Appears that there is a WM6.5 beta rom on xda for the Blue Angel device. Does anyone think it is possible to "port" it to the Blackstone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428030
WM6.5
I think I’ll stick with 6.1 until WM7 comes out. I took a look at the video and it still looks like a turd. I was just reading the sales numbers for Q3 all I can say is the ass clowns at Microsoft need to get it together very quick.
If Microsoft doesn’t get in the game and fast, it may be to late!!
Here is a link!
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/34996.php
omg! that is soooo exciting.
i love new stuff... i am looking forward to WM7 but i can't wait to try something new before that.
what about android, no more discussion about a version to blackstone...
Interesting... Let's hope it get's ported soon
This is really exciting.. However it dosn't look that new to me which is a real shame.. Was hoping for a lot more..
if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
So, release the basic core with the older UI and get yourself 6 months of free testing on many different devices.
Its a guess, but to me it makes sence, guess we shall have to wait an see.
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if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
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Strangely, I was thinking the exact opposite. They're sticking with the number 6.5 because the core kernel will remain the same as 6.0/6.1 overall, but with a new, somewhat improved today screen and interface. PIE6, better touch control built-in, some other updated apps, friendlier today with potential plug-in/gadget type of support, but on the same core. Gives them a quick and dirty way to compete with the attractive new competition while preparing for 7 which will contain the brand new core that gives them a lot more flexibility to make it run smoother and have the must-have functionality that the other OSes now have. Honestly, I suspect this one's more likely as it's easier. It takes a lot less time to design a cool interface (not to mention they have the Zune and Danger teams available to help with this) than it takes to improve the kernel.
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Strangely, I was thinking the exact opposite. They're sticking with the number 6.5 because the core kernel will remain the same as 6.0/6.1 overall, but with a new, somewhat improved today screen and interface. PIE6, better touch control built-in, some other updated apps, friendlier today with potential plug-in/gadget type of support, but on the same core. Gives them a quick and dirty way to compete with the attractive new competition while preparing for 7 which will contain the brand new core that gives them a lot more flexibility to make it run smoother and have the must-have functionality that the other OSes now have. Honestly, I suspect this one's more likely as it's easier. It takes a lot less time to design a cool interface (not to mention they have the Zune and Danger teams available to help with this) than it takes to improve the kernel.
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if iwas to hazzard a guess as to what this 6.5 is all about, i would say that 6.5 underlying core maybe the core for WM7, they then strip all the fancy stuff off to leave a faster updated core that doesnt have too much to get messed up. I mean, if they banged out everything and it was too buggy it would be much harder to fix having it all in the mixing bowl.
So, release the basic core with the older UI and get yourself 6 months of free testing on many different devices.
Its a guess, but to me it makes sence, guess we shall have to wait an see.
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yay that's what forums are about, discussing!
i found both opinions very interesting. read the first one and convinced me of that right away, then the second one came and i'm all over the place. guys, the real thing is: microsoft is dropping the ball with windows mobile. they created an excellent OS to be used with a stylus than Apple came along with a (i hate to say that) great thumb friendly experience and a, sort of, cute interface and everything was messed up. and not just that there's also google and their android. microsoft got a history of learning opponents moves and counter attacking. i think before we expect we're gonna have a big surprise.
now imagine how funny would it be if even having the best hardware (blackstone) we will still have to put up with a ported version rather than a native one in the end?
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your right, it might just be a bodge job on the interface, i really hope not tho, the problem with WM isnt its UI, its the core that cant handle a decent UI, making good shells shouldnt be an issue, your right its an easy way to make it better, but even the TouchFlo UI overlays we have here are hampered by its crap core and slow responce.
Time will tell. the only thing we can be sure of is, either the core or its interface will be crap.
I think the core will remain Windows mobile 6, but with revisions. Hence, 6.5. Microsoft should at least do something about the performance and videocapabilities, since that's what the iPhone is all about.
Secondly, we've got HTC, SonyEricsson, Asus and Samsung with their shells. Microsoft should be more than able to fix up a good shell to run as todayscreen. After that's done, they should drop W.m. 6.5 development entirely and dev W.m. 7.'
In my eyes, WM 6.5 is a people pleaser. But the good stuff comes when WM7 is out.
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In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!):
Windows Mobile 7 will use touch gestures, similar to how the iPhone does. You will be able to flick through lists, pan, swipe sideway, draw on the screen. A lot of emphasis has been put on making navigation easier and doing away with scrollbars, including a new scroll handle that allows for multiple ways of finding items extremely fast.
