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Hi, is it normal that srooling in programs is slower against other devices? For example my brothers Asus P535 has perfect speed, if he moves slider quickly, no problem, no lag, absolutely smooth, bud diamond isnt. Why?
Try doing the tweaks in the tweak thread for a start or if you want flash to another rom ie the TLR rom is pretty fast and tf3d is quite smooth and fast on that rom.
Have a look in the rom section of the forum and see which one sounds good to you.
Yes scrolling in "Programs menu" is reaaally slow ... compared to my previous 200 mhz original Touch it's ten times slower and almost impossible to control it with thumb because it takes a lot of time 'till it scrolls down...
I solved this by creating sub folders in programs menu so I don't need to scroll...
Maybe this is because of VGA display and slow GDI support, but I think this really needs some improvements or tweaks.
Any of existing tweaks I tried don't help - Glyph cache does nothing and Fatfs/Filters cache broke my system so I needed to hard reset... And as I can see this filesystem improvements have no influence on graphics performance...
ROM 1.37.401.3 speeds thinks up little bit, but I think windows GDI performance is still very bad on Diamond...
Is GDI accelerated in other ROM? Or can it be solved with some tweak to original 1.37.401.3 ROM?
Yes the scrolling speed is a real issue, it's laggy and sometimes not responsive.. This is a real pain in my ass because I'm coming from a 1st gen iPhone which had extremely smooth scrolling.
i must be lucky...my scrolling is so fast i wish sometimes to know how to make it slower because i can hardly have time to read the name of the programs before i stop...i usually have to scroll back..
no tweaks applied only bepe's last ROM....the biggest tweak of all
Any chance that HTC can solve this problem? I mean - can´t hardware handle it or just bad software?
Well the newer roms have the newest version of TF3d so maybe you want to try and flash to one of them...im running TLR rom version 2 and its fast and tf3d is smooth as silk although it will still lag but not as much as the stock rom does.
I just hope that HTC will make some ROM with major performance incerase, becou HW is not bad. Like my A701 mio. First uséable ROM came out after a year.
Spawn12 said:
Well the newer roms have the newest version of TF3d so maybe you want to try and flash to one of them...im running TLR rom version 2 and its fast and tf3d is smooth as silk although it will still lag but not as much as the stock rom does.
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I think we are not talking about TF3D but about basic scrolling in WM - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiVRouS6HwE and on this video it is not so bad - the more programs you have the slower it is...
When I flash the Bepe's ROM can I then flash back to 1.37.401.3 without losing warranty? Do I need to flash back original SPL before and if so - is it available?
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I just hope that HTC will make some ROM with major performance incerase, becou HW is not bad. Like my A701 mio. First uséable ROM came out after a year.
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You might want to check out someone1234 post in the tweak thread above...hes figured out a way to shorten the lag between scrolling screens...give it a try and see if it helps.
Yes I was refering to basic scrolling in WM, not TF3D.. My TF3D is running very smooth with no noticeable lag.
We must hope that some new ROM will solve this. Anyway, same thing the HTC logo after start or power off. Why it is thare if it is not played smoothly? I know this is becou os phone quick start, but anyway, the should gave a picture there.
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Yes I was refering to basic scrolling in WM, not TF3D.. My TF3D is running very smooth with no noticeable lag.
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i dont tink its a issue htc can resolve -> its a os problem -> so its a ms problem.
Do you? I dont know how WM6.1, but my last device WM 5 had 5 times faster scrooling. Is diamond scrooling speed on other devices from other brands? Some E-ten? Mio? etc? I think this is exactly kind of issu HTC can solve very easily, if they would want.
Can someone with other than official-production ROM tell us, if scrolling and GDI performance is better?
Thanks
Yes I tried TLR ROM and it is not. But some good news, I found articles about same slow speed in other devices after upgrade on WM 6. I found some tweak too, but it helped only bit. I wil continue, if I sort out this problem, i will tell you how.
A few words about the HTC Kaiser:
it has a great design, with many functions. Also good features (GPS, QWERTY keyboard, etc).
