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The anti-iPhone thread (BOO, HISS!)

In honor of it's glorious release today, I felt we needed a thread.
What a marketing sham, especially the "this is the internet, internet" ad. When it's limited to EDGE? Mmmm hmmmm.
I read a WSJ review in which Jobs was questioned about it. He claimed they were "sandwiching" 3G on the bottom with pervasive EDGE and WiFi on the top, which is much faster than 3G anyway. Hahahaha.
I'll keep my 8525, thanks. What say you?

iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.

I will not buy one. iPhone is all fluff IMO. I am eagerly awaiting the Kaiser.

Best Of Both Worlds
We need to add some of the cool features that the iphone has on our 8525 so it well be the best phone that is out right now. Also waiting on the Kaiser and cant wait to see what cool rom that will come out for it.

mrvanx said:
iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.
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exactly what i thought.
the newest overrated overpriced price of fasion crap in the united states YEY!
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
i luved how they all had no idea the full onscreen keyboard sucks and miss understands u often. gg retards, waste of money. i thought about it for a sec and thought wow... the only good iphone is a linux running iphone haha. gg pwnt...

When I had the 8125, I was disappointed by the processing speed and responsiveness of the unit. However when I got my 8525, I am much much happier. The increase in processor speed and maybe the fact that it's not the same manufacturer processor makes the world of difference. Now I'm itching to see a 1Ghz unit! Wheee!

Mog said:
Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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Ouch!... that was cold.
Love it.

Mog said:
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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SWEEETTT!

M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone... They refuse to market their product, I mean, even with the BlackJack commercials they make NO mention of Windows Mobile.. Has Bill finally lost his mind with all that money he has?

Madcap180 said:
M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone
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Errrm, well...
a) WM6 has been released for some devices, including some Hermes models (that new Dopod release, for one).
b) AT&T is the exclusive carrier for the iPhone... why would they release WM6 for the 8525 prior to iPhone's launch?
c) Bill Gates could spend the money he's already got as fast as he can with both hands and still not spend it all before he's dead.
'Nuf said.

Beleive me when I say it, M$ has a say in some capacity as to when certain products can be offered... What M$ says is law in the world today.. yes some devices have already been given the upgrades, but I think a universal launch would have been good for the windows mobile based devices.. I can't wait until I see the first punk kid with his shiny new useless iPhone so I can give him a good flaming on what a REAL pda is..

sure he could have done some sort of release at the same time but would it have really hurt?
all the retard apple junkies would still be retard apple junkies, heres a joke and a fact in one.
what can a microsoft user do that a mac user cant? shut the **** up!
i swear they are all just hippys that think they can frigin change the world with there blogs about the dumbass insignificant boring lives, why do they have video blogs and **** like that? becuase they cant find anything else better to do...
hmm so, honestly in short. the iphone is an awesome "top of the line" (notice i didnt type revolutionary) phone for idiots... people that cant figure out ANYTHING on their own... apple was very smart in making a powerful phone with MANY shortcomings Idiotproof... that is the cold hard truth.
if anyone one of those mac luving morons did their research and actually bought the "best" phone, they would be heading over to htc.com
first is was the motorola razr, now its the iphone. Wm7 next? haha
i luv how macs lovers like to think that there macs and crap are customizable becuase that have different color schemes... lmfao. wow blue, wow red... what is the scheme to make the iphone not suck? oh yea it doesnt exist... its still just the overrated overpriced new crap fad from america. i cant wait til they use their keyboards muwhaha. "wtf i pressed p and it typed o, wtf.. w and i pressed e..." I'll love to hear that ring.

im not gonna get in this debate about ms vs mac or gates vs jobs. all i know is...
the iphone is a jerk off
all show and no substance
no mms
no 3g
on screen qwerty covers up things you are replying to
no video messaging
no browser plugins!!!!
safari only (kmfa)
no sim
no mp3 ringtones
plus the silly a** price
no REAL third party apps
that in my humble opinion means it is not worth the trouble. i must admit i wanted one at least to tinker with. but after reading specs. its a big hell no for me. the iphone could have been an htc, pocket pc/smartphone, for that matter-every phone killer and it fell short.

I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.

dwny said:
I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.
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i also despise all of that iphone skinning crap. i think its so ridiculous

the only good thing that can come out of the iPhone is that Microsoft gets its head out of its ass and starts working on making WM even better. They have a long way to go.

