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GPS Software on Diamond

Which GPS software works best?
I am having difficulty installing CoPilot 7 (came with my Cruise but I never used it so I have the license and maps). I'm looking for something that has support for GCC maps because I'm in Dubai

Can I ask what issues you are having with installing Copilot? I was thinking of running Copilot 7 when I get my device and would be interested to hear. Is it because the Diamond doesn't have an MicroSD slot and Copilot only comes on SD? Or is it because it is a Cruise specific version?
Incidently, found this on the Copilot support site ("How do I recreate my V7 PPC SD card ?") which may help...
http://support.alk.eu.com/cgi-bin/alk.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=649&p_created=1194449850&p_sid=v9jItB5j&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0yMDUmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1
Looking at the PDF it contains, it theoretically should allow you to install to and run on the Diamond. Don't know until I get my Diamond, but worth a go.
Good luck.

I'd really like to get Copilot working. The one I have is Copilot 7 but the message I get is "you are not authorized to install this version of the software on this device" - although the Copilot Central [PC] software recognises the phone as a compatible device!

Did you register Copilot on your Cruise?
Have you posted a support question to ALK? They may have an answer.
Sounds like its either pre-registered on another device, or more likely, it isn't compatible with WM6.1. Have you downloaded the latest version through Copliot Live. I think they did an update amonth or so ago. Hopefully that may be WM 6.1 compatible.

I got my Cruise in April and never registered or even installed Copilot so it's definitely not been used. Still fiddling around with it before I post a support question as I've only had the phone a few hours. Thanks for the tip- checking now for an update

I haven't got my diamond ... yet.
But with Co-pilot 6 I had a similar error, and needed to "uninstall" the license via the web just to upgrade 6.0.1 to 6.0.4. In CP6 this was a bit of a pain, according to the documentation it should be easier with CP7??

CoPilot Live 7 : Fixed
Darrenives said:
Did you register Copilot on your Cruise?
Have you posted a support question to ALK? They may have an answer.
Sounds like its either pre-registered on another device, or more likely, it isn't compatible with WM6.1. Have you downloaded the latest version through Copliot Live. I think they did an update amonth or so ago. Hopefully that may be WM 6.1 compatible.
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The upgrade did the trick. Works perfectly now with my maps.
Thanks!!

I've got Tom Tom 6 loaded up working fine!

WorldIRC said:
I've got Tom Tom 6 loaded up working fine!
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Does it have GCC/UAE/Middle East maps??

mkhattab said:
Does it have GCC/UAE/Middle East maps??
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No I have my own USA and Canada maps loaded up!

WorldIRC said:
No I have my own USA and Canada maps loaded up!
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Thought so...
CoPilot is pretty good. To be honet I hadn't heard of it until I got it with my Cruise but the maps look great!

i am using Garmin Mobile xt on my Diamond with canada-Us maps and it work perfectly

Does anyone knows an application that shows me the current speed and the geographical height?

mkhattab said:
The upgrade did the trick. Works perfectly now with my maps.
Thanks!!
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Glad the upgrade worked. Can't wait to get my Diamond now to run Copilot on it.

Garmin Mobile Xt
hi, try Garmin, works fine with Diamond.
i have it on mine with all GCC maps sea and land http://www.ce4arab.com/vb7/showthread.php?t=114725

binayaf said:
hi, try Garmin, works fine with Diamond.
i have it on mine with all GCC maps sea and land http://www.ce4arab.com/vb7/showthread.php?t=114725
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Fantastic!
Checking it out now- I was just doing research into the different GCC-supported GPS apps. Thanks!!

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Does it have GCC/UAE/Middle East maps??
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Hi there,
i have been having the same sort of problems as you did, i ca't figure out which GPS program to use with my HTC Diamond, and it's a hassle finding maps for Egypt and that are also compatible with the program.
Can you help out in any of these points, i'd apreciate it.

mkhattab said:
The upgrade did the trick. Works perfectly now with my maps.
Thanks!!
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Where did you get the upgrade from if you don't mind me asking.
I used to have a Cruse (with TT), then I lost it just as the MWg Atom V came out So I purchased CoPilot 7 at the same time but never installed it when I realised the MWg was a load of C*********. Now I have a Diamond and an unused CoPilot 7 that I would like to use. I have used the update in the CoPilot Central program. but still no joy.