Windows Mobile 7 will use motion gestures, something the iPhone does not. It will not use an intricate and complicated series of gyroscopes and accelerometers. Instead, it will use the camera on the phone to detect motions and create appropriate actions. You will be able to shake, twist and otherwise manipulate the phone and get things done. The phone will be able to perform actions when placed face down on a surface, and it will know when it is in your pocket or bag.
Read more: http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Heres more: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/is-this-windows-mobile-7/
I just got my tyn 2! Next year WM 7 And new phone!! Omg I cant believe this..
Will there be an upgrade for tytn II/Kaiser/Tilt users?
Seeing how it uses multi-touch, nvm....
Wow, it looks very nice. Just got the Tilt and already would like to see what's in store for 2009.
those pictures on engadget are really cool looks like there is finally some good news from the developping team @microsoft they sure looked around at the iphone and all the other touchschreen controlled phones and really improved that new kind of interfacing with ur phone but knowing microsoft a bit it will all be released in 2015 or something or all the good things will be left out when finally released
with wm7 a tilt really needs to be tilted lol
Darn... stupid 2 year contracts... now i cant get a WM7 phone till Almost 2010
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Darn... stupid 2 year contracts... now i cant get a WM7 phone till Almost 2010
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Sure you can. You just gotta renew for 2 more years!
Got 2 lines and one is eligible for upgrade in April 2008. I'm gonna wait until the WM7 rolls in.
If the kaiser is to run this monster they would HAVE to upgrade the video drivers for sure
Looks really neat. Love the shake thing.
Don't hold your breath. The first phones with WM7 will be out in 2009, two years after the Tilt/Kaiser comes out. Manufacturers rarely release new WM roms, especially for devices that are 2 years out of date. Chances are WM7 will have new hardware requirements, such as more processing power, RAM, ROM space, and possibly multi-touch and/or an accelerometer. Lets hope for WM6.1, that seems much more reasonable.
Just hope most of the software for WM 5/6 will be able to run on WM 7.
It scares me with the type of re-investment I will have to make to upgrade all my purchased software to WM 7 compatible versions.
This does not mean I am against improvement to our beloved WM operating system.
My two cents:
It is deemed rather impossible that the WM7 will be working on most current WM5-6 devices without a hardware sensor built within the device no?
if no guesture can be tracked through a sensor, how does the soft knows what to do.
bottom line, WM7 will generate a full new range of PDA phones simply to replace WM6 ones. No "upgrade" seems to be possible.
IGNORE post. just red that WM7 will use the on-board camera instead of gyroscopes etc.
well since we cant have the actual WM7, mayybeee, just maybee, someone skilled enough can make an exact theme for WM6...
Looks like I'll have to book another Hong Kong trip for 2009 to pickup a cheap HTC WM7 device any excuse will do though. (getting an unlocked Kaiser for half the price the vendor locked ones sell for here was worth the trip alone.)
Now I know what you are thinking. TouchFlo 3D doesn't belong here! Well I come bringing an idea. Touchflo 3D is problably the most polished and professional, yet still simple interface that has appeared on a windows mobile device yet. And HTC always seems to be improving it.
Well my idea is what if someone could make an application that looked and worked just like TouchFlo 3D does, it doesn't have to take over the home screen (unless you want it to) and it could include all the tabs you've grown to love, with that big flip clock too. I believe it would be easier to make it for android as it is (from my understanding) easier to code on than windows mobile. And it could include some animations that our beloved TF3D never could dream about.
And from my understanding the iPhone has a clone of it aswell, so it could just be one more thing that says anything they can do, we can do better.
So who agrees?
Here is the idea mockup.
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I do realize the time on both are different, it is just photoshoped, and quickly too.
Also I posted this as a thread instead of the sticky to get more attention as this would probably be a bit of a task to do.
I do no want my android phone looking like crappy windows mobile. No thanks I'm happy with the UI of android.
This takes one of the only good, finger friendly, beautiful UI features of windows mobile and brings it to Android. And in my opinion the android home screen isn't much to look at at the moment until the widget sdk is opened up.
