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iPhone vs TyTN II....Startling results!!!

A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your display looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out how my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to show me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the drool off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires ...then CLICK...perfect picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!

MACkjam said:
A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your dispay looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out hoe my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to sow me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the droll off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires p...then CLICK...perfec picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!
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There is nothing better then a good relationship with your colleagues.

i will say that the kaiser is a great phone but it does have its somehwat really annoying and extremely slow moments
never had an iphone but from what i have played with it is really fast at loading apps

Did you also mention that you can Sim unlock it to any network and change the firmware .. and the thing still works ... even better than before.

and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)

Didnt see a demo for video.

beta_boy said:
and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)
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LOL...Never. Firstly most iPhones are locked. To unlock them is very tricky. That means you cannot just install 3rd party software.
Even if you are able to use Coreplayer on the iPhone, Mine is perfect...so I don't think that I will be drooling. hehehehe.
I will maybe drool over the new Xperia SE X1!!!! My wife is waiting for them to launch here in South Africa, then she is getting one as she is a huge SE fan, having a W900i now. She also uses my old KJam.

beta_boy said:
and soon your Colleague will be making you drool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-Vp3IVjbg
Sorry I could not resist ;-)
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Why don't WM deserve a good interface? I have paid for Coreplayer,and I was severely disappointed in the UI. Its confusing, and very finger-unfriendly. If there was a trail I would probably not have ended up buying it.
Why don't you do exactly the same UI on the WM devices?
Surur

That _IS_ the new CorePlayer Mobile UI being demo'd (internally called v2) for all our mobile OS's. It is scheduled for release in a later 1.3.x release as we are still adding alot of functionality to it. But its 10x more usable then the current UI.

beta_boy said:
That _IS_ the new CorePlayer Mobile UI being demo'd (internally called v2) for all our mobile OS's. It is scheduled for release in a later 1.3.x release as we are still adding alot of functionality to it. But its 10x more usable then the current UI.
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Cool!!
Surur

Thats an old UI as well (from XMAS) we have come along way since then... I'd post screen caps but I don't want to give it all away ;-)

MACkjam said:
A coleague of mine has an unlocked 8Gb iPhone. I have a TyTN II.
Colleague: My iPhone has a great display with great touch interface
Me: Yeah, your display looks like crap by the end of the day. Look at mine. Oh and mine also has a great touch interface
Result: Colleague looks perplexed
Colleague: Check out how my iPhone plays videos!!! (He proceeds to show me a music clip....HOHUM)
Me: Check this out (whips out TyTN II, opens CorePlayer, and plays Mission Impossible 3)
(Also opens TCPMP and plays Duran Duran Rio FLV video from
youtube)
Result: Colleague not only impressed, but he had to wipe the drool off his chin)
Coleague: OK, OK, my iPhone has a great camera...so he proceeds to take a sample
picture of me.
Me: Starts camera app, starts to take a pic of him...first AUTOFOCUS fires ...then CLICK...perfect picture of him.
Result: colleague now looking positively flustered.
This carried on for about half an hour.
Every time he whipped out an app or function on the iPhone, I was able to trump him.
Then he said his iPhone has 8Gb of memory!!! WOW I said my TyTN II can handle up to 32Gb on a microSD!!!!!
Then the absolute caveat was when I said that I have access to tens of thousands of games and apps for my TyTN II which I can install and uninstall at will.
I can sync with Outlook etc etc etc ad nauseum.
Eventually he just shook is head and walked away visibly shaken!!!
UP THE KAISER!!!!!!
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Uhm, you must be smoking crack.
1. The iPhone's display is both crisper (dots per inch and resolution) and larger. It's larger with more pixel density at the same time.
Additionally, the iPhone has proper video drivers (omgwtf!!). You'd have to be on crack to say the Kaiser is better at this.
2. The iPhone has a faster processor, faster ram chips, faster flash chips, and a faster video card.
3. The iPhone has a better touch interface. One, it has a capacitive touch screen, and two it was designed from the ground up with finger/touch in mind. All of the current Windows Mobile options (largely from HTC) are retrofitted.
4. The camera, ok, well this is one area you're right. The iPhone's camera is pitiful and the Kaiser's rocks. The iPhone's is a cheap little piece of crap 2 megapixel camera with no autofocus. Lame.
5. iPhone 2.0 will have Exchange ActiveSync in June. It currently works very well on the leaked betas.
6. The next iteration of the iPhone in June will most probably include a 32gb model, as well. And the iPhone uses fast flash chips.
7. The iPhone is almost half as thin as the Kaiser
8. The iPhone has a much better web browser.
9. If this story is actually true, and your colleague was really "visibly shaken", I suggest you two go out and ride a bike, enjoy the sun, and get laid.
If you're going to crack on the iPhone, crack on it for legitimate (and true) reasons, such as not having GPS functionality, a ****ty on-screen keyboard, having a ****ty camera, being a closed platform, not 3G (yet), having crappy sync support (no notes, tasks, etc), not having an analog to the awesome Live Search software, no mobile office apps, etc.
The iPhone shines at what it does, and the Kaiser can't compare in its arena. The Kaiser shines at what it does (and is overall more useful imho), and the iPhone can't compare in its arena.
I see them targeted at different markets, currently. That may change a little with the iPhone 2.0, but for now they're apples and oranges (pun intended). Love each for their strengths, but don't just make **** up.