But: I now have about 4 WM-devices at home. An Asus P525, an HTC Hermes, an Ipaq 914c, a Sony Xperia X1, and a Kaiser.
And you know which one performs the WORST? It is the Kaiser
And I guess it is due to the Qualcomm CPU. The menus open much slower than on the other ones. The P525 from Asus has a feature to set the CPU to power save/normal/turbo. Even power save is not as bad as the Kaiser.
Also the scrolling in the menus (WM6.5 style) is not as smooth. And yes, I tried all kinds of ROMs (6.1 and 6.5, different builds and chefs as well).
I think I will sell my Kaiser now and avoid Qualcomm CPUs for the future.
Too bad the Hermes has no GPS built-in. Otherwise, I would give it clear preference.
have you tried gfxboost yet?
(search for it on xda!)
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have you tried gfxboost yet?
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downloaded and installed it! Thank you! It is way better now, still behind other CPUs but approaching "reasonable".
GFXboost is available here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509704
also this thread seems interesting: (June 1st 2009!!!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496528
Now I wonder why almost none of the chefs use gfxboost in their ROMs?
glad to help! htc really did a number with the kaiser (and continues to do so with newer models)...htc makes great hardware but they really need to get their act together with all the driver and software issues and inadequacies...
BUT xda and the geniuses here has been such a wonderful resource to get our devices purring like they should be in the first place when they leave the factory
ALSO, the kaiser is a GREAT machine (as you mentioned)...feel free to tweak it and try out other ROMs...if you are into wm6.1 and manila2d, i highly recommend the ROM i am currently using, with gfxboost added on manually of course (HyperDragon IV Rhodium ROM April 10th, 2009)
regarding ROMs with gfxboost, SOME exist (i think abusalza with his PDACorner ROMs briefly included gfxboost in one of his recent ROMs)
if you're looking for better scrolling, then i hear wm6.5 has builtin scrolling that is better than touchflo and i have read reports that wm6.5 also benefits from gfxboost but you already seem to know most of this, judging from your first post!
Hi,
yesterday I finally installed the HardSPL and played a bit with ROMs. Eventually I installed EnergyROM but have to admit that I am not noticing a great performance boost. I know this might be a 6.1 vs 6.5 issue, but I wonder whether there would be really a noticeable boost over the lastest stock ROM by installing a custom 6.1 ROM.
I stumbled over some ROMs mentioning drivers (I suppose for hardware acceleration), would those ROMs really improve the performance? Which would be the recommended drivers?
As I am looking for a plain but very recent build, I'd like to know which would be the most recent build. I suppose 6.5 will always have a more recent build than 6.1 or do they share a common build base?
Thank you.
I tried many roms, and now I have: Gen.Y D2 R1.25 ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521941
This one is best. Good performance and stable.
Thank you, this ROM seems to be based on build 21051 which would be a bit off of the build of EnergyROM (21812).
Is it just behind or does 6.1 generally use lower builds? What would be the overall recommendation towards build numbers?
I also saw it mentions two drivers. I suppose this is for a better performance (even though I still couldnt notice a real improvement over the stock ROM), isnt it? Would this be specific to this ROM or do "all" come with those drivers (as compared to a slower driver-less hardware access)?
Thank you.
Your probably not searching in the details...
EnergyRom has the new tfl3d which is a lot better than stock.
New photo album which is much faster.
winmo 6.5 is much more finger friendly.
New dialer - much better
scrollwheel enabled
EZinput keyboard
better performance - tweaked almost to perfection
It's been a very long time since I used a stock ROM, but as far as I recall the stock Roms do not include all of the above.
Thanks, to be honest however as I already mentioned I couldnt really notice an improved performance over the stock ROM. Actually the memory allocation was even higher.
As to the mentioned features like tfl3d and the photo album I dont really use them. Hence, in terms of features I personally wouldnt really see a particular reason to use the EnergyROM, unless of course the performance would be much better due to the higher builds, which I do not see however.
