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I've got a Cingular SX66 that I upgraded to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_5.1.1700_build_14343_Upgrade]WM 5 Build 14343 from the XDA Wiki.
Windows Mobile 5 has been running pretty crappy - not letting me answer calls, running slowly, it just isn't worth upgrading to (for me, anyway).
I really want to go back to WM2003, but I've read that the http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=91465#91465]ROM doesn't work - can anyone help me out?
Is there a way I can downgrade back to WM2003 and have everything working? If you know how to do this or (preferably) have done it yourself, I'd really appreciate at least somewhat detailed instructions. Thanks.
Excuse me but did you do ANY research at all on this before you upgraded? Every other post here states " READ THE WIKI".... A couple minutes worth of browsing the forums here and you would have had enough first hand user accounts of WM5 and then maybe you could have made an intellegent decision regarding possibly turning your device into a "brick" and positively voiding your warranty.
If you look around just a little more you'll find that the downgrade is very painless. Mamaich and others have painstakinly documented the complete downgrade procedure. It's on the same page that you dl'ed the upgrade from ... the quick link is http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Downgrade_WM5
Good luck!
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 5.03.02 WWE
ROM date: 03/02/05
Ext ROM: 1.1.9.106
Radio: 1.15.00
Wow. Did I do any research? Yes, I linked to a page with a discussion about people doing the downgrade and having their Radio completely not work.
I guess you made the exact same totally intelligent decision as I did when you yourself upgraded the exact same device to WM5?
If *you* take 10 seconds to check the link that you posted, you'll see that in step #2, the only ROM available for the SX66 did not pass their tests and that, oh, what's this? The Radio doesn't work, just like the discussion I linked to.
Please don't assume I'm an idiot. Hacking handheld ROMs is not something you should get all offensive and riled up about.
Thanks for nothing. Does anyone have any other info?
hmmm... I have pda2k and I upgrade and downgrade all teh time... is the problem you are talking about specific to sx66?
FedoraPunk I never meant to call you an idiot, just curious on why you did an upgrade after discovering that many people had problems going back? Yes I have the same device. And the first time I did the downgrade, back in July, there wasn't a step 2 ... I took a big chance when Buzz, Mamaich and company started this particular forum knowing that I could very well blow up my device. I'm not riled and I apoligize if I'm offensive to you, I just didn't understand your decision to upgrade after learning the facts.
I personally have upgraded and downgraded my device at least 15 times since then, with no problems going back to WM 2003 excepting an ocassional ActiveSync issue downgrading to 3.8
What I suggest is to use Chris' SX66 (Blue Angel) Standardization Project at http://sx66-blueangel.home.comcast.net/
Replace the Standard and Extended Roms with his cooked ROM's. Any problems just ask and I'll be happy to help.
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 5.03.02 WWE
ROM date: 03/02/05
Ext ROM: 1.1.9.106
Radio: 1.15.00
I have (personally) upgrade & downgrade SX66 myself using the link provided above and did not run into any issues.
What exactly are not working after downgrading? Maybe I can check (if I decided to downgrade again)
Ok, I got the right ROM from Chris's site (I chose the 1.33.51 because it's 2003 with WMP10) but I don't know which Radio ROM to flash - can I use 1.15.00? Or is there one that 2003 likes?
I'm using 1.15 with no problems. I personally use the 1.40 but that's me.
Good luck.
Steven
btw, I just went back to WM 2003 less than an hour ago ......
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
Aright, I got 2003 back on there no sweat.
I wanna put radio 1.15, but the directions I'm getting are confusing me. I've got an SX66, unlocked. Could someone send me the deviceinfo or whatever it is? I've got the ROM and the Update app, I'm just fuzzy on what else to do.
Simply replace the radio rom file (radio.nbf) with the new radio rom and run MaUpgradeUt_noID. Being that you've already installed the Rom of choice simply rename / move that file from the install directory on your PC. I personally have never lsot any data or configuration settings by upgrading the radio this way.
