Cooking MS Bluetooth stack into rhodium...? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development

Not sure if anyone out there is aware, but a lot of people (myself included) have been having some problems with the Widcomm bluetooth stack that is being used in the Rhodium (touch pro 2, tilt 2) and i possibly the Topaz (Touch Diamond 2/htc pure). Does anyone know if it would be possible to take a the MS bluetooth stack that has been used in other phones in the past, such as the touch pro from last year, and cook it into the newer touch pro 2 ROMs?

Bump. I'm interested in this question as well.

i am interested 2 because older htc bluetooth stacks are working for me

Count me in. I would also like to see this cooked or even some solution for those of us who want to change to older one.

I don't think that drivers are available. I'm not sure, but I don't beleive any Rhodium ROM (even the early dev builds) had M$ stacks.

Sleuth255 said:
I don't think that drivers are available. I'm not sure, but I don't beleive any Rhodium ROM (even the early dev builds) had M$ stacks.
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Hey Sleuth!!!! Good to see ya, been awhile!!!
You may bve able to use the different stack. There are other BT stacks that were installable via cab for devices past. However, as Sleuth pointed out, unless you have access to device specific drivers it will take a bit more work than just cooking in an available package from a previous device package.
Give it a try. If you know about disassembly, try to compare the stacks. Just remember that there are not just the BT drivers you need to worry about, but also all of the shared resources that the driver uses or is used as for some audio functions, in example.

Just a note, but plenty of people had problems when they switched to the Microsoft stack in the titan, TP, etc. The fact that they switched back to the Widcomm stack was a blessing for A LOT of people who weren't able to use their last gen devices with many Nissan and Infiniti vehicles with both bluetooth and navigation. It just didn't work for us before the TP2 came out, unless you kept your old HTC Apache for this long.

GSLEON3 said:
Hey Sleuth!!!! Good to see ya, been awhile!!!
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yeah, I was almost ready to jump ship to android or even iPhone but then the Rhodium appeared. This is a bonafide cool gizmo the likes of which I have not seen since my Palm TT3.

MS BT Drivers
I would also love to have the MS BT drivers in the Rhodium. with Widcomm the voice dialling does not work properly, the phone does not connect to my Win 7 laptop. All this worked just fine with my TyTn II.

Yep, would be nice...
Driving a Volvo with BT, and up to now, I could pair it with my O2 Atom Life, HTC TP and a lot of other phones & PDA's.
Since i have the TH2 though, i can't get the sound working while trying to do a hands free call.
Recently I found a workaround by disabling the Data Connection in Comm. Manager, but this still stays a cumbersome solution.
I would appreciate the old MS BT stack of the TP on my TP2 as well

Iam not sure... about this but what i know is the devices which use generic bluetooth stack (microsoft) has bthuart.dll in oem drivers and bluetooth packeges in sys atleast thats what i have in my device..

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Toshiba BT Patch to remove SCMS-T for A2DP

