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Sooo glad I didn't get the iphone 3g

A couple of months ago, when I discovered that the new iphone would support exchange I admit to becoming quite interested in it, as luck would have it I spooted the up and coming diamond and decided to stick with what I know and like (WM). I have had my diamond for a month now and I love it!
Out of interest I looked at some iphone forums today to see how people are getting on with their new toys - result - I am gobsmacked! Loads of problems reported on 3g reception (for which the stock answer on the forums appears to be turn off 3g!) Loads of problems with battery life (for which the stock answers appear to be turn off 3g, don't use WIFI and carry a charger with you at all times) Loads of problems with exchange (is it push or pull?), build quality issues, activation issues (including some guy being chased out of a US apple store and assualted by some "activation monkey" security types because he did not follow the correct in store procedures), the list goes on.
Of course, many punters are very happy with theie purchase but unlike these forums, there appears to me to be a strong tendency to deny that anything could possibly be amiss with the "Jesus" phones' second coming on the basis that any flaw is actually some kind of feature deliberately prescribed by messr Jobs et al.
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.

adesonic said:
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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Well, I beg to differ.... Remember the whole "accelerated drivers" debacle?
I'd say that the main difference between iPhone lovers and WM people is another one...
1) cupertino lovers, for THE most part, do NOT really care about deficiencies, they just wait for Apple to solve them (which they will do soon enough).
2) WM people are just the opposite: they actively go out and look for solutions.
On the other side, both communities have a strong core of really talented people struggling hard to make their devices work beyond the levels they where supposed to (I don't have to make names, do I?..) The jailbreaking system is really an amazing work of hacking... and it's comparable to having WM5, WM6 and now WM6.1 run on 4 years old phones. Don't you agree?

i agree
i am very interested in gettin the iphone, though i have been drinkin that haterade, nvr been a fan of it, and im gettin on a new contract too... i will be able to keep my tilt and the iphone if i decide to get one, but on the other hand if att brings the tilt2 in sept. or oct. i would rather get that, wut should i do? but i really wanna try that 3g iphone, and battery has always been a prob. wit da iphone.

Im looking at it, but eBay prices put me off. It's only because I lost my P1i, and have 15 months left on my contract. But it's no problem, I've had 6 phones in the last year, so changing during contract isn't a problem. The £450 for 8gb is. I might go to a shop and check the speed of the old iphone on edge. Im on o2 anyway so no problem with unlocking.
But I really do respect how apple have actually taken into account all people said about the original (except for the camera)
just my 2 pence!!
Rory

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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.

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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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sex for iphone users

Well those were some interesting replies. You have to admit though that the power of the Apple marketing machine is awesome - I mean these things (Iphone or WM) are only tools at the end of the day, but the emotion they can generate.............

I will say this. Some of the iPhone Apps look pretty amazing, especially the planetarium ones. It kind of pisses me off that we WM people cannot get the same quality of apps in that regard. Perhaps when 640x480 gets better adoption the apps will get prettier.
All in all, the iphone apps suck, I mean you gotta have your face book app your yelp app, your myspace app..blahblah, but in the area of starmaps, it appears iphone wins hands down. (of course they get to standardize on one resolution which is higher than most wm resolutions)

I don't know what category I fit in because I've got an iPhone and a Touch and I love them both. The iPhone is for play and the Touch is for business. Both are sexy devices.

My iPhone (original) arrives Monday hopefully. I was going to get the Diamond, but getting an 8GB iPhone for £190 is a steal in my opinion. Compared to £400 plus for the Diamond.
Plus, I'll still have my Athena for the huge screen. I may even experiment with connecting the iPhone to my Athena via USB. Hmmm...
(Covers face in anticipation of stoning)
Rory

I hope you will be very happy with your crippled device.

I am very happy with it. You can all laugh, but I've still got the most expensive PPC HTC have ever made too, so I've got the best of both worlds. But if I get an EEE, the Athena might have to go. But then I'm left 3G-less... Hmm
Rory

Well I bought an iPhone 3G for my girlfriend, took 10 minutes to walk in, get iPhone, and come out activated... No monkeys. I guess I missed out on the fun. As for battery life, no worse than other PPC/Smartphones I've used... The exchange I've heard bad things about, but my girlfriend is 23 and blonde, she doesn't know what push and pull means except when it comes to... Well, nevermind. Overall I think the iPhone is the best device available in North America (where I'm stuck), but I'm waiting on a Touch Pro. I'd never say your idea to grab the Diamond over the iPhone was wrong, but I'd have basically no service here, so that kinda puts a bad taste to the HTC.

