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android anyone? (no noobs please) HTC Wizard

this thread is to discuss android on the HTC Wizard. what do you think? how will it be ported? can it be ported?
PS. this OS can work on HTC devices (not for now) for those that think this is useless. At least its better then that iphone os

Anyone

I guess everyone's suddenly n00b?

heres some images...
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...and its pretty ugly! The software is made by Swedish software vendor TAT- quite an appropriate name!

Those are supposed Android OS images? From where??
ultraprime: I've been following the progress as closely as possible. Can't wait to see Android on my Tilt. So far, a dev on the Android Google Group has managed to dump the filesystem: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/277a73b32a02f26a?hl=en . Great, but my Tilt is not already running Linux.
I imagine it won't be long now! Do you have experience with Linux on HTC Devices? It's something I've been reading about but haven't taken the leap yet.
Charles

ultraprimeomega said:
this thread is to discuss android on the HTC Wizard. what do you think?
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You need a running linux kernel on the wizard first. The main roadblock
is the CPLD register access over i2c.

Here's a recent android presentation video:
http://tinyurl.com/2rqtw5
Nice!

Discussing android porting now is IMHO completely pointless at the moment... It does not exist yet...
Maybe this time next year...
Mirek

it may be pointless but good idea to talk about.
Project sites for porting to the x50v
http://android.cookieofdoom.com/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076

Android would be great! What are the plans?
Hi,
I think this would be a good project, and in fact it might be helpful for supporting and advertising the new platform if Android could be used on already existing phones as well. I would definitely install Android on my Wizard rather than staying with Windows Mobile (even though TNT/its right provides great WM builds).
Are there any plans to port Android on existing HTC phones? I am sure that the Wizard is fast enough. Actually, from the technical side there was not much progress since then. Even in 2007 HTC and others presented phones with TI OMAP chip running on 200 MHz, which is sufficient. And the display resolution is stuck to 320x240, unfortunately. In fact, I plan to stay with my Wizard until I can get a phone that replaces my Notebook! Therefore, Android would be welcome meanwhile ...
What are your thoughts?
Eriol

Hi!
I have an HTC trinity since a year now and I've been waiting for a linux port since then.... I swear, if I was a coder I would start a project yesterday... but I'm just a sysadmin and the only code i can piss is script.
Windows mobile is an insult to such a nice device (flashing to WM6 is nearly useless.... and sometimes worst) so to me it would be great to just have a better OS on it.
To be straight, when I bought it I was certain that someone would have been able to port Linux to it so Android....would be perfect.
Of course i'll be happy to help in any way if someone sees a role for my "resources" :-D

the screenshot posted are ugly but the presentation of android that i saw on youtube are beautiful. its got all those iphone kind of transition effects and its a O.S so it would be great . In windows the emulators provide transition effects and finally reveals the traditional windows os.

News update:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=11

I have a working kernel + Android combo
but as of now, it's pretty much useless..can't really interact with it.
Will post a guide/ howto if anyone needs it.
kudos to the guys on #linwizard!

Maybe we should keep stuff from linwizard were?

Just asking whats the status of getting android on the wizard??
( unfortunatly im a non coder so cant realy help in setting it up but i would help in testing it)
But one thing im really intrested in is getting linux running on the wizard tht would be awesome but unfortunatly the linwizard project seems to have slowed down considerably.Anyway cheers to the developers so far and heres hoping a breakthru comes soon.

Tada!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dm-EznlpMI
Check it out guys, hopefully not long now.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dm-EznlpMI
Check it out guys, hopefully not long now.
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Nice
Now we need is the phone working (RIL driver compatible with Wizard). I've done some experiments with android's SDK, if this thing gets to work properly, that would be great! (I was working on a online backup system for your contacts, events, etc).

Excellent man , excellent. So hopefully we wont have much longer to wait.

Updates?
Gentlemen (and Ladies, if appropriate),
Can you give us an update on your progress getting Android running on the Wizard? I am eagerly looking forward to the experience and check here regularly.
Thank you for sharing your work.

[please make sticky] Windows Mobile 7 - Introducing

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In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!):
Windows Mobile 7 will use touch gestures, similar to how the iPhone does. You will be able to flick through lists, pan, swipe sideway, draw on the screen. A lot of emphasis has been put on making navigation easier and doing away with scrollbars, including a new scroll handle that allows for multiple ways of finding items extremely fast.
Windows Mobile 7 will use motion gestures, something the iPhone does not. It will not use an intricate and complicated series of gyroscopes and accelerometers. Instead, it will use the camera on the phone to detect motions and create appropriate actions. You will be able to shake, twist and otherwise manipulate the phone and get things done. The phone will be able to perform actions when placed face down on a surface, and it will know when it is in your pocket or bag.
Read more: http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/

Heres more: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/is-this-windows-mobile-7/

I just got my tyn 2! Next year WM 7 And new phone!! Omg I cant believe this..

