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Kaser overclock

Which software to use?

In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...

try this out guys. application specific.

All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.

anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?

Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
d

I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:

has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.

With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life

ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...

I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion

punkhawaiian said:
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).

The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).

How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!

someone found a tool that really works ?

WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!

I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me

Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !

dizzy33 said:
Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.

MACkjam said:
I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
MACkjam said:
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.

Emulation on the Kaiser - Good or Bad?

Hopefully someone who has both the Hermes and Kaiser can tell me which is the better pda to use emulators with. I currently have the Touch which I am more than happy with except for the slower cpu and lack of hardware keys. I mainly use the emulators for the Snes, GBA and Atari ST.
As I spend 75% of the time trying to play emulator games on the Touch the speed of emulation and lack of hardware keys is a real problem sometimes. I had my heart set on getting a Kaiser but have recently come across threads in the Kaiser forum regarding problems with the Video/CPU drivers for the Kaiser. I assume this would affect the speed of emulation.
So I was not sure whether to look at getting a Hermes instead as it is a lot cheaper and possibly more compatible with Emulators. Do you think it would be much faster than the ELF and worth getting?
What would you advise me to do?
Thanks, meddle

I'd say for your purposes, get an Hermes.
The question is, what is more important to you, a communication device or an emulator

Emulation is probably No 1 for me. Other than that MP3, Video Playback and a communicator in last place. I have a GPS for the car already so the advantages of the Kaiser don't really come into question unless someone thinks it out performs the Hermes for emulator/games.

meddleuk said:
Emulation is probably No 1 for me. Other than that MP3, Video Playback and a communicator in last place. I have a GPS for the car already so the advantages of the Kaiser don't really come into question unless someone thinks it out performs the Hermes for emulator/games.
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I only play Emulation when I have nothing to do with my phone.
Im using eGens, eMorphGear, and eSNES as Emulation. The speed on my AT&T Tilt is great on loading time and play. I would say you may want to look at 400MHz and above speed for your needs.
For gaming I like T-Mobile MDA better because of hardware keys. Its much easier to fire or to jump. They put all the keys together on Tilt, so makes very hard to do move and shoot at same time. I end up using keyboard on the screen to shoot and to jump.
IMO, MDA is better for gaming but the speed is at 200MHz unless you OC to 260MHz (stable).
After all, what you are looking at is hardware buttons & CPU speed for your games.

get a Dell Axim x51v -it's the best device for emulation

The only problem with the Hermes and games is that it has no diagonal movements on the joypad.

Still speaking of the x51v (sorry for my being pretty terse in my last post - I've sent it from my Universal and didn't want to thumbtype much), you may want to check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...s - for both games and productivity platforms to see how the x51v runs emulators.
If I were you, I'd stay away from all 2.8" HTC models because of the touch screen bug - you'll find it VERY irritating with emulators with on-screen controls / buttons (particularly if you press and hold them).

Menneisyys said:
If I were you, I'd stay away from all 2.8" HTC models because of the touch screen bug - you'll find it VERY irritating with emulators with on-screen controls / buttons (particularly if you press and hold them).
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Excuse me, could you explain what this bug on htc phones is about? Never heard about a bug with on screen buttons. I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Thank you.

DaveLeh said:
Excuse me, could you explain what this bug on htc phones is about? Never heard about a bug with on screen buttons. I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Thank you.
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see for example the "Touchscreen CPU usage issues" section at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=First reports on the, now, GPS-enabled HTC Trinity
(the same is true of the Kaiser)

Menneisyys said:
see for example the "Touchscreen CPU usage issues" section at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=First reports on the, now, GPS-enabled HTC Trinity
(the same is true of the Kaiser)
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Thank you very much. That is indeed a grave matter and it is much more grave that HTC seems to do nothing against "bugs?", when you look at how old this problem is. Unbelievable that it is still there on the brand new Kaiser.
It seems that HTC is not very friendly towards customer reports (another example would be the missing 3d support on the new Qualcomm devices).
But maybe you can avoid this problem by using hardware buttons where possible.

One thing I didn't realize is that the Hermes has only a 5 way directional D-pad so there is no way to do diagonal moves.
Funny thing is my Touch can do diagonal moves play Bubble Bobble for instance but I can only map "left, right, up, down" so I assume it can tell that both Up and Left are being pressed at the same time.
Does the Kaiser have the same issue with the D-pad.