The only thing my iphone buddies have on me is a better web browser. That's IT.

Apples and Oranges.
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You Guys are comparing two different Areas. The Kaiser is enthusiasts and business users, like IT and Smart Management. While the iPhone is for trendy personal use and it's kind of being shoe-horned into Business use. Though clearly not so well. Office Mobile v. umm...... Food Network Recipes! Is just one example. Yes, yes the iPhone is going to be Exchange Sync-able but still.
Also, important to note. I've been able to make an iPhone lock up a bunch of times. I guess I'm too used to my Kaiser.

iPhone this, Tilt that!
Unlike most iPhone users that I have seen or heard, I don't go around bragging about how special my Tilt is and flashing it at every passerby! So I guess when I go and buy a Echo Friendly Hybrid SUV, I'll add the iPhone to complete my all around smugness attitude. We all have our opinions about this and this one is mine......

mchapman007 said:
Unlike most iPhone users that I have seen or heard, I don't go around bragging about how special my Tilt is and flashing it at every passerby! So I guess when I go and buy a Echo Friendly Hybrid SUV, I'll add the iPhone to complete my all around smugness attitude. We all have our opinions about this and this one is mine......
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Thats true. I don't try and Ace people with my Tilt. And the Hybrid owners offset their SMOG savings by SMUG emissions.

JimmyMcGee said:
Thats true. I don't try and Ace people with my Tilt. And the Hybrid owners offset their SMOG savings by SMUG emissions.
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The iPhone, for better or worse, is a wow kind of device because it presents a bunch of new concepts in a production mobile phone. My non-techy relatives were really wowed by Coverflow scrolling and all the GUI candy, for example.
Perhaps it's because the Tilt isn't really a wow kind of device. Rather, it just functions really well at what it does. Ok ok, the GPS functionality and camera really wowed me
You can see the iPhone's influence in a lot of areas of the Windows Mobile area. It seems like every ROM ricer is trying to insert iPhone-like software and hacks into their OS. Personally, I'm not a fan of making WM more like the iPhone.
Apples and Oranges.

godfa7h3r said:
The only thing my iphone buddies have on me is a better web browser. That's IT.
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Use the leak Opera Mobile 9.5 cab, and they wont even have that.
Surur

perdurabo2 said:
The iPhone, for better or worse, is a wow kind of device because it presents a bunch of new concepts in a production mobile phone. My non-techy relatives were really wowed by Coverflow scrolling and all the GUI candy, for example.
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I don't exactly agree with this. This stuff existed before the iPhone, just like there were MP3 Players before the iPod.
perdurabo2 said:
Perhaps it's because the Tilt isn't really a wow kind of device. Rather, it just functions really well at what it does. Ok ok, the GPS functionality and camera really wowed me
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Wow or Not. I wow iPhone users when I slide out the keyboard to text.
perdurabo2 said:
You can see the iPhone's influence in a lot of areas of the Windows Mobile area. It seems like every ROM ricer is trying to insert iPhone-like software and hacks into their OS. Personally, I'm not a fan of making WM more like the iPhone.
Apples and Oranges.
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One thing Apple does get right is design and "eye-candy" and since everyone is hypnotized by it, why not pretty up WM devices?

