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changing device model after a bad upgrade/downgrade

Hello baby and thanks to all,
this post is for the most experts I think.
I have done a bad upgrade/downgrade to my blue angel vodafone v1620 so,
before I have got an PH20B2 and now I have only a PH20B.
This is terrible!
I can't do anything now, no upgrade, no downgrade and, my radio doesen't work because the radio rom I can't install on it.
So I have only a win mob 2003 WWE without radio.
I have read all from this forum and wiki and I have tried a lot of file but I can't solve this problem without your precios SoS.
Someone could help me?
Sorry for my english.
Heard you AsAp!
GoodBye Bb

upgrade the radio with noid app

i have a similar problem, before upgrading i had a ph20a2 and now have ph20a1... flashing with noid doesn't change it back... any suggestions?

thanks xplode,
but if you mean mauppage/bauppage noid.exe
I've tried without success
thanks

i mean MAUpgradeUT_NOID.exe, and leave radio rom only in that folder, and the radio rom should be for your device only, this mess happens when you upgrade to a rom version which is not for your device

yes
I try now, can u tell me where I can found the radio rom for my device only?
thanks

Read The Damn Wiki Already!
secur said:
yes
I try now, can u tell me where I can found the radio rom for my device only?
thanks
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OK i know you are new.. and maybe, just maybe a bit nervous because you have a device you cant use..
READ THE DAMN WIKI ALREADY!
There are so many ways to upgrade a rom, or extract it,
Let me give you a little hint.. Use that really bright shiny search button up there.. (ok so its not bright and shiny, but it is there!)
Press the down arrow, choose advanced search,
then type in MaUpgradeUt_noID,
then make sure that the forum is BlueAngel (on the right!)
then hit search...
That will bring all the posts with the words MaUpgradeUt_noID in the BlueAngle section of the forum.
There will be on that explains how to extract the radio for a released update..
and how to install it using MaUpgradeUt_noID instead of the other installers.
Multiple posting is stoopid.. This is the 3rd post i have seen from you regarding your device that you could have solved using your own head, and searching for the answer istead of sitting on your backside waiting for someone to post the link to solve all your problems.
I know this sounds harsh, and scarcastic, and a tad evil... EVERYTHING I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT A HTC DEVICE, I HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS SITE,
and reading the wiki, and google, and all kinds of other services...
there is no shame in asking for help.. just exhaust all other options first!
And Spam posting is really really lame!

vodafone v1620
contact me for problem on vodafone v1620
I have a lot of experience on this device now
thanks to xplode

xplode said:
i mean MAUpgradeUT_NOID.exe, and leave radio rom only in that folder, and the radio rom should be for your device only, this mess happens when you upgrade to a rom version which is not for your device
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didn't solve the problem, after flashing only with radio oryginal setup still say wrong device

WM6 HTC_Charmer Works

Okay I wanted to Apologize to everyone, It took some time to get my device flashed to WM6 and it’s know where I wanted. The only difference I did is not allowing the extrom to customize with HR.
No need to put any guide out if you read the forums you will get wm6 working.
Thanks.
Window Mobile6(thx 2 Vlodeck & Nocturne)
Rom version: 10.2.0.8 WWE
Rom date: 2/03/07
Radio version:02.19.21
Protocol version: 4.1.13.09

Your charmer is just the same as with mine.
I think it is just setup problem why you can not connect to GPRS.
I have flashed a TouchFlo version WM6 to my charmer (WWE version), it works well.

that you cannot flash wm6 does not mean others can't, so please stop shouting "wm6 does not work".
many people are using it - and many people are satisfied with it - imho this is proving that WM6 works. most of this people ha CIDs locked devices - and they have no problems. I don't khow why you have yor problems, but you have just few possibilities:
1) you are lazy to read forums and finding solutions, or
2) you do not understand what are you reading about or
3) you are using some really old radio and this may be the negative effect, or
4) your charmer is somehow damaged machine, bad memmory blocks or stuff like that
Remember, that charmer is just one, there are no variants, no different generations. All your problems are pointing to something, that must be completely different from others. Focus on radio at first...you have the old one (the same I have - mine works fine)
Another thing that may affect the gameplay is your computer - try to flash from another one. There are no more possibilities.

