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What GPS software package are you guys thinking of using?

Well, I am all prepared to buy the Kaiser when it hits the market. I am already looking at the GPS software packages out there for my Kaiser (hopefully GPS is not locked to Telenav). Even if it is locked, I am pretty sure all the good cooks out here will modify the ROM to fix this. What are you all thinking about using?

I've been using Route 66 on my Wizard and it works quite well. DeLorme Pocket Street Atlas is OK but the maps and routing aren't as good.
Lots of people swear by TomTom, and a few reviewers/testers have used it on their pre-production Kaisers. Both semsons.com & buygpsnow.com have a wide selection of GPS software packages.

I use tomtom and find it great.

i think ill also use tomtom. which one is the best?
ive never owned a gps device, so that's the only software ive really heard of..

I've been using OCN6 with my Wizard. . . anxious to see if it works with the Kaiser/8925/Tilt.

Route66 for me. I want my traffic information without having to pay a subscription...
Only thing that could be improved is the frequency of the map updates, where TomTom is the clear winner, but I've had no problems with my R66 map accuracy so far.

regarding the GPS:
Does anyone of you know wether there is GPS Software that could pull images from google maps?
Like a "show me satellite image of my current location" - button?
I think that would be really cool, but does it already exist?
And secondly, I'm looking for a GPS - Software that runs in the background and logs the GPS coordinates in order to geotag photos from my digicam later. Any recommendations here?

Try Mapopolis...
I use Mapopolis and it works and looks great on my ETEN X500+ VGA device. I'll use it when I get the Kaiser too. The resolution will go down but I still love the program.
Mapopolis has a GPS TRAIL option that logs your trip at preset intervals (every 5 minutes, 5 miles or whatever). All you have to do then is use the Location SMS feature of WM6 with pictures attached at capture the places you want. From there, you can create a nice Trip Photo Album with coordinates or send the trip via email.
TEC

I can't really compare software as I have only used Tomtom, but I have always found the program great and have never felt tempted to even try another software package because it has always worked so well.

With my 8525 I purchased the Garmin Mobile 10 which is this awesome little gps receiver that fits in your palm. It's bluetooth and all I do is put the tiny thing in my pocket. It uses Garmin software and works amazingly well. I'm wondering whether this would be MORE accurate than the built in GPS receiver in the Kaiser. If this is more accurate then I'll keep on using it but if the 8925 works just as well then I'll probably sell the garmin.

southy said:
regarding the GPS:
Does anyone of you know wether there is GPS Software that could pull images from google maps?
Like a "show me satellite image of my current location" - button?
I think that would be really cool, but does it already exist?
And secondly, I'm looking for a GPS - Software that runs in the background and logs the GPS coordinates in order to geotag photos from my digicam later. Any recommendations here?
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u should check this out, i just found out about it yesterday
Pdafun.net
its a program called "Google Navigator"

ksjulsen said:
u should check this out, i just found out about it yesterday
Pdafun.net
its a program called "Google Navigator"
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Wow great find. The downside to this software though is it requires an internet connection to connect to google when planning routes. So, if you don't have coverage then youre going to get lost.

MDA Vario III
The Vario III will be coming with CoPilot out of the box (there are having alot of problems in the testing of this cant cant make it work) they are also having problems gettin the WiFi stay on. So all you UK users who are after the Vario III (me included) will be waiting till the start of Oct

I own "iGuidance" which works on the PocketPC .. will test it out once I have the Kaiser
*crossing fingers*

UnicornKaz said:
I own "iGuidance" which works on the PocketPC .. will test it out once I have the Kaiser
*crossing fingers*
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If anybody wants to send me a Kaiser I will try several packages out and report back in a review format.......
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dai_white said:
The Vario III will be coming with CoPilot out of the box (there are having alot of problems in the testing of this cant cant make it work) they are also having problems gettin the WiFi stay on. So all you UK users who are after the Vario III (me included) will be waiting till the start of Oct
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Says here its coming with tom tom taster version
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/wi...tytn-ii-europe-ultimate-mobile-companion.html

I'll be using iGuidance, as it's what I'm using now on my Hermes...

I'll be using TomTom Nav 6. It also has a satelite download but I've never used it.