S0ylentK said:
Where did you get the upgrade from if you don't mind me asking.
I used to have a Cruse (with TT), then I lost it just as the MWg Atom V came out So I purchased CoPilot 7 at the same time but never installed it when I realised the MWg was a load of C*********. Now I have a Diamond and an unused CoPilot 7 that I would like to use. I have used the update in the CoPilot Central program. but still no joy.
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Possible upgrade to Copilot Central required - I had a similar problem
This was the instruction I was sent by ALK...
1. Please ensure you have exited CoPilot Central on your PC
2. Download the Central Update by going to http://www.alk.eu.com/files/v7/Central_v0.5.52.4_patch.exe and click OPEN / RUN when asked to in your web browser.
3. You should see a message saying "This patch will update CoPilot Central to the latest version". Click OK to proceed
4. Click START and the update will start extracting files to the default location where CoPilot Central is installed to - this should be C:\Program Files\CoPilot\Central - if you have installed CoPilot Central to a different location, please ensure that the patch is installed to the appropriate location.
5. Once complete, start CoPilot Central and go into HELP | ABOUT and you should now see 0.5.108.0​
Also to download the latest version of the mobile app manually try here...
http://support.alk.eu.com/cgi-bin/alk.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=638&p_created=1194347363&p_sid=8_z5IJaj&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0yMDUmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1
Good luck!

horstborsch said:
Does anyone knows an application that shows me the current speed and the geographical height?
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I think most of the GPS programs do, but you could try out GPS tuner, which turns your phone into a gps (not turn by turn navigation).

What GPS software

Does anyone know of any other GPS software available for the Kaiser I'm currently using TOMTOM but was wondering what others were available. I need it to have UK maps and I also travel to Florida fairly often so maps for there would be nice too.
I dont want this to turn into another " What is the best GPS software" thread. Just what is available out there and possibly a link to trial versions (if your feeling nice)

livefastdiefun87 said:
Does anyone know of any other GPS software available for the Kaiser I'm currently using TOMTOM but was wondering what others were available. I need it to have UK maps and I also travel to Florida fairly often so maps for there would be nice too.
I dont want this to turn into another " What is the best GPS software" thread. Just what is available out there and possibly a link to trial versions (if your feeling nice)
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GARMIN Mobile XT.

shameless bump

You always have the one that Orange do?????

garmin...igo

hay00c2 said:
You always have the one that Orange do?????
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No NEVER!!!! use orange maps lol

Windows Live Search Mobile. Great software from Microsoft. Since you're UK based it has maps available for the UK and US. Hope you have a data plan though because it downloads maps on the fly.

I use a combination of tomtom, garmin,google and live search moblie....tomtom is more responsive, performance wise compared to garmin. Garmin is more refined and has some neat features.Bottomline, it all depends on personal preference.

Sygic McGuider

garmin seems nice. i know you can load your own custom poi's, and not be limited to 10mb like on a gps unit!!!

How about Navigon MobilNavigator.
I have been using it on my Kaiser ever since I got the Kaiser (I used it on a Herald, a Wizard and a Universal before) and I have always been very happy with it.
I find that the route planning is the best available.
Give it a try.
Good luck with your choice.
nebc100

I've tried a few different GPS apps and I think that the new iGO8 beats them all. Give it a shot... can't say anything about the maps in UK and US though.

Destinator...

Wayfinder - can subscribe to another country for a month or more.

did anyone had problems with wm 6.1 and igo 6 plus?
since i had instaled wm 6.1 (the official htc release) ..i couldn't reinstall igo 6 plus...

Yes
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Sygic McGuider
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Totally agree, this is some great software, the maps are in great detail and the signposts/exit direction signs are lovely. Really easy to see. Then theres the TTS, best one yet - it actually says 'take exit off motorway, junction 3a' in a non robotic way. Its all good..
Google this - Sygic McGuider - and you'll find it..