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no mp3 ringtones
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guys look and be sure u will be seeing this within the next month at least.
itunes, u can buy?
movies
tv shows
music vids
songs/albums right?
next up is ringtones, i luv how apple will milk there customer for all the money they got.
u like a song so u buy it, oh wait ur phone cant play mp3s... *damnit* oh look ringtone section only 99 cents omg!
i think most of us just get sound program cutter and clip one then format it to a decent size... at least that is what i do.

I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it

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I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it
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your name calling and 4 posts show us all who is boss.
if you read the thread then you see the list of things that the phone is missing. but by all means spend $500 for the iphone and $59-99 for the plan, and $29 each nintendo retro game, and $.99 each ringtone; while i enjoy my $39.99 plan with $29.99 internet plan, free .mp3 ringtones, and a phone that does everything the iphone does and more with no restrictions.

first of all, it's not hard to make a 8125 look bad.. Considering it's bulky design, slow processor, etc... If you had a Hermes you would be whistling a different tune.

HTC, I've had enough of your BS.

Allright guys,
I hate to do this, but I'm sick of getting flipped off and getting broken promises from HTC. If I wanted those, I'd just get into another relationship with what seems to be a nice girl at a bar. I've sent in more than 9 hand written letters and countless emailed ones. I've made the proverbial ****-ton loads of phone calls. And all this through my own, free time. And I know that I'm not the only one. There is an army of people here who've written, pleased, asked politely and signed a petition. We've lambasted through what seems to be HTC's "cover fire" on the issue. After being dicked around, I didn't want a politically correct and savvy response to the issue that tells me nothing at all. For the money I paid, I wanted the basics. What, When, Where, Why. What was the problem? When Will it Be Resolved? Why has this been overlooked? If I can't get away from my girlfriend with a politically correct and savvy response to the issue of why I spent $700 on a new phone, then I don't believe HTC can use that ploy either.
Yea we've all heard this rant before, but I'm sick of this. If **** doesn''t change soon, I'm taking my business and my accounts elsewhere. It's sad when I have to degrade myself to think about rebuying the iphone. But hell even if we all know the iphone doesn't have all the features the tilt does, at least IT DOES WHAT IT'S PROMISED TO DO. No Smoke and mirrors. No concise and no business response. It just does what it's supposed to do out of the box.
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
P.S. And for all those who say this is a Business Device, not an entertainment device: As a business user, it's pretty damn hard to tell a client "HOLD ON, I NEED TO SWITCH TO LANDSCAPE MODE" or "GIMME A FEW MORE SECS TO SHOW YOU THIS EXCEL SHEET. WAIT, IT'S LOADING. ALMOST...." Even us business users are getting pissed off.
And, again, I hate the iphone, but how many of them do you see complaining because their device doesn't do an advertised feature? Or is misadvertised?

I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.

yes i agree at first i was im love with my tilt but when my video recording capabilities sucked arse and simple things like scrolling while playing music makes the device lag now u know its a problem ive hear dof frigging wizards playing games better than this and they tote this as it being the most powerful windows device out but i was still gonna buy another htc product but once they released that statement im like are u serious this sis ur answer not even a "u can buy 4 more apps for 20 bucks" like steve jobbs is doing i mean i wouldve at least appreciated that but i think i might go to the tytn or the iphone they deliver on wat is promised

My next phone will probably going to be an iPhone once they release a 3G version of it. I miss my 8525

xmoo said:
I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
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I-mate is switiching manufactoring back to HTC, in essence it is just an HTC with I-mate branding. Hopefully they will support their devices with all the adequate software and updates, unlike HTC.

Infornography said:
Allright guys,
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
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What do you mean "may"? I have absolutely excluded it. After all this mockery and arrogance from HTC, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I EVER went and bought another one of their devices, at ANY point in the future.

A question about the Tilt and Android before i sell it...

I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!

Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.

Android
Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco

Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.

Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..

MrEous said:
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released

Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.

Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.

I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.

If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)

austinsnyc said:
There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.

aphexacid said:
<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill

Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
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Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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aphexacid said:
Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.

