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Windows CE 6 Fully Released

But, this is a developer kit and likely virtual CE6.
And any device hasn't WinCE 6 i think, so what is important with this..
https://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/default.mspx
"Choose right system for your device" sad microsoft but no one have wm 2006 device.
Is any body can give better explanation here. I'm amazed...

Isnt the embedded branch quite diffrent to the mobile branch, though?

EQUANCY: AFAIK some people (at least one) do have Crossbow working on a WM5 device. So long as you get full driver support, theoretically the OS should work on existing hardware...
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No not completelly
Percz said:
Isnt the embedded branch quite diffrent to the mobile branch, though?
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"There is no branch of WinCE OS's
This is a development kit and work with an emulator, You may develop pda applications in VisualBasic 2005 with this plug-in"
But i curious first of WC 2006 devices will come 2e Q'r of 2007, i find some explanation and comment about it.
And if you develop a winCE 6 application with this software... how do you publish it? for what.
vijay555 said:
EQUANCY: AFAIK some people (at least one) do have Crossbow working on a WM5 device. So long as you get full driver support, theoretically the OS should work on existing hardware...
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but only theoretically sad you. How do you get support for unpublished operating system? I think Windows Mobile systems produced especially for devices.
Now,
If I try install Windows Mobile 2006 to my BlueAngel there is no drivers in wm2006 of Blueangel hardwares ( Bluetooth, Phonesupport etc... )
I think so..

CE 6 Has a slew of improvements, and amongst others:
* number of concurrent process increased from 32 to 32000
* mem allocation limit increased from 32MB to 2GB per process
* strict separation between user mode and kernel mode
* user mode drivers
The changes tap everywhere, including driver achitecture. I bet WM5-2003 BA drivers won't be compatible with this beast... unfortunately.

EQUANCY:
How do you get support for unpublished operating system? I think Windows Mobile systems produced especially for devices.
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That's the whole point - IF you can get the drivers, ie if your manufacturer releases a properly made version of the OS, there's no reason why it shouldn't work on current hardware. However, like the WM5 for BA hack, it's clear that incomplete OS releases aren't perfect.
But, WM6 is working on current hardware, but it's up to the manufacturer to finalise it and release it, and somehow make some money out of their effort.
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that's quite a few infos there brazialian joe. let's hope we get wince 6.0 to play around soon

imatrix said:
that's quite a few infos there brazialian joe. let's hope we get wince 6.0 to play around soon
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I would love to see it, but I would want to see a 100% functionally complete release of a WM5 ROM for the BA first. We are closer than ever now, with just a few niggles pending...
Imagine everyone goes ballistic on CE 6 and completely forgets about WM5. We are SO close to a perfect ROM, with the latest Helmi releases... I hope the WM5 BA ROMs get the last pieces in place before the first WM6 devices are released, so that we can have a great upgrade in our hands, and then this forum will EXPLODE with development efforts trying to shoehorn WM6 on Wizard/Universal/TyTN/Excalibur/Artemis/etc/etc/etc...

and you forgot BA

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and you forgot BA
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Hey, I wrote etc/etc/etc, have you missed it?
I wanted to highlight that we now have a somewhat small enthusiast community revolving around putting WM5 on a machine which only has official support for 2003SE (but packs more than enough punch to run WM5, thank you ). With the coming of CE6/WM6, ALL machines which officially run WM5 will fall into the same state of the BA, and we will have a much bigger community trying to get CE6 run run on much wider number of devices.
I believe the way to go with CE6/WM6 in xda-developers will be to have a single ROM Kitchen effort, because there are several different machines which are more-or-less the same platform. We have a TI OMAP 850 family (wizard/artemis etc), an Intel Xscale family, (himalaya/blue angel/universal etc), Now a Samsung family starting up (TyTN), I think it will make sense to have a more unified effort to put CE 6 on all these devices. I think a ROM Kitchen which covers all different devices would save duplicated effort for all devices...