But I do agree that windows mobile is ugly (and a lot of other not so good things that I could go on forever with... )
I could really just do with that super cool rolodex like clock on android! Hehe and witht the new dxtop home screen which allows wigets.... it may be a way to make us all happy!
touchflo is somewhat pretty but imho the slide finger to switch crap is a bad idea. it is just too impricise for me.
tap and be there, thats why apples UI works so well.
no thanks, i prefer the android gui, too. but an agenda widget would be good
I think anything is worth a shot and I'm sure there are people that like the big clock. I for one wouldnt use it, it would take away from the amazing themes that are being made and quite frankly the g1 ui looks alot better that that. I like the original look of the g1 and i dont want anything to do with windows or iphone. Thanks for posting the idea dont wanna seem like its not a good idea cause it is but its not for me.
The features i like are the big clock, flip contacts, and the weather (in its animated glory.)
Maybe when the sdk comes out all (but prolly the contacts) can be made as a widget. But since there is no mention or eta of the sdk this was my idea.
Maybe
it would look amazing but i just can't wait till we can widgets. After the release of more widget i just don't know if i would use it but right now i would definitely use it.
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it would look amazing but i just can't wait till we can widgets. After the release of more widget i just don't know if i would use it but right now i would definitely use it.
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Agreed, widgets are a huge thing for android. and it makes me wonder why there werent more pre installed, and why theres no SDK yet...
I would like to see the rotating cube, not TouchFlo 3d sh**s. If i wanna TouchFlo i will buy phone with windows mobile, not the Linux one.
Not a big fan, but hey, I say you should still go for it, because we do have some windows fans here.
Well for me, i happy with how Android right now (i think) But if there something new and cool? why not give it a try!
I was recently using my friends HTC Diamond and fell in love with the TouchFLO 3D interface. I would love to see it implemented into our Android phones. I hope someone can take this idea and make it into a reality!
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Agreed, widgets are a huge thing for android. and it makes me wonder why there werent more pre installed, and why theres no SDK yet...
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there is no SDK for security reasons as of yet.
the HOME app has full system privileges, and widgets inside of home also have full system privileges as a result.
there won't be an SDK for widgets until google has found a clean way to seperate the widget privileges from the hosting home privileges.
read the google developer mailing list
YES!!! one step closer to TOTAL domination!!!
imho This is a awesome idea. let's look at it in perspective... apple has things from windows and vice versa, with linux getting the best of both worlds. This is how it's been in the pc/mac realm. As for the phone dept. things have been shaping up quite similarly, with one exeption... g1 (the linux in the scenario) is B.U.I.L.T(built using incredibly likable terms) for this concept. So with this and more ideas like this the g1 will become an all immersive, user lovable phone....ultimately dominating the market.
(and the crowd goes wild...)
well well well just to clarify
apple is unix based http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html
android is linux based no need to link you all know that
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_Linux_and_Unix
so please stop saying apple this or apple that iphone like leopard are just so good gui on a unix based system
they're all the same
the only difference is that Apple and Windows don't reveal their code unlike android (linux os based) which is open source
If you really want to compare compare :
windows VS (apple, android os)
Considering we now have an app like dxtop which is a home screen alternative and has the abbility to add widgets, I would think it'd be possible to have an app which simulates other GUIs like TouchFlo 3D. Right?
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Considering we now have an app like dxtop which is a home screen alternative and has the abbility to add widgets, I would think it'd be possible to have an app which simulates other GUIs like TouchFlo 3D. Right?
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Seems like it could be possible to me, we need a developer to get in here and fill us in if it is.
personally
i would only like it to be out as another option
not necessarily for me but for the whole android community
thefoss said:
Considering we now have an app like dxtop which is a home screen alternative and has the abbility to add widgets, I would think it'd be possible to have an app which simulates other GUIs like TouchFlo 3D. Right?
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Congrats on a sensible post! I laugh at everyone who says the G1 is for tech-head early adopters only. Has anyone seen the "post you homescreen" topic! LOL.
Anyway, like you said, if dxtop is an alternative homescreen running as an app, then a touchflo type interface should be possible as well.
And for whoever it was crying about the slide UI - we'll this could just have tap and go. OR slide. It's not going to be a straight port is it...
Hey guys,
I got my Xperia in early October last year, and it was my first encounter with Windows Mobile. Like many of you I've had mixed feelings towards this device. I do think it can be a great phone - if you put some effort into it and with the help of the xda-developers.
But I took some time and wrote down everything that has annoyed me over the past year with WinMo and the Xperia. I thought it would be interesting to see if there are other Xperia owners out there that share my opinion
All That is Bad About Windows Mobile
So, is this article a load of cr*p or are my objections valid? Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks!
