Yes, you developers need to eat!
Yes, you should be paid to work!
But PLEASE think about how much you are charging. What exactly are you charging X amount for?
If you are not careful, you will do nothing but promote the Piracy of applications. I don't think you would find that acceptable, if everyone stole your work. Please just remember, that you are working on an OPEN SOURCE device. So when you take a bunch of files, do minor editing, and slap 2.99 on it, it is not worth it.
PLEASE use your brain for more then just code. THINK about the people that don't code, and think - are they going to spend $100-300 to buy all the apps for their phones? If they don't think they are getting the value, people WILL steal. Just look at the music industry!
THIS does not mean that you should just make everything free. This does mean that if you spent 10 min's making a new search bar widget (dxTop) that you probably shouldn't charge for it.
If I am wrong, please tell me, and tell me why.
Well, since you have 24 hours to return them, what's the problem?
I mean, anything under $3,- who cares? That's less than a coffee at Starbucks, when all is said and done.
I'm a video game engineer and web developer, and I charge poeople around $20/hour for my services, so if someone spends 15 minutes building an app to better your uses, then $3 I can understand. Now, I don't think a lot of the apps are worth the money because it really isnt THAT much work to do, and when you had no problem offering it for free, to now charge? Donating, thats no problem. But you shouldn't force those to buy it. Programs like BetterCut, we not available prior to paid app releases, and apposed to anycut, has multiple new and truley great features that I will in a heart beat pay $3.00.
Spending the money isn't the problem for me, $10 on an app, who cares. It's only 10 bucks. However, I just don't like the way developers went about making paying for apps a neccessity, and turning their old versions into trials. And then starting to restrict features.
When its all said and done I mean, guess there isn't much I can do but *****. If I want the app I'll buy it, I've already got 15-20 apps I've paid for so far because I find them to be necessities worth my cash. It's just stupid how it goes down.
I don't mind for people charging for apps. I haven't found the need to buy any apps yet because I haven't seen an app that interests me enough to buy it. There are a lot of apps out there and a bunch of them are getting crap reviews. I think the market just needs some time to find out what prices work and what don't. And it seems like when a good app concept comes out, another dev makes a few version.
I totally agree with you q426669,they are releasing a bunch of ****ty apps,sorry about the ****ty part....and I know you guys are busy and it´s your time.....etc....etc..When I first listened about the paid apps I was very excited thinking....cool we´re gonna start seeing nice apps,but as of now I am getting tired of stupid joke apps,flashlights etc....I don´t even feel like trying any app out,and yes I am willing to pay like I used to do with Windows Mobile.
Gonna be real interesting with the Blackberry App Store.....their lowest price starts at $3.
Anyone who buys a paid wallpaper/ringtone app deserves what they get lol. They are all out there if people search for them. I cant understand for the life of me why people have bought the paid flashlight app but ok. Developers take the time to make them so I will pay for it if its something I really want, no problem. I agree though that the apps and games coming out are pretty lame but i just ignore them. People whining about a .99 cent app are ridiculous to me, how much money do you waste on fast food and other stuff you don't need? Take that 5 bucks for your burger king and get a few cool games or apps to deck out your phone! As far as piracy of stuff its gonna happen no matter how much people charge, nothing anyone can do about it. I think making demo versions though will help cut piracy down a little.
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Wadda you prefer? To pay for software or To not pay for software?
if I see that work has been done, and whoever released it is going to loose money, then no, I buy it (ie, some dude(s) that wrote whatever like Maimichs (?) little button app). If I feel that they are evil and ripping people off anyway, then damn right I dl it and distribute it! Billy is evil. You can't tell me that his company actually deserved that much money???? 400$ for1 copoy of XP Pro? I don't think so. We all know those pragrammers are making $40 k a year, and billy made $400 mil off thier work. Not to mention that MS will see something they like, steal it, and if being sued is a real threat, buy the company out anyway.
Whatever.....
i like my software like i like my beers free and frosty
but support and such will always be better with software you pay for i guess
pay or not
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Honest..... no I'd rather not pay, I seach high and low for free software.
