Hey all, two quick disclaimers: 1, I hate when initial posts are self-serving and 2. I've searched the forums high and low, and couldn't find anything on this.
That out of the way, I'm hoping to help fill in this gap and in the process get this model into the club.
I have the Verizon xv6600 with the camera, which means that audivox has no available patch for it, Verizon has no available information on it, and none of the other possible ship roms that I could find will let me upgrade or change anything in it.
I wanted to share the details of this model, and hopefully upload the rom, if that hasn't been done, but I wasn't sure, 1) where to put it 2) if this is even something that anyone wants me to do, and 3) how to do it.
As for 3) I did dig through the wiki, and the forums, couldn't find any sticky's or anything right on point, though I might just be bad at digging.
As for the info:
We have:
Rom Version: 1.35.00 WWE
Rom Date: 12/10/04
Radio version: HA01_140
Protocol version: AA3.3.301
PRL: 50276
ExtROM: 1.35.113 WWE
My current BT: 3500
Anyhow, don't mean to be self serving, just noticed that this device is absent on the site.
Thanks all.
mods, feel free to move this anywhere it might be more useful.
On wiki we have
XV6600WOC WWE 1.35.00 1.35.115 HA01_140
which seems is higher than your 1.35.113 WWE
You should be able to open your extneded rom and rar that to upload onto the site, somebody will link it to wiki or even cook it.
The ftp link is:
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Blueangel
the user is xda and password xda (both small the forum makes it large)
done and done.
done and done,
hopefully I wasn't too sloppy.
Doesn't seem that there's any other denotation for the name (like WC or something) and there are no official patches for this model. (the WOC update will fail, but purportedly, that's already on here.)
Let me know if anyone needs anything else.
Cheers.
(btw thanks for the nudge in the right direction)
jazzrich9
Very interesting stuff here. I have the Sprint PPC6600, and after the most recent update on the Audiovox site I am at:
Rom Version: 1.36.00
Rom Date: 1/13/05
Radio version: HA00_140
Protocol version: AA3.3.301
PRL: 10026
Extrom; 1.36.110 WWE
As you know, Sprint doesn't have their EV-DO network up yet (well, it's partially up but still in the testing phase). I'm curious if the 00_140 radio version has EV-DO disabled? I wonder if I was able to flash radio version 01_140 onto my Sprint Harrier if it would flick on the EV-DO radio (I live in an area they are currently testing it). Probably requires provisioning and PRL update to work, but cool to think about .
What seems most interesting to me at this point is that HTC has done up a new ROM containing WMP10 (maybe you already knew this from reading the WMP10 on Blue Angel post in here). It takes the ROM up to 2.03 (Radio is still 01_140). You can download the imate Harrier version here:
ftp://www.clubimate.com/Support/HA_Telstra_20300_111_01140.exe
I can't get anywhere trying to install it because the nbfs are all protected by the new protection and the country code 120 error always comes up. I am hopeful that some of the bright minds here (mamaich!) can come up with a way to allow us to flash the new roms on our devices.
Dan
P.S. DeviceData.txt reports that my Sprint Device has an Operator ID of 53500001. Can you run GetDeviceData.exe on your VX6600 and tell me what your Operator ID is? They have a pretty good catalog of all the GSM Operator IDs in the wiki, but Sprint and Verizon are missing from the list.
Using the MaUpgradeUT_noID.exe file I was able to upgrade my 6600 to the new wm10 version with Sprint's extended rom. even went as far as removing picture mail, audible player and that express crap from the extended rom using the extended rom tool on the device. Right now I'm flashing it again as this time I added telstra's radio image so I'll have telstra's windows mobile and radio image with a sprint extended rom. I also got the country code error but when the rom update program stops I just run it again cause the device is still in loader mode. When I start the update again nothing gets verified and the upgrade will go without any problems. I'm a newbie with all of this so there's probably a better way, good thing I have a test device just in case I screw sometrhing up.
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No success using verizon's radio rom, but using sprint's radio rom works.
that_kid said:
Using the MaUpgradeUT_noID.exe file I was able to upgrade my 6600 to the new wm10 version with Sprint's extended rom. even went as far as removing picture mail, audible player and that express crap from the extended rom using the extended rom tool on the device. Right now I'm flashing it again as this time I added telstra's radio image so I'll have telstra's windows mobile and radio image with a sprint extended rom. I also got the country code error but when the rom update program stops I just run it again cause the device is still in loader mode. When I start the update again nothing gets verified and the upgrade will go without any problems. I'm a newbie with all of this so there's probably a better way, good thing I have a test device just in case I screw sometrhing up.
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No success using verizon's radio rom, but using sprint's radio rom works.