/Lars
Ì think you summed up about everything I know I hate - and love - about WM. Amen brother!
i agreed with you, but i prefer winmo 6.5 over the iphone, the blackberry and the e71.
Totally agree, and I started in somewhat the same situation.
The X1 is my first experience with Windows Mobile phones, even smartphones for that matter, and I found it horrible in the beginning. The only thing that has made it even harder for me than you is I use Apple pc's so I can't update my stock-rom without lending someones Windows pc and sure as hell can't try stuff like switching rom's!
i agree about the xperia bits and windows mobile 6.1 - but windows mobile is changing - the 6.5.2 builds with the buttons at the bottom are a huge improvement on the 6.1 we have at the moment and the Marketplace will also change Windows Mobile for the better
Agreed on most of it (99%) and laughed a lot, but FRACKING LOL'D at this:
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......but don't forget that there is a reason for the absence of those features... Why?...
...because.....
IT'S A GAMING MACHINE!
I agree too .. problem is there is no perfect device.
iPhone quite limits the software. No opera mini. No AVI playback.
WebOS and Android are still a bit young. We must wait. And in the time of X1, WebOS was not known and Android was just an infant.
WM plainly sucks, but most things can be fixed and it is actually possible to live with it.
Read the list but can't share all of it. I'm not very sensitive to GUI aspects because the critical items are one-timers mostly and you don't touch them every day. My point is that all the other fancy stuff on the market like iPhone and Android are basícally nice as well but they still are islands in a productivity kind of view. I need my windows/exchange connections and frankly, WiMo does the job. I need my particular range of software and I can get them for WiMo, I can't get that stuff for iPhone. An iPhone for me would just be "a phone" with web access but that's not what I carry that device for. I got my Spb 3 and got rid of the panelmanager (never found out what the heck I shall do with it anyway), got my street/air navigation stuff and my ERP system to run on it and I'm happy. I'm not after Facebook, I don't need strange themes every day, I don't even need weather because that's what I see when I don't stare at the screen but lift my neck (move muscles) and watch out of the window, the ones made of glas. Sometimes I think that I'm "just a happy customer" because that thing does exactly what I was expecting when I put my money on the table. Most of the things on your list I never even came across when using mine on a day-to-day basis. But I use my SE to do the job, it's not my job to do something an the SE.
Cheers - Susan
Well put!
+1 for "totally agree"...
all the frustrations ~and yet all the love too ...
Was my first WinMo too -and yes it took several weeks of trial and error(s)
Had it not been for XDA I'd have given up, but thanks to all the great people and stuff here (and my interest /patience /application) I now love my Xperia
Couldn't live without it
Thanks for all the excellent feedback! I was afraid the article was too long for anyone to be bothered reading it
Looks like you both agree and disagree with me, and that most of you have a love-hate relationship with WinMo as well.
@orelsi - do you follow Battlestar Galactica too? Frakking awesome show!
Great article. I agree with all of the minor irritants about default WinMo interface. Since I never really use MS built-in features and rely almost exclusively on 3rd Party (prettier) apps I don't really care about ugly touch-unfriendly interface.
However, for the uninitiated I can see that this could seem like a very large barrier to entry. I would have thought MS would have done to the old WinMo interface what they did with DOS and Win95/98. Hid it underneath a much prettier shell and NEVER see those old 3.1 style menus (unless a REALLY want to).
When people see my phone sometimes they ask about it and usually I can't recommend they buy it, unless they are pretty tech-savvy. Which I think is a little sad because I love my phone so much, and I wish everyone could get a device as capable as mine, but instead they settle for cruder devices.
Oh well, I am happy with mine, and maybe 6.5 and 7 will bring a little more for me to play with and recommend to others.
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@orelsi - do you follow Battlestar Galactica too? Frakking awesome show!
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Hi Guys
Is it possibly that i can flash a WM6.5 Rom on a HTC Dream?
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evo
You cant, no support and no roms for it.
Your going to get flamed . Should have searched....
Idk why you'd want to in the first place. XD
WM would be interesting but I'm to much of an Android fan to change over.
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WM would be interesting but I'm to much of an Android fan to change over.
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WM on the HTC Dream
THAT WOULD BE 1337!
But nope, impossible.