I just got my TyTN II and installed iguidance 3.0.1.
It doesn't actually start most of the time. It appears to run once after a reboot but then not again.
I can see the exe in the process list but the app is not actually running. or never finishes starting.
So maybe i will give tom tom a try. LOL
Edit: Oh actually i ran it and waited 10 minutes and the program actually launched.. so there are definitely a few issues.

technillion said:
I use Mapopolis and it works and looks great on my ETEN X500+ VGA device. I'll use it when I get the Kaiser too. The resolution will go down but I still love the program.
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Actually, I'd love if someone with a Kaiser would try Mapopolis - just load the Los Angeles, USA map and see if it's usable. My Hermes dogs out completely at high zoom levels - I'm presuming due to only 64MB of memory vs the 128MB in my old iPAQ 5555. (By "dogs out" I mean drag-panning the map is extremely jerky and category searches take near to a minute!)
Mapopolis' POI management is second to none, and it's had text-to-speech for ages. TomTom v6.030 is the latest PocketPC version I've found and it still has no text-to-speech, won't allow you to add your own POIs to the canned categories, etc.
Richard

Please report your GPS experience

For the lucky people who got their Kaisers already, would you please report your experience regarding the built-in GPS please specially the initial cold fix as it was very slow with the Trinity P3600

TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.

Agreed; and, at least in Google Maps, the position is more accurate than the Ameo.

For batterie Life
Hello,
Can you post hte comment of batterie life when you use the GPS.
For example: the phone
the telephone is load completely (100% full batterie) and when you use 1 hour of gps
how much battery it remains?
Thanks.
Private69.
@++++

Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...

Wiz said:
Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...
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sorry for a stupid question, do u use tomtom 6 to check the number of satellites? i cant get my gps to start working at all.

Wiz said:
TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.
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Am running 6.030 now!
Don't ask me how or why but it's working fine.
Joe

I now verified that on TT6.030 you have to use "Other NMEA GPS/4800Bd/Com 4: and on TT6.032 you can stay with "Internal GPS"
In any case, TT6.032 with "Internal GPS" the fix is aqcuired a lot faster than on TT6.030
TT6.032 is supplied with the TyTNN II on the accompanying CDRom
(TT6.032 incidentally does not allow itself to be installed on any other device, the installer prevents that, but after installation on the TyTN II, the directory can be copied to for instance the x7500 to replace the old installation there, and it will work fine. My first impression is that also on the x7500 with TT6.032 the fix is faster, but I still need to run the "dinner table test" )

its working fine now after i installed the version on the cd. thanks. my MapKing chinese version also working, GREAT!

When you use tt6.32 from the CD, can you use any tt6 map? or is it locked to 1 map only?
Can you have multiple maps with the tt6.32 from the CD?

Can you confirm that the version supplied with TyTn II i.e., TomTom 6.0.32, is a FULL version ? Licences? or is it a taster and you have to pay to register it as a full version? If it is full, does it come with Great Britain Maps (full) or you have to download them? In case of download, is it free?
Thanks

The CD version of TT 6.032 that comes with the Kaiser is as full as an update one would dowload from TomTom. There is no code. There are no maps either. One can download one area map (f.i. London) for free, but no country or continent maps are added. Those will have to be purchased separately.
If you install it on top of an already installed and registered TT6.0x0, it will not ask for a new code. Any old registration will remain valid.
On another note, sitting side by side in my car, I noticed that the x7500's GPS reception was a lot more consistent then the TyTNN II's. The TyTN II may acquire its fix a lot faster, but on the whole, the x7500's reception is better (even though my "dinner table test" would lead to believe otherwise) and more consistent.
While my x7500 had a permanent reception of 9-10 satellites (albeit with shorter bars) the TyTN II was jumping up and down between 3 and 7 satellites.

I currently use my Hermes in an 'in car' holder, with a bluetooth GPS reciever face up in the window. One thing that I would like to know, is that if I was to get a Kaiser and put it into my car holder, surely the orientation of the GPS reciever inside the Kaiser would be 'end on' to the sky, and the satelites.
This must affect performance?

I got mine this morning. Took me quite a while to get GPS working -- had to do a hard reset. It's now working with Route 66, which I used to use on my Wizard.
GPS data seems a bit bursty -- when I was viewing it with GPSViewer, I'd get a bunch of NMEA strings, then nothing for several seconds, then another burst.

