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Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?
can anyone help?
How exactly would it be "free" internet? You are still going to need a data connection to access the proxy server.
it would be free because I would not be paying internet charges through my cellular provider using their wap server to access the internet, rather I would bundle the cost into my already home internet charges if I set up a home proxy and pointed my phone there.
It still would register as me making a call, but it would not register as me using the internet, hence 'free' internet.
Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.
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Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.
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if you redirect your proxy outside of AT&Ts MediaNET you will not get charged
OK, apparently you didn't read anything I typed. Let's look at it another way.
I have a Tilt. I can enable or disable AT&T's proxy server. Does it really matter? NO. Why? Because in both cases data is being transmitted over EDGE or HSDPA. It's bits and bytes traveling over the airwaves. Whether you are directly connected to the internet, using AT&T's proxy or your own proxy, it's all 1's and 0's to them. If they see those 1's and 0's being transmitted from your phone to the internet, you are getting charged for it.
If it was that easy to bypass AT&T's data plan, wouldn't you think everyone would be doing it? I know I would.
Prove me wrong.
In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.
mjhill said:
In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.
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Good explanation
You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges. There used to be a great program over at MoDaCo called NoData which when you ran it showed you the connections you had and let you disable the ones you wanted to have off. Then you could use Wifi without starting a GPRS connection. The program still exists, do a search for it hear or google it at MoDaCo. Only thing, I seem to recall that the creator of the program said it was only for WM5. I've seen people say that it works in WM6 but haven't tried it myself.
Short of that you could just go into DataComm and tap on the Data connection icon, to turn if off as you tap WLan to turn it on. Of course that will disable your data connection and push e-mail and you'll have to remember to start it up again afterwards if you want to get your push e-mail.
jspetrino said:
Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?
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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.
I had a similar question, which got no replies....
T-mobile puts you through it's proxies, so that pictures etc are compressed, which is a bit pants. That's one reason why you might want to do as described in the OP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345029
MHC48 said:
You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges.
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This simply isn't true. If you enable WiFi and you're passing traffic through GPRS, then you don't have your WiFi network configured correctly.
Go to Settings-Connections-WiFi and change the pull down for your adapter from "Work" to "The Internet. Associate with AP. Surf to your heart's content without using the cellular network.
You can shut off the phone connection if you like, but there's no need to do so.
Edit: Just for giggles, I fired up my WiFi configured as above and grabbed a 3MB file directly on the phone. GPRS Monitor recorded zero traffic increase.
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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.
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yes I used to be Verizon never go back to them again! I used to use a quick fix on one of my LG phones redirecting to a proxy and i got free internet that way.
Hey y'all,
I tried to search for the answer to this but couldn't find anything. Basically, I have found certain websites (my company's webmail, for example) that show up fine when I'm on a wifi connection, but come in blank when I'm using a GPRS/HSPDA connection. I'm guessing it's either a proxy setting or a Pocket IE registry setting that is causing this, but I have nothing really to back that guess. Is there anything that can be done to let me see the websites on both connections?
When you connect to WiFi, are you at home or at work? Is it possible you are trying to connect to a site that can only be reached via the "privileged" WiFi connection you are using?
If you can connect via WiFi and not via phone...
a) You do not have the correct Carrier data profile connections installed for GPRS.
b) You have re-flashed you rom and suffered a)....!!!
c) You have lost data links and java access to sites. Install Java, or re-flash your operator and stick with the cheap option you purchased!!!
d) Check for the network setup wizard (on this forum) and go to your carriers website to check the settings.
Thanks for the replies guys...
@dunneldeen: that's a good thought, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be limited on which wifi connection - in other words, I can connect regardless of the wifi area (airport, home, coffee shop, etc.) so that's not the problem.
@Farsquidge: I'm not sure if I'm understanding right. I can hit most websites and see them fine over GPRS, just a few certain ones don't show up - thus, I don't think it's my carrier settings. Option C seems like a potential candidate, I'll try installing Java and see what happens, and I'll report back if successful.
Thanks!
Err. Please don't forget you are using 'Pocket IE' not full blown IE and it will report that back via cookie to whatever site you are on and they will send you the cut-down version.
Download the trial for Opera (Not the mini version) for Windows Mobile.
In it's setup you can set it to report as PC.
Yeah, I figured it was a Pocket IE problem. It just seems strange that it works on wifi fine but not GPRS: does it send different cookies thru wifi than GPRS?
Err.. Actually, ya caught me out there but hopefully I can go back to my previous post and say you have lost your carrier profile for net access!
