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Htc Replies to Video Driver problem!

But it does not look good for us. I think we're going to have to rely on developers to release drivers for us, not HTC
"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support."
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Then its final. no more HTC for me as this will be my last HTC device.

HTC you ruined my day. . . Well, I think that means they want a huge money donation to enable them. . .

Yeah no more HTC for me. Everyone who wanted the driver issues fix should agree that when they buy their next PPC make sure it's not an HTC

Fantastic. Perfect. Top notch. [/sarcasm]
So, in light of problems being fixed as they should be, the new issue is with what to replace the Kaiser?
Where oh where is the M8??

What they basically said is that "yea, we know there is no hardware acceleration, but if you really want it you are going to have to give us even more money by buying our next gen handset, bc we aren't fixing it in this one".
I used to rave about my 8125 to everyone. It's too bad HTC is taking the position they are. Never again will I buy a product from HTC or recommend them to anyone else. My next handset will be from i-mate.

yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard

Okay, so whos up for a nice class action lawsuit? I'm totally willing to try running HTC into the ground with one.

ericc191 said:
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/

I think we now need a sticky thread stating "Dont buy HTC products unless you've had your brain removed"
Certainly depending upon who commented to Engadget, we dont know how seriously to take this. But it does look bleak
We all know the existing drivers suck, the phone is buggy
and more to the point for a "premium" product, it doesnt fulfill some functions its predecessors could (its slower than my 3 yr old Wizard at scrolling, camera and opening/closing)

The standard, 'we already got your money response'...
Maybe it would be prudent for a written complaint to the carriers now, if they blow this off on this handset, what makes you think there won't be anything wrong with the next? Maybe they are making a promise on the next? Any takers?
?Glitch

ericc191 said:
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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That they do. they are actually releasing a kaiser killer very soon - the Ultimate 9502
It uses the exact same chipset as the Kaiser, but I'm guessing it has drivers for hardware acceleration too. It has the same specs as the kaiser (GPS, HSDPA, etc, etc) and features a VGA screen.

Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502

snif...
ah well, here's looking forward to the
toshiba g920
http://www.slashphone.com/111/9012.html
or the imate 9502
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
or whenever the he77 apple gets a 3g stick out of their a$$.

smittyofdhs said:
i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
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ah, craptastic.
well, maybe the linux-palm? or go retro and ditch the convergence altogether?

" In response to recent customer complaints about poor video performance on HTC devices based on the latest Qualcomm MSM7xxx chipsets, HTC is providing the following statement.
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smart phones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.
HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. "
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this whole statement is very ambiguous and does not state that support for imageon drivers aren't possible on current devices. i think its a pr statement and doesn't reflect what their software team is doing. its very opened ended and we could have support for acceleration but we couldn't as well. this statement doesn't tell us that.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361580
So htc said that the devices with the latest qualcomm chipsets would have 3d acceleration, but they dont. Has anyone pointed this out before. Im not a tytn ii owner, but ive been following the news, since i wanted one for myself.
But, is this false advertising, saying it will have hardware acceleration and then not giving it, and saying it will never be given in an update.
I think the 9502 is where im going too, we just need a forum on XDA for it.
Rory

Back to palm for me!!!

Guilf said:
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
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I wonder if the keyboard is comfortable.
Also, let's say I purchase this phone in March. Would HTC get any of that profit?

I agree with BlueCop, and why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Where there's a demand, drivers will follow - their source is just unclear at the moment.

WinMo 7

My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?

Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.

"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust

I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO

TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.

Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.

i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones

who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not

Rudegar said:
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !

M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.

My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.

WM 7 or Android on Diamond?

Have I understod correctly that if I buy a Diamond now (or rather Pro when available), I can possibly instal either WM 7 or Android on it? I understand that we do not know what the HW requirements for either are, and that it might prevent this. If this is possible, then where could I get the ROM's? I mean, does HTC or MS provide WM 7 updates? Or are they hacked? Android, being open, is probably available (same HW requirements) at some point, right?

Nobody can tell you if WM7 or Android will work fine on the Touch Diamond.
It is not unlikely that WM7 will work fine. Regarding Android, wait and see... since it is some sort of semi-open project, you might find a very well adapted version of it at some point if some people take care of it. You will definitely not see Android from HTC for the Diamond.
Regarding the WM7 update availability:
WM7 will not be released before next year. It is not unlikely that by this time HTC will have released or announced another PPC (with WM7 running). This makes it less likely that HTC will provide a WM7 update for the Touch Diamond or Pro.
However, developers here might put a WM7 rom together once they get hold of it. Another scenario might be that the Touch Diamond / Touch Pro are so extraordinarily successful that HTC might provide an official upgrade (but charging for the new OS).