Actually the iPhone 3G is right for some people. It is limited in what it does but those things it does do very well. If it does all that you need then fine. Personally I need a bit more and the Diamond gives that.

Well said, I agree completely. For my girlfriend, the iPhone 3G is perfect... Everything she needs and then some. For me? A bit lacking... Hence me waiting for the Touch Pro while using this little POS Sony Ericsson Z310a.

I love my iPhone lol. Everything is so esay on it. And this is coming form someone who has owned 6 HTC phones and 1 UIQ device in the last year.
It trumps them all for me. But this is me. When there is a reason to jailbreak it, I will. I haven't yet because I'm on O2, so don't need it unlocked, and because there are no launchers or apps for 2.0 yet so...
But I am finding it hard to find fault with it, and I'm sure an upgrade to the 3G one will come when the price is more like £300 - £350 rather than £450 - £500.
That said, I do love the way on all my WM phones, I could download any one of a million cabs and it would probably work, no such luck with my iPhone. The google app is great but is basically just links to the web versions of things. Apple remote for itunes won't work properly, Carling's iPint is funny but lasts about 2 minutes as a game, and all the rest of the good apps cost, and I'm not prepared to pay.
Jailbreaking will probably bring pirated apps I guess.
But one last thing, no matter what I've seen anyone do on wm to wmulate the iPhone, nothing comes close to it's smoothness. But it does have a Diamond-like lag in that it loads the background to the app, then about a second later the rest of it. Similar to the diamond loading tabs from what I've seen.
Anyways, I'm not some iPhone fanboy as you can probably see from my join date and post count (although a bunch of my posts are, I will admit, pretty useless) So don't come over here flaming me for foriming aa balanced opinion.
Rory

Xperia or Touch Pro? From a Win Mobile 7 point of view...

Hi,
I'm new to the windows mobile world and this is going to be my first windows mobile device. I currently own an iPhone which I simply love, but as much as I love it, I hate it too. So deciding it’s time to move on was simple, and being an avid windows user and being a .net windows application developer, I opted for a Windows Mobile phone this time.
My eyes are set on various devices, but the two on the top of the list are Xperia X1 and Touch Pro.
Touch Pro has the Touch Flo 3D which is insanely beautiful. (My cousin has a Touch diamond, so I’ve already played with it). Whereas Xperia's Panels may are not far behind - though not as awesome looking as the Touch Flo 3D, yet they are powerful and have a unique look 'n' feel going for them. Not to mention, the Touch Flo 3D is pretty static - I mean not so much customization happening for them. But for the Panels, they can be customized as you want... So in that regards, I think Xperia wins.
Not going into the other features of both the handsets, I’m going to come straight to the point. Windows Mobile 7.
Yes. I know that Microsoft has yet to announce it, and that there is no indication of when it will actually be available. But the question arises... will these mobile sets be able to support Windows Mobile 7 when released?
Considering that both device's processor and graphics chips are compatible with Windows Mobile 7, as we really can't make a statement on that, but the lack of an Accelerometer in Sony Xperia is the focus of my concern.
According to the rumors, there will be tons of changes to not only the interface but almost everything in Windows Mobile 7. And one major introduction will be gestures - where you move the mobile in certain manners and it does something and so on.
From where I sit, it seems that features such as Gestures will require Accelerometer. So that means that if Win Mobile 7 is released soon, Sony Xperia will either not support it at all, or it will come lacking some of the features from it.
So... now I am concerned... is Xperia a great choice? I have Xperia #1 on my list... but this seems like a huge drawback to me... and is making me think of others including HTC Touch Pro.
What do you think?
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid

First off... here is a link for a collection of (supposed) windows mobile 7...
http://www.engadget.com/photos/is-this-windows-mobile-7/
Second, here are some of the things (gestures) i'm talking about:
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If you haven't seen them already, then i'm sure you'll be blown away...
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Well any CURRENT device will not have an officially released Winmo7 rom. They just dont usually do that, they simply ship the new rom on new phones. What this means is, the Xperia will have to rely on cooked Roms for WinMo7. Your better off obviously with a larger developer community, you will have more chance of getting Winmo7 running.
SO unless the Xperia becomes INSANELY popular (which my guess is it wont) you should really get the Diamond.