Ulymanchild said:
1. I’ve tried RUU update with wm6 essentials.002 and it wouldn’t flashed
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it means JUST that your device is CID locked
Ulymanchild said:
2. Tried shelltool flashing & xbeta, and extracted OS and it worked, but it had bugs with elatepushservice.exe and not able to go GPRS Internet.
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search for differences - nobody has the same problems
Ulymanchild said:
3. Repeated the process and 3-5 times and if you’re not careful you may crash you phone ( I did) had to get a new one.
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Unlock your phone and you will never brick it. If you are rather buying new machine than finding solutions, get rid of WM devices, buy Nokia and leave us alone.
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4. New phone has IPL: 2.06.001 SPL: 2.06.001 and it’s now even harder to try to flash
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harder? It's the same, why should it be harder?
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5. Able to flash WWE but it’s still wm5, oh well I guess I will wait two months and get a HTC_Touch but it will need to learn to Flash from German to English.
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mentioned 1000 times in this forum...I cannot believe that somebody can still ask this...

The purpose of my thread was not to attack anyone. I think the information and effort here is very good and all the people like yourself and others developers are doing an outstanding job!
When you try and try and fail, I know it’s frustrating and some of us continue to try. I know I’m not done trying; I still want to be able to have my Charmer to operate under WM6.
I want to make it clear to everyone; I did take my time to read all the forums.
(PLEAES READ FORUMS PPL)
I’m not saying don’t try upgrading, (PLEASE DO TRY!) and don’t give up, take a break to clear your head and find other means to your goal.
All I’m giving is a caution. I flashed my device with out taking my time to go thru the step’s and it crashed. Lucky the T-mobile Company replaced it because my contract is not up!!!!
And lasting thing before I go, I’m not attacking anyone this is General for all!!! I thought forums were for discussions purpose and to help each other find solutions. So when I put information out here, it’s to see if anyone had same issues and maybe give me a some idea to resolve.

Yuking said:
I have flashed a TouchFlo version WM6 to my charmer (WWE version), it works well.
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you flashed a touchflo version to charmer?
tried to find it, but no way! where can i find this ROM?
rgds,
ap0ll0

ap0ll0 said:
you flashed a touchflo version to charmer?
tried to find it, but no way! where can i find this ROM?
rgds,
ap0ll0
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Touchflo version sounds good. Where, where, where!!!!!

People, please do not get so excited about that touchFLO. Firstly, it doesnt work as it should. You have to press softkey to launch it first. Secondly its slow and inconvenient.
And thirdly, happy to hear that Ulymanchild finally got the wm6 issue sorted out

vlodeck said:
People, please do not get so excited about that touchFLO. Firstly, it doesnt work as it should. You have to press softkey to launch it first. Secondly its slow and inconvenient.
And thirdly, happy to hear that Ulymanchild finally got the wm6 issue sorted out
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vlodeck, have you tried the Wizard versions then?
I just like to try new things out, if I didn't i would still be on my original T-Mobile wm5 rom.
cheers

Sorry, these two days I did not come to here.
Here is the URL of TouchFlo version of WM6 (Charmer), but it is in Chinese. (Fantastic B4, with Touch FLO for 818+).
You should register first.
http://www.it1861.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=5480&page=1&fromuid=2244#pid36089
PS1: This rom is not created by me! I just quote it~
PS2: If you can not download it or do not want to register, just tell me a place I can upload it.
PS3: My charmer: 3.08.0001/3.08.0001
Thanks.

vlodeck said:
People, please do not get so excited about that touchFLO. Firstly, it doesnt work as it should. You have to press softkey to launch it first. Secondly its slow and inconvenient.
And thirdly, happy to hear that Ulymanchild finally got the wm6 issue sorted out
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Yes, I agree with you strongly. I don not think using TouchFLO is a good way to operate my charmer. I flashed it and tried it, but I will not use it again but show it to others.

Vlodeck, I wanted to thank you for those kinds words also, I wanted to put out that it was allot easier for me to bootload essential v.002 by extracting the nk.nbf and placed it on 000.4. I think the trick was nb2nbf_wizard.
Oh and I was able to cid unlock with Lokiwiz03 after I flashed to wm6 YOU GUY’s ARE THE BEST!

Some questions

Hi!
After installing the HTC Toupad on my Kaiser, I have experienced big problems. Letters on the Keyboard (QWASYX) didn't work and even the onscreen keyboard didn't recognized these letters. So I decided to uninstall the application. But now I have other problems with my Kaiser and so I decided to Hardreset my device. But before I do this, I want to upgrade my Kaiser to WM6.1 and update it to the newest ROM/Radio.
Now I have some questions relating to that.
As a result that I am a Super Moderator in another forum I know that it is bugging if people don't read the Wiki/FAQs. I have read them, but I don't understand many things :-|
I have handled it to unlock my device, but when I was reading about updating to WM6.1, I saw only things like: "... works only with 6.1", update this, update that, and I don't know in which order.
First of all: Could anyone explain me how to update my Kaiser to WM6.1 and the newest Radio?
Secondly: What is this Duty FW? Is it a modified Rom with added apps?
Finally: I have a normal Kaiser. Not a Vario III, AT&T or something like that. Just the austrian version of the Kaiser with no brandings and so it would be good to have a Firmware without any brandings.
Thx in advance.
BTW:
ROM version: 1.56.405.5
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Oh, I have forgotten one thing: Is it possible to change the LED blinking in the Phone Mode? To change it from green to blue?