I personaly use miomaps mainly becasue, you can put on whatever maps you want and all the United States are divided up. The program plus Florida maps is under 92mb

I use iGuidance 4, it gives you door to door directions and works well with my at&t tilt. I use GPS Utilities if I am out camping and hiking.

maporama is pretty good - used it on my i780
http://shop.maporama.com/index.php?cPath=43
but I use tt6 on my kaiser

My personal choice...
I've tried destinator, route 66, sygic...
was a staunch tomtom 6 fan until I got my hands on ;-) a copy of IGO 8 - it really has all the best features from all the other systems in one app. The speed camera support is phenomenal - if you pass the start of an average speed camera, it monitors your average speed and tells you if you go above it until you get past the average speed camera zone... and with static cameras, it only beeps if you're speeding, and keeps beeping until you slow down (Route66 is the only other that does this)...
There is also a Text to Speech engine (TTS) so if you want it to, it will actually speak the road names.
You can just copy the relevant files to your sd card and run it from there without installing it...
Message me if you need more info...

Copilot Live 7 Diamond Edition

Just came across this while bowsing the pocket GPS site. Anyone tried it, looks like a good alternative to TT7 and would be less hasle installing the maps.
http://www.alk.eu.com/diamond/

I'm already running Copilot 7 on my Diamond. I don't think this version is any different but I could be wrong. Installation of the standard version was easy anyway.

I purchased the Diamond version of CoPilot 7 from Handango. It installed quickly & easily. It's VGA & uses the scroll wheel to zoom in & out.
I haven't fully tested it yet but first use on foot lagged. I have messed a bit since so hopefully it will be better.
The gps picked up pretty quickly and accurately so happy there.

Copilot 7
hello,
Can you test it in your car ? and report if it lag like Tomtom navigator 7 or not.
tanks in advance.
@++

Lag? I've not noticed any lag and having used TT for several years now I'd likely be quite sensitive to any delays..
Mathew

I've been using the 7-day trial version of CoPilot7 on my Compact IV, and I have to say, the route planning seems to be WAAAAY better than TomTom5 on my MDA Pro! Not to mention that it seems you get traffic info on the CoPilot. Apparently, T-Mobile customers can upgrade to the full license for £50 all inc. Alternatively, for those that have a Diamond but not on T-Mobile, they might consider downloading it from Handango for just under £56:
http://www.handango.co.uk/PlatformP...pe=2&sectionId=0&siteId=172&txtSearch=copilot
For the price difference, I'm wondering whether I'd be better off paying the extra £6-odd and getting it from Handango - that way, if I do load a cooked ROM, I've still got the full software for CoPilot?

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For the price difference, I'm wondering whether I'd be better off paying the extra £6-odd and getting it from Handango - that way, if I do load a cooked ROM, I've still got the full software for CoPilot?
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It may be an idea to pay the extra. I have flashed a new ROM 3 times in the past week so it's been useful having the files at hand. The CoPilot software auto installs when the Diamond boots up again which is very useful. I keep the files on the root of the internal storage as it recommends.
I don't know if it's the same for the normal version of CoPilot 7 but as I said the Diamond version is VGA and uses the scroll wheel to zoom in and out of the map.
I have been busy at work recently and haven't really thought about testing the software properly but I have some free time soon so will check it out more. In particular I want to check it when walking as alot have complained about the GPS on the Diamond when walking.

I've used quite a number of GPS navigation programs, Tom Tom 7, Co Pilot 7, NavMan, Garmin and I can say personal experience with Australian Maps is Tom Tom routes the best for me. I've had Co-pilot do a huge loop around a destination when there was a straight road to the place or choose really interesting routes.

Trem said:
It may be an idea to pay the extra. I have flashed a new ROM 3 times in the past week so it's been useful having the files at hand. The CoPilot software auto installs when the Diamond boots up again which is very useful. I keep the files on the root of the internal storage as it recommends.
I don't know if it's the same for the normal version of CoPilot 7 but as I said the Diamond version is VGA and uses the scroll wheel to zoom in and out of the map.
I have been busy at work recently and haven't really thought about testing the software properly but I have some free time soon so will check it out more. In particular I want to check it when walking as alot have complained about the GPS on the Diamond when walking.
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Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.

Darrenives said:
Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.
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Normal version also installs on Internal Storage if you want it to. I had tried the normal version before and I'm now setting up the Diamond edition. If I spot any changes I'll report

F1Mad said:
I've been using the 7-day trial version of CoPilot7 on my Compact IV
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May I ask where you got this from? I've searched high-and-low as I'm keen to try it out before parting with my cash...
(of course, posting this means I'll find it in the next few minutes...)
Mathew

mkhattab said:
Normal version also installs on Internal Storage if you want it to. I had tried the normal version before and I'm now setting up the Diamond edition. If I spot any changes I'll report
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So, its been about a week, found anything?