Brazilian Joe said:
We are SO close to a perfect ROM, with the latest Helmi releases...
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this is a joke of the MONTH !! DDDDDD

Brazilian Joe said:
Hey, I wrote etc/etc/etc, have you missed it?
I wanted to highlight that we now have a somewhat small enthusiast community revolving around putting WM5 on a machine which only has official support for 2003SE (but packs more than enough punch to run WM5, thank you ). With the coming of CE6/WM6, ALL machines which officially run WM5 will fall into the same state of the BA, and we will have a much bigger community trying to get CE6 run run on much wider number of devices.
I believe the way to go with CE6/WM6 in xda-developers will be to have a single ROM Kitchen effort, because there are several different machines which are more-or-less the same platform. We have a TI OMAP 850 family (wizard/artemis etc), an Intel Xscale family, (himalaya/blue angel/universal etc), Now a Samsung family starting up (TyTN), I think it will make sense to have a more unified effort to put CE 6 on all these devices. I think a ROM Kitchen which covers all different devices would save duplicated effort for all devices...
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well said,joe

starik said:
this is a joke of the MONTH !! DDDDDD
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Seems some ppl don't share my view... but with every release we get more features and fixes available. In the last ROMs we achieved an incredible speed boost thanks to mamaich pagepool tweak. We still have a few issues but it is very usable as-is. The next release will integrate a few fixes in power management and wifi, and we also have an alternative bluetooth stack. There is also Connection Sharing which is replacing WModem for PCs to browse using GPRS (for AKU 3.0+). We still have the problem that MS stack has a hard time on running A2DP, and the alternative Broadcom is having issues with Headset/Handsfree, but there is ongoing effort to solve it. The application compatibility problem is something inherent to the upgrade to AKU 3.0, thus not specific to BA. What else do you want?

????!!!!!!!!!!
a "Mashed Potato" maybe? joke..
I want that WM6.0 in my BA.. perfectly!!!!!!!!!

It is a point of view
borjok536 said:
a "Mashed Potato" maybe? joke..
I want that WM6.0 in my BA.. perfectly!!!!!!!!!
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Bro it will not rock the skyes for you I'm sure!
Remember every next generation operating system is meant for better, bigger and fater devices. So WM6 will have more benefits for the newer devices not for ours. So at some point it might be better to have AKU 4 instead of the original WM6. Remember when Microsoft released the XP. Most of the people were angry because of the slugishnes... right. OK couple of years later with better machines more mem etc. nobody was complaining. Now I got my Vista and it is OK. Not faster not slower, though I put 2G of mem. Now everibody is angry because there is no drivers, when you put it on 512MB mem (where the XP excels) it will be dead as a rock.
You got my point. It is the same with the phones. Now the phones are PC and the WM5,6,7 is the OS. It was not long time ago when the PC were 500Mhz right? Our generation phones are 200Mhz. the next ones are 500Mhz and the next gen of mem is 16GB 32GB so that's what the WM6 is meant for. So don't expect too mutch. After all the OS is combination of functionality, speed, look and reliability. Ask me if I will change my company's 50 PCs with the Vista? It will not happen untill 2 years, maybe 3! After all I just want my business runing. And if I use Windows Mobile for business, ie. sales, remote access, DB etc. I will prefer cheaper mobile devices (older is OK) but with the functionality of WM6 ie. AKU5,6,7 i dont care. So this forum will stay here for long long time and it will not stop working on AKUs for WM5 until there are devices that can not sustain WM6. Of courece it will cover WM6 with AKUs...
Cheers

