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I've got a Tilt and recently copied over some movies that I had for my Blackjack and my Curve. For whatever reason, with TCPMP, they don't look nearly as good on my phone. There's a lot more noise in the picture with artifacts and pixelation, etc., plus the picture is not very smooth... low FPS I'm guessing.
I'm going to re-encode all of these but I'd like to get some opinions on what the best video bit-rate, fps, audio bit-rate would be for this. I was doing 320x240 at around 220Kbps, 24FPS and 64Kbps for audio. What should I increase/decrease?
Thanks!
Welcome to the multimedai hell of the Kaiser/Tilt
Your problem probably is the same problem we all have with the Kiaser/Tilt displaying video. The drivers are not available for smooth smooth video display, neither in games nor multimedia.
You may try to tweak your source media using diff bitrates etc, I have done so, and even then experience tearing, lockups, pixelation, and tons of dropped frames.
I encourage you to sign the petition asking HTC to fix this problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500
Otherwise, even the best tweaking and re-transcoding of the source media does not help much at all as far as I can see.
If you encode at 320x240 with audio at 96k or 128k with a total bitrate under 500k it will play great on Kaiser with TCPMP. I've encoded at this rate for Archos boxes and ViPods and my vids look good and play well on all.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll try that out and cross my fingers...
I tried video podcasts downloaded from iTunes. These are in MPEG4 format and when played with the builtin PMP10, audio and video are not in sync. It really takes the joy out from the experience when you can't just download the video files directly to your Kaiser but have to re-encode them on a PC first.
Yeah I was quite surprised to find how unimpressive the playback was. I came from in iPhone, then a Blackjack, and lastly a Curve. They all seemed to play video pretty well and what's odd is that the Blackjack was one of the best - with WM5... go figure...
IMHO nothing can beat the iPhone in video playback quality but since I need a few other things in my phone, I had to ditch it.
For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?
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For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?
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The problem is only related to phones that have the Qualcomm 7200 CPU, which is the kaiser, touch dual and maybe the touch cruise, the dual plays videos very badly to and even dragging solitaire cards around the screen it's very stuttery
My original touch however does everything very smoothly using it's 201mhz omap 850 cpu, can play videos with bitrates up to 600k without stuttering
HTC need to get these bloody drivers out
Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.
How about the best settings for Coreplayer as well. Also running Sleuth 3.0. Sleuth any comments, you seem to have Coreplayer as well.
Jckf said:
Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.
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There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default
I'm copying videos that are not converted in any special way to play back good on mobile devices.
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dwny said:
There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default
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guys what dwny said is right .....but also you can search online for any dvd to ipod (zune) program and it will work as good also!!
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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.
You know, sometimes, you just happens to have badly ripped (poorly, or improperly or whatever but someone else did it and you don't have control) video but would like to watch it.
So, looking for better settings to improve the viewing.....
Latest video codec? audio codec? cache? how to set it? Where to get it from?........
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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.
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Why wouldn't you just encode it to the natural screen size, and why wouldn't it having to resize bigger rips slow it down?
This is a pretty strange post.. Walking a mile is easier than running a mile. Walking a mile with nothing on your back is easier than walking a mile with Yoda on your back.
Common sense
Hi,
which mediaplayer is best for the diamond, or in other words, which support the video accelerator chip (QTv ?). Today I installed Nero Media Player Pro, but it either failed to render TV-Rips (std.~350mb only 1-2sec playback) or very chunky playback of 320h mov files/trailers. Obviously no support of the QTv here.
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Hi,
which mediaplayer is best for the diamond, or in other words, which support the video accelerator chip (QTv ?). Today I installed Nero Media Player Pro, but it either failed to render TV-Rips (std.~350mb only 1-2sec playback) or very chunky playback of 320h mov files/trailers. Obviously no support of the QTv here.
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well sheer power wise, TCPMP is the best media player for any mobile platform but i doubt that it supports the accelerometer and the interface isn't exaclty finer freindly.
Try coreplayer
I've been using coreplayer as well... works great, no conversion needed really... pretty much plays everything...
I'd agree that TCPMP is best for me
I have found that running movies through PocketDivXEncoder first improves the view. I need to test the settings a bit more but video quality between 14 and 20 at full resolution looks great so far (audio 6 or 7)
thanks for your recommendations, will try them.
does any of those support upnp ? like to stream some videofiles from my nas box. therefore reencoding first to divx isn't really an option for me..
btw. while playing around with mediaplayers and wifi today, I burned the battery within TWO hours
Yeah. CorePlayer FTW! I hate TCPMP. CorePlayer is the best media player (video wise). Totally worth paying for. I'd suggest Conduit's Pocket Player for audio files or S2P.
