Okay, so I finally did it. This evening after work I took my phone (Att Tilt), some torx drivers, some tiny philips and sat down at my desk. With a beer in hand, my phone in pieces, and the front camera from a kaiser on the desk in front of me, I made awesome happen.
Now, the fact that I was three or four beers deep by the time I finished probably contributed to the hairline crack in my case near the new camera, but that's nothing some superglue won't fix. At any rate, my Att Tilt now has a front camera, and it was auto recognized by the camera software. Needless to say, this is awesome - the next step is to flash a rom that supports all the nifty things I can do with a front facing camera, and make the most of what I now have.
Here's where I get confused, though - all my poking about on the forum and elsewhere seemed to say that this wasn't possible - that the tilt /could not/ be modified to have a front camera. Was I misreading things that badly?
If it helps, I've got some very blurry pictures (my camera's a piece of junk), and might take some more if people want.
Love to hear back.
Nice work Harrson...BTW, a few questions...
Do you have to dismantle the whole phone or can you do it just by removing the torx screws behind the sliding screen?
And is the front camera of the tilt modular? cause i hawked a camera off an old treo 650 and I know it's angled diferrently from the tilt as to the wire but do you just pop it on the front camera module? thanks
dtag said:
Nice work Harrson...BTW, a few questions...
Do you have to dismantle the whole phone or can you do it just by removing the torx screws behind the sliding screen?
And is the front camera of the tilt modular? cause i hawked a camera off an old treo 650 and I know it's angled diferrently from the tilt as to the wire but do you just pop it on the front camera module? thanks
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I was not able to find a method of removing the front cover by itself, and had to go through the entire disassembly (just about) as detailed at Mike Channon's website, removing all those damned tiny screws and bending distressingly thin pieces of plastic to get to the front case.
The front camera is modular, yes - it's a tiny little thing comprised of a small camera(about the size of a pea or so) mounted on a flat flexible cable kind of thing, which terminates in one of those miniature plugs that you find elsewhere inside the phone. The socket lives under the front cover, right next to the power/wifi/bluetooth LEDs near the earpiece.
On my Tilt, the cavity that was intended to hold the camera had been filled by a cube of black foam rubber that had been glued to the board (which you can kind of see in my crappy picture). I removed that, plugged in the camera, and reassembled.
(I apologize for the atrocious pictures - as I said, the camera's a piece of junk)
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LOL! WOW! Thanks, I'll try it soon
dtag said:
Nice work Harrson...BTW, a few questions...
Do you have to dismantle the whole phone or can you do it just by removing the torx screws behind the sliding screen?
And is the front camera of the tilt modular? cause i hawked a camera off an old treo 650 and I know it's angled diferrently from the tilt as to the wire but do you just pop it on the front camera module? thanks
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As to using the camera from another HTC phone, I called HTC about using the one from the TYTN 1 (which I'd bought off of ebay without knowing any better), and I was told that the part numbers were different. Now, I have no idea whether or not the parts are technically compatible (but geometrically different), or if they're just no good for each other (like alcohol and me).
Sweet!
That's pretty sweet! What are you using the front camera for?
Jamie
jamieay said:
That's pretty sweet! What are you using the front camera for?
Jamie
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Um... Not much, actually. Not yet, anyway.
See, the next step in my plan was to flash my rom to something with a 3g dialer and something a damn sight quicker than the stock rom - I've been eyeing the latest stable Phoenix release for a while now, but I admit that I've been hesitant for fear of bricking my phone.
Really, I've just been showing it off, and hoping that someone who sees it will ask "Oh, cool! Are you using it with application X?" and inadvertently give me a good idea, and then I can say "Application X? That's old news - I haven't used application X in, like, months!" And then I'll go download application X immediately.
In truth, I haven't been able to find all that much in the way of video chat for Windows Mobile, whether over wifi or 3g.
Anyone heard of anything good?
Ignore this post - deleted duplicate of above.
Related
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=339
Jeff
thanks but its been posted allready
Should have known.
Jeff
I still don't think it's worth ruining the camera lens.
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I still don't think it's worth ruining the camera lens.
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The camera lens is bellow the cover, so you are not ruining it, just exposing it. Also the cover comes out without permanent damage, so you can always glue it back in again.
It makes a dramatic difference to picture quality - no more blurry pictures.
Here's an example picture with the lens cover off.