I'm also very intersted in this.
BTW, the 7-day trial is only officially available with T-Mobile. I have asked ALK if there is a demo version of the Diamond edtion, but there isn't.
The other thing that puts me off is that for the combined price of the TD and CoPilot (with Euro maps) I could get a nice standalone sat nav solution. However, I have bene told by ALK support that if I buy the Diamond edition of CoPilot and then change my phone, I will need to re-purchase CoPilot. I don't know how true this is, but two different ALK support guys have now told me the same. However they did also say that the standard version would run perfectly happily on a Diamond.
It would be nice to confirm whether or not the Diamond edition does have other benefits over the standard, apart from the ease of installation. If not then I can't see any reason to buy the Diamond version.

Darrenives said:
Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.
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The normal version is not VGA, if you look closely at the splash screen and the graphics you will notice a slight pixellation of the images/graphics. This is because the regular WinMo version is designed for QVGA or lower.
But the maps do not pixellate because I assume they are vector graphics (or some equivalent).

I have the normal Copilot 7 and can confirm that all the veatures mentioned for the Dimond version appear to work the same for the normal version.
I installed by using the Copilot Central to install the program, then I just copied the folders off of my SD card to the internal storage.
Some instruction for copying the SD card can be found here:
http://support.alk.eu.com/cgi-bin/alk.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=649&p_created=1194449850

Digsy said:
I'm also very intersted in this.
BTW, the 7-day trial is only officially available with T-Mobile. I have asked ALK if there is a demo version of the Diamond edtion, but there isn't.
The other thing that puts me off is that for the combined price of the TD and CoPilot (with Euro maps) I could get a nice standalone sat nav solution. However, I have bene told by ALK support that if I buy the Diamond edition of CoPilot and then change my phone, I will need to re-purchase CoPilot. I don't know how true this is, but two different ALK support guys have now told me the same. However they did also say that the standard version would run perfectly happily on a Diamond.
It would be nice to confirm whether or not the Diamond edition does have other benefits over the standard, apart from the ease of installation. If not then I can't see any reason to buy the Diamond version.
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I think that like for TT7 the maps are registered to a code that is valid for the device it is being used on....change your device then there is a code bust and you cannot use the maps.....hence the need to get the maps again
.....not sure if/how you can transfer your maps from one device to another (when you upgrade)

Tomtom home 2.5 makes Diamond legit.

Downloading TomTom Home 2.5 and connecting Orange (and maybe all variety) Diamond causes TOMTOM to offer a free trial of TOMTOM 7.9 with trial map and access to purchase others advancing the cause of those whose Diamonds did not have TOMTOM in ROM. Win for Diamond users. Win for TOMTOM map sales.

Sounds like very good news and TT actually applying some common sense for a change.
Does Home 2.5 work with Navigator? Previous versions did not and us PDA users were forced to use Version 1.5. It is for that reason that I did not instal it when it came out.
I have a legitimate version of TT6 up and running on my TD. Does this instal wipe any previous versions of TT off, or can both run together?
Can this version read version 6 maps - I would probably buy a Europe map but have a Southern Africa map I would want to keep in case I ever visit there again.

Maybe it's just because I live in Canada, but the only map I can download is the one free map. If I try to purchase a map via TomTom Home it shows none available. Kind of annoying since TomTom is pretty much useless if you can't buy maps. It does work for all the free voices and car images, etc though. Maybe I should have selected the UK as my country when I registered....

Tomtom Hone 2.5 encourages a connected diamond user to download working version of Tomtom 7 (v 7.90)for HTC devices which replaces extracted files from Diamonds with v7 in ROM. This allowed my access to previously purchased maps (v7.45maps) which wouldn't load with previous extracted versions of Tomtom 7. Home 2.5 has version for Navigator. Purchasing from Tomtom website for Navigator 7 leads to discounted 8.15 maps. Would assume these will work. My Orange diamond worked with maps of W Europe designated for O2.

The 6.75 maps will work with TomTom 7, I'm using them together just fine.