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that_kid,
Thanks for that tip... in all my searching I did not manage to find that method. It worked great. I also tried Flashing the HA01_140 radio ROM (from the Telstra package) but got no service on my Sprint PPC6600. I am very curious if the reason has something to do with the PRL or some other configuration... of if, God forbid, the Sprint devices really do have different hardware.
I noticed that Connectivity is now a separate icon from Phone on the top bar. I need to check the cooked WMP10 thread again as I think they came up with a fix for that.
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction!
Dan
P.S. Have you (or anyone) checked out what's in the Telstra 2.03 extended ROM? I know I wouldn't want most of it, but I just kept the latest Sprint extended ROM (1.36.113) and am wondering if there's anything of interest in 2.03.111 WWE.
Dan,
Gald it worked for you. I have some bad news though, the reason the radio rom didn't work is because Sprint's version isn't EvDO it's just 1x. I have 2 sprint 6600's and ove Verizon branded harrier and one unbranded harrier. The unbranded harrier has the same problem as Sprint's 6600's and I've since found out that the unbranded harrier isn't EvDO. I can get telstra's radio rom to work fine on the verizon harrier and later I found that the radio rom for telstra and verison are the same versions, but on the sprint 6600's and the unbranded harrier I have the same problems. Basically the radio light never flashes and the device is always looking for service. When I goto the service screen I see the device searching for service but no channel numbers are listed. So it looks like there will be alot of angry ppc6600 owners soon.
that_kid said:
Dan,
Gald it worked for you. I have some bad news though, the reason the radio rom didn't work is because Sprint's version isn't EvDO it's just 1x. I have 2 sprint 6600's and ove Verizon branded harrier and one unbranded harrier. The unbranded harrier has the same problem as Sprint's 6600's and I've since found out that the unbranded harrier isn't EvDO. I can get telstra's radio rom to work fine on the verizon harrier and later I found that the radio rom for telstra and verison are the same versions, but on the sprint 6600's and the unbranded harrier I have the same problems. Basically the radio light never flashes and the device is always looking for service. When I goto the service screen I see the device searching for service but no channel numbers are listed. So it looks like there will be alot of angry ppc6600 owners soon.
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Is it even remotely possible that it's got something to to with the PRL list? Is your unbranded Harrier activated on a cellular network? Does it have a PRL file loaded?
Dan
I wish but I tried it on one of my sprint devices and it had the correct prl on it. I still hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling is that we're screwed.
see this is all interesting stuff.
here I was getting ready to cook up MY radio version to get slightly better bt functionality, It's really silly if there's a hardware difference allowing only the verizon models to get on evdo with sprint knowing that they'd be rolling this out for a while.
That being said, verizon for some reason is rushing a 650 onto the market without evdo support... so the wisdom in telecom is sometimes hard to decipher.
Anyhow, I'm probably going to start looking around for tweaks soon, but more importantly hopefully someone with more knowledge can examine this and the xv6600woc and find out for sure whether its a hard or soft issue with evdo support. Be nice if you guys didn't have to buy another phone for that.
Cheers.
that_kid said:
I wish but I tried it on one of my sprint devices and it had the correct prl on it. I still hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling is that we're screwed.
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Hmmm... I still don't understand what you're saying here. Using a Sprint PRL, I wouldn't expect EV-DO to work (they probably have a custom PRL they're using for EV-DO testing). So have you been able to activate this unbranded Harrier on Verizon? I know you can't activate it on Sprint because they'll only activate ESNs on their list. Assuming you can activate it with Verizon and load a Verizon PRL onto it, and flash the radio to HA01_140, would it find a signal?
Well, I'm going to be pissed if they intentionally crippled this phone to make it incompatible with EV-DO, but as long as they release an EV-DO-enabled version then I'll be OK. I'll probably be able to sell this one on eBay and not have to spend too much more to buy the EV-DO model. Switching to VZW is not an option (company phone) but I'm dying for EV-DO, so I'll so what I have to do.
I hope we can get a core group of Harrier users together here. Even though some of the info here works for CDMA, it's all obviously targeted to the GSM models and some stuff isn't compatible.
I would really like to get to the bottom of this EV-DO/non EV-DO issue. Does anyone know if the imate Harrier for Telstra is EV-DO enabled? And if it is, does Telstra offer EV-DO service anywhere?
Dan
There's no custom prl for EvDO, the cell sites are the same, all the prl does is tell the phone which cell sites and which carriers the phone is permitted to use. Without the phone getting a signal, it has no idea what I can/can't do.
As far as the harrier I can activate it on verizon but haven't done so yet. I'm still trying to be 100% sure the ppc 6600's won't do EvDO and then I may make the jump. The thing that has me unsure is all the devies have the same model number on the identity screen. I'm going to take my harries apart(again) and compare the circuit boards. I just can't believe that the model number would be the same for an EvDO and non EvDO version. I have a ticket in with sprint to have the ens added to the database. It's possible cause when I used to have this done for customers when I worked at sprint, then again that was some years ago and alot has changed so I'm not holding my breath.