Why:
The biggest issue in running WM on the Dream is hardware support. The Dream has a nice Qualcomm 528 Mhz dual-core CPU which would run WM 6.5 nicely.. perhaps more fast and usable than Android. (I STILL LOVE THE 'DROID THO!)
I think Windows Mobile (WinCE) supports YAFFS file system (Yet Another Flash File System), so it would run off the NAND of the Dream.
If the boot partition on the NAND is the main bootloader that starts the Linux kernel, it might be possible to modify it to run WM. If the bootloader is some read-only crap on the motherboard, then we can't change it. I'm not sure.
WM doesn't have support for many components of the Dream, like the accelerometer, capacitive screen, etc. I think the Qualcomm CPU is supported because it was used in another WM device... thats probably it
Since there are no useful developer documents released by HTC on how the hardware works, we can't really write drivers for WM.
Besides, WM isn't as easy to mod as Android... cmon, we got a totally different Android build from a MOTOROLA, and we ported it to the HTC Dream. That's unbelievably 1337. But, all the dev needed to do was go in, remove the drivers and other crap required for the Motorola hardware, stick in the crap used for the Dream, tweak the boot image so it starts on the Dream, do some more stuff.. and bam... it boots.
If HTC was crazy enough to build and support WM for a strictly Google marketed device like the Dream, Google will conduct thermonuclear warfare with every single entity of HTC devices, like the one you're holding in your hand.... that action would make planet Earth implode, thus killing everything except for the small organisms growing on Mars...
ANDROID still pwns WM...
PLUS, Windows Mobile is a cluster-f***.
ANDROID is simple and easy to manage.
Windows Mobile is proprietary, closed-source crap that's good to use but hard to change.
ANDROID is open-source, easy to open and tweak around, and it's better to use.
When I first used Windows Mobile, I thought "THIS IS 1337!"
But later when I tried modifying it and hacking registry keys, I found out that WM is very restricted. Maybe not as much as Mobile OS X (iPhone,) but I would get sick of using WM because of crappy UI areas and other strange behaviors that I couldn't change because:
I was not able to change the source code of "Today.exe", compile it, push it to my phone, and enjoy WM...
If the scroll bar in Explorer has a bad size/position, I can't change it... OH! But I can just use another file manager of home screen... but then it will just get more complicated...
HTC has this problem fixed with their WM devices (HTC TouchFLO), but outside of their shiny home-screen, it's just a pain in the *** again.
Microsoft, in my opinion, did a mediocre job in optimizing WM 6.5 for touch-screen devices. Google is doing a great job with ANDROID... in under a year, they went from 1.0 to 1.1, then 1.1 to 1.5 with major updates. They just released 1.6, and now they're working on 2.0!
Enough said, WM is a cluster-f***.
I want my Cupcakes, Donuts and tasty Eclair!
I have been asking this question since the G1 launch, I used to have an MDA and Wing with Winmo on them. There were some sweet ROMs cooked for those devices but the CPU and RAM sucked horribly. There are some HTC phones coming out with the same hardware as the G1 so maybe once those hit the street we will see more options for our Dream hardware.
I would stick with Android but it would be nice to have the option of Winmo with Touchflo 3D on the Dream's hardware!
I bought my wife a G1 (with android), I bought my son a touch pro (with windows mobile). Android blows Windows Mobile away - not even close.
i think it would be nice to have the option, but i couldn't see myself using it for very long at all. it seems sooo, well ummm not amazing, after android.
Ok.
Can I any Mobile OS flash on the G1 ?
It's not that I do not like Android.
Android is very very cool, but how is the collaboration with winXP and Android?
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I bought my wife a G1 (with android), I bought my son a touch pro (with windows mobile). Android blows Windows Mobile away - not even close.
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I've used WM devices from 2004 till 2009, because my old phone got messed up t mobile offered me the G1.. At first i hesitated, but it didnt even take me 3 days to love Android more than WM
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KNOWFEAR-AHHHAHAHAHAHA!