BTW - If you are wondering how am i so sure that Windows Mobile 7 is to come, and these are valid images?
Just watch the following Microsoft Live Mesh advertisement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
Notice the mobile in the car CLOSELY... it has the same interface that is shown in these images...

adderz91 said:
Well any CURRENT device will not have an officially released Winmo7 rom. They just dont usually do that, they simply ship the new rom on new phones. What this means is, the Xperia will have to rely on cooked Roms for WinMo7. Your better off obviously with a larger developer community, you will have more chance of getting Winmo7 running.
SO unless the Xperia becomes INSANELY popular (which my guess is it wont) you should really get the Diamond.
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Isn't there chance that the mobiles will have official upgrades to Win Mo 7? Many mobiles are moving from 6 to 6.1.. but then i guess that is a lot different from moving to 7.
But of course, when it comes down to which one is more likely to release an update to Win Mo 7 if possible, it will be HTC. So i am really badly torn!!!
Maybe i should go for Xperia - considering it gets the reviews that i'm thinking it will once launched - and then sell it out when a Windows Mobile 7 device hits the market...

The xperia does not have an accelerometer, so it will miss out on a lot of features. Also the touch pro has a lot more RAM than the xperia (128 MB vs 228 MB) which should also help a bit.
Surur

msalmank said:
BTW - If you are wondering how am i so sure that Windows Mobile 7 is to come, and these are valid images?
Just watch the following Microsoft Live Mesh advertisement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
Notice the mobile in the car CLOSELY... it has the same interface that is shown in these images...
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Wow, you are right! That is exciting! I saw the screen shots a long time ago an the source sounded credible. I never saw that video though. That pretty much confirms it. That video was a long time ago though. Late April. Some things may have changed. I like it though. Don't really care for motion gestures though. How stupid would I look shaking my phone around? I really dont see what the hype about the accelerometer is.
I'm a little confused about the bottom bar though. Shouldn't the middle button always be a start button? But in most of the pictures it looks like it does something else. In the first picture though it is a start button. But the left soft key is also a start button. Why the redundancy?

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Wow, you are right! That is exciting! I saw the screen shots a long time ago an the source sounded credible. I never saw that video though. That pretty much confirms it. That video was a long time ago though. Late April. Some things may have changed. I like it though. Don't really care for motion gestures though. How stupid would I look shaking my phone around? I really dont see what the hype about the accelerometer is.
I'm a little confused about the bottom bar though. Shouldn't the middle button always be a start button? But in most of the pictures it looks like it does something else. In the first picture though it is a start button. But the left soft key is also a start button. Why the redundancy?
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From my understanding - and neither it is professional nor based on any solid facts - the logo in the middle is most likely a logo and not a button. But who knows... it might be a quick access to something, but from the pictures i've seen so far, the Start menu is from the button to the left of the logo.
And i know what you mean about the gestures... it would be weird sitting in a room shaking your device and everything, but when it comes down to it, it'll be cool!
I just wish that Microsoft would announce something in regards to Windows Mobile 7 already. Maybe it's 'cos 20+ windows mobile 6.1 devices are slated for release in the next couple of months...

surur said:
The xperia does not have an accelerometer, so it will miss out on a lot of features. Also the touch pro has a lot more RAM than the xperia (128 MB vs 228 MB) which should also help a bit.
Surur
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I'm afraid you have the specs wrong...
HTC Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524)
As for Sony Xperia, it did start out at 128 MB, but then jumped upto 248 MB... and now, it is confirmed that the final Xperia will come with a huge 340 MB RAM!!!
http://stuff.tv/blogs/cool/archive/2008/09/15/unboxed-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1.aspx
http://www.softwareheadlines.com/modules/planet/view.article.php/289031
So other than not having an Accelerometer, the Xperia has a couple of advantages over the HTC Touch Pro. HTC Touch Pro's only advantages i see at this moment are that it has an Accelerometer, and second it is HTC! (Whereas this is Sony's first windows mobile device)
Best Regards.

Xperia increased the RAM due to the somewhat lagging performance of the panels, and supposedly it is very smooth now. Though there are some who say that the panels take a lot of time to load up (but i'm guessing that is on startup) and that they are still a bit not too smooth (but they're not using the final version, are they?).
We'll just have to wait and see what happens on September 30th... and i for one will be hunting down any reviews i can on 30th September/1st October.