The unbranded harrier has the same issues as the sprint 6600's when you use the ha01_140 rom. It's not just the fact that the doesn't find a signal, the green radio light doesn't illuminate either which to me says that something is wrong. When I flash the verizon branded harrier with the same radio rom it finds a signal and the radio light works.
What you say makes good sense that_kid... I guess I just don't want to believe it .
If you don't mind disassembling your Harriers and checking components that would be great!
Meanwhile, do we know how many branded Harriers exist? Obviously there are the Audiovox ones--Sprint PPC6600 and PPC6601 and the Verizon XV6600WOC and XV6600WC. Then there's the imate branded Telstra Harrier (which I found out, is EV-DO enabled because New Zealand does have EV-DO coverage). Anyone know of any others?
Here's my next "thought". What if HTC programmed a check into the 01_XX ROM version to look for specific operator codes? This would have been done to account for CDMA providers who did not yet offer EV-DO coverage. It's a thought, but I guess we wouldn't know until Sprint launches EV-DO and whether they offer an EV-DO enabled Harrier.
Aside from that, I'm about out of ideas here. Unfortunately I don't possess much technical knowledge on the specifics of CDMA technology and how EV-DO differs from 1xRTT. However, I agree with you that if the Sprint had different hardware inside then it should have a different model code.
Speaking of that, someone posted the device info of their WOC Verizon in the big thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15510&start=49) and shows a model PH20A3. I assume the minor number is different to indicate lack of camera. I don't have a camera-less Sprint phone to check (do you?) but my 6600 with camera is PH20A2.
Time will tell, I guess. I just find it hard to believe that HTC went and made a special radio just for Sprint (as far as I know the Harrier design has been an EV-DO model since the beginning, it was first sold in China as the Daxian CU928).
Dan
I thought of something else for you to try that_kid. Try to flash your Verizon phone with the HA00_140 radio ROM. That should tell us more about what the differences are between the two.
Wondering if it will:
a. work at all
b. work, but only connect to data @ 1xRTT
Also, here's a clue that perhaps the EV-DO components are in the Sprint device after all. Look for the hidden file in the Windows directory called PonHelp.exe. When you launch it you'll see the line "TECHNOLOGY: 1X-EVDO".
Not a slam dunk, but it is encouraging!
Dan
hmmm,
So here's a practical observation about vz and 1x. Even in the woods in the backwoods of upstate NY with only a single lonely bar on my phone service, my verizon 6600 speed tests at between 65-80kpbs. This is firmly in 1x land, but I'm wondering if that compares at all or is instructive as it relates to the sprint performance.
Also, is it possible that the network itself has to carry an evdo tag for the evdo rom. IE if you did flash my rom onto a different device, the reason its not working is THAT its not on VZW's network, and they're the only ones carrying the tag. Or basically the radio rom is only looking for that network, and it is blind to any non evdo tagged 1x network?
alright guys, this ends my crazy radio rom conspiracy theory for the day. (If it worked along those lines, there's no reason a talented coder couldn't develop a hybrid rom from this and the sprint radio rom and some other things, making the long awaited uber rom... but alas, I am not that guy.)
Hi Guys
Seems that you have opened a harrier club here.
As you have noticed we don't have much info on the harrier or CDMA devices on wiki.
Does one of you feel like PM me with some info so that I can update wiki?
Was thinking along the line of the the differnece of the radio, the issues that you have when reading this forum and my be a quick explanation of the differnces between GSM and CDMA and what ever EVDO is.
I am uploading the telstar rom, anybody know what model number this would be for?
I have updated wiki with your posts out of the List of Know thread.
Can someone with Verizon do a ##786# (and that_kid please do that on your unbranded) and report the hardware version shown on the screen?
My PPC6600 is 0041.
Dan
P.S. @MDAIIIUser, yeah I will try to get some info together for the wiki. The Harrier was just released on Bell Mobility in Canada, so we may see more interest here on that unit as more countries get it (unfortunately no Europe though).
A chap at pdaphonehome.com (The most popular forum for the Harrier, but doesn't have the technical focus of xda-developers) posted the details of his Bell Mobility PPC-6600:
Windows Mobile Second Edition
Version 4.21.1088 (Build 14235.2.0.0)
ROM version: 2.04.00 WWE
ROM date: 01/26/05
Radio version: HA00_144
Protocol version: AA3.3.301
PRL version: 30378
ExtROM version: 2.04.116 WWE
Hardware version: 0041
Browser version: MSIE 6.0
Edit: to add he has model # PH20A2... and the device has the camera--so identical to the Sprint version except for the updated ROMs.
His post is here:
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=326469#post326469
He indicated that Bell Mobility does not have EV-DO up and running yet but is currently testing it and plans to launch this year (just like Sprint).