Hum..seems to be same issue than Paul from Modaco :
"The GPS bug seems to occur with some applications whereby the GPS 'data stream' will pause for a few seconds at a time, which makes some apps think the GPS has gone away (e.g. Google Maps) and other apps just update in sudden jumps rather than smoothly." ?
Seems that HTC did not fix it in the final ROM.
Do you know if HTC is aware of this issue and plan to fix it ?
Thanks

don't know if i've encountered the bug but here's my situation: i cannot get the GPS Hardware Port (or COM) settings to "stick" after changing them. for example i can change GPS Program Port and it will stick but changing the Hardware Port and clicking OK has no impact. if i reopen the GPS settings, the Hardware Port shows "(NONE)". and this is after 4 hard resets. funny thing is that is worked when i initially set up my device, then all of a sudden, TT6 was reporting "No GPS Device"... it may be time to pack it up and return it for a replacement... any suggestions would be appreciated.
Update: Followed Paul's (on Modaco) suggestion to leave the default settings and now GPS is working.

Which Navigation programs work in landscape mode???

for those of you with a Tytn II, are you able to modify the GPS Hardware COM port from one setting to another? the fact that mine says "(NONE)" is leading me to believe i have a hardware defective unit. thanks.

Kaiser and mapking 2007
ive tried mapking 07 on kaiser and it doesnt work. It juz cannot pinpoint the location that I am at. I wonder if its the software problem??

I installed TOM-TOM from the HTC CD and it has worked with out problems, even installed US MAPS from another Tom-Tom CD I have from the original version. Only problem so far, once I was using it and received an SMS message and it locked up. Had to restart. Receiving email is fine but the SMS message freaked it out.

Using GPS brings machine to crawl

I have a HTC Tytn II Pro. Everything works great, except GPS.
The CDs did not have any Tomtom application, but I had my own copies of Destinator, Igo 2006 Plus and Mapopolis, along with Map4Pda.
When I try to access the GPS via any of these apps using COM4:, the machine slows down terribly. I haven't been able to get a fix so far either. This morning Quickfix GPS was downloading fine, now it gives connection errors.
I haven't messed with GPS Control Panel yet, but I am wondering if I have a faulty unit, or does the Tomtom 6.032 unlock/change something to make it work.
Has anyone used the unit's GPS without any Tomtom install first? Did anyone experience any slowness using GPS?
Any suggestions? I tried a hard reset and just installed Map4Pda after that, still no luck.

That strange if you dont have TomTom6 in the Application CD.
It is called:
Installer_Kaiser_ttn_6_032_8351_HTC_WWE_20070716.exe
Check your manual, is TomTom6 mentioned there?
If it is, why dont you contact your supplier and ask?
Btw, I use TomTom6 from CD and it is running fine. Got fix pretty quickly under 30 seconds.

TT6
Seems like TT is not on CDs in north america.
Get it - TT6 works like a charm, fix in less then 7 secs here (use the gps quickfix download) and very responsive - even at high speeds.
No complaints on TT for TyTNII

my app cds had the tomtom app.... bought in vegas (uk plug though)

Please test, some reports the gps lost signal after 1 hour.
nukenine said:
Seems like TT is not on CDs in north america.
Get it - TT6 works like a charm, fix in less then 7 secs here (use the gps quickfix download) and very responsive - even at high speeds.
No complaints on TT for TyTNII
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my app cds had the tomtom app.... bought in vegas (uk plug though)
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My app cd says MEA, so it must be from Middle East/Asia. And manual does not refer to TomTom at all. I bought it through SuperiorGadgets. I don't think it is their fault though, it appears devices from certain regions don't have Tomtom.
With that said, I made another hard reset on Friday evening, first installed Beeline GPS, which got a lock after a minute and QuickGPS was updating fine too. Then I installed my apps, after installing several I checked it again, Beeline was fine. Finally I installed Igo 2006 Plus (June 2007 version) and that is working fine and slowness with GPS is gone away. It makes me wonder what caused it in the first place. I'll install couple more GPS apps and see what happens.