I would keep the Kaier if I were you. Your gonna be sorry when you have a hermes when the kaiser finally get's 3D drivers and an Overclock Utility. Also the hermes only has a 5-directional pad, while the kaiser can support all 9 directions =).
get the kaiser, there are many many games out there it will still play, including real ppc games, and ports for games, see my youtube video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQco1NoE7Y

DaveLeh said:
Thank you very much. That is indeed a grave matter and it is much more grave that HTC seems to do nothing against "bugs?", when you look at how old this problem is. Unbelievable that it is still there on the brand new Kaiser.
It seems that HTC is not very friendly towards customer reports (another example would be the missing 3d support on the new Qualcomm devices).
But maybe you can avoid this problem by using hardware buttons where possible.
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You can, but on-screen tap areas (particularly with autofire - then, they require constant tap=and-holding) are REALLY great with MANY emulators.

mikeeey said:
I would keep the Kaier if I were you. Your gonna be sorry when you have a hermes when the kaiser finally get's 3D drivers
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... in what timeframe?
IMHO, having a cheap, non-gaming/emulation-oriented converged unit (not necessarily th Hermes) & getting a cheapo x51v is a better idea for the time being if he does need emulation.

I like the look of the X51v as a powerful emulation device, videos on Youtube really show it off, but the lack of a Phone means I would have to carry 2 devices around and it also looks a little on the large side.
I was looking at swapping my Touch for a Kaiser but after reading thread after thread about the poor Video/Game playback I have really been put off. If there was any encouraging news from HTC about driver support I may have given it a go but I don't want to swap my Touch when it can actually out perform the Kaiser in this respect. Although their is a Poll a lot of people on the forum don't seem to hold out much hope for this being sorted by HTC which is a terrible shame.
The Hermes looked a good second choice but after reading threads in the forum about problems with the D-pad (only 5 way - non diagonal) and the inability to correctly distinguish more than 2 button presses at the same time which can hamper action games I have again been put off. Other than the problems with the D-pad and keys this seemed to tick all the boxes for me.
Menneisyys you are the expert regarding Emulators here and thank you for your recomendation on the X51v. But could you recomend another device that is converged and would offer more power/hardware keys than the Touch.
Thanks for everyone's advice also!

pda for emulation? come on man, nothing's gonna be as good as a psp with a hacked firmware.

Menneisyys said:
... in what timeframe?
IMHO, having a cheap, non-gaming/emulation-oriented converged unit (not necessarily th Hermes) & getting a cheapo x51v is a better idea for the time being if he does need emulation.
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well i have a feeling we wont be waiting TOO long, but who knows.

S710 vs S730

I hade both phones in my hand so I decided to make small test. We all know about drivers problem on S730 but this is worst then I thought.
Both phones where running wm6, and both phones where restarted before testing.
Total RAM:
S710: 49.3 MB
S730: 43.6 MB
S710 wins here...
Why is here a difference I don't know, but I think that missing memory of 64MB RAM is reserverd for phone or graphic operation.
Free RAM after power on:
S710: 25.2 MB
S730: 17.0 MB
Again S710 wins...
As I didn't have any programs for graphic performance testing I tested pure user experience. Menu browsing is a little bit faster on S710, drawing homescreen by pressing home button is a much faster on S710, allmost instantaneous.
And now the real test. I loaded on both device pretty large web page in ie. Page was combined of photos and text. I scroled from top to bottom and maesured time needed for scrolling. S730 was more then 2 times slower and he has 400Mhz process vs 200Mhz procesor on S710, total disaster. So based on hardware, S730 is 5 times slower then S710, this is a big shame for HTC.
I hope HTC will fix this driver issues soon, because in this state this devices is
shame for HTC company...

my S730 can playback most video files without conversion compared to the S710
also, the bluetooth stereo audio quality is much improved with the S730
i changed my S730 homescreen from the default to my own custom one, and it loads much faster now
i use opera webbrowser and everything is much quicker
the S710 still has better RAM handling though
but i'd still take my S730, only because I use it more for media/video playback

for the drivers issue:
everyone should participate!!!+ http://www.htcclassaction.org/

That's actually just the type of info I've been looking for! Thanks! I have been seriously debating whether to upgrade to the HTC S730 or the HTC Touch Cruise, but your review just about confirms it for me.
My freaking over that a year old HTC Tornado (Qtek 8310) plays movies perfectly and running WM6 on a custom ROM has listed:
48.69 MB RAM Total
25.52 MB RAM Free (upon startup)
If HTC would just get their act together!!! Otherwise please Apple release a 2nd gen IPhone with 16GB and an open SDK, and I'll be an immediate convert.

sonus said:
That's actually just the type of info I've been looking for! Thanks! I have been seriously debating whether to upgrade to the HTC S730 or the HTC Touch Cruise, but your review just about confirms it for me.
My freaking over that a year old HTC Tornado (Qtek 8310) plays movies perfectly and running WM6 on a custom ROM has listed:
48.69 MB RAM Total
25.52 MB RAM Free (upon startup)
If HTC would just get their act together!!! Otherwise please Apple release a 2nd gen IPhone with 16GB and an open SDK, and I'll be an immediate convert.
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well... actually the touch cruise has the same "problem" as the s730, lack of proper graphic driver.
concerning the 710 vs 730... well not certainly a huge improvement, but i would not hesitate a sec to go for the latter. actually you can find proper comparison tests, even in this section of the forum if you look back at the first posts.
cheers

Thanks vrolok. I guess my concern is that if I'm going to spend over $500 on an HTC device, I want a legitimate upgrade from my last device... As far as my last statement, I guess I spoke too quickly, 16GB IPhone was announced today<<<It still needs A2DP, and SDK, and Skype for me to switch over tho ;-)
For now, I guess I'll just continue on with my lowly Qtek until either HTC or Apple provide some more impetus.