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I'm afraid you have the specs wrong...
HTC Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524)
As for Sony Xperia, it did start out at 128 MB, but then jumped upto 248 MB... and now, it is confirmed that the final Xperia will come with a huge 340 MB RAM!!!
http://stuff.tv/blogs/cool/archive/2008/09/15/unboxed-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1.aspx
http://www.softwareheadlines.com/modules/planet/view.article.php/289031
So other than not having an Accelerometer, the Xperia has a couple of advantages over the HTC Touch Pro. HTC Touch Pro's only advantages i see at this moment are that it has an Accelerometer, and second it is HTC! (Whereas this is Sony's first windows mobile device)
Best Regards.
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Kinda scares me that it wouldnt run smooth with 256mb RAM. My tilt with 128mb has about 50-60 free on boot. I wonder how much the xperia with 340mb will have. Seems like overkill. Do the panels really gobble that much! I intend to just disable the panels anyway as I dont like the idea. My panel button will just launch the start menu (more specifically, the touchXperience start menu . cant wait for it to come out). It seems like it still has exceptional battery life though, and that is my only concern with too much RAM.
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From my understanding - and neither it is professional nor based on any solid facts - the logo in the middle is most likely a logo and not a button. But who knows... it might be a quick access to something, but from the pictures i've seen so far, the Start menu is from the button to the left of the logo.
And i know what you mean about the gestures... it would be weird sitting in a room shaking your device and everything, but when it comes down to it, it'll be cool!
I just wish that Microsoft would announce something in regards to Windows Mobile 7 already. Maybe it's 'cos 20+ windows mobile 6.1 devices are slated for release in the next couple of months...
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Actually after going back over the WM7 shots and discussion it looks like the middle button opens the SIP (it would be a waste of real estate to do nothing). I guess it is also a waste of real estate to have a start button on screen if you have a hard button to open the start menu. Good choice I guess. I to can't wait for MS to just release it already!

I agree that there will be no official update for the X1 for WM7. There would be too much work to get the necessary drivers for the then old hardware of the X1 and the new software WM7. They will use their manpower for their further (new) devices, developed with WM7.
Toshiba for example even did not give a WM6.1 update from WM6 for the G900!

JKingDev said:
Kinda scares me that it wouldnt run smooth with 256mb RAM. My tilt with 128mb has about 50-60 free on boot. I wonder how much the xperia with 340mb will have. Seems like overkill. Do the panels really gobble that much!
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I don't know... i think it would work great. With 256 MB RAM, it ran great, but there was noted lag at times - i say this after watching tons of videos and reviews.
Anyhow there'll be plenty of space on it - i think - and also that keep in mind, it'll be running 9 applications so it makes sense to increase the RAM to 340 MB...
I don't know... i guess we'll just have to wait for the final version and see how the reviews go. Fortunately for me, being in Pakistan, i won't be able to get my hands on it as soon as it is launched so can give it a week or two to see how the reviews go and then make my decision.

pf said:
I agree that there will be no official update for the X1 for WM7. There would be too much work to get the necessary drivers for the then old hardware of the X1 and the new software WM7. They will use their manpower for their further (new) devices, developed with WM7.
Toshiba for example even did not give a WM6.1 update from WM6 for the G900!
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Ah well... i can just hope that whichever mobile i do end up with, when Microsoft does release Win Mo 7, they release an update somehow too... Or the set still carries a big market value so that i can switch to a Win Mo 7 device...

pf said:
I agree that there will be no official update for the X1 for WM7. There would be too much work to get the necessary drivers for the then old hardware of the X1 and the new software WM7. They will use their manpower for their further (new) devices, developed with WM7.
Toshiba for example even did not give a WM6.1 update from WM6 for the G900!
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HTC is good on updates though. They have given WM5 -> WM6 updates and WM6 -> WM6.1 updates too.

Sure is a lot of misinformation. The latest prototype xperias had 384mb ram. This is what should be expected from the release devices.

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Sure is a lot of misinformation. The latest prototype xperias had 384mb ram. This is what should be expected from the release devices.
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Do you mean misinfo on how much RAM it will have? They have increased it twice.
I played with the proto that only had 128mb. Only 35mb free on boot. I was not happy. I was glad to hear the increase to 256. Now with 384mb, it had better have upwards of 100mb free on boot. I should think there would be 200mb or even 300mb free with no panels running. I mean seriously, how could 300mb be all used up? Maybe lots of video memory for good gfx?
When I put my 8gb microsd in, it will have more RAM, more storage space, and a higher cpu clock frequency than my old windows 95 pc.

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Sure is a lot of misinformation. The latest prototype xperias had 384mb ram. This is what should be expected from the release devices.
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So far the sites that i've browsed, the max is 340 MB mentioned on 'em... this is the second time i've heard of 384 MB RAM...
I just wish that Sony Ericsson would make the xperia web-site more useful and list the specifications in full detail rather than the limited specifications they have listed at the moment.
Since they're increasing RAM before launch, who knows! they might suprise us and include Accelerometer in the final set too!