The letter problem you were having was a simple fix with a cab that can be found all across this forum. All the ROM's can be found in the ROM Development forum and as far as what has been changed, modified, added, programs list, can all be found in the FIRST or SECOND post of each of the ROM's. So you will just have to read through them and find one that suits you best as they all have something different. Most of the radio's that can only be used on 6.1 ROM's will say "Will only work on 6.1 ROM's". And I would like to add even though you don't have at&t DON'T FLASH THE 1.65.17.10 RADIO.

KDKobes said:
The letter problem you were having was a simple fix with a cab that can be found all across this forum. All the ROM's can be found in the ROM Development forum and as far as what has been changed, modified, added, programs list, can all be found in the FIRST or SECOND post of each of the ROM's. So you will just have to read through them and find one that suits you best as they all have something different. Most of the radio's that can only be used on 6.1 ROM's will say "Will only work on 6.1 ROM's". And I would like to add even though you don't have at&t DON'T FLASH THE 1.65.17.10 RADIO.
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Ok, thx first of all. Dutys rom sounds nice. What do I have to do first? It is still a little mystery for me ^^

alcbottle said:
Ok, thx first of all. Dutys rom sounds nice. What do I have to do first? It is still a little mystery for me ^^
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You need to make sure before you flash a rom on to your kaiser that you flash hardspl - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679, and than after successfully installing that you can flash the rom of your choice. Please read the first sticky thread under the kiaser rom development form - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369282; it has all the info you need pretaining to everything involved when it comes to flashing your kaiser. I strongly recommend you go through it and read the posts it points to that are relevant to flashing.
Once you have done that it is pretty simple process; just do yourself the huge favor and don't flash until you have flashed hardspl or you will brick your phone.

If its still a mystery I would start here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#ROMx20.Upgrading
No pun intended.

@thesire
I have already installed HardSPL. Otherwise I couldn't have unlocked my device with this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039
I have used just the Sim Unlocker Method. Not the Kaiser SIM/CID Unlocker & Changer
That's the reason, why my mobile phone is now with an english language
Just one important question: Do I have to change my current radio for the new Duty Release?
@KDKobes
Why shouldn't I flash THE 1.65.17.10 RADIO?

Some ROM's come with radio's some don't. Most of Dutty's ROM's come with radio's, but if you want to keep your radio then I would suggest finding a ROM without a radio in it or making sure yours is compatible with the WM 6.1 and reflash it back. The 1.65.17.10 radio will lock your phone to that radio only and you will not be able to change it until somebody can fix it. Alot of people are stuck with that radio now and can't change.

Where to start?

Ok, some of you may remember me from the Wizard world. I am the chef for the "Jag" series and "NTS" of roms there. They are old roms I know, but then i decided to be stupid and went to the SP world with a Moto Q9h, 6 months in, I miss my touch screen. I have an AT&T Tilt on the way now. So, to the main point of this post.
Where do I start with unlocking the Tilt, and also, Since I am on AT&T what is the deal with the radios. I know I want to use a non standard ROM on this phone since bloat ware pisses me off.
How do i determine what radio with what rom and so on?
Thanks for your help. I have tried to search the forum for answers but I am totally lost here. Guess I need to leave behind the world of the Wizard and one radio for all roms. LOL.
I missed you guys!!!!

Re the unblocking I think that id the CID Unlock guff you have to run (don't quote me, my phone was already unlocked)
Then read the pages on flash tutorial which turns out to be easy to do and then pick a ROM to flash and away you go

Wow 738 posts and you don't know how to read stickys.
Check the links in my sig (and just about anyone elses) or the sticky in just about every forum for the kaiser.
welcome back.