The iPhone is a slick device, I gotta give it that. However it just has way too many limitations. Here are things my Cruise has over the iPhone
-3 megapixel camera that actually takes video
-2nd camera for video calls
-stereo bluetooth
-internal GPS chip
-3G
-removable battery / removable storage
there are tons of other little things here and there such as copy paste, XDA forums, FM radio (Cruise only I think), exchange sync, blackberry connect (only on Kaiser can't get this to work on Cruise) etc.
There are also combinations of things, such as 3G with bluetooth, which allows you to tether your laptop with bluetooth and use a fast 3G network. This is huge, I tested 3G speeds vs an iPhone the other day, iPhone got about 114kbits/sec, I had about 873kbits/sec, almost 8 times the speed. Also as a previous poster said, Opera 9.5 is a great browser even though it's still in beta.
In the end everyone will get the device that works for them or makes them happy. The fact of the matter is the WM6/HTC combo is not for most users, the way the iPhone is. That's why the iPhone has massive appeal and is proving it through sales. It might not be that great of a device, but it is generally good and slick enough that people buy it. Meanwhile most of us have had to hack the registry & flash ROMs, stuff I don't expect the mainstream population to do. Furthermore the iPhone has been innovative in the sense that it brought several features that existed in other phones and put them together. Having an accelerometer in the phone is not a new thing, a phone that plays music is not a new thing but they packaged it all well together. The interface to the iPhone is intuitive, unlike a WM device. I fault Microsoft for a lot of this. A company that I feel has lost it's edge in innovation in many areas of their business. PIE is a POS. that thing looks so outdated. WM6 itself is outdated looking. Anyways at least they got the message and want to fix that in WM7 and beyond. About time, but it took something like an iPhone to wake them up.

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...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
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Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.

AllTheWay said:
...and herd of sheep grows.
Hope she doesn't want to send picture messages or receive them!
Iphone = no MMS. Nice job Steve!
Sorry just had to do it. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.
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silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3

Haha Yeah guys its just a more basic phone for her. She doesnt need some crazy pphone that does as much as the Kaiser. She just needs a phone to talk and text one. She loved her iPhone before and was just getting the hang of things when I got rid of it and got her the Kaiser haha. But she would like to go back now anyways. To each their own guys. Its all personal preference.

well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.

Fared said:
well I would never buy an iPhone, I don't see why it's terrible for another person to get one, especialy if they like it and don't like the competition.
I love to tinker with my "toys"; some people want an easy out-of-the-box experience. You can't have both, so you have the winMobiles and the apples. To each his own.
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I completely agree with you up until 'you can't have both'. Why not? I completely believe that this is where Windows Mobile falls flat on it's face. I would expect that the vast majority of iPhones sold are due to it's looks (I know that's the only factor drawing me towards wanting one). I would therefore argue that had the Windows Mobile interface looked as nice if not nicer then they would obviously be much more appealing, to both the 'fashion' buyers, and to the kind of people that use this forum as it would encompass both functionality, the ability to be modded, and aesthetics...and the iPhone would become obsolete! So come on WM...employ some f'ing designers!! It's a no-brainer!

altho i wouldnt have one, iphone is much thinner, lighter ..
most ppl just dont do the same or expect the same from their device as we do.
i know many guys who sold their tilts for exactly the reasons above..
my tilt is bigger and heavier than my 8y/o nokia .. its an everyday heavy lug when many times i just need a simple phone and occasional web connection..
if i could, or it made any sense, i would have 2 phones.. light and industrial strength
wife has really light thin phone and a nokia n800 in her purse.
driving around, she needs web access. nokia has fast and far wifi recognition..
at least 40% of networks are open and not pw protected..
she taps in real quick, does her business and drives off..
it worx really well

Iphone not so bad
I went from an 8525 > iphone > Tilt.
Still got the iphone. After it's jailbreaked and installer is installed, you can customize it and get just about any program you want on it. It's got style, and the transitions are smooth.
I like WM better, but for its hard to down the iphone, because it's a cool and fast phone.

one major reason i bought my tilt was b/c of the GPS... TomTom is so cool..
it saved me from having to own another gadget..

The iphone with installer does have a load of programs, but what annoys me is that most of those are just eye candy rather than actually useful apps or hacks like we have under WM... Of course the interface smoothness, speed and overall comfort makes it awesome for things like web surfing, but there's so much more functionality on a Kaiser that even if I like the iphone concept, when thinking rationally I would only use it for web and to look at it.. no possible justification to have both
I too to love the Kaiser for versatility. It has managed to include all the devices I was using, last one being the GPS that was external before and that I of course never had with me when I needed it...