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this is a very stupid idea..to remove the lens glass that not onlyprotects your camera lens, but also helps avoid dust accumulating inside your camera...why do this for a very miniscul improvement....not only do u void ur manufacturer one year warrenty but also any chance of getting a warrenty/insurance with att or tmobile which do give insurance on their phones(even though they dont carry the phone u could trick them into thinking its a wing...possibley then making them replace your tilt with a tytn iV or touch pro if they get it...POSSIBLEY)
seriously..just stick to the fixes like nadavis camera fix, the resoluton and shutteroff tricks and whatever else fixes people have come out with cuz they dont void your warrenty...and trust me the drivers will come sooner or later. If not from HTC it will be developed by another brilliant soul from the touch pros drivers or another new devices drivers some how or some other way...just be patient fella.
It's not really anything to do with driver of software fixes, there is a real problem with the hardware design in that interior dust and exterior smears accumulate on that little window and ruin perfectly good pictures. I'm not convinced that removing the window is the best answer, but it does at least bring a clear improvement that no amount of software tweaking ever will.
What's really needed is a bit of foam or something inside to at least keep the dust out. I might look into that.
Just take the battery cover off when you want to take a picture. Seems a lot easier to me.
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Just take the battery cover off when you want to take a picture. Seems a lot easier to me.
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Really? I always find it's really difficult to actually get that cover off, and that's probably for the best too - I wouldn't want to make it loose and rattly.
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Just take the battery cover off when you want to take a picture. Seems a lot easier to me.
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Ive tried taking the battery cover off for a while. It has the same effect, but of course:
a) you look pretty weird taking pictures with your battery cover off.
b) it takes some time to do, meaning you cant take spontaneous pictures.
c) I feel the battery may fall out when doing doing this.
I think it may be a good idea to put a small foam ring around the hole to keep dust out, but so far its not been a gigantic issue. Remember the dust cant possibly get under the screen, as its a separate assembly to the base where the camera is, so a bit of dust is not necessarily a big deal.
Surur
Clean the cover
Why not just clean the cover? I got some Meguiar's PlastX clear plastic cleaner and spent 5 minutes cleaning the cover. I then wiped the cover down with a lens cleaning wipe. The whole process took about 7 minutes. I took a picture with the cover off (the whole back cover) and with the cover on after cleaning. They look exactly the same.
There are many awesome hack on the software side!
Now let's see some hardware hacking... Especially mod to get the second camera on the tilt.
POST YOUR HARDWARE HACK PIXS HHAARRRR!
I will start with mine, nothing crazy really, just replaced the ugly AT&T silver keys with the original all black keys.
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I turned the flash off to get the light on the keyboard, but the LCD screen glares
I predict this thread may die .__.
The original AT&T keys was ripped out off the Tilt, got destroyed
Behind the keyboard keys is an adhesive (sticky) layer that sticked to...
The flex board, plastic keys with adhesive will be laid on top of this
(This is a broken flex that ripped out of the Tilt. This flex is permanently adhesive to the original qwerty housing, rip it out will break the flex, which I did... but I have another one so I am safe)
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I predict this thread may die .__.
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Yup!!!
I just want to encourage someone to hack the second camera on to the Tilt!!!
I wanna see it happen!!! PwEASE HACK THAT SECOND CAM, SOMEONE... without bricking the phone, ofcourse
I think a safer option would be to sell the Tilt and then buy a model that has the front camera.
dancj said:
I think a safer option would be to sell the Tilt and then buy a model that has the front camera.
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That's not fun, beside ~ it's a better deal to get a Tilt for way cheaper, especially refurbished ~ then hack it
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Yup!!!
I just want to encourage someone to hack the second camera on to the Tilt!!!
I wanna see it happen!!! PwEASE HACK THAT SECOND CAM, SOMEONE... without bricking the phone, ofcourse
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AT&T doesn't support video calling.....
kaiserII101 said:
AT&T doesn't support video calling.....
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But it's still kool to have a front camera for self-shoot photos.
Branded phone are often a downgrade, from design to tech >: ( They either screw it up with bad colors ~ or downgrade something.
The T-Mobile version is so feminine ~ and AT&T decided to have silver keys in between black keys?!!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!!!
I don't care what it is, it's just kool to unbrand a branded phone!!! Branded phones (modified by some non-artist-eyes marketing retard) are often not as kool as the original factory design.
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But it's still kool to have a front camera for self-shoot photos.
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I don't care what it is, it's just kool to unbrand a branded phone!!!
Branded phones [...] are often not as kool as the original factory design.
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For all the people that want a cool phone
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Hehe.
I have an idea for you: Buy a TyTN II (with front camera). Dismantle it. Open your Tilt, remove everything, and drill a hole in the front plate. Take what was in the TytN II, put it in the Tilt case. There you'll have a modded Tilt with front camera
Or you could just keep the TyTN II.