I only pay when I have no choice or if someone else has bought some I'll give them something so I can use thiers.
Thank god for people who like to dabble and program themselves, the joy of free spirited software and the free mind.
ah those were the days two bloody years ago :-( when this site was just a few of us!! look at it now my have u grown!!!
That's a real tough question! :shock:
Of course I would prefer no to pay for software, I mean who doesn't like free stuff. And if it's the OS, without which your expansive computer with all the latest twists is nothing more than a box with a blinking light then ever more so.
Yes I know there is Linux, but once you get hooked on M$ crap it's hard to quit.
On the other hand I am a programmer working for a small company so my livelihood depends on people buying our stuff.
So I prefer to go fined something freeware, do without or if push comes to shove to pay.
Oh, and don't think that just because I am a programmer I can write whatever I want for my self. It takes time and effort to code anything descent (strange it takes this long to get a windows version out ) and no one has the time to reinvent the wheel.
If there is an open source program equivalent, I will normally use that. But in the case of multi thousand dollar program suites like autodesk and maya, eh, no sir.
Please bear with me as I convert my thoughts into words.
We all know that symbiotic relationships work. One benefits from the other and the other benefits from the first. Taking the concept from the Driver Bounty thread, I've started to think that it would be very useful an "open air market". No, no, no...that doesn't sound right. Ok, let me use an example.
I think that S2U2 is great, but I think whats better is to have your own specialized custom unlock signature. For example, I would writing my name in cursive and the phone unlocks. Thats hell of a lot nicer than just sliding an icon. I'm willing to pay a maximum of 20 dollars to any one who makes this.
20 bucks. I can already imagine a developer thinking that its not worth their time. However, lets suppose 10 other people are interested in this app and would dish out $20 each, with 10 other people giving $10, and 20 people giving $5. Thats $400. That 400 dollars might be the threshold for a person to "take the challenge" or want to start working on that program.
Driver Bounty thread is a perfect example. Now this is taking that idea and applying to apps.
My thought is that people begin to pour our their ideas. And as ideas are generated, the reasonable ones, the feasable ones, and the worth while ones are selected. (Maybe with a poll?) And once agreed upon a certain app, those people interested would begin to put money in an "XDA Account". This "XDA Account" would just collect money and not withdraw money from peoples accounts until this threshold is met. Meaning I put my money down and it would not be withdrawn from my bank account until a person decides to create the app that is wanted. Once the app is made, he or she can walk off with the money and we can walk off with the app.
This is pretty much the exact same thing from driver bounty thread just applied to applications that people want/are thinking about.
Here are the benefits as I see it:
1. This would generate more people wanting to work on apps and not just relying on donations.
2. This would give the people want they want.
Happy Developers = Happy Users.
Now, lets suppose that my S2U2 idea (probably already been thought of before, in fact I'm sure it has) will catch on. Lets say that those certain people mentioned above would put their money down. Well, maybe a deal would be made. Those people who put their money down would get the app first, and would get updates every once in a while. Where as those who did not put their money down, who still want the app, don't get to reap the benefits.
This way I think we can bring more developers in and generate more applications. But more importantly, those guys who are working hard on these apps would be guaranteed some money, rather than waiting for donations.
Not that I'm against donations, its great! But I think this is also a good idea.
Now, this is all just in my head. I, in no way, would benefit from this as a user other than the fact that I could contribute to coming up with ideas for applications. This is just an idea that would make us all happy.
So what do you guys think? Is this a stupid idea? Has it been done before? Is it already being done and I'm just a moron for not seeing it? Or is this a good idea?
I look forward to seeing your feedback.
Feel free to be mean if this has been mentioned before. I can take it
SEE THIS: http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forum...yet to see one, but I've never looked either)
Hi I am paying for someone to make an app for me. It would be like the last.fm app where you can stream the music from the site, but it's for soundclick.com not last.fm. I would like to be able to sign into my account, view my favorite bands, rate/comment songs, Download songs to my sdcard right from the app, upload songs (for band accounts), and basically a fully functionally app that lets me use all the features on soundclick. I will pay $10 for someone to make the app. I will pay you via paypal, after the app is completed and being used on my G1.