I really hope for new drivers. update firmware in my opinion can solve the problem with s730. I think that htc will perform something about s730, actually if you see in the official site, the relative s730 part is under construction, because without any download like the other product, actually it's N E W !!!

Precisely. Optimised firmware can turn the situation into oposite.

Or HTC will concentrate to new models without updating the firmware on old ones ;-)

According to my experiences with Wings and Qtek 8310, event this "slow" ROM gives me almost twice more speed at activesync and copying data (~450KB/s), as well as with Card Export i can copy almost at 800KB/s speed..

omadon99 said:
I hade both phones in my hand so I decided to make small test. We all know about drivers problem on S730 but this is worst then I thought.
Both phones where running wm6, and both phones where restarted before testing.
Total RAM:
S710: 49.3 MB
S730: 43.6 MB
S710 wins here...
Why is here a difference I don't know, but I think that missing memory of 64MB RAM is reserverd for phone or graphic operation.
Free RAM after power on:
S710: 25.2 MB
S730: 17.0 MB
Again S710 wins...
As I didn't have any programs for graphic performance testing I tested pure user experience. Menu browsing is a little bit faster on S710, drawing homescreen by pressing home button is a much faster on S710, allmost instantaneous.
And now the real test. I loaded on both device pretty large web page in ie. Page was combined of photos and text. I scroled from top to bottom and maesured time needed for scrolling. S730 was more then 2 times slower and he has 400Mhz process vs 200Mhz procesor on S710, total disaster. So based on hardware, S730 is 5 times slower then S710, this is a big shame for HTC.
I hope HTC will fix this driver issues soon, because in this state this devices is
shame for HTC company...
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Maybe. But when it comes to load a big program, like pocket snes (super nintendo emulator) the s710 is sooo slow! When I run the same program on my s730 it plays real fast just like using a super nintendo console!
In my opinion, the new 400mhz processor makes a really BIG difference.

overclock

hello ,i m a french
I want know if somebody overclock diamond with a soft, and, if yes, is there some problems, or not, accelerate the 3D flow, and other appli...
...thank s

Hello, almost neighborou, I am Czech. I have Diamond for one day, but I spend hours findong some info - here is shortly what I know: Yes, Diamond has some Graphic Drivers, but still nothing exciting yet. It seems that 3D drivers are much better than 2D here. If you want a proof, a can say that on TyTN 2 in some bench thay gave 140 FPS, but Diamond gave only 80! Of course TyTN had experimental drivers. This means that Diamond has big reserves in performance, and they are waiting to be used. The 7201A dualcore CPU is basicly high-end technology theoretcally much better than Xscale CPUs, but its bad optimalised. (I heared that new Google phone will have one, but I am not sure). Yes, CoreCodec can use QTv, but now it is almost clear that Diamond has moch more to offer from HW. So, Oc will not help you, only new ROM can. There are many great pople and many ROM´s, and there is also preassure on HTC to come with better drivers, and personally I think it will be bigger and bigger, due to Touch Pro. So just wait, it take some time, but I trust there will be more power than you need sometimes.

Not impressed by current ROMs

Hey,
Firstly, I would like to thank all the developers for making efforts to develop a decent rom for the Xperia. I have tried every single one of them.
Unfortunately I couldn't fall in love with any of them.
Somehow I sense that it must me me that is doing something if other older HTC devices seem to be running way faster on customized roms than the experia with so much hardware potential.
Anyone has the same feeling?
Kind Regards

no.
EDIT: For the sake of order: I've used an HTC Trinity before, which was MUCH slower - even with ultra light roms and maximum free RAM. I compared with the TyTn II, which has just awful landscape-switching speed and was overall slower. Compared with the Touch Pro, I don't see any big differences - and if, with slight advantages for the X1.
So, no, I don't think the X1 is slow or not smooth enough. It just depends on what you're running. TouchFlo3D just slows the system down significantly - even on the (original) HTC devices (like Diamond, Touch Pro or Touch HD).

this is the same comments coming everytime there is a new device.
Look at in.ex polaris...ok device, a bit slow. Now it have optimized 2d and 3d drivers, its damn fast compared to what it used to be...but that didnt happen with a snap of our fingers..
we are just in the beginning of working on x1
So please, be as unimpressed as you want.
have a nice day
cheers

Well, one should not forget, that the x1 has 25% more pixels than Diamond or Touch Pro and even 400% more pixels than Tytn II & Co ...