tubeme said:
Bro it will not rock the skyes for you I'm sure!
Remember every next generation operating system is meant for better, bigger and fater devices. So WM6 will have more benefits for the newer devices not for ours. So at some point it might be better to have AKU 4 instead of the original WM6. Remember when Microsoft released the XP. Most of the people were angry because of the slugishnes... right. OK couple of years later with better machines more mem etc. nobody was complaining. Now I got my Vista and it is OK. Not faster not slower, though I put 2G of mem. Now everibody is angry because there is no drivers, when you put it on 512MB mem (where the XP excels) it will be dead as a rock.
You got my point. It is the same with the phones. Now the phones are PC and the WM5,6,7 is the OS. It was not long time ago when the PC were 500Mhz right? Our generation phones are 200Mhz. the next ones are 500Mhz and the next gen of mem is 16GB 32GB so that's what the WM6 is meant for. So don't expect too mutch. After all the OS is combination of functionality, speed, look and reliability. Ask me if I will change my company's 50 PCs with the Vista? It will not happen untill 2 years, maybe 3! After all I just want my business runing. And if I use Windows Mobile for business, ie. sales, remote access, DB etc. I will prefer cheaper mobile devices (older is OK) but with the functionality of WM6 ie. AKU5,6,7 i dont care. So this forum will stay here for long long time and it will not stop working on AKUs for WM5 until there are devices that can not sustain WM6. Of courece it will cover WM6 with AKUs...
Cheers
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Blue angel has 400 mHZ
I heard that wm6 was designed to work on devices of about 200 mHZ.
I get ur point about the memory though, but we have SD cards

Hey guys, it would be better to first read about something before posting your nice but totally wrong imaginations. WinCE6 is connected with WM6 in no way. WM6 is still based on WinCE5. It is only a bit optimized and "nicefied" version of WM5.

Android os on wing?

Hi there .. i wounder how to put android on my s730
Can i have it in swedish language?
Since im a fan of linux .. used most of the distros.
So this is on my want-to-install list
Since linux is 200times better than windows and uses less "****" it would be nice to try out.
And if it doesnt work ill flash mine instead and put the new os 6.1... but i rather get linux working any ideas?

ALXdenIII said:
Hi there .. i wounder how to put android on my s730
Can i have it in swedish language?
Since im a fan of linux .. used most of the distros.
So this is on my want-to-install list
Since linux is 200times better than windows and uses less "****" it would be nice to try out.
And if it doesnt work ill flash mine instead and put the new os 6.1... but i rather get linux working any ideas?
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hmm
fun to see someone trying linux on a wings
going off on a tangent, not too sure about your language, I have linux server at home and eee laptop, as well as 1 vista PC, 1 vista laptop and 1 XP latop and can tell you that vista is far more advanced and resiliant then linux as a desktop OS.
Windows Mobile is also one of MS's best. Very fast and stripped down, surprisingly still using the NT kernel. An amazing OS invention which is still one of the best HALs, allowing use on any CPU. Linux started as a monolithic kernel and only became component based in version 2 . NT kernel is well ahead.
Meanwhile I love my eee PC 900 on xandros. All OSes, inc. Apple (shock/horror) have their + and - points.
.... end of rant.
do you have a english version of android ?

colonel said:
An amazing OS invention
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Tell us about how secure is this "amazing invention".
Linux started as a monolithic kernel and only became component based in version 2 .
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Linux is still a monolithic kernel today, and it's a design decision.
Based on performance.
HTC Wing / P4350 (Herald) is very similar to HTC Wizard, so on all linux -related
issues one should check the Wizard development.

Its nice that the P4350 wing is similar to the wizard, but this is the S730 wings

Reinman said:
Its nice that the P4350 wing is similar to the wizard, but this is the S730 wings
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Ok, the MSM7200-based devices are certainly more difficult to deal with.
Have you checked the kernel for kaiser ?

Hi guys. I want linux becuse i think it has more thrust than vista..
I tried vista both beta tests and orginal. I absolutly hate it.
Stupid pop-up windows not thrusted computing at all.. no own control.
Anyone who has tried it?

You have tried it and failed apparently. You can shut the whining security off... Tho you defeat vista's way of making your computer "safe".