I'm using Tomtom V8 maps with Tomtom 7 no problem.

Worked for me. But does anyone know if this is a trial software, or the full version? I wouldn't want to spend $80 on a map of Australia, if the software runs out in a couple of weeks...

TomTom itself (the program) is free, its the maps you pay for, therefore it is a full version and will not run out.

Definitely full version. Can set to have cows mooing if speed limit exceeded. Tomtom will probably advise if v 8.15 maps operate if other site users cannot say. Cannot see why not as I am sure tomtom want map sales otherwise copilot will take htc users on. Home slightly slow to catch on to what you want . You may have to purchase maps from tomtom website and use Home to transfer to diamond rather than purchasing through Home itself.

I emailed TT "support" some questions about this and here is part of their reply
"Home is offering you this application in error. It is an update to the preinstalled version of Nav 7, so probably won't work."
So there you go - all of this is a figment of your imagination. It doesn't exist and if it did it wouldn't work anyway. And it is all your fault for wanting up to date software and maps from us.
Oh and by the way they also said that TTN6 is not compatible with my TD even if it works on it. I must get a copy of their dictionary to see what there definition of compatible is.
I am so glad that Tom Tom is back to its normal ways - I don't think I could have stood the shock of them becoming helpful.

Not complaining. Best example of unsolicited goods I've had in a long time. Is it tomtom's reluctance to preload in all markets or mobile companies wanting you to use their navigation system with costly data downloads?

Updating TomTom

Does anyone know how I can update my TomTom software (latest maps, speed cameras) for my Kaiser?

goto the TomTom website and you will find all the info you will need....

I can't seem to find anything about updating a Kaiser on the TomTom website.

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I can't seem to find anything about updating a Kaiser on the TomTom website.
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TOMTOM is an application. To update, you buy the software and the maps, they send it to you on a disk or SD card and you load it into your phone.

The problem seems to be that there are no more recent maps (and software) since TomTom doesn't know if they want to continue or not to provide "PDA" updates, except for some OEM deals like HTC. Did you read this long thread ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401679

TomTom only officially sell TomTom 6 for Windows Mobiles devices. With this you are limited to version 6.x maps. TomTom have updated the software to version 7 - latest is 7.910(9185) - however this isn't commercially available but is packaged by some carriers into their ROMs for two HTC devices; the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro. Only these two devices are officially supported by TomTom for Navigator 7, both these devices are VGA as well. If you go to TomTom's MapShop website and select 'NAVIGATOR 7' as your version you are then prompted with a list of different carriers devices - only HTC Touch Diamond and Touch Pro varients are listed.
What has happened since is Navigator 7 has been ripped from these devices (and TomTom's website) and backward engineered to work on other devices (VGA & QVGA) and then repackaged into installable .cab files (check the long thread in the previous reply for links to the .cabs, there are several floating around). This will get you the actual TomTom Navigator 7 application installed, however it is pretty useless without a map and the only 'official' way to get a map is via the TomTom Home application. Unfortunately this is where it all falls down as there is no legal way to download a map or activate it for your 'unsupported' device. A bit of a chicken-and-egg situation...
Without detailing anything or posting links there are other sites that have 'advice' and downloads to allow you to install the latest maps to your Kaiser running the latest Navigator. Latest maps are version 8.15, however there are sub-versions that are not compatible with all devices or software versions.
Andy

That sounds about right.
Although I'd add that TomTom won't tell you that this is what they've done. Here's my story.
I went to the US recently on business and needed to drive, so I bought a copy of TomTom's US map online. After a lot of idiotic argy-bargy and toing and froing with their support department, it emerged that TomTom Navigator 6 (the latest version that works in WinMob smartphones as opposed to their own devices) is supported by the map. Nowhere on the site was this made clear. Yet, as a registered, legitimate user, TomTom's systems know I have Nav 6 running on a PDA.
It also appears that tech support for Nav 6 is negligible (although I suspect from the backwash I picked up from other users, this isn't a software version problem but a systemic problem), as the company is not developing the WinMob version any further - probably down to the cost of supporting users as a result of it's awful support department...
Cutting it short, I eventually extracted both an admission that all the above was the case and a refund, but it was painful and took a fortnight, by which time I was in the US, without a map...