On a more serious note:
Yup!!!
I just want to encourage someone to hack the second camera on to the Tilt!!!
I wanna see it happen!!! PwEASE HACK THAT SECOND CAM, SOMEONE... without bricking the phone, ofcourse
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There have already been numerous threads about it, and if all those who have had that idea gave up, there must be a reason. One is that front cams are pretty much impossible to find. Another if I remember well is that there's no connection for the cam in the Tilt anyway, so you'd have to replace enough components to end with what I was actually saying earlier, a TyTN II in a Tilt case.
In the end, why don't you just try it yourself if you want it so badly?
Well, spending for a TyTN is too expensive, spending on a Tilt make sense during this hard time. With the right mind and skill, I think anything is possible... next attempt, making the Kaiser into a Helio Duo slider ~ YEAH!!! LOL, jk ~ ... hrrmmm... maybe it's possible ... let's see...
RU high on caffeine or something? JK
I wouldn't call keyboard swapping a hack really... :/ additional ram, leds, irda, speakers, anything... but an ordinary swap one for another?? meh....
I for one think that this thread is a Good Thing®. It's nice to see people still doing things with the Tilt (and Kaiser in general). Some of us like the tilting screen!
Thanks kaiser_user, and let's see some more hacks!
Well.. I'm an electronics engineer, and hacking is nearly second nature for me... adding backlight control to HDTV, adding internal 3G modem to laptop, adding remote trigger to digicam,...
But my Kaiser is one of the very rare of my electronic devices that hasn't even been dismantled once. Simply because I wouldn't see what to do to it as it's fine for me as it is, I've had no problem with it, etc.
BTW, mine is a TyTN II with front camera, I got one because it was just frustrating me to buy a tilt without one... and I've never used it even once. So, it wouldn't be a hack I'd consider either...
My problem is in the camera lens, the special treatment fades...
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I don't know if SE can't fix it in guarantee.
My pictures quality is affect, juste see the pictures :
2 exemple before :
2 exemple after :
My pictures are fuzzy and too "grey".
I have send a e-mail toi SE, no answer.
I call in this week...
If you have the same probleme, and if the quality is affect... Thanks
So I'm sure now that's impossible to take again this type of pictures... :
Pardon me but I don't see any problem with the "after" pictures.
Half of my coating was off just after 4 days (or less, I noticed it only on the forth day), so I did not get a chance to take "before" shots.
Still, do you remember doing anything to your phone to cause it to be like it. Was it always like this?
i have your same problem, also i take much care on it!
sry i m italian..
What do you use to clean your phone? Or do you not clean it at all?
My lens is also so...But i must say i dont know how it get so...Maybe it come so in purchase...Very bad lens i must say...
williamn said:
What do you use to clean your phone? Or do you not clean it at all?
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I use the same product to clean glasses...
ANd my x1 are always protected....
:/
Got exactly the same problem. It has annoyed me for a long time and makes my camera useless. I have been thinking of sending the phone in, but I dont like to be without my phone for several weeks, besides, how many days will it tike before the problem reappears? unless they are aware of the problem, and have a fix for it. And as everybody else, I take very good care of the phone
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My problem is in the camera lens, the special treatment fades...
I don't know if SE can't fix it in guarantee.
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i noticed the same thing yesterday on my xperia,
however i believed its sort of moisture left behind the lens,after my little son pee on my x1,i rubbed it instantly,just after that i realised camera was not upto the mark,i still strongly believe its the reason,
else u notice one thing,
only the circle has those scratch like look,and not that whole hexagon shape,only the cirle
so if it scrathed why doesnt the rest..!
hopefully its just moisture and goes away with time,..
...i have the same problem too...
picture in daylight have a kind of "dreamy filter"!!!
By nigth have no big problem!
...sorry double post
lol dreamy fliter
it is actually moisture,i'm 99% sure atm,
it must have gone like that,when we cleaned lens with some fluids,
for me as i said my 4 month son pee on it
as my camera view & shots are much better now,however not as it was yet,
i gave it direct sunlight for 2-3mins 5-6 times in patches and kept rubbing it with soft cotton to give it some warmth,
i assume in 2-3 days it will be all better
To me it looks like it is some kind of filter that is getting worn down. My lense has become less resistant to direct light giving the picture an halo/dreamy look with lots of lens flares
Parano!d said:
i noticed the same thing yesterday on my xperia,
however i believed its sort of moisture left behind the lens,after my little son pee on my x1,i rubbed it instantly,just after that i realised camera was not upto the mark,i still strongly believe its the reason,
else u notice one thing,
only the circle has those scratch like look,and not that whole hexagon shape,only the cirle
so if it scrathed why doesnt the rest..!
hopefully its just moisture and goes away with time,..