His device has WMP10 (as its CE ROM is >2.0) and he does have a newer radio version than the latest Sprint one--but notice its at 00 level. I think, at this point, it is safe to conclude that 00 = 1xRTT networks, 01= EV-DO networks (which can obviously step down to 1x when needed.
jazzrich9--your theory is plausible also (to my mind, anyway--but that doesn't count for much! ). But what about areas where VZW has no EV-DO coverage? Do you think the 1x signal also has some kind of tag that the phone's radio is looking for?
We've got quite a mystery here... will be fun to solve it.
Dan
Verizon XV6600(CAM) after the Telstra CE update:
Software Version: 2.03.00 WWE ;-)
Firmware Version: HA01_140
Hardware Version: 0041
Ehud
gavron said:
Verizon XV6600(CAM) after the Telstra CE update:
Software Version: 2.03.00 WWE ;-)
Firmware Version: HA01_140
Hardware Version: 0041
Ehud
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Thanks Ehud... so we know that the hardware version is 41 regardless of EV-DO... so I again fall back to the notion that if there were a hardware difference between the sprint/bell mobility and verizon/telstra models then we'd be able to see it reflected in the device info screens.
So... Ehud (or anyone else with an EV-DO Harrier)... if you're feeling adventurous, try to flash the 00_140 radio version using the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe utility. You'll need the PPC6600 ROM package from the Audiovox site to get the proper radio_.nbf.... beware, slow download:
http://www.audiovox.com/downloads/HA_SPCS_13600_113_00140_6600.exe
It would be very interesting to see what the results are of that test! Will the radio work at all? Can you connect via EV-DO? Enquiring minds want to know!
Dan
I hate to post topics that might have been covered...but i've searched and searched until i got a headache and figured I'd just ask....
From what I understand, from a t-mobile representative I know, there is a download able patch for the wing that will allow you to use hotspot @ home (that is use your mobile phone and mobile phone number to place calls through ANY active wifi network you can connect to) and also one for the sidekick..which is irrelevant considering the platform...
Anyways, I have a wing and went to t-mobiles site and see nothing about downloading this fabled update but haven't found anything.
Long story short: does this exist, and if it does, has anyone tried messing with it (i.e. cooking something up) so it works for the MDA?
I love my MDA and the wing is really..well...the same thing, with a few new lame features.
I, too, have a T-Mobile MDA and REALLY want to use this service. I can't understand why I wouldn't be able to utilize the MDA's built in WiFi features with the service. Anyone done found any helpful hints since this thread was originally posted?
I understand this thread is old, but wanted to chip in and voice my curiosity for this as well.
I have the MDA and have been very happy with T-Mobile. But after moving to a new place recently, I have NO coverage inside my home.
The MDA is a very capable phone and I'm sure that [email protected] is usable on it with just a software installation. Although, does anybody have a clue as to how to make that happen?
xdamaddy said:
I understand this thread is old, but wanted to chip in and voice my curiosity for this as well.
I have the MDA and have been very happy with T-Mobile. But after moving to a new place recently, I have NO coverage inside my home.
The MDA is a very capable phone and I'm sure that [email protected] is usable on it with just a software installation. Although, does anybody have a clue as to how to make that happen?
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The only WM phone that I'm aware of that can possibly be used with [email protected] is the Hp IPAQ 510 that has not been provosioned for AT&T.
There are two SKU's for this phone-one for AT&T, and one that is unlocked.
Hi,
I am newby to this forum. i am thinking of purchasing it and use it with THREE network in Australia. Will it work? can anyone confirm? Thanks
banknab said:
Hi,
I am newby to this forum. i am thinking of purchasing it and use it with THREE network in Australia. Will it work? can anyone confirm? Thanks
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If THREE network supports GSM and if your Tilt is unlocked, then yes!
3 Networks in Australia offers the TyTN II and possibly others.
There are minor differences between the TyTN II and the AT&T Tilt. The most notable being the missing front camera on the Tilt and possibly the keyboard layout.
As suggested earlier, if your phone is SIM unlocked and you have the proper connection settings for data, it shouldn't be a problem.
If you need data connection settings, search for 'Connection Settings' cab or download it from one of the repositories listed in the sticky in my sig.
Hope this helps!
Last I checked, 3 Networks in Australia offers the TyTN II.
There are minor differences between the TyTN II and the AT&T Tilt. The most notable being the missing front camera on the Tilt and possibly the keyboard layout.
As suggested earlier, if your phone is SIM unlocked and you have the proper connection settings for data, it shouldn't be a problem.
If you need data connection settings, search for 'Connection Settings' cab or download it from one of the repositories listed in the sticky in my sig.
Hope this helps!
I am using a Tilt on 3 Australia, no problems. Of course no video call cos it doesn't have the front camera, but for data etc it works great. PM if you have more questions.