Will there be an upgrade for tytn II/Kaiser/Tilt users?
Seeing how it uses multi-touch, nvm....

Wow, it looks very nice. Just got the Tilt and already would like to see what's in store for 2009.

those pictures on engadget are really cool looks like there is finally some good news from the developping team @microsoft they sure looked around at the iphone and all the other touchschreen controlled phones and really improved that new kind of interfacing with ur phone but knowing microsoft a bit it will all be released in 2015 or something or all the good things will be left out when finally released
with wm7 a tilt really needs to be tilted lol

Darn... stupid 2 year contracts... now i cant get a WM7 phone till Almost 2010

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Darn... stupid 2 year contracts... now i cant get a WM7 phone till Almost 2010
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Sure you can. You just gotta renew for 2 more years!

Got 2 lines and one is eligible for upgrade in April 2008. I'm gonna wait until the WM7 rolls in.

If the kaiser is to run this monster they would HAVE to upgrade the video drivers for sure
Looks really neat. Love the shake thing.

Don't hold your breath. The first phones with WM7 will be out in 2009, two years after the Tilt/Kaiser comes out. Manufacturers rarely release new WM roms, especially for devices that are 2 years out of date. Chances are WM7 will have new hardware requirements, such as more processing power, RAM, ROM space, and possibly multi-touch and/or an accelerometer. Lets hope for WM6.1, that seems much more reasonable.

Just hope most of the software for WM 5/6 will be able to run on WM 7.
It scares me with the type of re-investment I will have to make to upgrade all my purchased software to WM 7 compatible versions.
This does not mean I am against improvement to our beloved WM operating system.

My two cents:
It is deemed rather impossible that the WM7 will be working on most current WM5-6 devices without a hardware sensor built within the device no?
if no guesture can be tracked through a sensor, how does the soft knows what to do.
bottom line, WM7 will generate a full new range of PDA phones simply to replace WM6 ones. No "upgrade" seems to be possible.
IGNORE post. just red that WM7 will use the on-board camera instead of gyroscopes etc.

well since we cant have the actual WM7, mayybeee, just maybee, someone skilled enough can make an exact theme for WM6...

Looks like I'll have to book another Hong Kong trip for 2009 to pickup a cheap HTC WM7 device any excuse will do though. (getting an unlocked Kaiser for half the price the vendor locked ones sell for here was worth the trip alone.)

Windows Mobile 6.5 Beta on XDA

Appears that there is a WM6.5 beta rom on xda for the Blue Angel device. Does anyone think it is possible to "port" it to the Blackstone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428030

WM6.5
I think I’ll stick with 6.1 until WM7 comes out. I took a look at the video and it still looks like a turd. I was just reading the sales numbers for Q3 all I can say is the ass clowns at Microsoft need to get it together very quick.
If Microsoft doesn’t get in the game and fast, it may be to late!!
Here is a link!
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/34996.php

omg! that is soooo exciting.
i love new stuff... i am looking forward to WM7 but i can't wait to try something new before that.
what about android, no more discussion about a version to blackstone...

Interesting... Let's hope it get's ported soon

This is really exciting.. However it dosn't look that new to me which is a real shame.. Was hoping for a lot more..

if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
So, release the basic core with the older UI and get yourself 6 months of free testing on many different devices.
Its a guess, but to me it makes sence, guess we shall have to wait an see.

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if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
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Strangely, I was thinking the exact opposite. They're sticking with the number 6.5 because the core kernel will remain the same as 6.0/6.1 overall, but with a new, somewhat improved today screen and interface. PIE6, better touch control built-in, some other updated apps, friendlier today with potential plug-in/gadget type of support, but on the same core. Gives them a quick and dirty way to compete with the attractive new competition while preparing for 7 which will contain the brand new core that gives them a lot more flexibility to make it run smoother and have the must-have functionality that the other OSes now have. Honestly, I suspect this one's more likely as it's easier. It takes a lot less time to design a cool interface (not to mention they have the Zune and Danger teams available to help with this) than it takes to improve the kernel.