Does not even the new 3G iPhone do picture msgs?

Man... maybe I'm crazy but all these people are talking about the iphone's speed and reliability.. In my personal experience (a lot, I live in trendy hollywood) I hear more people saying "I HATE this piece of ****!!" more than anything else about the iphone. Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape. So from my personal experience.. it would seem that the "reliability" of the iphone is all how it was marketed, not how it actually performs.

I'm tired of my HTC Magnum. I would consider an iPhoney in trade, just to tinker with something different.

Hey I have 1st gen iPhone in very good condition unlocked. where you located? pm me asap!

Not to mention new iPhone 3G's battery is a disaster, wont last as long as even tilt...
So you could show up at an awesome party and try to use your iBeer to impress your mates, and only to find out your beloved iPhone 3G has died on you...

ericmcintire said:
Just having dinner the other night this girl's iphone lagged like crazy and straight up froze for a good 20 seconds. She said "It does this all the time". Then my other buddy's tryin to show me some pictures on his iphone and he has to turn the thing in his hand like 4 times to get it to switch to landscape.
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I'm pretty sure those "reliability issues" are like always caused by 3rd-party programs. iPhone users (at least those I know) often have 4-5 pages of useless but funny/good for boasting programs installed, so it's not surprising one could be buggy and cause problems.
One of my friends once had an issue where his iphone wouldn't even hold a day on battery anymore. Turned out it was a program that was still eating the CPU even on standby. Uninstalled and it was fine. He never had speed issues but it can be just the same.
The same is valid on the Kaiser and other WM devices too... I had a program (A2DPToggle) that would do the same, phone never went into standby anymore as soon as the today plugin was active...
Not even talking of the PC... It's just the same on any platform. Incompatibilities/badly designed programs will always be around.

rzanology said:
silly iphone lovers.....horrible call quality. horrible call management. horrible messaging options. Jesus....looks like the Jesus phone forgot to be a proper phone before eveloving into the fashion cycle.
and now i leave you all with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyYjQHcXEU&eurl=http://wmpoweruser.com/?paged=3
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I'm a HUGE tilt/ kaiser fan, and still don't understand what you're talking about. The iphone doesn't have poor call quality, it has great call quality. I've used one myself, and have tons of friends that have the iphone. Horrible messaging? No... it works great actually, it just lacks MMS (which should be comings hortly in an update). Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.

nimda0 said:
Oh, and lacking mms is probably just as comparable to the tilt's lack of a good dialer, or a decent camera....lol.
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Apples and oranges here. While the dialer and camera may not be up to par to most folks, the functionality is already there.
Lacking MMS is a totally different issue.

Your thread, like every other time an iPhone and a Windows phone are mentioned together, has been hijacked. It is a fact that both camps have very strong emotions and a "my phone is the only choice" attitude. This thread is not the place for that discussion. Let's get back to the purpose of the OP.
Does anyone wanna trade an iPhone for this guys Tilt?

Anyone have a new one they would trade?

How to 'WOW' a Windows Mobile User?

Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...

ehr... How about you try installing that Manilla-thingy?
Wow effect kinda depends on what you're used to..
Hope you find your 'WOW!' ...and let us all know ;-) Good luck!

SlyDogJeff77 said:
Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...
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i run HARET and everyone goes WOW!

here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.

manilla 2d
andriod
a little program called basils smser is alot of fun, its a bomber flooder, type what message you want to send and how many times you want to send it. it also has practical uses such as voting for american idol haha i got just over 20 thousand votes in for the last finale
another program called oist allows you to remotely control your phone through txt messages
SKYFIRE! the skyfire revolution my friend is a must
the panoramic camera function is fun to play with
also their is a program that you take a picture of a buisnes card and it automatically picks everything up and fills in all the information.....
a prgram that acts as a remote for your tv.....
their is alot of stuff out their really..... with windows mobile if you can imagine it there is just about a program to do it

you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!