Kraize
I got Core player and at first before i had the Elite 2.0 ROM it was playing really bad.
Now, For example, i have the last 2 episodes of the latest Doctor Who Series on my diamond and it plays them ReallY well. Its in Sync and its top quality video. I love the VGA screen!!
NOT: These are Xvids that are 500-600MB each so they havent been re-encoded
Hum I have bought coreplayer 1.2.5, if I see a film with the diamond native resolution, it is very slow. Is it normal ?
No problem with the resolution 240*320 but we have a very beautiful screen I would like to see my film on 480*640
Have a full avi rip here of a anime series and TCMP is really crap, it lags, choppy playbacks and freezes then plays. I really dont know how you guys are using it. I am using elite 3.0 and i did try it also on standard manufactures it was the same.
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Now, For example, i have the last 2 episodes of the latest Doctor Who Series on my diamond and it plays them ReallY well. Its in Sync and its top quality video. I love the VGA screen!!
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Which version and what settings of Core Player are you using ?
The resolution of the videos is more or less 640x480 ?
I tried like Diagorn the Core Player 1.2.5 and a lot of settings, but on my diamond high quality videos are really slow (the sound is ok, but images is like slideshow)
@yodjar
that is exactly what is happening to me the file itself is around 170mb and its about 22 mins long. Plays beutiful using my p.c and my universal (xda exec) and any other p.c with anything that can play the avi. Please post a solution here if you find one people who seem to have it working dont seem to say how it works it just does.
Nobody ?
I can't understand why this thing doesn't interest ppl more...
I have problems to see some videos
First Sorry for my english I am using a Traslatos then I correct it.
I had moved my videos that I have in my old Eten X800 to the Diamond, most of them can not see but heard, including some filmed with a Photograph camera or with the Eten. That may be happening? I am using the CorePlayer but the same thing happens with some in the Window Media Player 1.2.1 for Arm, with the same Core Player I can see the videos in the Eten.
Thanks Carlos
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Yes, Core player is better than TCPMP player I think since I told some videos using y canon ixus 60 and it wouldn't play on the window media player and on TCPMp is jerky but core player is very smooth.
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Yes, Core player is better than TCPMP player I think since I told some videos using y canon ixus 60 and it wouldn't play on the window media player and on TCPMp is jerky but core player is very smooth.
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There's a separate thread somewhere about supporting the Qtv chip on the Diamond - have a search if I don't find it before you.
i know the Diamond is positioned as a multi media phone, but every video/movie file i play on it is very jerky. From cartoons (southpark) to music videos and converted movies, they all play like crap. is there a way to improve the performance of video playback?
What player are you using?
I use CorePlayer. It plays perfectly smoothly. (both AVI's and H.264 mp4's)
I've just been using the stock player
Use CorePlayer.
When people ask a question, they put a question mark at the end.
so no free solutions/players to solve this issue, eh? Wasn't planning on spending $20 for a media player.
You can try TCPMP (the seed of CorePlayer). It´s not as much optimized but it´s much better than the Windows Media Player, and plays much more formats.
Search the forum for "TCPMP-0.72RC1-ARM-PPC-recomp-03.CAB". The standard version of TCPMP doesn't run in WM6.1, but this one does and includes the more common plugins (MP4, AC3, etc...).
Good luck.
I got some nasty vsynch issues when playin back AVIs using Coreplayer, both in Directdraw and GDI modes. I convert AVIs to 320x240 using SPB DVD, because native resolution (DVD format for the most) is quite sluggy. In 320x240 it's perfectly smooth, except those v-synch issues. Do you have the same issue ?
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I got some nasty vsynch issues when playin back AVIs using Coreplayer, both in Directdraw and GDI modes. I convert AVIs to 320x240 using SPB DVD, because native resolution (DVD format for the most) is quite sluggy. In 320x240 it's perfectly smooth, except those v-synch issues. Do you have the same issue ?
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I rendered to 320x240 also using tcpmp it plays smoothly, but only uses a small part of the screen. switching to fullscreen or zoom -> framelags about 20! secs. very disgusting. This Phone seems NOT to be a multimediaPhone
I'm using TCMP, think i use GDI mode.
No Vsync issues, no problems. 90% of media files work perfect (avi,divx,etc)
http://www.diemetrix.net/diemetrix/TCPMPforWM6.CAB
yes but in what quality and bitrate
edit: now thats weird I tried play same movie 640 x 364 avi and benchmark:
coreplayer QTv mode high quality 96%
TCPMP RAW dither on 99% so where is problem with QTv support??? Yeah and there is with GDI and also RAW discusting vsync issue
anyone know if its better xvid or divx in case of performance???