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Strangely, I was thinking the exact opposite. They're sticking with the number 6.5 because the core kernel will remain the same as 6.0/6.1 overall, but with a new, somewhat improved today screen and interface. PIE6, better touch control built-in, some other updated apps, friendlier today with potential plug-in/gadget type of support, but on the same core. Gives them a quick and dirty way to compete with the attractive new competition while preparing for 7 which will contain the brand new core that gives them a lot more flexibility to make it run smoother and have the must-have functionality that the other OSes now have. Honestly, I suspect this one's more likely as it's easier. It takes a lot less time to design a cool interface (not to mention they have the Zune and Danger teams available to help with this) than it takes to improve the kernel.
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if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
So, release the basic core with the older UI and get yourself 6 months of free testing on many different devices.
Its a guess, but to me it makes sence, guess we shall have to wait an see.
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yay that's what forums are about, discussing!
i found both opinions very interesting. read the first one and convinced me of that right away, then the second one came and i'm all over the place. guys, the real thing is: microsoft is dropping the ball with windows mobile. they created an excellent OS to be used with a stylus than Apple came along with a (i hate to say that) great thumb friendly experience and a, sort of, cute interface and everything was messed up. and not just that there's also google and their android. microsoft got a history of learning opponents moves and counter attacking. i think before we expect we're gonna have a big surprise.
now imagine how funny would it be if even having the best hardware (blackstone) we will still have to put up with a ported version rather than a native one in the end?
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your right, it might just be a bodge job on the interface, i really hope not tho, the problem with WM isnt its UI, its the core that cant handle a decent UI, making good shells shouldnt be an issue, your right its an easy way to make it better, but even the TouchFlo UI overlays we have here are hampered by its crap core and slow responce.
Time will tell. the only thing we can be sure of is, either the core or its interface will be crap.

I think the core will remain Windows mobile 6, but with revisions. Hence, 6.5. Microsoft should at least do something about the performance and videocapabilities, since that's what the iPhone is all about.
Secondly, we've got HTC, SonyEricsson, Asus and Samsung with their shells. Microsoft should be more than able to fix up a good shell to run as todayscreen. After that's done, they should drop W.m. 6.5 development entirely and dev W.m. 7.'
In my eyes, WM 6.5 is a people pleaser. But the good stuff comes when WM7 is out.

WinMo & Xperia Drawbacks - Agree or Disagree?

Hey guys,
I got my Xperia in early October last year, and it was my first encounter with Windows Mobile. Like many of you I've had mixed feelings towards this device. I do think it can be a great phone - if you put some effort into it and with the help of the xda-developers.
But I took some time and wrote down everything that has annoyed me over the past year with WinMo and the Xperia. I thought it would be interesting to see if there are other Xperia owners out there that share my opinion
All That is Bad About Windows Mobile
So, is this article a load of cr*p or are my objections valid? Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks!
/Lars

Ì think you summed up about everything I know I hate - and love - about WM. Amen brother!

i agreed with you, but i prefer winmo 6.5 over the iphone, the blackberry and the e71.

Totally agree, and I started in somewhat the same situation.
The X1 is my first experience with Windows Mobile phones, even smartphones for that matter, and I found it horrible in the beginning. The only thing that has made it even harder for me than you is I use Apple pc's so I can't update my stock-rom without lending someones Windows pc and sure as hell can't try stuff like switching rom's!

i agree about the xperia bits and windows mobile 6.1 - but windows mobile is changing - the 6.5.2 builds with the buttons at the bottom are a huge improvement on the 6.1 we have at the moment and the Marketplace will also change Windows Mobile for the better

Agreed on most of it (99%) and laughed a lot, but FRACKING LOL'D at this:
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......but don't forget that there is a reason for the absence of those features... Why?...
...because.....
IT'S A GAMING MACHINE!

I agree too .. problem is there is no perfect device.
iPhone quite limits the software. No opera mini. No AVI playback.
WebOS and Android are still a bit young. We must wait. And in the time of X1, WebOS was not known and Android was just an infant.
WM plainly sucks, but most things can be fixed and it is actually possible to live with it.

Read the list but can't share all of it. I'm not very sensitive to GUI aspects because the critical items are one-timers mostly and you don't touch them every day. My point is that all the other fancy stuff on the market like iPhone and Android are basícally nice as well but they still are islands in a productivity kind of view. I need my windows/exchange connections and frankly, WiMo does the job. I need my particular range of software and I can get them for WiMo, I can't get that stuff for iPhone. An iPhone for me would just be "a phone" with web access but that's not what I carry that device for. I got my Spb 3 and got rid of the panelmanager (never found out what the heck I shall do with it anyway), got my street/air navigation stuff and my ERP system to run on it and I'm happy. I'm not after Facebook, I don't need strange themes every day, I don't even need weather because that's what I see when I don't stare at the screen but lift my neck (move muscles) and watch out of the window, the ones made of glas. Sometimes I think that I'm "just a happy customer" because that thing does exactly what I was expecting when I put my money on the table. Most of the things on your list I never even came across when using mine on a day-to-day basis. But I use my SE to do the job, it's not my job to do something an the SE.
Cheers - Susan

Well put!
+1 for "totally agree"...
all the frustrations ~and yet all the love too ...
Was my first WinMo too -and yes it took several weeks of trial and error(s)
Had it not been for XDA I'd have given up, but thanks to all the great people and stuff here (and my interest /patience /application) I now love my Xperia
Couldn't live without it

Thanks for all the excellent feedback! I was afraid the article was too long for anyone to be bothered reading it
Looks like you both agree and disagree with me, and that most of you have a love-hate relationship with WinMo as well.
@orelsi - do you follow Battlestar Galactica too? Frakking awesome show!