What I am primarily wondering about is whether there would be must reason to upgrade to a new build of 6.1 or even 6.5 and whether there is something else which could improve the performance (like drivers which I read about sometimes)
IMO,if you want speed,buy something else with a Marvell or samsung S3C cpu,or accept it for what it is and enjoy it's good point's.
I've been looking for the answer for about an hour. Is there any xperia user out there who managed somehow to find and enable hardware acceleration option in spb mobile shell 3? As we all know this device IS 3D accelerated, but this option is not visible on mine. Any additional drivers required??
shameless bump. <bump> nobody?? I guess I'll have to wait for an update from spb. oh well...
As fas as I know, if 3D acceleration is available in SPB Mobile Shell 3, there will be an option for it in the settings, otherwise the option won't be visible. If that's true, which I doubt, SPB MS3 is not using 3D acceleration on X1.
But it is a fact that this is maybe the fastest shell for X1 of all. Much faster than TF3D and uses much less memory. It is faster than PointUI Home 2 too, but just a little (not as much as compared to TF3D).
In the end I can't tell for sure if 3D acceleration is used in SPB MS3 on X1, but it works extremely fast and smooth. Actually I reverted from itje's Touch-IT 10.4 to R3A stock + MS3.01 for that reason only, it is way faster.
I read in the xda forum that Enable 3D acceleration should be removed in the final version and was present in the leaked one. Many people complain about it, when it's turned on.
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As fas as I know, if 3D acceleration is available in SPB Mobile Shell 3, there will be an option for it in the settings, otherwise the option won't be visible. If that's true, which I doubt, SPB MS3 is not using 3D acceleration on X1.
But it is a fact that this is maybe the fastest shell for X1 of all. Much faster than TF3D and uses much less memory. It is faster than PointUI Home 2 too, but just a little (not as much as compared to TF3D).
In the end I can't tell for sure if 3D acceleration is used in SPB MS3 on X1, but it works extremely fast and smooth. Actually I reverted from itje's Touch-IT 10.4 to R3A stock + MS3.01 for that reason only, it is way faster.
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Thelucius:
Interesting to hear about your comparison between Touch-IT and R3A +MS3.01. I am on R2A + MS3.01 and all I care about is speed and finger friendliness. Would you say that your current setup is the fastest for the phone *as a whole* (for example, opening OPera, starting up the dialer) or just for the shell features? I am quite happy with how fast MS3.01 is for the shell part, but those other things remain quite laggy, and I'm wondering if the chef's optimizations increase the speed of the phone as a whole. I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
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Thelucius:
Interesting to hear about your comparison between Touch-IT and R3A +MS3.01. I am on R2A + MS3.01 and all I care about is speed and finger friendliness. Would you say that your current setup is the fastest for the phone *as a whole* (for example, opening OPera, starting up the dialer) or just for the shell features? I am quite happy with how fast MS3.01 is for the shell part, but those other things remain quite laggy, and I'm wondering if the chef's optimizations increase the speed of the phone as a whole. I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
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I've being using R2A + MS3.01 and R3A+MS3.01 and Itje's Touch-IT 10.31 and 10.4. 10.31 is slow, so I won't talk about it. 10.4 is faster. The problem is with TF3D, not with Itje's rom, which I thing is a good custom ROM. TF3D sometimes lags, which is annoying, and the new menu too, just some times it needs like 2-3 seconds to show up, but usually it's quite fast.
The problem is in the dialer. The TF3D's dialer was very slow in many occasions. That's what made me go back to stock rom. And also the ram usage of TF3D is very big. Like with panel and spb wireless monitor in the startup it gets like 100MB of ram. Ok Xperia has ram, so that is not a problem, but the dialer is. I see the phone wakes up (for there is someone calling me) and in like 4-5 seconds the dialer shows the incoming call. The whole dialer is slow, when it shows up, when it hides after call etc. As a whole, TF3D is considerably slower than MS3, sometimes annoying, but not that bad. It's the dialer that made me switch back to R3A stock.
Finger friendliness: I love the huge menus of TF3D (the menus in all apps are changed with much bigger ones, finger friendly menus), but the lag in TF3D sometimes kill the finger friendliness.