EVO-WINMO leaves a bad taste in my mouth...but you can give me your G and I'll send you my SHADOW...I'm sure Drizzy can help work out the details...and you can keep the evo lol
Sorry but even WANTING to run winmo ANYTHING on an android device is silly in my opinion....I smashed my t-mobile shadow to bits after i got a g1!
before you say it, yes i know win7 isnt a good tablet os. i know. i dont care i still want one. lol.
anyway here is what im looking at:
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my arguments for gigabyte:
much faster cpu (atom equivalent of an i3)
standard 2.5" hdd allows more and cheaper upgrade options (hybrid hdd anyone?)
dual usb with one superspeed
mouse pad, mouse buttons and scroll buttons make it much easier to navagate freely, also certain combos will send certain commands like C+A+D
looks really sexy, pretty much like the hp slate
thoughts: if it had atleast 720p resolution and atleast dx10 supported gpu id be all over this thing
summary: has ehh hardware compared to msi but ease of use seems exponentially bettermy arguments for msi:
slightly cheaper
ips display at 720p+ (you sexy beast)
lower tdp cpu
radeon 6 series gpu with dx11 absolutely OBLITERATES any atom gma (the ability to do some light gaming like bejeweled and heavy weapon would be nice, at more than 15 fps would be even better)
double the ram at a higher data rate
msata insures low power consumption
dual cameras
gps (cuz why not)
slightly bigger battery
dedicated C+A+D button can be pretty useful
tpm security module
thoughts: if i could find a better cpu to upgrade to i could live with everything else and would buy this thing in a heartbeat but lack of mouse controls, super slow cpu and lack of i/o ports are a real turn off
summary: has some fairly impressive hardware for a tablet, but the ease of use seems lacking compared to the gigabyte
I can see where this will end up, so ib4l
ha ha ha! way to be productive bro.
Some people here judge everyone by their own standards
yeah... just go ahead and delete the thread im sure everyone is gonna bypass it anyway
m1l4droid said:
I'd say wait for surface. It's worth the wait. Even I'm ditching Android as a tablet OS for that device.
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^^^ that.
Unless there's a specific reason for wanting W7 on it (maybe you just want it now, rather than waiting), go for W8 - looks much better.
daktah said:
yeah... just go ahead and delete the thread im sure everyone is gonna bypass it anyway
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I'll close it if you really want me to, but not everyone in here's a troll. Some will actually read your post and answer constructively.
Archer said:
^^^ that.
Unless there's a specific reason for wanting W7 on it (maybe you just want it now, rather than waiting), go for W8 - looks much better.
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i know i probably should but im not looking to spend a ton of money on this thing as i already have a $2300-something sager gaming rig (the one good thing about deploying: the redonk amount of cash you make). i just wanted this as a small cheap portable solution.and plus i can jusp upgrade when w8 is released if i wanted.
Archer said:
I'll close it if you really want me to, but not everyone in here's a troll. Some will actually read your post and answer constructively.
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oh yes i know ive been here since i found the place back when the og evo came out so i know that people can be really helpful... when it comes to phones. other things tend to be not so much. atleast in my experience.
I had no intention of being a troll - it was early in the morning here, I briefly skimmed the OP and had visions of it going exactly the same way the recent Mac thread has gone, turning into a haters vs fanboys outing.
To be honest, I would also recommend waiting for one of the 'Surface' tablets running Windows 8. 7 just isn't designed for tablets and is still really difficult to utilise without a keyboard - I speak from experience as I am an EPoS engineer by trade and spend half my life using both XP & Win 7 based touch-screen PC systems in my job.
I have played with 8 and it just looks much better designed and far more ideal for the Tablet market.
The arm version of the surface would have a processor that is similar to those of android tablets and the ipad right now. You wont be able to run any current windows programs on it. However the pro version of the surface should run older windows programs, in addition to the metro apps. The pro version will most likely be a bit pricey though.
yosterwp said:
The arm version of the surface would have a processor that is similar to those of android tablets and the ipad right now. You wont be able to run any current windows programs on it. However the pro version of the surface should run older windows programs, in addition to the metro apps. The pro version will most likely be a bit pricey though.
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Yes I just looked it up and saw that and that is my problem with new Surface machines. RT is supposed to start out at $600 but basically is a glorified WinMob/WinPhone, and since its ARM it will most likely use SOCs which means no CPU or RAM expansion options. On the other hand 8/Pro will be fully compatible with everything and use standard mobile components, but starting at $1000+ is way out of my price range. Again, I have an expensive ass laptop for the power computing area of my life, I just wanted this as a thing that is more mobile and just to mess around with it. And as far as the keyboard thing, SimonTS, a $15 generic mini USB keyboard case from Amazon can easily solve that problem.
I guess when I end up being able to buy something Ill go for the Gigabyte because of the body, ports, and the couple of accessories offered by Gigabyte compared to the... nothing that MSI offers (that Im aware of at least). I bet I can replace the screen on it too hopefully.