Ok, So just to test my understanding, I need to check each ROM release and see which HardSPL they used to make the ROM.
Example:
The Garmin.DK.1 WM 6.1 Premium ROM states the instructions are to install HardSPL 3.56. I have read how to do this and it seems pretty self explanitory in the instructions. After that, then I flash the rom, once the rom is complete, I do a hard reset on the phone.
Am I correct in those steps?
Now, my next question.
I have read here in the wiki that I need to ensure that I am using the correct Radio for my phone. Confused here a little bit.
Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 has this little disclaimer on the second post,
There will be 3 roms compatable with the latest AT&T Radios 1.65.14.06 and Radio 1.65.17.10
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Does this mean I have to hunt down a specific version of the radio in order to use this ROM?
Thanks again for the help.
738 posts does not mean I should know how to read a sticky. Most of the stickys on the Wizard forum werent stickys when I read them....
And I have worked with alot of the authors of those stickys too.

There are a few things you want to do:
First, install a hardspl I would recommend 3.28, 3.29, or 3.56
Second, security unlock your device
Third, Flash a Rom. A majority of the rom's here come with radio's. The best radio's available right now are 1.65.20.29 (great with getting a quick gps fix and fairly stable) 1.58.25.17 (which is compatible with almost every cooked rom here which offers great battery life and fairly stable reception at least in my area) or the newest available radio which is in my signature (offers decent gps fix, great reception and a decent battery life.
It is easier to learn as you go rather than attempt to cram it in all at once.
Good luck

Thank you red.
I just dont want to brick my tilt first attempt. I guess what im looking for is a quick rom, very stable and has no bloatware.
I think iwill work on the device with standard rom first so that I can learn the device itself. Then i will start reading rom release posts...... every page.
I like to have all info before i take the first step. expecially on something this expensive.

Need help finding out whats been done to my Tilt.

Hi!
This week I bought a Tilt secondhand. I'm sure that some work has been done to it. First I noticed that the previous owner has using a non AT&T SIM, I'm an AT&T subscriber, so at least it's sim unlocked. Then I noticed that when I turn it on there's no AT&T animation, there's a HTC animation. I also noticed that when I turn it on or soft reset it, after the "Smart Computing" comes up, there're some numbers in the lower right corner.
R: 1.65.17.56
G: 25.83.40.02H
D: 3.28.00.00
I registered here before I decided to buy the Tilt and I read many of the treads, so I know that many kinds of ROMs and programming exists for this device. So, what I want to know is how do I know what was done, installed, changed to this Tilt?
Thanks

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like whoever last owned the device flashed an HTC ROM onto it.
Dave

Easy. Go to Start>Settings>System>Device Information You should be able to read the ROM version installed.

Yeah I guessed they changed the original rom, the rom installed is 3.28.405.0 WWE, DATE 05/02/08, radio 1.65.17.56 & protocol 25.83.40.02H. Still that doesn't tell me much.

I need to know which of all the ROM I read mentioned on the forums is the one installed, I need to know if there's a better alternative & I need to read a whole lot more to understand all my options here.

you just need to flash and find out for yourself don't ask "what is the best rom" its a matter of opinion and you can get banned for asking that.
here are some links to get you started with flashing
ROM flashing FAQ
Introduction to ROM flashing
MODS PLEASE CLOSE THREAD

Headroom said:
I need to know which of all the ROM I read mentioned on the forums is the one installed, ...
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Simply compare it with the SHIPPED ROM List in the WIKI! I am sure they flashed the ORIGINAL SHIPPED HTC Rom ... ! BTW: If it is the original AT&T Tilt, then they have (for sure) performed a SIM UNLOCK and in addition a CID UNLOCK. From my point of view, I do not concider an item as NEW if someone did this to a device!
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... I need to read a whole lot more to understand all my options here.
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Yeah, I guess you really have to do some READ-UP! Start here ...

Thanks Junner2003!!
This is the kind of information I was looking for. I suppose that the higher the rom number, the more updated the rom is?

In general: it is a newer ROM if the number is higher. However, that does not necessary mean that the ROM is better. Newer ROMs contain for sure BUG FIXES for older ROMs but mostly contain a whole bunch of new bugs as well.
If you stick with an older ROM, it has the advantage that often users came up with a BUG FIX for well known issues or at least they can provide some kind of workaround.

OK so I checked the ROM Wiki and found my rom number (3.28.405.0 WWE). Would it be correct to say that the upgrade would be 3.34.721.2 WWE? Is the country code what defines what I can use?
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I must be real slow because I get timeout & have to relogin before I can finish an answer to any post.

Headroom said:
OK so I checked the ROM Wiki and found my rom number (3.28.405.0 WWE). Would it be correct to say that the upgrade would be 3.34.721.2 WWE? Is the country code what defines what I can use?
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I must be real slow because I get timeout & have to relogin before I can finish an answer to any post.
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WWE is World Wide English so if you speak English it would probably not be a good idea to flash a rom in a foreign language like Australian or something.
Yes it is the newest rom , released in Oct
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439408