_RMB_ said:
you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!
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dyetheskin said:
here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.
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My list is shorter:
when I got my first WM 2003 SE PocketPC for Phone Edition (or whatever that horrible name was) I expected and waited for BSOD for about a week until I finally shook my head in disbelief it didn't happen
And I'm with WinMo since - that's my one and only WOW...
@ OP
Don't be naive. It's a Windoze mini computer with a phone. The worst existing Operating System on the market, perhaps ever in the computing history. Isn't it a "WOW!" already? It's a miracle in itself that it works
And as previous poster said - that's also exactly why we all use it, don't we? To have possibility to hack, crack, f*ck and whatever else we can with it. Same as with our big computers. We use linux for daily stuff (or a Mac at worst, if youre into eyecandy limited crap), and Windozes for the apps that are handy and not avail. there. Its exactly the same with our small computers, aka PPC or Smartphones.
So, honestly, if youre into WinMo phones for some "kewl" "wow factor", youre in the wrong place, and with wrong device in your hand.
I say go get an iCrap 3G and start pleasuring it (/edit: I mean fingering it, like all those Apple nuts do) and start showing off if you're into "wow" instead of what you can do with it or use it for , and of course if you're not the last on the block to have that crappy "i" phone that consists entirely of "kewl" look but no substance at all ;-) ... because seriously, as far as "kewl factor" goes, no one beats Apple (in both uselessness and "wow" factor in the same time) and current "best looking UI" on WinMo - Manila - (notice I didn't say it is best at all, just best looking) is still not as cool as iPoo's UI (because it can NOT be - can you even imagine using i.e. Word or Excel with just touch screen and no stylus? Not to mention lack of copy'n'paste ROTFL)
And don't count on Android. As linux-based OS, it will never be as popular as cranky WinMo - because most people use Windozes and ppl stick with what they know usually. I'm sure it will be best and most stable OS out of all mobile platforms, yet it won't be more popular in the mobile world than linux is among PC users (I wish I'm wrong...)
If anything - maybe one day that old Symbian, if it still have some juice left in it, may surprise us one day with stable and "WOW'y" OS...
Just my 0.02
oh and yeah, why is it in development? Im not even sure it even fits "general", it should have been in iPhone section... oh yeah <smack myself in the head> thankfully we don't have any iPoo section

I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "

cproaudio yesterday.

my wow
winmobile torrent but i would like to find a program that will convert video files on the kaiser directly without the need for a comp.

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I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "
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I always knew that the first 'K' in KITT stood for Kaiser...

iPhone 3G .... Is it any good... opinions???

Hello All,
I just thought that I would start this thread because I know that a lot of people on this forum have been complaining about the status of the Kaiser and the Graphics driver (or lack thereof).
I have a Kaiser myself, and so far have been very happy with it, but when I managed to get a new iphone 3G 16Gb for a very good price, I thought that it would be interesting to try it.
I have now decided to get rid of one of the phones... which one??? The iPHONE!!!!!!!!!
I HONESTLY feel that the iphone is an excellent phone, but it is no where near ready to take on the likes of the Diamond or the Kaiser in the corporate environment.
What are your feelings? Please let me know if you have also tried one.
If anyone wants to know more details about why I sold the iphone, please feel free to contact me.

I am a student with a kaiser and i use many of its features everyday, but dont think i could EVER use everything this phone and WM(as much as i dislike it) has to offer. The iphone is a great phone that excels extremly well in its areas, but i dont believe the kaiser and iphone are direct competers. Iphone= entertainment/business casual phone for anyone, simple and strait forward. Kaiser= Business & complex phone for thoughs who need to be able to take there computer with the anywhere

My thoughts...
Both phones are really nice phones and what one does well the other lacks. To me the best thing about the iphone was the browser. Safari on the iPhone is much better than IE for WM. If you throw in the latest version of Opera into the mix the web browsing parts of the phone become more comparable. What I did was change the Opera user agent string to spoof the iPhone. This way sites that are designed for the iPhone come up in Opera without any issues that I have ran into so far. There are a few sites that I visit that have a much better version for the iPhone. A few for example are espn.com , nypost.com , delta.com and even the msn.com page looks better in Opera with spoofing the iPhone than it does in IE. If you spoof the user agent with IE it does not display the web pages correctly.
Email I give a slight edge to the Kaiser. Both handle it very well but once again the keyboard makes it easier for me.
MMS...Well I use it quite often and it was lacking from the iPhone.
I need to edit documents on the go and the iPhone couldn't do it out of the box and with it jailbroken it was a pain in the ass to do all that typing on the screen.
Using it as a media device the iPhone has the advantage. iTunes has a much better interface than WMP or Audio Manager. Easier to sync and the app store was kind of cool. I miss the iTrans NYC subway maps. Even though I know the subway system it was a nifty little app to use. Google Maps is ok for subway directions but preffered iTrans. What I found interesting though is that the Kaiser seems to have better sound quality than the iPhone when listening to music. I just got a set of Shure headphones and with Audio Booster I get much better sound than with the iPhone and same headphones. Most likely due to no EQ for iPhone. If there is one than I missed it.
For me I am back with my TyTN II. I guess I need to have my PC with me all the time and with the TyTN II I can even more so than with the iPhone. Plus I get a kick when everyone has there me too iPhones and I whip out my phone. It starts a few converstations a week while I am commuting...