Steven
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
I tried that, and got the device ID error. I need some file to tell the updater what device or something?
I have the same problem with that. I used to uninstall AS 4.1 and put 3.8 back on. However now I've gone back and forth so many times with AS that 4.1 won't entirely uninstall. I have to run AS 4.1 now. I use 2nd computer, install AS 3.8, do not configure sync. Place device in bootloader mode and the run the MaUpgradeUt_noID.
Steven
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
Hell yeah - I had to figure out which radio 1.15 file to use, but I got this thing working and signal strength does seem better.
Forgive my ignorance but i just bought an Imate KJam and I saw there was a newer ROM available. I'm currently running this system:
ROM: 1.1.9.3 Date 9/16/05
Radio: 01.01.10
Protocol 4.0.13.16
ExtROM: 1.1.9.106
I'm in canada on the Rogers gsm/gprs network and besides being slow at times, i have no issues with my device whatsoever.
I saw there was a newer ROM version,
K-JAM_WWE_216901_2169101_020710_ship.exe
is it worth installing? Is there a website where we can see the difference between the various ROM/Radio versions?
Thanks!
I would most certainly upgrade, but I'd think it's rather personal. It does really speed up your device, and give you some nice upgrades... (new CommManager for example)
Take Care!
Rik
yes go on!!!
one week ago i was in the same situation wondering if i go for an upgrade or not.
now i m very satisfied with my wizard as it become faster,more reliable,better BT...only good things.
and frankly i decided after reading a lot from this forum and was really confident that in any case someone will help to solve any difficulty if you follow basic role.
by the way before going ahead,remove all password protection,remove sim and microsd after backuping your important data.
for me the process lasted less than 20mn.i DLoaded the french rom 2.17, removed sim,sd card and pwd, desinstalled and reinstalled activesych to have a clean partnership, entered bootloader mode (?hesitation on that point no more sure if i did or not) ,launched the prog and followed recommendations. the upgrade itself took 10 mn but i noticed that at 50 and 80% everything seemed to stop for three or four mn but continued normally then do not panic when it seems that the process stop.
last word go ahead you will not regret it.
regards!
Howdy.
While waiting to get all the bits for AKU 2.5, I made up a quick and dirty little multi-installer. It is a menu-driven installer that allows you to choose from multiple ROMs and various components like radio and extended ROM. The decompressed files are removed when it finishes up.
I currently have it set with the following options:
1) Full AKU 2.3 custom ROM with OS, extended ROM, radio, and bootloader
2) Full AKU 2.3 custom ROM with OS, extended ROM, radio, NO bootloader
3) Radio only - Version 2.25 (the good one)
4) Radio only - Version 2.17 (It's really 2.07, from the 2.17 ROM)
5) An empty extended ROM which will erase whatever is there
If you already have a 2.x bootloader, you can choose option 2 which will not touch your current IPL/SPL. I agree with the general sentiment that the less you touch the BL, the better.
The AKU 2.3 OS ROM is the same as test2, but with these changes:
-fixed softkey applet mappings to calendar, create sms, and create mms
-added .Net Compact Framework 2
-added several themes
-made lame attempt at fixing the "Tiki of Doom" theme, which I really like
-disable "receive all incoming beams" by default to conserve electrons (can be re-enabled in Settings->Connections->Beam)
- Set dot11SupportedRateMaskG to 8 (support all wifi speeds up to 54Mbps)
-enabled Cleartype on landscape
-combined Cingular customizations and registry tweaks into a single cab
-updated the graphics in the flash app, and added some additional warnings and whatnot and so forth
This one weighs in at a hefty 131MB, so if you're on dialup, go make some waffles, err, no, take that trip to Nepal you've always dreamed of while it downloads. If you have broadband, go make them waffles.
