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Another broken GPS.

Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!

Test if Google Maps finds some satelittes, just to check if there is a problem with TomTom
http://www.google.co.uk/mobile/gmm/stp-js.html
If that doesn't work, I'd reinstall the old ROM and see if the functionality returns and if it doesn't assume you have somehow broken the GPS.

funkygibbon said:
Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!
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wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.

redbandana said:
wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.
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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.

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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.
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Maybe you should read the thread that redbandana is talking about... maybe the bit about it being locked to your phone and you can't downgrade it... not really a good choice 'cos he's now stuck with that radio and also maybe stuck with WM6.1 (which also sucks - WM6.0 faster and more stable imho).

I had to do a hard reset and reinstall apps. TomTom no longer works. LiveSearch does RunGPS does. Neither TomTom or GPSTest can find the GPS. Any suggestions? When you choose other NMEA device in TomTom options are Serial on USB and COM7: that's it.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.

FWIW, my Tomtom uses the "Internal GPS" setting, not "other NMEA device"
Robert

funkygibbon said:
Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.
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This is the link for the 'dodgy radio'. It looks like it is also an AT&T only radio.

Thanks ach2. Did a search and have spent all morning readin it!
I'm now having issues with the actual phone operation, intermitant no sound or buzzing.
I think I'm going to take a chance and return it to Vodafone. They do a next day swap under our corporate contract.
If there is any comeback I'll just plead ignorance!

Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!

funkygibbon said:
Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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If you're sticking to WM6.0 (i do too) try Q-mobile 1.2 with radio 1.27.12.17 or 1.27.12.32 - they both work well in the UK.

funkygibbon said:
To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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My friend, you need this (Vodafone WM 6.1 pre release) and use it with this Niki 1.58.11.07 Radio.
Been running this for a few days and basically I've changed my opinion on my V1615 from wanting to sell to now enjoying using it.
Highlights include 30 - 55 second GPS fix in TomTom, much much better speaker phone and better call quality.
Try these out and I'm sure you'll agree.

Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.

funkygibbon said:
Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.
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Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.

-IK- said:
Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.
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What's that? Is that the one where you press end call to end a call and sometimes it locks your touch screen? If so yes, but not very often.

Yeah something to do with when you set your device with a password and it goes into sleep mode during a call and then you wake it up and the start menu stops working.

How Can I get GPS to work on my Tilt???

Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
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I don't believe Dutty Made it past v1 on the Diamond, LEO made a V9
klrob33 said:
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
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How long are you waiting? Sometimes it takes 30 minutes for me to get a fix. But if I start one of those programs then drive home, I get a fix faster.
klrob33 said:
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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Yeah, wait for it to get a lock in the other test programs, before trying to use the full blown Nav softwares.

Yeah. My mistake it's V1.
The most I've waited is 10/15 minutes. But It's really not even worth it for me to do that since that nullifies the convenience of having a phone with GPS.
Plus, how can I be sure that my phone has a GPS lock?

satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.

redbandana said:
satellites will turn green if you are using htc_gps_tool
In addition, you should download the latest updates with quickgps as well before running those tools. I usually have to download quickgps, open gps tool with the appropriate settings, open tomtom then close tomtom, download quickgps again, open gps tool with appropriate settings again, then open tomtom to get a fix less than 5 seconds on a cold start. I got it down to a T.
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What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?

klrob33 said:
What's the difference between cold, warm, and hot start in GPS Tool?
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no idea but I always start mine with com4 baud 4800 hot start

oh yeah forgot to tell you. If you are using gps tool do not hit the x button before you open your gps software because the program closes rather than minimizes, which defeats the purpose of using it to begin with.

I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?

let it run for a few minutes then open your gps software without closing gps tool. I don't think I can get a fix either without gps software being open.

klrob33 said:
I tried all those things.
I let GPS Tool run for about an hour and still never got a fix. Thanks for your help though.
If I go back to 6.0 would it work again?
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Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.

Kaze0110 said:
Bear in mind, GPS is an acronym for "Global positioning satellite" Key word there being SATELLITE, are you even going out side to try to get a signal? See, if you're in a big building, full of lead paint, there's no way to get a signal through that, try doing it again outside, in an open field, on a sunny day, and see if you have a different result.
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Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.

klrob33 said:
Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I really don't understand why you cannot get a fix using 6.1 roms. I offered all the advice I could give you. You said you use google maps, correct? If I open google maps on my device without gps being on It can still read my current position. This is just extremely odd...

klrob33 said:
Yeah. I'm not stupid. I know how it works.
If I can't get a fix sitting in my car then there's really no point. I only use it for driving directions.
This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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Why are you blaming HTC for this? You're not running an HTC ROM or even an AT&T ROM, you're running a ROM cooked up by somebody else and then blaming the manufacturer of the hardware for it. There are lot's of people with fully functional GPS on the Tilt.
You can go to the iPhone if you want, but keep in mind that there aren't any programs yet for the iPhone that give you turn by turn directions. You might have to wait a while for that brand spankin new iPhone to be able to use its GPS.

klrob33 said:
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This may end making me switch to iPhone 3G because I'm getting sick of HTC. I love the customization but I just need a phone that works. I pay too much money for this. This is getting ridiculous.
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I have a TILT - You can see the ROM I am running in my signature line. I get a fix in less than a minute and use the TOMTOM ALL the time.
The ONLY problem I have on this ROM is that I have to push the power button twice to get the screen to come on. Other than that - EVERYTHING else works a treat.
Get the iphone if you want - but there are MANY things that it cannot do that you may miss.
Bill

klrob33 said:
Ever since I flashed Dutty's diamond v9 GPS has been useless.
I've tried HTC GPS Tool and GPS test.....but they're not helping me.
GPS won't work in either google maps or Live Search.
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What redio version are you using?
I've been running Dutty's Diamond V1 for about a week now and the GPS works for me. Depending on the radio your using it may take several minutes to get a GPS fix, but it does work for me and others.
I just flashed Radio 1.65.24.36 ( found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398177 ) and it takes several minutes to get a fix the first time after a soft reset, but after that it get a fix very fast.
Good luck... Let us know how it works our for you.