Windows Phone 7 on the Rhodium

As many of you are probably aware, Windows Mobile 6.5 or as M$ calls it lately, Windows Phone 6.5 is only a stepping stone on the way to a real mobile OS designed for fingerfriendly devices.
WinMo 6.5 is actually in many terms only a "visual" upgrade of WinMo 6.1 which makes WinMo more fingerfriendly and makes it look more sexy but in the end, it's still Windows Mobile as we know it. (If you disagree just look at the calender application in 6.5 )
What Microsoft is preparing to fight Android, Blackberry OS 5.0 and iPhone OS is Windows Phone 7. Rumors have it that it will be designed from the ground up and will be designed from the beginning for the use on touchscreen devices, designed for input using nothing but your finger. Windows Phone 7 and 6.5 will be marketed parallel, meaning high-end devices will get Windows Phone 7 and lower-end devices will get the 6.5 version.
So what has it all to do with the Rhodium ROM forunm ?
Simple: Since the Rhodium is pretty much a (very)high-end device I am aware that many people will want to use Windows Phone 7 on it, once it is released. You may say: the relese of Windows Phone is due in 2010 and thats a long, long time from now, but most people buy phones to use them at least 2 years and the Touch Pro 2 being such a great device I can easily imagine sticking to it for even longer. (There arent many similiar phones at the time which offer the same build-quality, the same high-res screen or the great 5-row qwerty in one package, and I guess I am lucky if there is 1 new device like this on the market every year.)
But now to my question. Since those rumours say Windows Mobile 7 will be built from the ground-up, do you guys think it will be possible to get this working on the Rhodium ?
I know a lot of this will be speculation but I want to know your opinion.
If the kernel is completely new will it run on the Rhodium ? Will there be any1 even interested in 1-2 years porting this to the Rhodium ?? etc, etc

As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.

In true MS style (now don't get me wrong I'm an MS guy all the way, forget mac, forget linux, forget android, I only use win Mo, and win OS), I'm sure that when 7 drops you're gonna need snap dragon processor or better, just like when 6.5 finally droped most 6.1 mobiles could run it, but not very well. infact ngrz28 ROm on the tp2 is the first device/6.5 rom that it actaully ran smooth on.
back in the day, it use to be the The Software was tryin to keep up with the hardware, then it became the hardware trying to keep up with the the software (say crysis 2 ms os...etc).. But the truth is it will always be the software tryin to keep up with with the software, beacause the hardware companies, intel,TI,SYsop, only release the hardware that has been already developed , and moth balling, when the software has caught up enough... MS ain't **** without Intel, its a sysmbosis between the hardwae developers and the software developers, and a Conspiriousy. Long story short the release of a winmo 7 would me you have to upgrade your hardware, so lets worry about getting the most out of 6.5 and enjoying it

when i bought my tp2 last night the guy at the tmobile store said i can upgrade to windows 7 but i wont have my favs cuz tmobile doesnt support windows 7. JUST A FYI.

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As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.
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the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?

Windows Phone (Moible) 7 only runs on two processors - Snapdragon from Qualcomm and Terga from Nvidia.
In 7 there is a concept of a Chassis - A defined hardware specification which is consistant across all 7.x devices. This will allow MS to brings high end computing (read Xbox) to Moible devices.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/windows+mobile+7+chassis+1/
In Short... The only device which is public today and capable of running 7 is the Zune HD. No other hardware in market has the defined spec 7 needs.

Dalamak said:
the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?
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I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.

i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL

I don't understand there end game, I'd rather have it put on my my next next bil via the phone order, cause I over paid this bill, and I'll pay the balance next bill, u don't get any advantage going to the store, At&t use to put everything on my bill, even assecories when I went to the store
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I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.
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futty said:
i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL
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I agree, if I hadn't bought an unlocked a Fuze, I would have stood on my head to get what I wanted LOL.
No but seriously, I grabbed the G1 when T-mobile dopped it, hacked it, finally bricked it beta'ing for JF, sold it, and bought an older Glofiish to to have the Winmo back, but I'm use to having my hardware put on the account, a couple of days wait ain't gonna kill me

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Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.

HeavyComponent said:
Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.
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personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?

slimsuse said:
personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?
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Sent you a PM...

I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then

hmm
doublecheese said:
I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then
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hehe yea.. .
but anyway if they say WinMo Chassis is Tegra or Snapdragon, in 2010/2011 those will be pretty antique by then i guess...