I used iphone 3G for a month and has moved back to Tilt now. my reasons are quite simple
I can control my tilt by modifying it in whatever way i want, which i was not able to do with iphone
copy and paste was not there in iphone
eventhough the iphone feels sturdy i doubt it. i dont have that confidence in rough handling iphone as other ones i had.
the loudspeaker is very low
no flash support. Skyfire is awesome for tilt now
no file transfers
But of course iphone is a fantastic phone with a love at first sight screen and awesome browser. I would love to have a phone with iphone screen resolution and a iphone browser and everything else like tilt.

Geez, another useless "which one is better thread"...
read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432728
and pay special attention to post 19...and then 16....then you'll get a clear answer.
*yes, 16 is uselss, but it sure is funny....LOL
**Yes..and I know if you laugh at your own joke it really isn't that funny--deal wih it..

XDA-OSXDEVELOPERS.COM
The iphone sucks and always will, Wow it has a nice GUI, whoopty-fuc*ing-doo. So does manilla. And you can load 3rd party apps, without having to be connected to wifi, and (hold on to your seat) you can bluetooth a freakin ringtone. And one more suprise....Ready, Ya sure.... The kaiser can copy and paste, and even view a freakin web in FLASH. OMFG.
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Iphone 3G is alright, i owned the original Iphone and messed around with my friends Iphone 3g. Its an ok phone. Its missing too many things i love from the Tilt. I'll start off with the things I love on the Tilt that the Iphone is missing.
1. Copy and Paste
2. Skyfire, and Opera Mobile
3. A true gps like Tom Tom
4. Bluetooth A2DP
5. Camera with video recording(plus its 3mp and 6mp with panorama shots)
6. Thousands of ways to customize with mobile shells, iphone themes also, etc,...
7. Louder speaker, its waaaay too low. I almost always missed phone calls on my old iphone, and iphone 3g is no different.
Personally, for me to want an iphone, those things would have to be in a future version. A keyboard would be nice, but i can live without it.
And now the good things.
1. Great big Touch Screen, the best i've ever tried.
2. Nice music and itunes going for it, buying songs on the phone through wifi. Pretty great stuff. (On another note, using programs such as S2P, S2U2, and S2V, would give you most of iphones greatest features on the Tilt. Mimics iphones picture, mp3 player with cover flow, and its lock program. They all work great on the tilt.)
3. Great video playback. The tilt is good for watching videos(such as youtube, but can't match the iphones much smoother playback.
4. Great App store with games that utilize iphones accelerometer and touch screen. Its pretty nice(although tilt also has tons of apps and games, certain things don't work nearly as good as they do on the iphone, especially when it comes to touch gestures.)
The iphone is a pretty neat phone, its just missing many things such as mms as well. I occasionally use mms, but its not a neccesity for me so i didnt list it, but it is for others. I'd wait for the 3rd or 4th generation iphone personally, before diving in. Or, you can look towards the google android. I would be getting one if i had t-mobile, but im on ATT. Its almost just like the iphone, going to have a similiar app store, mms, gps with street views, full keyboard, and nice big touch screen as well. When it comes to the Tilt vs the iphone 3g, the tilt wins hands down. A second generation ipod touch seems more likely to buy for me.

Thanks for your comments. I simply wanted to make sure that I was not the only person that is not so impressed with the iPhone.
I have now in fact sold the phone, but I think that I MIGHT regret it.
I saw an article yesterday that shows a programmer in Norway has managed to get Windows Mobile running on the iPhone. He has managed to create a "boot camp" equivalent for the iphone. Sadly the system is only in BETA at the moment, but he said that he will be selling the system in January 2009.
I am alone in thinking that this would be a REALLY cool phone to have Windows Mobile on the iPhone Hardware???????
Comments please!!!!!!