Just curious if u did, I have the 4 euros/500 mb a month option.
What i mean by that is does the phone's oulook connect to gmail account or does the youtube player play videos on a gprs connection (or is it hsdpa?).
Yes, all on HSDPA normally. And gmail works in outlook, automatically sets up as an IMAP server (enable imap in GMAIL though).
Flawless.l
Good luck. When experiencing connection problems, look if vodafone auto-setup enables a proxy. Disable it (but be sure it don't cost any extra $$, normally not).
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Just curious if u did, I have the 4 euros/500 mb a month option.
What i mean by that is does the phone's oulook connect to gmail account or does the youtube player play videos on a gprs connection (or is it hsdpa?).
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Whether it is GPRS or HSDPA depends on the settings. If phone setting is set to 3G, it will pick up HSDPA it signal strenght is good and it will pick GPRS if your settings are GSM and/or UMTS signal is weak.
Mmm yes but does your connection manage to connect to streaming media like youtube and does outlook work?
Mine work fine on wifi but on 3G for example, outlook says "Error syncronizing" and pops up the 3G connections buble. Browser works fine though.
tnyynt said:
Whether it is GPRS or HSDPA depends on the settings. If phone setting is set to 3G, it will pick up HSDPA it signal strenght is good and it will pick GPRS if your settings are GSM and/or UMTS signal is weak.
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tnyynt - does your vodafone GPRS config involve using proxy servers? I think this must be the problem for gmail, especially since they want us to use ssl now.
Some folks are not routed through proxies and thus can acces the gmail IMAP server.
If you have your config written somewhere, maybe I can take a look at it?
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tnyynt - does your vodafone GPRS config involve using proxy servers? I think this must be the problem for gmail, especially since they want us to use ssl now.
Some folks are not routed through proxies and thus can acces the gmail IMAP server.
If you have your config written somewhere, maybe I can take a look at it?
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To be quite honest, I never use my provider's data connection, only WiFi and the MMS connection.
Also, I'm on prepaid, so settings are different, and NO, mine do not include proxy. Did you set your settings up with Connection Manager?
Might take a look here and enter your settings manually (don't get confused by the Trinity page, it's the only supporting all connections).
Mine work fine on wifi but on 3G for example, outlook says "Error syncronizing" and pops up the 3G connections buble. Browser works fine though.
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So does mine. I've read a lot on this forum and I never can make it work on 3G only on wifi. Same with youtube - only wifi works. Maybe is our sh...y Vodafone Romania...
camil said:
So does mine. I've read a lot on this forum and I never can make it work on 3G only on wifi. Same with youtube - only wifi works. Maybe is our sh...y Vodafone Romania...
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Yes I read somewhere only port 80 works (which is the standard http port). Also somehow POP3 might work but pop3 is ****tier than IMAP, I'm going to dig around more on this and if i find anything else i'll keep u guys posted.
hey there. vodafone here as well. i was thinking of getting that 4 euro extraoption too but in my city (oradea, and bucuresti from october) there are plenty of free wi-fi connections available; although it consumes more battery, the connection speeds are far better and, most importantly, FREE.
youtube and gmail works perfectly fine
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hey there. vodafone here as well. i was thinking of getting that 4 euro extraoption too but in my city (oradea, and bucuresti from october) there are plenty of free wi-fi connections available; although it consumes more battery, the connection speeds are far better and, most importantly, FREE.
youtube and gmail works perfectly fine
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Off topic: I'm from Oradea too but I don't know that many.
Hey either yesterday or day before it came on the market I saw, a G1 FTP server to allow you to transfer files to your G1 via ftp. I know personally its nifty but so far I havent been able to get it to connect. =/ Anyways I thought Id bring it up here since not sure if its been talked about yet but Im sure the interest is here. =)
Any Dyndns for the G1 yet? =D
It's been up for a long time. Personally I have no idea how to set it up Search DynDns in Market. I think there's an application.
Anyone use either yet and have it working? Can it have the ability to read the ext2 files as well via ftp? That would be awesome.
I downloaded it a while ago, only used it once to test but it worked well.
I just use the usb cable for file transfers though because my G1 doesn't pick up wifi as well as the laptop from the distance to my router.
Yea but wouldnt the FTP server work via EDGE network?
Don't know the situation in your country/operator but from what I've seen in Europe, you're always connected in your operator's private network.
So you get an IP like 10.x.x.x or anything else that is not reachable from the internet. So no server software can run on your device with such an IP.
hrm then wonder how 3G does it..