JKingDev said:
When I put my 8gb microsd in, it will have more RAM, more storage space, and a higher cpu clock frequency than my old windows 95 pc.
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I don't have a Micro SD... so will most probably go for the highest capacity possible when the time comes - which i suppose will take time, 'cos xperia's going to drive my wallet empty...

Simple: HTC Touch HD!

[Q] Microsoft on the Captivate

With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?

quarlow said:
With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.

Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.

xbox 360... that is why i want it

There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now

I cringed when I read the op

ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS

LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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ksizzle9 said:
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>

TheTodFather said:
xbox 360... that is why i want it
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That doesn't even make sense

The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.

I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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tytdfn said:
That doesn't even make sense
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.

I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??

quarlow said:
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.

quarlow said:
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.

Bjd223 said:
They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx

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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.

Buy now or wait???

My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?

if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year

well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.

Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.

My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.

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My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?

jebise101 said:
thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.

In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.

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Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.

I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.

Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?

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Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!

I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).

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I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.

What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january

Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while

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Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.

Toss3 said:
StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored

Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven

What do you think will happen to nokia?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/...oops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/#disqus_thread
With the monsoon tidal wave ultra onslaught of that which is android, and in addition to all the other OS's (be it iOS, WP7, or WebOS) they've got some stiff competition from all sides. And it's only going to get...stiffer.
So.
What do you guys think? I really don't know what to expect. On one hand...it's freaking Nokia! They can't be defeated with their vast numbers!! On the other hand.... every time I open Tech Blog____ and read about the monstrous market share eating monster that is android... well they could soon have the vast numbers.
Then there's Apple. I'm sure Nokia is aware of their existence. WP7 has MS backing of course, and WebOS has HP.
Nokia! Sink or swim?
I also humbly request a genuine discussion... /no hardcore platform bashing

they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa

I have never bought or used a Nokia.
It's mainly for politically reasons, Nokia have profilated it self as a Pro EU company from a pro EU country. I simply don't like the EU and hence Nokia.
What will happen to Nokia perhaps going the same way as Siemens.
Wasn't that german company bought by the Benq?
What happened to the Benq-siemens, I just know that I never would buy anything from nor Siemens or Benq nor from Benq-Siemens.
Maybe the last thing Nokia will do is bringing a upcoming (and greedy) Asian company down the drain with them.
Anything thats bad for EU-economics means a hope for freedom from the "EU ist freiheit macht centralizing, sieg hail EU"

basically ur saying their a globalists and thats why u dont buy , thats fine
but u would be very hardly pressed to find a company that isnt affiliated with globalism in any way
Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks
i dont even have to start about apple

Move to android , symbian is dead
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they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa
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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...

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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...
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We can't help it, it's just sooooo tasty
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I'm praying for a Nokia/Android combo. It's gonna give HTC/Android a run for its money.

Mobile world is changing, the big companies will have to adapt to the "new way"
I can see it out of the 1st place easily

Nokia and android
Nokia has exceptional hardware.. even n series can run android. if they can come into android..no body can beat them. its an unbeatable combo..

Some special must happen...and then may be they will be well

Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.

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Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.
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Rumour puts it at WinPhone 7, but I'm still hoping that Nokia understands that Android is the way to go

I'm glad to see this thread, I actually started a similar one on another forum a while back.
http://androidforums.com/lounge/184006-where-hell-nokia-smartphone-craze.html
I just don't understand why America hasn't seen any smartphone action from Nokia. When I got my myTouch 3G I remember thinking, "Hey! Where the hell did Nokia go, anwyay?"

I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too

avgjoegeek said:
I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too
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If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.

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If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.
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So... you like... wanna meet up or something so I can charge you up?
LOL!
And yeah, I really wish that Nokia would take the HTC route and pimp themselves out for the OSes.

Android is about to flourish exponentially due to Nokia killing off symbian and preparing for massive layoffs.
I expect a huge percentage to move to Google and the Android team.

News flash: Nokia went over to Windows. Guess now they are jumping into an ocean filled with sharks

i never liked nokia nor their smartphones.
nokia is the leading phone company in the middle east, if i write nokia on my phone i can sell it for $300
they never made a "perfect phone" they always tend to remove something and add something else instead.
and now that they chose windows phone the whole arabian commutnity will have a wp7 device and i wont be special anymore
and the last thing i would like to see is nokia on xda, f*** man!