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He pee'd on your x1
Haha
U know what? i had mine for about 2 or 3 months now, and im very watchful of it. I notice my lens is starting to have those little marks too. Before it gets worse, i quickly bought a screen guard and just put it over the lens.
Problem solved
My lens instead has a sort of scratch... But I can't imagine I'm responsible for that, I took good care of my X1... Anyone has this problem too? Fortunately I can't make it out on pictures (yet).
But the those scratches are inside, not outside...for me is a construction problem of the lens! I don't like so much that false "dreamy filter" but, now i have and i have no money to change...hurra!!!!!
I've got the same kind of "foggy scratches" on the lens. The pictures seems to be out of focus and like using a soft filter. I compare the pictures taken in the beginnig and there is a big difference...
Hello, I´ve "had" the same problem. ( Im German, sorry about my english ).
As is noticed that Problem, I send my X1 back to Sony to repair. Then i got it back and the lens was okay.
Then after 2 Weeks i´ve got the same Problem again. I made Pictures from the lens, an pictures with the X1.
BUT : i have rub with the fingernail over the lens very hard. And wow : the lens is now 99% clear again. I don´t know where the dirt came from, and what it was ..... but now it´s gone....confused case.....
Here my pictures :
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Got exactly the same problem as in the first post and picture. I like to ride my bike and yeah I swet a lot during that LOL And I noticed recently that the pictures are "foggy". So I asked in our repair centre and they said it's actualy my problem. The same will hapen to your ordinary camera lens, if it comes to contact with sweat or saltwater. Also fingerprints are chemicaly agressive. If you leave it like this for a week or so, it'll gets more difficult to remove.
How did I fix this:
Basicaly, there are two ways. One is to get smooth finger file. Really smooth one. But if you don't take enough smooth one, you'll damage the lens.
So the other way is to take a tissue or old t-shirt and just clean the lens for few minutes. I tried and after 15 minutes it was gone and pictures are same as before - crappy but not foggy LOL
It's because the lens has same special layer as on digicams. Try to touch the digicam lens, leave it like that for a week or so, and you'll see
edit: it has nothing to do with scratches on your lens. I do have scratches as well, but it'll look different in the picture. The problem described here is simply what I wrote above - sweat and/or fingerprints
Hi guyz!
I just wanted to share my experience with my o2x those days... For a long time I was getting some blury photos with a bit of too much brighnes, and I didnt know what to do. After a lil accident with my phone, the backcover of the phone, the little black plastic that covers the camera was cracked in the corner. So I decided to just remove it and dont give a f**k
Thats the sh*t Im talking about, the little black thing there
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19114954/cameraLOL/plastika i tako to.jpg
Well, I did that and this is what happend... here is a compare of my photos with the black cover to the left, and without the plastic cover to the right.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk3uao0amwmhwwc/before-after.jpg
P.S. The plastic glass that covered my cam wasnt damaged and I was cleaning it...
Everyone can try it, take a picture with your backcase and then remove the backcase and take a picture again
Hope someone is gonna be happy like me !!!
As a technician I can suggest the best in house fat stain cleaning method.... it is
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oh... wrong image thats the weekend brain emmc eraser, but I'll leave...
This ONE
Just stick it and remove it... as scotch isn't very strong tape, it only removes the fat and leaves the transparent plastic in perfect clean state!
use it on all surfaces, try out on the screen first, you'll see how it works!
That's the old trick with our optimus There are threads mentioning this,some people got better results some don't see any difference
I removed plastic cover from mine long time ago and have some improvement
yes, when I want good pictures I remove the back cover, but I would like to buy another back cover and remove that piece of plastic just in case I want to protect it again with the original one.
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As a technician I can suggest the best in house fat stain cleaning method.... it is
oh... wrong image thats the weekend brain emmc eraser, but I'll leave...
This ONE
Just stick it and remove it... as scotch isn't very strong tape, it only removes the fat and leaves the transparent plastic in perfect clean state!
use it on all surfaces, try out on the screen first, you'll see how it works!
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Omg man, you're awesome. I took a picture with the cover before cleaning the plastic, another after cleaning it and one without the cover, I'm amazed!
With the plastic clean the picture is as good or maybe better than without the cover, it's amazing!