The Dev did do 3g but couldnt test it according to the last update he did. I know when I start up it says Starting 3G Network.
Hi all, I have a strange problem and wondered if anyone could think why it won't work.
I am trying to get access to my work FTP server via andFTP. Now it works fine on my home WiFi (so not an internal external issue) but can't get it to work over the 3G. Does anyone have any idea why this may be or am I just best off trying a different client?
If it doesn't work on 3G, then it's because you haven't forwarded your FTP port in your router. When your phone is connected through 3G, it is outside your local network.
And then you also need to know your "outside" IP address. (Google my IP)
And then thats the IP you need to connect to in andFTP.
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If it doesn't work on 3G, then it's because you haven't forwarded your FTP port in your router. When your phone is connected through 3G, it is outside your local network.
And then you also need to know your "outside" IP address. (Google my IP)
And then thats the IP you need to connect to in andFTP.
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Thanks for the reply. Just to clarify though it is definately working externally as I can access my works FTP server fine from my home via wifi, even though they are on completely different networks so I know the routing and forwarding etc. is correct from the FTP server end. I just cant work out why it wont connect over 3G.
Can you login to your FTP from work? Or just outside your own network?
It is not the same that you can connect to an outside FTP, that it is to connect from the outside to your internal FTP.
You need to forward port 21 in your router to your FTP server's IP address. Otherwise it wont work.
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If it doesn't work on 3G, then it's because you haven't forwarded your FTP port in your router. When your phone is connected through 3G, it is outside your local network.
And then you also need to know your "outside" IP address. (Google my IP)
And then thats the IP you need to connect to in andFTP.
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I can log-in internally when connected to WiFi, I can log-in externally when connected to WiFi, I can't log-in via 3G at all (SocketException). I may well try another FTP client, any recommendations.
So if you connect to a WiFi that isn't your own, you can still log in?
If that is so, then I guess they might have blocked FTP transfers over your 3G network.
It works on mine, thats why it sounds wierd to me, and the only difference is more or less the mobile company.
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So if you connect to a WiFi that isn't your own, you can still log in?
If that is so, then I guess they might have blocked FTP transfers over your 3G network.
It works on mine, thats why it sounds wierd to me, and the only difference is more or less the mobile company.
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spot on... after trying a new FTP client and that not working I have done a bit of digging on the web and it seem's t-mob uk block FTP transfers. Anyone else on the same provider confirm this?
That sucks
Try to call t-mobile and ask them if this is just a bug, or if it was intended.
tell me about it! Gonna give them a ring when I get five minutes although I can imagine the call now...
Me: Hello, I cant seem to access FTP via my mobile internet.
T-Mob: Whats FTP???
Me: Could you please open Port 21 so I can access my work files.
T-Mob: No, but did you hear about the great new services you are entitled to for just £xx a month...
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spot on... after trying a new FTP client and that not working I have done a bit of digging on the web and it seem's t-mob uk block FTP transfers. Anyone else on the same provider confirm this?
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FYI, I can ftp my home ftp server no problems over T mobile network using AndFTP.
It could well be how they have you set up, and what package you are signed up for, If you got a G2 from tmobile, I was told there is a specific set they have for you if you have a G2
thanks for the info Higgsy...
As an update to this I have just gotten off the phone to T-Mobile CS and have to say they were very helpful. Although the guy was unsure at first why it wan't letting me get through to FTP he suspected it could be due to not having 'web n walk plus' (£7.50 per month instead of £5). Due to a long wait he added this to my account free of charge.
The problem hasn't gone away yet but he did say it could take up to 24 hours to go through.
Will keep this post updated and let you know if it gets sorted.
I thought it might be that, I used to get this issue trying to access certain things on my old e71 when I had standard web and walk set up. I was actually told by a tech support guy, who was also very helpful that the G1/G2 needed a specific web and walk/account set up.
a quick update to this and 24 hours on unfortunately the upgrade to w+w plus doesnt seem to have fixed things, have decided to give this a miss now and wait for something like a dropbox app to come along.
On the plus side I yet again mentioned my poor internet speed (was averaging around 300-350kbps) so he had a look at the account. Despite being told on several occasion before there was no issue he had a look at the profile assigned to the account and found that, surprise-surprise, I was being throttled at 3g speeds. A few minutes and a phone reset later I am getting speeds in excess of 1500kbps! Hurrah!
I'm not sure what AndFTP's default is, but maybe you want to check that you are using passive mode (it's in the Advanced tab).