HTC TYTN II GPS (Kais 130) - Got it working.....YES
Hi Guys,
I just bougth this HTC TYTN 2 and it seems ok.
For the GPS, I installed Google maps which did not find any satellites either.
I then copied visualgpsce.exe ( in the attachment) on the kaiser and ran it from there, it got 7 sattelites in less than 10 seconds. after that, google worked like magic. I did not have TOMTOM on my CD either so i could not try it and I am in an area that is not covered by maps from TOMTOM, but i think it will work just fine after this nice warmup.
It seems that the first connection require some clear skies, nice warm up software and some patience.
Thanks and good luck.

I'm in the states, got it from Mobileocity. Came with TT6 on app disc. Works like a charm, finds location within 10sec, no slowdown on system.

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Please test, some reports the gps lost signal after 1 hour.
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No problems here, been working perfectly on journeys of 3 and 4 hours.
Regards
Phil

Yeah, it worked perfectly on my last journey too (each 1.5 hour).

What GPS software are you using on your Touch diamond.

Well I'm using Tomtom 6, l'm not a big fan of it, the maps are quite bland and boring.
What are other GPS softwares that have decent maps that work with the touch diamond? I'm quite pissed Igo8 has issues..

I am using CoPilot 7, I got it with my Orbit 2 a while ago, Its ok, easy to use, POI Searches can be a bit annoying but and the routing isn't as good as the tom tom I don't think but it still gets you from A-B.

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I am using CoPilot 7, I got it with my Orbit 2 a while ago, Its ok, easy to use, POI Searches can be a bit annoying but and the routing isn't as good as the tom tom I don't think but it still gets you from A-B.
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Garmin Mobile XT. Very happy with it.

MapKing R12. GPS is just a toy for me, so it doesn't really matter. As long as it's working, it will be fine.

andrewloh said:
MapKing R12. GPS is just a toy for me, so it doesn't really matter. As long as it's working, it will be fine.
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I have to say it's the same for me. It's actually funny because I have Garmin XT on the Diamond and I have Garmin in my car and both use the same map file so it's a bit overkill. Only used GPS once since I got the phone and that was to try it out of curiousity

Co Pilot 7, got with my Orbit 2. Quite happy with it, but would have preferred TomTom

Turning on Internal GPS
I installed the Garmin Xt on the the Diamond but it keeps searching for a Blue Tooth GPS. Is there some settings I need to do to get it to recognise the internal GPS and Vice versa. Thanks in advance

Destinator 7, I tried TomTom and hated it!

Im using TomTom 6 now. I have a TomTom Go 920 as well.
Never used Destinator 7 or Garmin XT - are these good? better than TomTom? Worthwhile checking out?
I released TomTom allows you to "Navigate to" and you can choose a contacts address - handy since I have addresses for most my contacts - it would take ages to store them into favourites.

using GMXT and MapkingR12...
for me maps for GMXT is more complete and updated than the one in Mapking..

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Im using TomTom 6 now. I have a TomTom Go 920 as well.
Never used Destinator 7 or Garmin XT - are these good? better than TomTom? Worthwhile checking out?
I released TomTom allows you to "Navigate to" and you can choose a contacts address - handy since I have addresses for most my contacts - it would take ages to store them into favourites.
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Also using TomTom 6. Received my Diamond yesterday, I came from a Kaiser device.
But the screen draw is very very slow comparing to the Kaiser. Perhaps because of the VGA screen, don't know.
Also the directions and pointer are runnig about a second slower than the Kaiser (it's running 10 mtr behind my car).
Hopefully there will be a TomTom 7 and hopefully that will run smoother, I'm a very big fan of TomTom.

Friend of mine has a VGA HP PDA with Tomtom 6. Screen redraws are terribly slow. I have same version of Tomtom on my Prophet (QVGA) and it runs very smoothly. Think its down to the number of pixels.

I'm using Navigon 6.2 with europe map.
I always used to install and use iGo, but iGo 2006 and iGo 8 don't work with the Diamond

Socarumba said:
I installed the Garmin Xt on the the Diamond but it keeps searching for a Blue Tooth GPS. Is there some settings I need to do to get it to recognise the internal GPS and Vice versa. Thanks in advance
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You need to config settings in Garmin. to cable GPS, and then point to correct COM (in my case COM4)

Just got my diamond and I can't seem to get tomtom6 in landscape mode. The tiltfunction doesn't work in the todayscreen or tomtom itself so I guess I'll have to find a rotate cab or get used to the standard mode.