An application like that would take a long time to create and cost way more then $10 to produce.
10 dollars? haha no comment
Lol, if you want an app like that you would have to pay way more than 10$. That app sounds really complex. I think you undervalue the amount of skill and work it takes to actually program an app. It's actually pretty hard ( I am a beginning coder myself ). Offering 10$ for something like that is almost an insult.
hmmm, but I thought making apps were free, all it took was time. and at least im offering something lmao. I could just be like I want some one to make it free lol. Well so it looks like no one's going to do it?
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hmmm, but I thought making apps were free, all it took was time. and at least im offering something lmao. I could just be like I want some one to make it free lol. Well so it looks like no one's going to do it?
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The SDK for android is free, but there's a fee to post things to the market. Not to mention that it takes a LOT of time to make. You're basically asking for months of someones time for $10.
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The SDK for android is free, but there's a fee to post things to the market. Not to mention that it takes a LOT of time to make. You're basically asking for months of someones time for $10.
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yeah, but i'm not asking for it to be posted in the market lol I said for me lol. Whatever they decide to do with it when it's done is up to them . But I see where you are coming from .
Something like that would cost at least a few thousand dollar's worth of programmer's time. I don't know anything about soundclick, but it's very likely that it wouldn't be possible to make an app without their consent/help.
Your best bet is to suggest that they make an app themselves.
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Something like that would cost at least a few thousand dollar's worth of programmer's time. I don't know anything about soundclick, but it's very likely that it wouldn't be possible to make an app without their consent/help.
Your best bet is to suggest that they make an app themselves.
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How would I go about suggesting it to them? Because don't you think i would be hard to contact the owner and have them listen to someone asking for them to make an app for android?
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How would I go about suggesting it to them? Because don't you think i would be hard to contact the owner and have them listen to someone asking for them to make an app for android?
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I would start at their Contact Page. Probably with the support email, then maybe business development if you don't get any response from support.
$10?!?!?
Are you out of your mind?
Make a real offer. I'm not a dev but I was thinking along these lines for Hero Mock Widgets:
Pay $500 per working mock Hero widgets plus 25% of profits gained.
Charge each widget $4.99 or $20 for the entire pack.
The demand for Hero ported to Cupcake is so large that I would make my $500 in less than a day (hell... maybe in just a couple of hours) since everyone would be purchasing the $20 widget pack. Then $5 would go to the dev for each download (say 1,000) download the first day (which wouldn't be too unrealistic given the demand) so the dev could easily make $1,500 for the work on release.
That would be a minimum offer!
$10... you won't even get an e-mail of interest for that. Even if it was going to be a free app on the Market. If anything you gave someone an idea to do it themselves, take the credit and charge what ever they want (like $0.99 for ten people like YOU that want it so badly) and he could make more than a lousey $10.
use imeem , they have an app
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use imeem , they have an app
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I have imeem, but I want a soundclick one. Imeem and soundclick are completely different.
Binary100100 said:
Are you out of your mind?
Make a real offer. I'm not a dev but I was thinking along these lines for Hero Mock Widgets:
Pay $500 per working mock Hero widgets plus 25% of profits gained.
Charge each widget $4.99 or $20 for the entire pack.
The demand for Hero ported to Cupcake is so large that I would make my $500 in less than a day (hell... maybe in just a couple of hours) since everyone would be purchasing the $20 widget pack. Then $5 would go to the dev for each download (say 1,000) download the first day (which wouldn't be too unrealistic given the demand) so the dev could easily make $1,500 for the work on release.
That would be a minimum offer!
$10... you won't even get an e-mail of interest for that. Even if it was going to be a free app on the Market. If anything you gave someone an idea to do it themselves, take the credit and charge what ever they want (like $0.99 for ten people like YOU that want it so badly) and he could make more than a lousey $10.