There is already a thread about the iphone running WM, but some of the commentary suggests that its a possible fake Anyway, to answer your question, Iphone wouldnt be Iphone running WM.

There are plenty of iPhone dissing threads in Off-Topic, Where they belong.
Thread Closed pursuant to the guidelines set forth in the Kaiser Section Announcement and Forum Policies.

Bye guys(kinda)

well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert

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well guys today i bought me an iphone. my sister is now going to be using my wing. i just made her a dialer skin so dont worry. i just extended my skinning platforms. i know ive been gone for a while but i just moved in to a new home so i didnt have time. when i finish he dialer i will post here.
but in the end, i might not be on as much anymore. just in case i dont, this is my good-bye to you guys. if it werent for you guys, i think i would have thrown my wing away but i didnt because you guys made it usable. but im only 16, i need a phone that focuses more on fun and music.
thanks again guys,
Albert
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Albert, you helped me out and I learned alot from you! You will be missed, promise to stop by and say hello now and then! I wish you the best!
Cal

Thanks for all your hard work, skinning and mostly for your orginizational skills in keeping the skins thread running productively and peacefully ( such that it was ). We will miss you and look forward to your return. And you will.
My wife has an iphone that I fool with from time to time, Steve Jobs and Apple will crush the inspiration and creativity out of you in no time. Entertainment aside, unlike WM , the iphone is done Apple's way or not at all.
Good Luck, Denco

thanks for the excellent skins, etc.! Best of luck with your new toy...

Blah! NOOO! Read this first! By Steve Davis of ppcmobility. Btw, I'm 16 too and I find out that the Fuze is still much better than my friends' iPhones.
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
Time for my list. I’ll start backwards… well in order… at 10. Well.... 9 is good for iphone users
10. iPhone(Apple) users. Don’t get me wrong. I like people, but iPhone people and Apple people are their own breed. They always think that Macs are the best, Apple is the best company ever and the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread. They will push the iPhone on you until you hate everything Apple. This includes you Walt Mossberg. Apparently for the price you get one iPhone and a few pounds of smug to carry around with you. When the iPhone 3G came out I had to keep checking my phone to make sure I really did have 3G for years because the way it was advertised I was certain they were releasing something so new to the market I couldn’t have had it already.
9. Applications made free for iPhones. I can go over a lot of applications that come out for iPhone that are free and good, but were out for Windows mobile for years beforehand and were not free. Shazam is out on Android and iPhone for free. They came out with a program called “TagIt” in 2006, but that has disappeared and they only have the service for iPhone and Android or for people in the UK(no offense, US gets stuff first 9 times out of 10). Pandora! Free for iPhone and its BIG NEWS, but its been out for Windows Mobile for a while, but you had to pay, which is not cool. I’m sure there are more out there, but I cant think of them right now. Those are the 2 big ones.
8. Cut and Paste. BGR is right, this is a big problem. Just because the Macs dont have mice with 2 buttons doesn’t mean you need to cripple your iPhone to not be able to copy and paste! (I know you can right click NOW but that’s kind of new).
7. 1 word, Flash. Skyfire has recently given Windows mobile users the benefit of Flash websites. I’d expect the best phone in the world to do the same. Flash mobile has been out for a while, but what sites recognize flash lite 3.1 or mobile 7? And Safari is constantly touted as the best browser. The numbers are simple - SkyFire loads WebPages much faster than Safari plus you get the real internet (yeah, with Flash, etc). Oh and congrats iPhone you finally have more choices.
6. Non-Replaceable battery. Now sure, the iPhone battery will last FOREVER, but what if it doesn’t? What if I want more than the 5 hours of 3G talk time Apple specs out? What if i want a high-capacity battery without cracking it open or putting a strange case on it? Given most phones will get thicker with a bigger battery, but you don’t have to void your warranty or use a case you don’t want to use. This really goes to the core of how Apple makes money. The original Mac cases could not be opened so you would be forced to buy a new computer and there was no ‘upgrading’. The iPods also have a non-replaceable battery. The reason is simple - when the battery dies this forces you to buy the newest version and since everyone loves Apple they shell out more money ever year for a slight upgrade. This may also explain why other items on this list are here; it gives Apple a reason to release iPhone v3. And don’t even get me started on the proprietary plug instead of mini-USB which is now becoming standard for PDA’s
5. Multitasking. There is some misconception about this and theiPhoneBlog has a good write-up about it and the deal is that Apple only allows its own apps(mail, phone, etc) to multitask. 3rd party apps cant. I’ll get into that in #4.
4. Install whatever i want without jailbreak. So with Windows Mobile, not only can i edit the registry, but I can install WHATEVER I WANT without jailbreaking my phone and potentially bricking it. I find it hard to believe that they can demand the price they do and lock your device entirely and not get heat for it. If Windows did the same thing they would get destroyed for it.
3a. The Screen. I hate hearing that the iPhone has such a beautiful screen. Guess what? I can see pixels. All of them. If I pick up my Fuze I don’t see any thanks to the glory that is VGA. I’m sure Apple will release a VGA screen and then I’ll hear all of the media hype about how it’s the sharpest screen ever even though we all know the Touch HD has the same dimensions with a higher resolution.
3b. The User Interface. The user interface of the iPhone is merely an application launcher and if you want more than that or a different look then Apple will tell you to look elsewhere or wait for their next latest and greatest release. It is literally nothing more than a page of shortcuts and people love the simplicity and entire lack of actual interface. And the intentional minimalist look for the iPhone (with a single hard button) also breeds this inefficiency. If you’re in an application and want to use the phone there’s no ‘phone’ button. You have to go home then launch the phone.
2. Customization of icons/themes/skins/BACKGROUND again without jailbreak. Just about every phone on XDA has a thread for “post your today screen”. For the iPhone, those forums need to be in the jailbreak sections. How hard would it be to make it standard to be able to have custom icons and skins? And changing the background was one of the bigger gripes I had when looking for a phone. It may not sound like much, but I want to do what I want to do. Why do I need to conform to what Apple wants? The name iPhone is a misnomer. It should be Steve’s Phone because he found some settings he likes and told you to like them too
1. MMS. Why cant i sent a MMS to my friends who have iPhones? When I ask them, they just say “email it to me”. Well I don’t want to. I can MMS pictures to my other friends, I’m not going to make an exception for my iPhone friends. You CAN get a MMS app for the iPhone, but you need to again Jailbreak it and then you’re good to go.
These reasons alone weren’t why I got the Fuze, but they did help in the long run. Hopefully you weren’t swayed by the hype and advertising like everyone else. What’s #1 on your list?
And if you are interested in what an iPhone can do when you jailbreak it, check out this link wouldn’t it be nice if it could do some of that right out of the box? Like a Windows Mobile phone?
Let the bashing begin…
-SCDavis
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Kraize said:
Top 10 reasons iPhone is not good.
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It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...