Here she be:
ftp://xda:[email protected]_Custom_AKU2.3_Combo_Installer_V1.exe
The multi-installer is a work in progess - I want to evolve it into something a little more flexible so items can be plugged in our ganked out more easily. As a side project, I'm also working on automating the extended ROM build process. The result of this little obsession will allow you to automagically create, configure, and build a flashable extended ROM using a single interface. It might make waffles too...but I'm growing quite fond of tatertots lately.
And yes, I see the error I made with the title placement in the script..but I already started the upload. =)
Good work AGAIN mate.
Keep it up
I guess I need to search for bootloader, to see what that means, and how it affects what I should choose.
Hmm.. very, very cool. However I think I'll wait considering I am running TEST2. It's great to have options. Now if we could pick exactly what we wanted in the rom via checkboxes on a GUI menu, that would be the shizit. Thanks again Summiter! :wink:
.NET CF version?
Summiter,
What is the .NET CF 2.0 version? Is it the recently released .NET CF2 SP1?
Also, can you leave out the ClearType Landscape fix? This is the one fix I can't stand. ClearType does not work well in landscape mode because of the orientation of RGB elements inside LCD.
Nice. Just updated to the Test2 ROM, and was kinda hoping there would be an option to install a plain Cingular ROM without all the extra stuff that I can't delete (like the 2.17 version that I was using before). Any chance of uploading a 'clean' Cingular version of the 2.3?
Can I use this ROM
This is what I see when I turn the phone on:
IPL 2.25.0001
SPL 2.25.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
Does this make a differnece. When I swapped out my old one in the store they gave me this one and the guy at Cinglar told me it was a brand new one. I saw him get it out the store and on the box the manufacture date was this month June 2006... I have anohter 8125 that I purchased in April and I notice that the flash chips are differnt. How can I load Summiter's new ROM onto this new 8125 has anyone had any luck. I used Lockwiz from this site and it did do the SIM unlock but I can't tell if it did the CID unlock. Can this unit be CID unlocked. I don't want to fry my phone.
Followup
Also does this one include a CID unlocker
thanks, keep up the good work.
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alynch75 said:
Also does this one include a CID unlocker
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No. And you can't do CID unlock now since you upgraded to 2.xx ROM without unlock first. You have to downgrade to 1.xx ROM to do CID unlock (if that even possible with your stock ROM).
When you use lokiwiz to unlock your phone, CID unlock is a separate step. That is if you do SIM unlock as well as CID unlock, you have to run the tool twice.
Thanks Summiter! Quick Q: Is the .NET CF installed in ROM, or it is installed from Extended ROM onto regular storage flash? What is the final used space after the customizations are installed?
Yom said:
Thanks Summiter! Quick Q: Is the .NET CF installed in ROM, or it is installed from Extended ROM onto regular storage flash? What is the final used space after the customizations are installed?
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Just flashed my 8125. Looks fantastic thus far.
Storage:
Total: 47.46 MB
In use: 12.85 MB
Free: 34.62 MB
Thanks SummSumm.cab !
hows the ram usage?
Re: Can I use this ROM
alynch75 said:
This is what I see when I turn the phone on:
IPL 2.25.0001
SPL 2.25.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
Does this make a differnece. When I swapped out my old one in the store they gave me this one and the guy at Cinglar told me it was a brand new one. I saw him get it out the store and on the box the manufacture date was this month June 2006... I have anohter 8125 that I purchased in April and I notice that the flash chips are differnt. How can I load Summiter's new ROM onto this new 8125 has anyone had any luck. I used Lockwiz from this site and it did do the SIM unlock but I can't tell if it did the CID unlock. Can this unit be CID unlocked. I don't want to fry my phone.
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I have the same problem as you. The damn *.0001 uses a different flash chip and although it can be CID unlocked by using that IMEI website, i dont know if the ROMS are compatible. So i left mine alone, although i really want to upgrade.
Please help
I did not upgrade the ROM it came from the store like that.
IPL 2.25.0001
SPL 2.25.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
As you can see the flash chip in this phone is not the same.