Guys i recently installed coreplayer for xperia. The issue i faced is the video playback is not upto the mark. Its kinda jerky and stops skips videos in between and not smooth.
Has anyone faced this issue with X1 by the way my friend has omnia and the same verison of coreplayer installed on his cell but the video playback is perfect without any skips.
same here...bought x1 5 days ago tried everything and that piece of crap doesnt work same as coreplayer :/ i downloaded the Video...Encoding...GUI_Full.HD stuff which converts video...converted one but the movie on X1 doesnt look like a movie !! it looks like a slideshow but guess what windows media player plays this video Perfectly...written by the big P so im asking wtf ??
the X1 does have some performance issues. this has been discussed several times in the past
the omnia performs a lot better because it has a much faster CPU and because the resolution is 1/4th of that of the xperia so it does not need to work as hard to get smooth playback
core player doesnt support x1 hardware acceleration... thats the main problem there
ok ok but what to do ? im playing aroung with it from the day i bought it and nothing that i tried helped and im a bit frustrated :/ i dont wanna use wmp
Maybe you should get an IPhooon its click and play no hussle and stuff no need to tweak and every thing works (well every thing that comes with it)
install custom rom... gfx booster... convert videos with tool posted here on forums and play them in media panel... no lag at all...
Media panel and converted movies is best solution. And no, you don't need custom rom.
Crystal player is just useless. Yeah, it's sad.
well thats wierd, i play 700mb highres avi files on coreplayer without any problem, maybe its the videos you try to play..? i only face lagging with flv files.
btw i have stock uk r3aa010
I found that some people find 80% speed 'perfect'. I can spot single dropped frame.
Run benchmark a post the results, subjective value is meaningless.
And yes, of course, it does depend on the movie. I play most of the 700mb movies under 90%.
i have not had any problems with coreplayer either....
The movie i am playing is in mkv format and around 500megs in size
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The movie i am playing is in mkv format and around 500megs in size
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1-Use HTC Touch HD video converter
2-Play your converted video with windows player or the media panel
3-Have fun
I have CorePlayer 1.3.2 and i played recently a movie DVD-Rip of 1.45 Gb straight copy and paste from my computer on Xperia. Had no problems, i watched the whole movi without lags, frameskips or sound not synchronized with video...
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I have CorePlayer 1.3.2 and i played recently a movie DVD-Rip of 1.45 Gb straight copy and paste from my computer on Xperia. Had no problems, i watched the whole movi without lags, frameskips or sound not synchronized with video...
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That I simply cannot believe. Post benchmark results, and movie info (resolution, bitrate).
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That I simply cannot believe. Post benchmark results, and movie info (resolution, bitrate).
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Me neither. 80% is what I usually get as speed with 1.3.2. Btw this DVD-Rip may be some small resolution, like 640x272.
I just don't get it, such a good phone with such a lousy movie playing capabilities.
OK... here's the facts.
It's all about perception. Some individuals can watch a movie that displays at 24fps (frames per second, which is the standard) and see a perfectly smooth movie. The brains fills in the gaps between each image and creates the illusion of full motion.
Some lucky individuals can look at a movie playing at 20fps and still see a smooth movie while most of us will perceive it as jerky.
Some unlucky individuals (myself included) find anything less than 30 fps to be jerky.
And finally. Coreplayer + xvid files do not use the acceleration feature of the chipset hence the standard *cough* downloaded tv show will usually be and 624 x 352 with a 912Kbps bit rate (These are average stats)
Will run at about 80%-85% framerate on your X1 giving you a fps of about 20fps.
If you reenconde using the sticky programme GUI you can play the same file at 100% USING ONLY WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER/MEDIAL PANEL!!! (coreplayer will still run it at 85% ish)
Yes .. I just want those people who can watch movies at 80% to realize how lucky they are
Well, there has been so many threads on this subject...
I don't see where the problem is to use Windows Media Player to watch a movie, it's just perfect. Files that cannot be opened by WMP (like flv for example) can be opened with CorePlayer, that's nice.
I don't want to hurt anybody, but maybe people whose mind totally deny this very simple concept should may be go to see a psy We have the right tools, they work perfectly, so why do you want to re-invent the wheel ?
Well most people want to watch AVI movies .. and those are not watchable in WMP and jerky in CorePlayer. If you don't want to watch them, good for you.