Using Sygic McGuider.
Very impressed by it, good for TomTom users, nice screen on diamond, works like a charm and newer maps !!

Destinator

How do you guys get Garmin XT onto your device? Is it possible to copy the files from the SD card onto the phone?

jellyme said:
Friend of mine has a VGA HP PDA with Tomtom 6. Screen redraws are terribly slow. I have same version of Tomtom on my Prophet (QVGA) and it runs very smoothly. Think its down to the number of pixels.
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Any workaround for this? The menu is terrible slow also, seems like other problem than pixels. Map-building takes ages, loading maps etc.

xzces said:
Just got my diamond and I can't seem to get tomtom6 in landscape mode. The tiltfunction doesn't work in the todayscreen or tomtom itself so I guess I'll have to find a rotate cab or get used to the standard mode.
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Use Mortscript to start TomTom with a script file. Before starting TomTom use command Rotate (90).

Is your TomTom this slow - Video inlcuded

Just wondering if anyone's TomTom 6 or 7 is as slow as the one as this video I made or is yours running smoothly. Would have though TomTom would have ran much better than this due the the GPU acceleration
Even though it's a VGA screen my Tytn 2 was running this much, much faster, not far off silky smooth . The TomTom in the video is v7 VGA running the latest v7.20 maps (tested also with TomTom 6 QVGA running v6 maps and was just as slow).
Am posting this as reading some posts here and people are saying my TomTom is running smoothly, mines running perfectly, no lag etc.
Look forward to your feedback
Excuse the background noise, forgot to remove it
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v604/Radeon/?action=view&current=MOV04324.flv

im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.

Smartstradamus said:
im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.
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What rom version are you running?
Wouldn't mind trying it.

i've run tomtom (both 6 and 7 with your same map) on ALL the ROM that we have at this moment for ours diamond , always smoothly.
neither my polaris have problem like that in your video , my be you have too many POI activated.

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Just wondering if anyone's TomTom 6 or 7 is as slow as the one as this video
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Yep, mine is as ****ty as yours. That is the reason I liked Tomtom is it's smooth movement..... not on the Diamond though, might as well run a slideshow, could possibly be faster.

hi radeon, it seems that i have the same problem as you.
till now i'm thinking it's because of the gps refresh rate, but i'm not really sure
because this should offend all diamond users...
but for me the major problem of using any gps software at the moment is the
enormous lag at low speeds. when i'm in a traffic jam the position updates approx.
only every 100m, and the actual speed is also very slow in changing it's values (i'm
standing still and the tachymetre shows still ~10km/h for a few seconds...
i guess this is because the static navigation of the chipset.
regards,
markus

Hi
I had the same problem on my first tomtom, you display too much POIs, try to disable a lot of POI and retest.

POI's Rubbish
It has nothing to do with the number of POI's. I have run the exact same version of TTN and the exact same map on a Treo 750 with ALL POI's activated and it was as smooth as my Tomtom GO720.
I just find it hard to beleive that my old Palm ran faster??????
Dont know why but it isnt POI's.

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I had the same problem on my first tomtom, you display too much POIs, try to disable a lot of POI and retest.
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I always make sure my POI's are disabled otherwise TomTom would run a lot slower than that video .

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im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.
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Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.

pietrucci said:
Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.
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Would love to see this to
Just as a test, I removed all my POI's and voices from the map folder and ran TomTom with as little on screen as possible, also disabled all street names etc, did a demo run and it ran at exactly the same speed as that video.
I'm running the TLR 1.37.405.1 rom at the moment, so hopefully this maybe a rom issue because the GPU is doing bugger all to help run TomTom, seems the CPU is doing everything, and being a VGA screen that's why it's a lot slower than my old Tytn 2 which the CPU did everything there to.
This is the only issue I have with the Diamond and it's an annoying one

pietrucci said:
Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.
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Trust me when i say that you need the tomtom version that was shipped on certain roms.
I would give you a link but im sure the xda guys would class it as warez!
I have a uk diamond that didnt come with tomtom7 but i have a license for tomtom so i found the optimized version for the diamond.