Have you ever seen any of the other phones start up with these IPL and SPL numbers...
Please advise
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alynch75 said:
I did not upgrade the ROM it came from the store like that.
IPL 2.25.0001
SPL 2.25.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
As you can see the flash chip in this phone is not the same.
Have you ever seen any of the other phones start up with these IPL and SPL numbers...
Please advise
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You have the mysterious G4 chipset in your device. Do some thread searches for 2.xx rom unlocking... or pay to get your CID unlocked through an IMEI check. I was looking at doing a swap with my device, just to get the "better" chipset but now with the apparent problems with upgrading the device to a custom ROM, heh, forget it.
You could always go for the long ball and ask Cingular for the CID unlock sequence if they'll be so gracious to give it to you... but good luck.
Good work summiter on cookin' up a new installer. If you let me know what language you're working with in the console, I could probably work with you on a VB GUI interface with what the users want, and a truly customizable EXTROM type of menu checkbox system. Been a while since I've dinked around in VB, but its easy as pie (prefer C++ personally).
okay
Okay so if I use summiters new rom the one that says i don't need to use the bootloader will this work on my phone. and will i be able to upgrade to the new officeal releases from cinglar when they come out.
this makes littel sense why would they make such a change this may fry alot of phones seeing how most customers don't have a clue.
Re: .NET CF version?
foxbat121 said:
Summiter,
What is the .NET CF 2.0 version? Is it the recently released .NET CF2 SP1?
Also, can you leave out the ClearType Landscape fix? This is the one fix I can't stand. ClearType does not work well in landscape mode because of the orientation of RGB elements inside LCD.
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No SP1 - I'm waiting a bit to see how things flush out with it..it just came out of beta recently. And for all the CF2 apps I see commonly, SP1 doesn't provide any benefits. I will probably have SP1 in the next build, be it AKU 2.3 or AKU 2.5.
You're right about CT in landscape..looks fuggly. I'll back that one out for the next ROM.
Yom said:
Thanks Summiter! Quick Q: Is the .NET CF installed in ROM, or it is installed from Extended ROM onto regular storage flash? What is the final used space after the customizations are installed?
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CF2 is in the ROM. The registry entries for it however are added via cab file because I'm trying to keep CF2 a bit portable until I get it into AKU2.5. Setting up the registry in the ROM itself takes more time than I had to throw at this, and has to be done in each ROM build. The end result is the same though - the big bits are in ROM.
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alynch75 said:
Okay so if I use summiters new rom the one that says i don't need to use the bootloader will this work on my phone. and will i be able to upgrade to the new officeal releases from cinglar when they come out.
this makes littel sense why would they make such a change this may fry alot of phones seeing how most customers don't have a clue.
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No you cannot use this ROM unfortunately. The ROM on your device isn't all that bad.
I want to upgrade to latest ROM and whatnot.... Im confused what file to download. Important everything works faster and better and bluetooth headset. Its running stock Cingular from day that I bought it... right when it became for sale.... please let me know what to download and install... latest most stable ROM and everything else thats required.....
Thanks!!!
in my opinion...
The best ROM that I've installed on my MDA is the Mr. Clean 2.24a Mr. Clean
2.24.10.1 WWE
02.25.11 Radio version
Great GSM reception and recovery, it loads super fast, the functions are also smooth and fast, WiFi is perfect...lightning fast!!!!
You can find it in the forum of XDA upgrades and more stuff.
Here's the link:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/MrClean_RUU_WIZARD_224a_AKU23_WWE.zip
It's seriously awesome.
Remember that you need to CID unlock your phone first, and then it will work like a charm.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:
How different from the cingular same version one?
TIA
here are the differences
It doesn't have any of the Cingular logos, settings or anything that is pre-programmed. You have to put in your own settins, and there aren't any annoying settins such as MediaNet which launches when you try to connect via WiFi to the internet, and you know they charge you money for any kb transferred.