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What are you talking about??? I dont want a widget. I dont even want rights to sell the app. I just want it made so that I can use it lmao.
wait for flash player then , once flash player is integrated u should be able to use all the features of the real site
Some companies pour millions into R&D for applications, $10 would barely buy them coffee. lol. Yeah, best bet is to contact soundclick and ask them if they're developing an app for android. Or hope there a dev out there that wants it as badly as you do, and is currently creating one.
YAY 600 posts.
The $10 is hilarious but besides that it probably isn't possible. There is no public API as far as I can tell. They also you a flash music player. Meaning there is no way to make the calls to stream the music.
Either email them and request it or wait till there is a flash player in android
So to sum everything up here: zayg1, it ain't gonna happen.
If you really want someone to write it for you try http://www.rent-a-coder.com there programmers will bid down against eachother for the job, you might only have to pay someone $1k
$10? Free to make? You don't know anything. Go read a book. Sorry.
I couldn't help but notice that, on average, the Android market apps are much more expensive than apps at the iTunes store. Is this because there is much less of a clientele? If I look into the apps for jailbroken iPhone etc. the prices are more similar.
Do you guys think that the prices will come down once the Android community grows? For now I love to support programs I use (e.g. SetCPU) but over time I'd like to get the "99 cent" apps as well
The problem is kind of the opposite from developer's pov, the lions share of apps on our devices are free. Partly this is offset by ad revenue. Some of the higher prices also have to do with exchange rates, and the relative weakness of the dollar these days,
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I am not sure I agree
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I couldn't help but notice that, on average, the Android market apps are much more expensive than apps at the iTunes store. Is this because there is much less of a clientele? If I look into the apps for jailbroken iPhone etc. the prices are more similar.
Do you guys think that the prices will come down once the Android community grows? For now I love to support programs I use (e.g. SetCPU) but over time I'd like to get the "99 cent" apps as well
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I have not paid for an app yet on my Android phone. You have to look around. I don't think I can agree with your comment though about ITunes being cheaper. But, to my defense it has been awhile since I logged in on there. It seems like I was always paying for something on my iPhone
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I have not paid for an app yet on my Android phone. You have to look around. I don't think I can agree with your comment though about ITunes being cheaper. But, to my defense it has been awhile since I logged in on there. It seems like I was always paying for something on my iPhone
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that is the exact reason for some of the problems lol. android users, perhaps because they are smarter, rarely pay for apps. apple users seem to be the same people that a couple years ago were paying 5 dollars for a 15 second ringtone lol. the whole "willing to pay" aspect of the apple fanbase is the main reason why media companies, corporations, etc love to push and develop for iOS; sometimes makes me wonder if i would be happier being a chump.
real lesson though: donate/pay for android apps people! (i personally prefer donate model, but people love to be free riders, so that might not work)
Thanks for all the input! I agree with all of you. When I pay the devs here at the Android community I feel like I pay someone in person. At iTunes it will most likely be gobbled up by Apple (30%) and the big software corporations.
The main reason why I posted this was that I saw the same game at the Android market for 250% of the iTunes price... If I think something is worth buying (or donating to the creator) then I'll do it. Heck, I'd even be willing to pay if someone would develop a stable Honeycomb ROM for the NOOK!
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Thanks for all the input! I agree with all of you. When I pay the devs here at the Android community I feel like I pay someone in person. At iTunes it will most likely be gobbled up by Apple (30%) and the big software corporations.
The main reason why I posted this was that I saw the same game at the Android market for 250% of the iTunes price... If I think something is worth buying (or donating to the creator) then I'll do it. Heck, I'd even be willing to pay if someone would develop a stable Honeycomb ROM for the NOOK!
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Don't forget that Goolgle gobbles up that same 30% from developers.
Was reminiscing my HD7 days again...
When I had my HD7, most of the apps were, I will be honest, paid. Now before you pull the trigger on me, let me explain something.
A. I am not against paying for an app.
B. But is it necessary that a good app SHOULD b paid? (WhatsApp, Flipboard)
C. Many people do consider this as a deal-breaker before buying a phone. (My boss is one of them, to an extent I'm too.)
D. By good app, I don't mean mind-blowing 3D games. But basic apps like the ones mentioned above.
Shouldn't MS, being MS make deals with other brands and give the buyer some relief?