Hey, props to knA , lets not let this turn into another iPhone sucks thread.
Thanks again kid

rhov23 said:
It comes down to this:
With Windows Mobile, I feel like the phone is mine. I can adjust whatever, and install or create quite easily whatever. I can change battery or whatever, and I can switch to a bigger battery or whatever. I can do almost whatever I want, and whatever I need it for.
It's my tool of choice, or whatever...
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aaaaaaaaamen

Good luck with your new device
Hope in the future you come back!

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hahah that is rich.

Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone

Good luck to you. You'll be missed

maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN

kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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I know what u mean, I'm a skinner myself . SKIN THEM ALIVE!

kidnamedAlbert said:
maybe next year ill get whatever new htc phone is the greatest. btw, im still gonna skin i have too much time on my hands and i honestly find skinning FUN
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What's the matter with the HTC Touch HD? Even PDAEssentials, which normally worships the iPhone, admitted recently that the HTC Touch HD won in their iPhone-HD-X1-Storm head-to-head.
rorydaredkign said:
Yeah seems youll probably be like me, passing by from time to time. Totally agree that I needed a phone for more fun and music though. Stupid cracked screen now
Anyway have fun with your iPhone
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Hahahahahahaha...*draws breath*...hahahahaha...
Oh wait - I got that stupid smudge of doom and massive realignment problem on my Touch.
Touchphones are clearly still in their early days.

well, i have my iphone 3g for about 4 months now, while most of the glorious why iphone is not good list does not apply to me... with the exception of flash and UI, i am pretty happy with it. iphone comes with a lot of features i dont need to hunt down in WM, and a lot of interesting apps after it is jailbroke (seriously, if you can handle a WM, jailbreaking iphone should be a no-brainer process). i can safely say i probably wont get another WM device unless WM7 is significantly better than WM6.1, but i definitely wont get the next iphone... if theres a next one... back to symbian i guess...