Not a lot of the evidence doesn't seem dissonant to negating the lie that it is not not unlikely.

99% chance that WM7 will work on diamond.
It works on lower specs, a Touch dual, 400MHz with 128MB Ram, while the diamond has 528MHz with 192 Ram.
view @ 33sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
http://www.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2008/04/Picture 3-14.jpg

There's a 99% chance that video is complete a fabrication too: ad systems are rarely the "real" system... For all I can tell that can just be a full screen jpg.

Yes HTCDiamond22, but it's still gotta have support for the hardware :}
Hopefully Android will work, we'll just have to wait and see

well in the vid it seems to be working fully, not just a picture. i think that ms also said somewhere that although the requirements will be higher, it will work on some older hardware

waiting on Android-news... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002

Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7

I’d like to know if you’ll be able to upgrade your present phone from 6.1 to 6.5 and then later 7? I’ve just bought my Touch Diamond and will be using it for atleast 2 years, would be a shame if I couldnt upgrade the OS when it comes out…

Kind of like asking how long is a piece of string??? Considering no one really knows what hardware specification will be required to run either WinMo 6.5 or WinMo 7... IMHO I would say that WinMo 6.5 highly possible (Tread in Diamond ROM section with an apparently leaked version, although not for the Touch Diamond) , WinMo 7 only Micro$oft will be able to answer that one???

windows mobile is made for a specific phone... drivers, enhancements, everything. if they decide to provide us with an upgrade, we get an upgrade. if a device VERY similar to ours has it, we *might* be able to use it too. beyond that, you can't go to the store and buy it, so we're really at the mercy of everybody else involved.

According to some of the teaser details already released about Windows Mobile 7, it will likely require a capacitive screen, and the G1 is the only phone by HTC to use one so far.

We don't really know much about WM7 though. That teaser info that was released quite a while ago hinted at possible gesture recognition, multitouch, etc., but I think that release was as much marketing ploy as anything else.
I doubt that WM7 will require a capacitive screen, although I would expect that it will support them. There are a number of reasons not to ditch resistive screens. Fine detail can't be input on a capacitive screen, which causes numerous problems. Complex alphabets (Asian), legacy support for existing applications, cost... the list goes on, but requiring capacitive screens would essentially erase the entire foundation that WM is built on. I don't think MS wants to do that. The great thing about WM (and MS vs Apple in general) is that they don't tie you to one piece of hardware. You have much greater flexibility in terms of cost, features, form-factor, etc.
I was hoping for WM7 this year, but now that most announcements put WM6.5 devices at Q3-Q4, it seems highly doubtful we'll see a WM7 device until at least mid 2010. By that time I'll be ready for a new device anyway (Tegra, new Qualcomm/AMD chipset, who knows), so the issue is almost moot. I'm with you though, I'd still like to see WM7 on the Diamond/Pro/HD!

Crappy firmware rant

I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.

4.2 was obviously rushed, as was illustrated by the lack of December in the calendar. That can be fixed in time.
As regards hardware, I totally get where you're coming from. In order to make a decent profit on the handhelds, it's pretty clear that LG cut some corners in everything from components (some) to quality control. Is there a blasted thing that can be done about it from our end? No. But, we have a pretty freakin' awesome phone for $300-$350 with the latest Android. It's a tradeoff. Take it or leave it.

-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store

I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

MattSkeet said:
I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
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This is a great point, and one of the main reasons to have a Nexus device.

Nothings perfect bro look at apple maps
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app

Problems like battery drain and Maps take a long time to debug and fix. It's still
unacceptable but understandable.
Offset colors on a screen should take minutes to adjust with the proper equipment.
Seriously! It should be done right the first time. I'm reading on here that small problems
with the Galaxy Nexus were never fixed.

BigDig said:
Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store
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So because he has legitimate complaints about a device he purchased, he must not voice them and go buy an iPhone? Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Just wanted to point that out.
Sent from my HTC VLE_U using xda premium

-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....
frustrated with what?
I turn my phone on it comes on. I dial a number it calls it. I go to a web page it loads it. I stream music is streams it.
Your issue is you seem to think your little bubble of the world applies to everyone. My Phone does not have a yellowish tint. I don't use the microphone. So I don't care about distortion with it. The camera looks fine to me. But then again I aint a photo junkie. Altho if I was I'd use my Nikkon camera, not my phone....
You see, I get a nexus, and android, so that I can tinker. I can create. I can remove, I can improve. I can have the newest and latest.
You seem to get one because? I don't know what you got on for. Cause these things seem lost on you....
Do as others say, Sell it, make an extra hundy, and go get something else.....

OK you're not happy but these threads go nowhere and you can see that already so will stop it now.
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