Great article. I agree with all of the minor irritants about default WinMo interface. Since I never really use MS built-in features and rely almost exclusively on 3rd Party (prettier) apps I don't really care about ugly touch-unfriendly interface.
However, for the uninitiated I can see that this could seem like a very large barrier to entry. I would have thought MS would have done to the old WinMo interface what they did with DOS and Win95/98. Hid it underneath a much prettier shell and NEVER see those old 3.1 style menus (unless a REALLY want to).
When people see my phone sometimes they ask about it and usually I can't recommend they buy it, unless they are pretty tech-savvy. Which I think is a little sad because I love my phone so much, and I wish everyone could get a device as capable as mine, but instead they settle for cruder devices.
Oh well, I am happy with mine, and maybe 6.5 and 7 will bring a little more for me to play with and recommend to others.

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@orelsi - do you follow Battlestar Galactica too? Frakking awesome show!
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So say we all !

Windows mobile is losing of Symbian and Android by own weapon: HOME SCREEN

I don't know why MS or other companies have stopped creating good home screen solutions.
Last good thing we know is Mobile Shell 3.5 but it is far away from perfect.
Symbian (N97) phones have nice solution with lot of widgets as:RSS, Weather, Photocontacts, analogue clock, facebook.
Android has good widgets and lot of them. You can create anything of your home screen.
Windows users (as most "business" ones ) need to search for "home made" stuff as upgrades for Mobile Shell or classic today screen on xda.forum or other sources.
Today screen of windows mobile (classic, titanium, touch flo, mobile shell) still are unfinished.
FLO does not have possibilities to put all widgets in one screen (you cant use rss, contacts, weather, clock... on one screen)
Mobile shell even does not have rss widget at all (WHAT A SHAME)
You can do that with classic layouts but you are unable to move around the screen (you are only able to vertically re-arange layouts)
I had the first HTC Canary... home screen was something innovative, something modern but now...

hmmm windows mobile 7 has no widgets for homescreen?
For Flo (aka Sense) there is CHT, all widgets on one screen etc...

Did you check out CHT?

Because of WP7. WM will never have the potential to compete consumer-wise with Android or Symbian - Android is what WM should have been, and Symbian does not require such complexity to achieve some potential.
WP7 has a take on widgets in the form of Live Tiles. I find they feel more organised than Android widgets, which vary tremendously in size, style, etc.

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i ve tried this on xperia. it is highly customizable but not enough.
still far away of android and symbian.
not enough for business needs.

xmarkom said:
i ve tried this on xperia. it is highly customizable but not enough.
still far away of android and symbian.
not enough for business needs.
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Did you have Xperia? Just run Android on it! I'm waiting for DOC3000 theme for WVGA here. I think it will be very customizable.

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i think CHT is enough to me

xmarkom said:
i ve tried this on xperia. it is highly customizable but not enough.
still far away of android and symbian.
not enough for business needs.
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Indeed it's a small community now and a lot of ppl have moved on. But imo it's eyecandy adaptable and the progress on CHT is impressive. With enough work this can be great. Android is commercialized meaning more support which is why they have made so much progress. Symbian is linux based meaning beyond customizable but imo the n900 is the device that let's you do anything meaning it's god like smartphone. But that doesn't leave winmo out. It still needs more support and beleive it or not it's getting it. More ppl are customizing and a lot of mods have been released.
So who knows in the future maybe in a year or two this'll die out depending ont the support it gets. But winmo faithfuls haven't given up. Tbh I have an iphone 3g i just use this phone for customizing but I for one am impressed... :3
As for the business part of it I wouldn't rely on winmo it's actually not suited for it, the whole kernel is pretty buggy and god knows if you get an BSOD(black screen of death). I understand that other OS phones are pretty stable but winmo is tweakable so far I haven't had one SOD in 3 months thanks to chefs and all that.
@MrBeoTP2: hurr
The thing about your homescreen most of your components are used by other android homescreens xD

SPB MS have rss widget, but u must buy spb news