It's easy to create your own GPRS connections without any settings already there, and you have a cleaner running OS in the device.
I simply love it and recommend it. 8)
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hitechcowboy said:
It doesn't have any of the Cingular logos, settings or anything that is pre-programmed. You have to put in your own settins, and there aren't any annoying settins such as MediaNet which launches when you try to connect via WiFi to the internet, and you know they charge you money for any kb transferred.
It's easy to create your own GPRS connections without any settings already there, and you have a cleaner running OS in the device.
I simply love it and recommend it. 8)
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I'm in the same boat as HDD, I have the following specs
8125
ipl : 1.08
spl : 1.08
gsm : 01.16.11
os : 1.8.11.1
currently sim unlocked by lokiwiz0.3 and I about to CID-unlock with lokiwiz 0.2b. The question i have now is if I put in Mr. Clean 2.24a will I be able to go back to a Cingular ROM? or If i put in say Cingular's latest rom, or Tmobile's 2.26 will I be able to go back factory state.
From my searches, anything >= 2.21 roms will not be able to CID unlocked, so still wondering if I should upgrade....
yes you can
You will be able to; as long as the CID is unlocked.
ello everyone. I have a Cingular 8125. I would like to know why when i try to cid unlock my phone, enablerapi does not do anything (restart my phone), and the lokiwiz.bat can not see my phone, even though everything else. Does it mean that my phone is already CID unlocked? Also, when i try to do it without the cid unlocker, my activesync connection shuts off after 30 seconds, and my phone needs to be reflashed. I baught the phone used off of ebay. It came with the original cingular ROM. I am trying to get WM6 on it. maybe i should use lokiwiz 0.3 instead of 0.2?
Well TIA,
Whatismyphonecalled?
whatismyphonecalled? said:
ello everyone. I have a Cingular 8125. I would like to know why when i try to cid unlock my phone, enablerapi does not do anything (restart my phone), and the lokiwiz.bat can not see my phone, even though everything else. Does it mean that my phone is already CID unlocked? Also, when i try to do it without the cid unlocker, my activesync connection shuts off after 30 seconds, and my phone needs to be reflashed. I baught the phone used off of ebay. It came with the original cingular ROM. I am trying to get WM6 on it. maybe i should use lokiwiz 0.3 instead of 0.2?
Well TIA,
Whatismyphonecalled?
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What version DOC chip is of your phone G3 or G4 ? What's the IPL/SPL...? of your phone.Download WST tool and run it to determine the DOC chip version of the phone and check the CID Action to verify the CID locked/unlocked status of the phone.
secondly you have not copy and executed the the EnableRapi.cab correctly in your phone.Read the guide to use lokiwiz02b correctly and do the procedure.
its a g3. i just retried and ran the button_rom and now have ipl 1.01 and spl 2.25.
Wizard Service Tool v4.2.1
27/10/07 19:05:33
CPU: Texas Instruments - OMAP850
MODEL: Wizard
IMEI: (im removing it duh!)
=> Bootloaders:
IPL: 1.01 (G3 device)
SPL: 2.25 (G3 device)
Built on May 12 2006 at 00:37:41
Copyright (c) 2003 High Tech Computer Corporation
=> Firmware:
OS: 5.1.xxx (Build 14406.1.1.1)
ROM: 5.1
Registry AKU: .1.1.1
Radio: 01.12.10
Protocol: 4.0.13.23
=>Extended_ROM:
Version: Unknown
Name: Extended_ROM
Status: hidden
=> Drives and partitions:
|--Handle--|---Size---|
aea14db6 - 10.00M (0xa00000)
2eae9ece - 48.23M (0x303c000)
0fb2bf36 - 51.06M (0x3310000)
afb2bd76 - 2.88M (0x2e0000)
cfb2bd52 - 3.06M (0x30fc00)
=> DOC chip unique ID:
00000000e1590207310310f706010657
Key Index: 14
All Done.
what do i do now?