Reinman said:
You have tried it and failed apparently. You can shut the whining security off... Tho you defeat vista's way of making your computer "safe".
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Nopp never tried it .. therefor i asked if anyone has tried it.. read the post?
So to back to subject has anyone tried it out?

Thats not what your post says.
I tried vista both beta tests and orginal. I absolutly hate it.
Stupid pop-up windows not thrusted computing at all.. no own control.
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WinMo 6.5 on HTC Touch HD?

Hey all
What do you reckon the chances are that when the next Win Mobile version 6.5 comes out, we'll be able to put it on the HD? The early previews look like it could really fix a lot of the current WinMo issues...but will there be an update for the HD?

okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

What do you reckon the chances are that when the next Win Mobile version 6.5 comes out, we'll be able to put it on the HD?
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one hundred percent

That's what I was hoping to hear, thank you! Really hope Microsoft finally listens to the critics and does something impressive with v6.5 and eventually 7.

Wvga
For the real support 800x400 we have to wait for WM7.x

Hi SatScan. Can you elaborate please? Are you saying that in fact it won't be easy to update the HD to WM6.5, but we'll need to wait until WM7? Do you think WM7 is likely to be much more resource intensive, such that the memory and CPU of the HD wont be adequate?

dkwalsh said:
Hi SatScan. Can you elaborate please? Are you saying that in fact it won't be easy to update the HD to WM6.5, but we'll need to wait until WM7? Do you think WM7 is likely to be much more resource intensive, such that the memory and CPU of the HD wont be adequate?[/quote
No, i just say WM6.5 is still VGA and not Wvga supporting "out the box"
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WM6.5 ? Do not expect something from this... The only way to have a finger friendly phone is, imho, pointui 2...
Maybe WM7, but release at the end of the year... WM is again in late...

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No, i just say WM6.5 is still VGA and not Wvga supporting "out the box"
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Windows Mobile 6.1 supports WVGA already, so why 6.5 should not support it?

Yesterday I've tried the beta WM6.5 build that is floating on the web. I hope that what I've seen is all due to the beta state of the build.
Many many things don't work. For example, g-sensor doesn't work, camera doesn't work, all "not hardware buttons"(phone button, home button...), work like softkey...
But I've to say that yesterday was only a try, I've done all in a speedy way. I'll try other things in these days. I hope these things can be fixed.

Windows Mobile 6.5 leaks and skeptics'
http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_mobile_65_leaks_and_skeptics_predictions_come_true-news-749.php

davideuck said:
Yesterday I've tried the beta WM6.5 build that is floating on the web. I hope that what I've seen is all due to the beta state of the build.
Many many things don't work. For example, g-sensor doesn't work, camera doesn't work, all "not hardware buttons"(phone button, home button...), work like softkey...
But I've to say that yesterday was only a try, I've done all in a speedy way. I'll try other things in these days. I hope these things can be fixed.
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On what device did you test it?

NeoS2007 said:
On what device did you test it?
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According to the functionality he has mentioned I guess it was our lovely Blackstone .

johnpatcher said:
According to the functionality he has mentioned I guess it was our lovely Blackstone .
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Obviously I'm on Blackstone

It's only a few builds up from the latest Blackstone ROM, so it is not even close to a beta or even the final thing.

and its loaded with original 6.1 stuff....

But it obviously can be used for cooking
Good news. We can have a 6.5. looking ROM before Microsoft ships it.

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But it obviously can be used for cooking
Good news. We can have a 6.5. looking ROM before Microsoft ships it.
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That's a worderfull news!

Windows 7, Windows mobile 7 and office 14 are all very likely to be released at the same time, late 2009 / v.v.v.early 2010 latest January.

Yes, but as I've said for now all it's really buggy. The principal problem is that autorun doesn't work with this build, then many things releted to it don't work.
In addition, I've tried to use some of the cabs to make working the new WM6.5 today but for now it doesn't work, when I install them I do a soft reset then the device freeze before opening the today, same thing if I cook they directly into the rom. I've tried in different ways but for now nothing to do.
But I'll see what I can do in the next days.