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!

GPS 'Hardware' on the Tilt

hi Guys,
i have been scouring the site and i have found lots of info on getting a quick fix on the GPS and which radios work best, i have downloaded lots of radios, tried different roms but no matter what i try, I cant get a fix PERIOD. i have also googled to try and find out if the GPS itself is a replaceable part on the tilt but no info seems to be available, having said that I would definately appreciate any input, i have tried stuff like GPSgate, GPSproxy, HTC GPS tool, GPSTest, VisualGPSce, QuickGPS, QuickPosition and NONE of those tools has shown me what a GPS fix looks like, I have seen up to 8 satellites on the HTC tool, they show up and dance around for about 1 or 2 minutes and then dissapear never to be seen again until after a reboot of the phone.
i have also borrowed a friends Tilt, and placed them side by side, and watched his phone get a fix in about 1 minute, and then stuck around for about 20 more minutes and then finally end the test in frustration.
is the GPS a replaceable part?
any input would be greatly appreciated
Phone: AT&T branded TILT
ROM:Ultimate-X2.V11.Premium (wm6.5)
RADIO:1.71.09.01
Protocol:25.75.40.02.eMoH

My advice to you would be to just keep trying to find a radio ROM that works for you. I recently got a Tilt, and I flashed some odd 5 or 6 radios before I found one that enabled WiFi and GPS for me. Ironically, its the one you are currently using xD.

illspamu said:
is the GPS a replaceable part
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No but the antenna sticker (with fragile embedded tracks) is. That said, you mentioned you still get greyed out satelite details showing and changing in your nav software so that may not be an issue (you've not mentioned if this sticker above the battery bay has been disturbed at all). If you are worried about whether your new setup has contributed to the problem, the answer is simple, was it working OK before you changed the ROM/Radio or SPL from original WM 6.0?
Oh and welcome to the forum illspamu - I hope you don't live up to your name

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@ashakur
thank you, havent given up I know there is a radio out there for me.
@Flying Kiwi
thanks
I am a total newb to this, so this info about the antena is something i need to check, it is worth mentioning that i did buy this tilt with a broken screen so someone probably used it for a hockey puck, its been a great phone minus the GPS but I recently became demanding and want to see it working.
the GPS has never worked beyond showing me some satelites for a couple of minutes and its been the same regardless of ROM/Radio.
about the handle, worry not, its amazing how an email address like that can keep spammers off
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my apologies ashasaur for mispelling your name,

GPS Not working...Need help...

Hello All,
I have been using my HTC tilt since a long time now.. everythign was going good until one day i suddenly was unable to use the GPS the satellite ar no longer foung the gps link jus glows but nothing comes up as such... the GSP jus doesn;t work i search all over and changed all the com port and all the baudrate... but not helped.. I am jus flashin rom ever since at random to get my gps workin but nothin has helped... Kindly help me so i can carry on using the GPS on this phone....

vikasraj said:
Hello All,
I have been using my HTC tilt since a long time now.. everythign was going good until one day i suddenly was unable to use the GPS the satellite ar no longer foung the gps link jus glows but nothing comes up as such... the GSP jus doesn;t work i search all over and changed all the com port and all the baudrate... but not helped.. I am jus flashin rom ever since at random to get my gps workin but nothin has helped... Kindly help me so i can carry on using the GPS on this phone....
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brick if not try hard reset then flash stock rom
Hope it works soon.

Zac.Santer said:
brick if not try hard reset then flash stock rom
Hope it works soon.
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not sure what that line means..
my advice, flash to a 6.1 rom and see what happens.

ChumleyEX said:
not sure what that line means..
my advice, flash to a 6.1 rom and see what happens.
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I have tried the Shifuz Rom but didn;t help.... Also the stock rom doesn;t help wondering what could suddenly happen... and the GPS stopped workin it used to work like a chic....

What are you doing to test it? You used to have to run a program to jump start it for some reason. Quick gps maybe? All it did was measure the satelite signals.

I test if from the Mio map application and also turbo GPS app.. Quick gps is jus used to update for faster sat tracking..
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What are you doing to test it? You used to have to run a program to jump start it for some reason. Quick gps maybe? All it did was measure the satelite signals.
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Ah then it's not quick gps that was used for this. let me do some digging.
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try this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
and/or this app
http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/

GPS Test
hi,
no need to flash ur rom. just use whatever best for u. just do one thing go in to the open area or at top floor of ur house and use google maps and check the use gps option it will find automatically ur location, sometimes it often not work in room. try this. i had same problem before but when i use in open ground or on top of my roof it work great......
Good luck

Thanks janak.. Well bro those are basics of usin GPS.. there is an issue with the com port or the broad rate.. and hence i am unable to use the gps in an open envirnoment as the gps signals don;t show up... Can any share the setting with me so i could try my best again.....
janak1586 said:
hi,
no need to flash ur rom. just use whatever best for u. just do one thing go in to the open area or at top floor of ur house and use google maps and check the use gps option it will find automatically ur location, sometimes it often not work in room. try this. i had same problem before but when i use in open ground or on top of my roof it work great......
Good luck
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