to install 2 separate apps for that.
as for camera quality
Photo taken with my old hermes: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/jc61990/IMAGE_022.jpg
Photo Taken with iphone: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/jc61990/Car/IMG_0376.jpg (had to downsize resolution to increase the quality)

haha. thanks guys. think i just found myself a new background pic.

Bye guys(kinda)

well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert

kidnamedAlbert said:
well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert
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Albert, you helped me out and I learned alot from you! You will be missed, promise to stop by and say hello now and then! I wish you the best!
Cal

Thanks for all your hard work, skinning and mostly for your orginizational skills in keeping the skins thread running productively and peacefully ( such that it was ). We will miss you and look forward to your return. And you will.
My wife has an iphone that I fool with from time to time, Steve Jobs and Apple will crush the inspiration and creativity out of you in no time. Entertainment aside, unlike WM , the iphone is done Apple's way or not at all.
Good Luck, Denco

thanks for the excellent skins, etc.! Best of luck with your new toy...

Blah! NOOO! Read this first! By Steve Davis of ppcmobility. Btw, I'm 16 too and I find out that the Fuze is still much better than my friends' iPhones.
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
Time for my list. I’ll start backwards… well in order… at 10. Well.... 9 is good for iphone users
10. iPhone(Apple) users. Don’t get me wrong. I like people, but iPhone people and Apple people are their own breed. They always think that Macs are the best, Apple is the best company ever and the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread. They will push the iPhone on you until you hate everything Apple. This includes you Walt Mossberg. Apparently for the price you get one iPhone and a few pounds of smug to carry around with you. When the iPhone 3G came out I had to keep checking my phone to make sure I really did have 3G for years because the way it was advertised I was certain they were releasing something so new to the market I couldn’t have had it already.
9. Applications made free for iPhones. I can go over a lot of applications that come out for iPhone that are free and good, but were out for Windows mobile for years beforehand and were not free. Shazam is out on Android and iPhone for free. They came out with a program called “TagIt” in 2006, but that has disappeared and they only have the service for iPhone and Android or for people in the UK(no offense, US gets stuff first 9 times out of 10). Pandora! Free for iPhone and its BIG NEWS, but its been out for Windows Mobile for a while, but you had to pay, which is not cool. I’m sure there are more out there, but I cant think of them right now. Those are the 2 big ones.
8. Cut and Paste. BGR is right, this is a big problem. Just because the Macs dont have mice with 2 buttons doesn’t mean you need to cripple your iPhone to not be able to copy and paste! (I know you can right click NOW but that’s kind of new).
7. 1 word, Flash. Skyfire has recently given Windows mobile users the benefit of Flash websites. I’d expect the best phone in the world to do the same. Flash mobile has been out for a while, but what sites recognize flash lite 3.1 or mobile 7? And Safari is constantly touted as the best browser. The numbers are simple - SkyFire loads WebPages much faster than Safari plus you get the real internet (yeah, with Flash, etc). Oh and congrats iPhone you finally have more choices.
6. Non-Replaceable battery. Now sure, the iPhone battery will last FOREVER, but what if it doesn’t? What if I want more than the 5 hours of 3G talk time Apple specs out? What if i want a high-capacity battery without cracking it open or putting a strange case on it? Given most phones will get thicker with a bigger battery, but you don’t have to void your warranty or use a case you don’t want to use. This really goes to the core of how Apple makes money. The original Mac cases could not be opened so you would be forced to buy a new computer and there was no ‘upgrading’. The iPods also have a non-replaceable battery. The reason is simple - when the battery dies this forces you to buy the newest version and since everyone loves Apple they shell out more money ever year for a slight upgrade. This may also explain why other items on this list are here; it gives Apple a reason to release iPhone v3. And don’t even get me started on the proprietary plug instead of mini-USB which is now becoming standard for PDA’s
5. Multitasking. There is some misconception about this and theiPhoneBlog has a good write-up about it and the deal is that Apple only allows its own apps(mail, phone, etc) to multitask. 3rd party apps cant. I’ll get into that in #4.
4. Install whatever i want without jailbreak. So with Windows Mobile, not only can i edit the registry, but I can install WHATEVER I WANT without jailbreaking my phone and potentially bricking it. I find it hard to believe that they can demand the price they do and lock your device entirely and not get heat for it. If Windows did the same thing they would get destroyed for it.
3a. The Screen. I hate hearing that the iPhone has such a beautiful screen. Guess what? I can see pixels. All of them. If I pick up my Fuze I don’t see any thanks to the glory that is VGA. I’m sure Apple will release a VGA screen and then I’ll hear all of the media hype about how it’s the sharpest screen ever even though we all know the Touch HD has the same dimensions with a higher resolution.
3b. The User Interface. The user interface of the iPhone is merely an application launcher and if you want more than that or a different look then Apple will tell you to look elsewhere or wait for their next latest and greatest release. It is literally nothing more than a page of shortcuts and people love the simplicity and entire lack of actual interface. And the intentional minimalist look for the iPhone (with a single hard button) also breeds this inefficiency. If you’re in an application and want to use the phone there’s no ‘phone’ button. You have to go home then launch the phone.
2. Customization of icons/themes/skins/BACKGROUND again without jailbreak. Just about every phone on XDA has a thread for “post your today screen”. For the iPhone, those forums need to be in the jailbreak sections. How hard would it be to make it standard to be able to have custom icons and skins? And changing the background was one of the bigger gripes I had when looking for a phone. It may not sound like much, but I want to do what I want to do. Why do I need to conform to what Apple wants? The name iPhone is a misnomer. It should be Steve’s Phone because he found some settings he likes and told you to like them too
1. MMS. Why cant i sent a MMS to my friends who have iPhones? When I ask them, they just say “email it to me”. Well I don’t want to. I can MMS pictures to my other friends, I’m not going to make an exception for my iPhone friends. You CAN get a MMS app for the iPhone, but you need to again Jailbreak it and then you’re good to go.
These reasons alone weren’t why I got the Fuze, but they did help in the long run. Hopefully you weren’t swayed by the hype and advertising like everyone else. What’s #1 on your list?
And if you are interested in what an iPhone can do when you jailbreak it, check out this link wouldn’t it be nice if it could do some of that right out of the box? Like a Windows Mobile phone?
Let the bashing begin…
-SCDavis
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Kraize said:
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
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It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...

Hey, props to knA , lets not let this turn into another iPhone sucks thread.
Thanks again kid

rhov23 said:
It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...
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aaaaaaaaamen

Good luck with your new device
Hope in the future you come back!

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hahah that is rich.

Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone

Good luck to you. You'll be missed

maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN

kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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I know what u mean, I'm a skinner myself . SKIN THEM ALIVE!

kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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What's the matter with the HTC Touch HD? Even PDAEssentials, which normally worships the iPhone, admitted recently that the HTC Touch HD won in their iPhone-HD-X1-Storm head-to-head.
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Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone
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Hahahahahahaha...*draws breath*...hahahahaha...
Oh wait - I got that stupid smudge of doom and massive realignment problem on my Touch.
Touchphones are clearly still in their early days.

well, i have my iphone 3g for about 4 months now, while most of the glorious why iphone is not good list does not apply to me... with the exception of flash and UI, i am pretty happy with it. iphone comes with a lot of features i dont need to hunt down in WM, and a lot of interesting apps after it is jailbroke (seriously, if you can handle a WM, jailbreaking iphone should be a no-brainer process). i can safely say i probably wont get another WM device unless WM7 is significantly better than WM6.1, but i definitely wont get the next iphone... if theres a next one... back to symbian i guess...