The fastest Windows version in currently Windows 7 build 7022... see the review

XTReview has just released a very very interesting benchmark of the latest build of Windows 7 leaked on the internet.
The results are very interesting .. because it is currently the fastest system ... even faster than XP SP3 (but in average it's very close, we can't really say that it is faster .. but as Win7 increases usability... it is not that untrue to say that).
If they keep working that hard on performances, Win 7 should be the fastest windows (between XP, Vista and 7 .. because others are not interesting to compare because of different drivers and features).
If you want to read : Windows 7 build 7022 reviewed by XTReview
Enjoy

koala996 said:
XTReview has just released a very very interesting benchmark of the latest build of Windows 7 leaked on the internet.
The results are very interesting .. because it is currently the fastest system ... even faster than XP SP3 (but in average it's very close, we can't really say that it is faster .. but as Win7 increases usability... it is not that untrue to say that).
If they keep working that hard on performances, Win 7 should be the fastest windows (between XP, Vista and 7 .. because others are not interesting to compare because of different drivers and features).
If you want to read : Windows 7 build 7022 reviewed by XTReview
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I have downloaded and tried the 7022. It has many bugs. At this moment the best is the 7000, for me. The 7022 does not recognize the wifi driver.

siriokeliang said:
I have downloaded and tried the 7022. It has many bugs. At this moment the best is the 7000, for me. The 7022 does not recognize the wifi driver.
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ah :/ ... really ?
I want to try it but I need to get the installation of Windows 7 on an external disk working before..
can you write a little more about the bugs you have seen ? thank you !

drivers...

Hey all!
I just got a new kaiser, currently am using a clean 6.5 rom.
I've been searching the internet for the past few days because my phone runs programs slowly, the scrolling is laggy (compared to my asus p535 witch is 3 years old). I found out that it has some drivers missing for it to run smoothly, but all the info i found is like two years old like 2008 may or so... I found that 3d drivers are available but the 2d are not yet fixed. Since this information is 2 years old i thought maybe someone can update me slightly? are the drivers fixed now? or will i never have the opportunity to enjoy my new device as a powerfull pocket pc?
Thanks in advance.

or will i never have the opportunity to enjoy my new device as a powerfull pocket pc?
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There is a reason there is no updates to be found.

what do you mean?

lol
I mean that there isn't any sort of post about it because there is nothing to post about. I quoted the answer from your post that applies to what you want to know.
The new roms have the lastest and greatest of things mixed in. The phone is going to run slow foreeeeevvvvvveerrrrrrr.....

i cant believe it, i just got a new phone and wow, it sucks...

The phone is 3 years old, not new by any standard.

award982 said:
i cant believe it, i just got a new phone and wow, it sucks...
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No award982, your phone does not sucks!
First the reason for your mobile programs run slowly does not mean that you are needing to change the drivers!
I have a Kaiser and it works very fast! In my experiences with several different versions of ROM, Windows Mobile 6.5 always ran slower than the 6.1!
I do not recommend trying to install any drive other than that already comes in its ROM. You have to find a ROM that works perfectly as you want!
I can recommend you 2 ROM for Kaiser: ( this is what I liked )
WinMo 6.1 (I use this)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545821
WinMo 6.5 (the best 6.5 we've tested)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543276
And remember to use HardSPL and Radio recommended by the chef!

thanks, i feel better now
I am also thinking, maybe android fixes the problem?
And mine doesn't run that slow, its just the bug with the touchscreen is that i cant stand...

award982 said:
thanks, i feel better now
I am also thinking, maybe android fixes the problem?
And mine doesn't run that slow, its just the bug with the touchscreen is that i cant stand...
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You can find a lot of stuff that can help with touchscreen sensitivity and smoother scrolling, just search for it. Try Advanced configuration tool and KaiserTweaks, they got lots of useful tweaks. Dont give up, Kaiser is a great phone, when you set it by your taste, you~ll see!