As a shell speed: MS3 is much faster, uses less than half of the memory TF3D uses and it is smoother. And the most important, the stock dialer is way faster and more responsive than TF3D's dialer.
Opening Opera: it's almost the same with r3a and itje's 10.4, maybe itje's roms is a little bit faster in opera load time, but just a little.
R2A - R3A: the only speed gain I saw is the boot time of the device. Anything else looks the same, or the difference is very small to note it.
One thing more: video playback speed - it's all the same: r2a stock, r3a stock, itje's 10.31, 10.4, stock with new ati drivers. The biggest difference I saw is less than 5% increase, if that's a difference at all (talking about coreplayer with qtv + tytnII mode).
One very good thing is that itje's custom roms have lots if internal free memory (due to removed panels and unneeded software I suppose). It's like 250MB free, compared to 140MB with stock rom after flash.
I hope this was helpful for you to decide which shell do you want most.
Super helpful, thanks VERY much.
So it sounds like the chef's mostly modify to speed up TF3d, but not the overall system. If so, I'll stick with MS3.01. I'm also wondering about gtrab's barebones ROM + MS3.01. I might try that in a month when I get my X1 back from repair.
I also went back to SE dialer after using Yota. I had the same lag problems.
Otherwise, sorry for the thread highjack I don't know if MS3.01 uses 3D acceleration. My guess is yes. The graphics are super smooth.
unfortunately Your guess is wrong, unless You have a background picture under carousel menu instead of just plain black. it is kind of a weird thing, as I can run xtract, nfs undercover, some test opengl apps. I think I'll have to register myself on spb forums to ask devs about it. oh well...
Hi guys,
I am getting an X1 in a few days and would like to know opinions on what the most stable 6.5 ROM out there at the moment is. Also some comments about speed and usability compared to stock would be appreciated!
Hopefully others will find this info useful, too, so please keep it civil.
-Oobly
well i think the most stable would be either one of itje's or agent_47's., the ones with manila 2.1 though because the leo versions are still in beta.
one of the best customised would be NRG's. of course being the flashaholic that i am i switch between all three for every new rom thats posted
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Yeah, I know. Sorry about that, don't know how to delete the other thread.
Try....V-Lite 4.3 by mobilevu
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505214
This guy knows his kitchen, ive been using his roms since he started posting his work. I havn't had any problems regarding speed and stability
For me:
NEW V-LITE 4.3 COBALT HARDCORE EDITION FINAL (Stable)
The Energy-ROM with manila 2.1 is very stable and responsive. In my opinion the best, since speed is good for almost every program, many useful tweaks and programs included. I've tried most manila ROMs and found this one the best on all fronts. I must say I haven't tried the V-LITE COBALT yet.
Make sure you don't compare titanium with manila ROMs
And then also make a difference between manila 2.1 and 2.5
V-Lite is a very good non-manila ROM, but stayed on 23004
Valkyrie is state of the art, both with and w/o manila
Energy is eye-candy with some little bumps (video-lag) for Titanium.
Which bumps have you encountered in the Energy ROM if I may ask, haven't found one yet. Even the manila 2.5 is working smooth on most fronts except the SMS app is a little crappy, but I can work with it.
Thanks for the replies guys, keep em coming! The more opinions the better.
I see Agent_47's Valkyrie 2.9 FS has reworked OEM drivers and neo2007 3D drivers. He seems to post fixes pretty quickly in response to bug reports, too.
V-Lite also looks good... apparently stable and very functional while still looking very nice.
So many ROMs, posted so often...
oh boy! I think I am going to become a flashing addict....
@ bjornkopp: video and youtube lagging, display doesn't turn off during call (no known to me tweak works), ring sound and vibra may be off, battery eater
--> It's my current ROM nevertheless ;-)
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@ bjornkopp: video and youtube lagging, display doesn't turn off during call (no known to me tweak works), ring sound and vibra may be off, battery eater
--> It's my current ROM nevertheless ;-)
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Same for me: despite all those, i love this rom (still using the 05.08.2009 version, as this is bug free).