Read Dr. P's sticky. It will tell you what to do EXACTLY. Read it slowly and carefully. Your answer is in there.
I say this, not to be a brat, but to explain that the stickies here are very detailed. They tell you what you need to do and why and how. The motto here at xda is READ, Read, read. Anything you do, you do at your own risk. So get to know all about your device, how it works, why you do certain steps...it will save you from having a very expensive paperweight.
And yes, I could answer you without being so cryptic, but as I said, your answer is in the tut that is stickied...and that really IS the best way to learn about your device.
akashastrega said:
Read Dr. P's sticky. It will tell you what to do EXACTLY. Read it slowly and carefully. Your answer is in there.
I say this, not to be a brat, but to explain that the stickies here are very detailed. They tell you what you need to do and why and how. The motto here at xda is READ, Read, read. Anything you do, you do at your own risk. So get to know all about your device, how it works, why you do certain steps...it will save you from having a very expensive paperweight.
And yes, I could answer you without being so cryptic, but as I said, your answer is in the tut that is stickied...and that really IS the best way to learn about your device.
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YUP !!!
Very well said and exactly what he needs to do,nicely redirected
guys i know. i have read that a zillion times. the problem is is that my SPl doesnt want to go to 1.x. it stays at 2.25. how do i get it down?
whatismyphonecalled? said:
guys i know. i have read that a zillion times. the problem is is that my SPl doesnt want to go to 1.x. it stays at 2.25. how do i get it down?
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Well,If you say you have read it million times then,sry,you didn't read it carefully,it's very clearly mentioned there in the guide that if it doesn't get down to both IPL/SPL 1.05,try to flash Button's Rom 1.05 a couple of times more,till it gets both IPL/SPL 1.xx,ok So flash button's 1.05 a few times more,it sometimes requires a littlw more tries.
Cheers
k. will do! thanks a million. ill report back after about 5 tries.
7 times already. nothing still spl 2.25. should i give up?
I have same problem. It goes 98% when i run 1.05 rom and it reports error and I have to reload original rom (2.25 from htc site). I read some more and one guy said it works fine if you downgrade from 2.25 to 1.8 and then unlock. However, I have tried to downgrade but it reports that it is already upgraded.
In Dr. P's sticky, I believe it gives an alternate download rom so that in the event that Button's doesn't work, then use the alternate...double checked and YES IT IS...again, read the sticky point by point, carefully...
Quote from Dr. P's sticky--
" 3.. Downgrade your ROM to the Button 1.05. Let it go through the whole setup please...
Note: If your device fails at 98% with a 302 error follow Vippie's advice and try the ***LINK INSERTED HERE IN DR. P's STICKY TO ALTERNATE ROM *** instead. " (Yes, I am a brat by making you go back and re-read the thread to get the link)
Please, we cannot spoon feed you. You need to learn about your device and understand it BEFORE attempting any fixes/customizations. We are not liable for any bricks, what you do, you do at your own risk...so understanding the device is the first and best step, from there you can get your device customizing freak on.
yea the xda mini s one. i tried it as well. well i do it again... thx. i(btw i reflashed THE BUTTON ROM 17 times) im not kidding.
nope. not this rom either. doesnt help.
what do i do now?
whatismyphonecalled? said:
what do i do now?
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Do a soft reset of your phone,it might work,otherwise ,reboot your pc,disable any anti virus and firewall,get your phone into bootloaders,reconnect it to pc,when usb appears at the bottom pf bootloaders screen,reflash Button's 1.05
tried that. eh, i guess im out of luck.
Are you sure you have a G3 device?? I have not known of this much trouble, except on G4's (they're a whole different animal). Have you gone point by point explicitly?? Could you have missed a step somewhere? Did you make sure that the enable_rapi was done? I'm stretching here...I can't imagine why you are having these issues. I've CID/SIM unlocked at least 5 different wizards using Dr. P's tut, without any issue at all...so I am truly stumped.