I just got the TMo TP2 on a new 2 yr contract. I'll be sticking with it and 6.1/6.5 until I'm a free agent again. Then I'll be looking for a TP3 powered by the Snapdragon 2 and WinMo 7.5. Or maybe wait out a 3rd year for the TP4 and WinMo 8.
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By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
Thanks
Dave

DaveShaw said:
By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
Thanks
Dave
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Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...

bonevbs said:
Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...
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Plus, if they're meant to be making it more finger friendly, that version of office definately does not look finger friendly to me... lol

[Q] I'm torn, should I or should I not upgrade...

I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.

I have to say I'm loving mine and think it's a good thing (in a funny way) that there are features missing. We get to look forward to updates to a system that has really great foundations.
Having said that there is a bit of a danger in thinking that every missing feature and every imaginable improvement will make it into imminent updates. MS are in this for the long haul and some improvements won't materialise over the lifetime of the initial batch of phones.
Copy/paste will be coming soon but we just don't know other features. We can just hope. So, if you can't live without tethering it might be worth waiting until early next year to see if news emerges on a timescale.

Jeimygirl said:
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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I still have my i637 jack. I suggest you wait like me, We got to atleast see if Microsoft is gonna even mention addressing the other issues besides the ones they say they will fix in early 2011. Although im personally seeing are they gonna stay true to their words by listening to their supporters.

Jeimygirl said:
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.

I'm going to get the HD7 on Nov 8th as well. I've used Android since the G1 and ave had just about every Android phone T-Mo offers (except the Behold 2). Right now I have the myTouch 4G, and while it is an awesome phone, it's not doing it for me. I really like how WP7 looks. I also have a Zune HD, and I like the software on it, and WP7 is very similar.

If you are prepared to wait for the new OS to mature and for "jailbreaks and hacks" to become available then go for it. If you want to be abe to tweak from day 1 and have every possible feature that is out there then stay with 6.5 or go for android. I have a horrible feeling these forums are going to fill up with people moaning about lack of this that or the other feature. I myself like the interface so much that I want to be part of the WP7 thing from day 1 hence I have my HD7 already and am lovin it warts an all!!

prjkthack said:
You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
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Kind of what he said. Buy it and see. I'm getting it because I want to be part of the new revolution of Winmo. And honestly, have found myself not to concerned about what it's lacking as hell, it still the basic things you expect in a smartphone and I'm willing to give up some the apps I've used on Winmo and Android ports to the HD2. Most of them are just because I wanted to do something and not really needed. But with a browser, slingplayer coming soon, office, phone calls, text, and Slacker for streaming radio. That pretty much rounds up the stuff that I use on a regular basis (oh just need a golfgps app) and that's it. But, I'm planning on keeping my HD2, juuust in case there is something I need. My advice, jump into and see what you think and try not to think about the very minor things you'll be missing. You might actually find that you start finding more time for real life as opposed to your virtual phone life that's wasted from having billions of apps to check. I know I will and I'm looking forward to it!

That's everyone for your opinions. I am usually one to get the new "it" thing as soon as it comes out, usually the day it comes out (well only phones) But not so much when a new phone comes out, just the next biggest thing. In this case, WinMo7. I've owned 3 Win Mo phones (SDA, Dash and HD2) Android (G1) and iPhone along with all the other basics before the SDA, and I can surely say, I like WinMo the best. I do like to completely customize my phones. I found WinMo to have the best broad range to do this. I'm not one to load my phone with apps, except to customize, which is why I don't mind the almost nothing there marketplace for WinMo.
I will probably be one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon and getting the HD7 on Monday as well. I do like their return policy, but don't like their $10-$20 restocking fee that you have if you return it. I'm sure I will end up liking the HD7. For the most part I have a love/hate relationship with my HD2. I think what I hate is WinMo6.5 because after customizing it was perfect for me. I'm sure over time the developers here will come up with ways to customize the HD7. I think I can wait. Plus, I would get the "new phone" feeling with HD7, vs getting an android which seems to never change it's basics.

Also, how is everyone getting their phones?
I'm thinking about getting it at WalMart since their price is $150 with a new 2 yr contract, (have to verify if an upgrade counts)
T-Mobile's is $250 with a 2 yr contract with a $50 mail in rebate (which I always seem to forget to mail out on time!)

Do Not Buy A W7 phone
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!

J9HOB said:
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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Are you saying you don't like it?

J9HOB said:
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
Please tell us more...

mrmomoman said:
You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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I think you have this guy nailed.