Before cleaning it the camera performed really bad. Too bad that the plastic gets oiled so easily, but this tape trick works and very very good, thank you very much
good work!! been taking crap pic for ages thinking it was just cm10.1 cam
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good work!! been taking crap pic for ages thinking it was just cm10.1 cam
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Yes, old discussion
With the plastic cover of the sensor (why LG did it??) we have to take care (clean) of:
1) external side of the plastic
2) internal side of plastic
3) external side of sensor
P.S. plus... scratches/abrasion in the transparent plastic cover (internal and external..).
Doing this, there are no doubts: the qualty improvement is a fact.
torq1337 said:
Hi guyz!
I just wanted to share my experience with my o2x those days... For a long time I was getting some blury photos with a bit of too much brighnes, and I didnt know what to do. After a lil accident with my phone, the backcover of the phone, the little black plastic that covers the camera was cracked in the corner. So I decided to just remove it and dont give a f**k
Thats the sh*t Im talking about, the little black thing there
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19114954/cameraLOL/plastika i tako to.jpg
Well, I did that and this is what happend... here is a compare of my photos with the black cover to the left, and without the plastic cover to the right.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bk3uao0amwmhwwc/before-after.jpg
P.S. The plastic glass that covered my cam wasnt damaged and I was cleaning it...
Everyone can try it, take a picture with your backcase and then remove the backcase and take a picture again
Hope someone is gonna be happy like me !!!
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can confirm that . Just try and work . Hvala stari :good:
I made 2 photos.
Before cleaning the plastic glass, and after.
Awesome change!
tapatalked with LG P990
Awesome
wow what a major difference, shame the phone is a fingerprint, grease magnet
I don't have this plastic cover for year maybe, it just felt of
I've removed the plastic and the improvements are amazing. But still, it's a really bad camera..
Using other apps instead the stock camera the quality improves. Camera360 works good with this phone
Improve the input, and the output improves
Hi Guyzzzz ...!
Anyone tried google cardboard vr or any other vr headset on g2 please share experience
Here's mine
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Made one with illustration board. I tried using the magnifying glass lens I have laying around (I conveniently have 2) but it doesn't get the job done. Everything looks blurred until I move the phone 4 inch farther... so that's why it is required to have lens with 40-45mm focal length (regardless of diameter, I think)
I'll be making another one out of vinyl tiles while I'm looking for the proper lenses here in my area.
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Made one with illustration board. I tried using the magnifying glass lens I have laying around (I conveniently have 2) but it doesn't get the job done. Everything looks blurred until I move the phone 4 inch farther... so that's why it is required to have lens with 40-45mm focal length (regardless of diameter, I think)
I'll be making another one out of vinyl tiles while I'm looking for the proper lenses here in my area.
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Looks like a pretty neat job
i too have everything just lens are hard to find still looking i found lens of 30mm focal length but getting confused will it work or not
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Looks like a pretty neat job
i too have everything just lens are hard to find still looking i found lens of 30mm focal length but getting confused will it work or not
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I think that focal length is too short? But give it a try, maybe it'll work. Report back when it did :cyclops:
tunichi01 said:
I think that focal length is too short? But give it a try, maybe it'll work. Report back when it did :cyclops:
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haan no way man i not spending 5 dollars just to experiment and that shop keeper said he won't exchange or reture if they didn't work out i am gonna wait for monday for new stuff :good:
Just bought one of these and it fits my e970 and d800 without issue.
http://www.dxsoul.com/product/neje-...-4-7-smartphones-black-901332676#.VGdvmfnF_5M
pls tell me what does it do, i cant completely understand it. does it allow u to view screen as 3d??
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pls tell me what does it do, i cant completely understand it. does it allow u to view screen as 3d??
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depends on the app. Do a search for Google Cardboard. Its still a very young market, so apps are limited. I have one app that's for watching videos, but the rest are pretty much demos of 3d experiences (google earth, roller coaster, street view). The apps split the screen into two and the headset allows each eye to get one view
But the first time people use it..... A long ....woooooowwwwww....
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Here's mine, everything works fine with my G2
Hi! How are you use magnet stick? I click it but nothing happened,may be reason in CM12?
pokatusher said:
Hi! How are you use magnet stick? I click it but nothing happened,may be reason in CM12?
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Hi, the magnetometer is near IR blaster, so I have to lock my phone in the glass as high as possible to make the magnet stick work
Thank you, it work, but very shaky. May be we can change magnet to more powerful (from hard drive, e.g.)? Or can use voice, or headeset button?
In my case, I use 2 ferrite magnets and hold the phone like I do above. I think you can modify the glass with a lower magnet slider
I tried a bigger neodymium magnet (20mm diameter, 5mm thick) and it didn't work.
Voice or headset button: depends on your apps