Opinions, view points, perspectives now welcome. :Z
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Apps are created to make money - or at least most of them are.
That being said there are different ways an App can make money:
1.) It connects to a service and by it's existence promotes that service or makes it easier to use that service. In those cases the service behind the App pays for the App. (Twitter, Facebook, etc. are prime examples)
2.) Advertisments - this is the route most free Apps to my knowledge take on the Play Store. Pretty obvious how this works but I actually would rather pay 99 Cent instead of having an advertisment in my face all the time.
3.) In App Purchases - those will come with WP8 but in my experience are most often used in a way that you get a basic App with severly limited functionality which is then made functional through those expensive purchases. I personally prefer to have a price upfront so I can decide if the App is worth it.
All in all and working in software development myself I believe that good apps should be payed and I do believe that they actually should cost more than they do today. People whining over a price tag of 99 Cents for something they are going to use every day. Buy a coke at McDonalds and you pay pretty much the same for it without much whining that it should be free. Most developers don't make much money on Apps (WP or otherwise) with prices being what they are. This is by the way one of the reasons why many developers go iOS first - iPhone users are far more likely to pay for an App than Android users (looking at the statistics).
Prices being what they are Microsoft and Nokia in certain regions added a gift card to phone purchases worth 20$/€. This might be an interesting strategy for the future as well.
No, the phone itself was probably expensive enough.
The monthly bill is probably more than you are getting out of it.
Where does it stop ?
Television was once free in many places, now I believe everybody pays for it.
If you want "premiuim" channels you pay more again.
We pay for internet connections.
If the developer of an application wants to charge for it so be it, if he wants it to be free so be it.
Freedom of choice.
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When TV is free it is paid for by the country that operates it. Somewhere someone has to pay for it. If it is payed through taxes you also pay for it although you might not notice. Pay-TV-channels are new - which means: they would not exist were they not payed. It is the same for many of those Apps. If Microsoft were to intervene to get certain Apps for free on the platform they would have to regain that cost somewhere which perhaps would drive up the per-unit-pricing of the phones.
I'm not trying to force people to make their App payed, of course it's the developers choice. But all this whining about 99 Cents for a good App you use frequently just has to stop. Effort goes into making those Apps, people spend time implementing and polishing them. They should receive something for that.
Soo, here i am thinking about the newest (and first) WP8 phone ever announced, the Samsung (insert weird name here).
Now on android i am having 90~ apps that i use daily.. now i am pretty sure i'll find them once the OS get's released but if everything will be paid that's a dealbreaker for me.. i don't want to pay too much for a phone and (0.99$ per app) 90~ $ more.
So nope, for me they should be free, actually app developers should decide.
Most of the apps on my last 3 wp7s were paid and most of them were awful. I do not mind paying for apps at all.
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Television was once free in many places, now I believe everybody pays for it.
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If your in the US, TV is free if you can live with the programming you will get. FCC mandates that all HDTV channels (non premium channels)are broadcasted over the air.
Depending on where you live you can get some but, you might only get a few (I get 4 and not the major networks but, it is free)
Not everyone pays for it...but, most people pay because they want more than 5-7 channels.
As for the topic on hand. I think there should be free apps, some apps I will never use if I can't try them.
It amazes me how cheap some people are! Devs work there nuts off to bring you apps and you don't think they should get paid for that hard work?
MS will NEVER demand that all apps be paid apps that's crazy1 They limit the daily submissions to stop crapware like soundboards that plague the play store. Its a choice the dev makes and most offer you the choice with free versions supported by adds or paid versions (supertube for instance). The WP market place even has a section for free apps and games etc and some rock (archery for one).
All in all i think MS has done a great job keeping app standards high. They could of gone the Android route and let anything pass just to get the numbers up but they didnt! Also not MS offer trials when android and ios normally have lite versions though i see more slipping into the market.