Attached is a little program that will prevent the Toshiba BT stack (in laptops) from only connecting to headphones that support SCMS-T. I.e. all A2DP sink devices should now work.
Whytey
The thread on http://www.MTekk.com.au where the topic began for reference.
http://www.mtekk.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7862
Whytey
SCMS-T - Am I missing something?
Downloaded and ran the patch yet nothing. How fo I know it's worked?
Same problem - no change to BT headphone prob
Just an FYI, I'm also running into the same problem. Tried running SwitchTosSCMSCheck on top of Toshiba's bluetooth stack versions 3.20 and 4 without effect. (Rather than getting the SCMS error message, I get a more generic error message when trying to pair.) I noticed that the registry entries cited in the original thread weren't found during a search of my registry with either version installed ... wondering if Toshiba has tweaked to defeat this fix in the newer version.
Did some surfing on a related thread regarding BT on a Sony TR1 (which uses the same Toshiba stack but has the option to ignore SCMS). This isn't a hack because the software comes with that option enabled. (In fact, the SONY folks were hacking it to make it work with non-Toshiba products.) However, it installs very simply on my Toshiba M200
Link: http://www.drinnan.com/sw/A5_Bluetooth.zip
... replaces the BT 'antenna' with a more traditional BT symbol, but opens up into the Toshiba BT interface. Once installed, go into Options and make sure the SCMS checkbox is deselected.
This is a good fix but a short-term one. The software is evaluation only, and expires after 30 days. (There didn't seem to be an easy workaround for this.)
Re: SCMS-T - Am I missing something?
mattbatt said:
Downloaded and ran the patch yet nothing. How fo I know it's worked?
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You need to run it while you're making a new connection, just before you would usually get the error message you run the exe and click next in the usual new connection wizard.
Thanks, Thats much better now
Thanks for this fix. I bought a Moto HT820 headset to use with my PDA/phone, which initially did not support it as the carrier chose to remove A2DP from it, but I added it back and it is great. Also I wanted to use it with my Toshiba bluetooth stack that I had to install in my Sony laptop because Sony did not support bluetooth headset of any kind and Toshiba hit the copywrite barrier, but this utility fixed that nicely, thanks. My other laptop does not support the HT820 at all either, just blows it the same lo-fi like it is a HS820, so off to mess with the stack for it. My point being that it is nice that there are people out there that can make up the slack when the big companies dangle these nice options in front of us and then snatch them back and say we can not have them. Thanks again for the save.
Hi..
thanks djwhyte.I made the downloading of the file and works well.I have Pc Toshiba M100 end BT Siemens HHB-750.
Thanks A Lot ! Patch Works Perfectly
You're the best.
Sincerly
Thanks!
Worked for me too. Thanks a heap.
And screw you to Toshiba for making the problem in the first place.
The tech's at toshiba gave me the link for the patch (SCMS-T) but for some reason XDA will not let me download it. Please help
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The tech's at toshiba gave me the link for the patch (SCMS-T) :
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HAHAHA! It's good to know that toshiba's tech support is on top of things!
When I try to run the .exe it does not work
I try to run the software but it does not do anything I have stack v4.00.36. Any help?
toshiba (europe) released v5 of the bt stack, it has option to disable scms-t built in...
which is great, but my headphones still lose connection (i rode the short bus to school)
Windows XP+S9+A2DP
Thankyou very much for this fix, it works great.
m400 BT stack v5+vista+S9
no joy
program wont even show in the
process/services when i look at the task manager...
vista problem? (another!!!?)
BT stack 5.10.12 upgrade the answer?
trying it now, if i dont come back- dont use it :
upgrade is legit
get it at
http://aps2.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/download.php
simple- no need to do anything other then installing
Thanks whytey, I placed the switch on the desk top & it works well with my blue ant
speakers.
Double thanks ok.
for everyone who is confused by this scms-t..
you need to run the switchtosscms right before pairing your devices..
for me, i rand the .exe everytime it went for the next step.. even when its connecting..
toshiba protege m400..
hope this helps.. because it was confusing for me..
the sony A5 thing is junk...

Can the Tilt/Kaiser Bluetooth Stack be replaced?

I've been having some issues with my Tilt and my car's hands free setup (see: http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=105410). The problems seems to lie with the Microsoft bluetooth stack on WM 6.1. HTC is no help with this issue so I want to take matters into my own hands. Is there a way to replace the default Microsoft bluetooth stack with another, more reliable compatible stack from a reliable company (not Microsoft or HTC)? I don't want to get rid of my Tilt, but I need it to work right in my car. I'm thinking of staying away from purchasing WM 6.1 smartphones because of this.
frustrated...
Wow, no one has answered my post here, at ATT, at Kenwood, or on tiltsite. HTC answered only to tell me that compatibility doesn't necessarily mean that it would work (bs). This is very frustrating. I've read post all over xda developers and the rest of the internet about tilt bluetooth problems yet no one has an answer. I've completely giving up on trying to get bluetooth to work right with any of my devices (car, computer, etc). I can't imagine buying another HTC product. Good luck to everyone else out there struggling to get bluetooth to work on their tilt while the motorola, blackberry, lg, samsung, and other phone users watch with amazement and pity. Keep fighting the good fight. Hopefully one of you will win. I've completely lost!
That's a pretty strange story you've got there, because I have zero problems with my Tilt and bluetooth pairing to all manners of devices... on a regular basis, I connect my Tilt to my car's Pioneer stereo deck, to my laptop and desktop, and to my wireless headphones and I've had little to no difficulty. Actually, the easiest pairings so far have been between my Tilt and Pioneer Stereo Deck... At least for basic features - in order for the phone book entries to show on the deck's LCD display it required an upgrade from WinMo 6.0 to 6.1 and then in the deck itself I have to manually download the contact book. But that's the only troublesome thing I have to do, which is mostly an advanced feature any way that I could live (but prefer not to) without.
Sucks that you're having problems, all I can suggest is make sure you're doing everything properly... I've had no problems I couldn't overcome with my Tilt and bluetooth capable devices, especially since Windows Mobile 6.1 came out.
Hi,
I'm having the same problems, also when disconnecting from the BT carstereo after a phonecall, the device freezes up.
Anybody found a solution for this problem yet ?
Ny the way, my car stereo is a JVC KD-BT1
GRTZ,
Niels
@k4ever: Have you checked out this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285419
From what I can tell, they've ported the Widcomm BT stack to the Hermes and TyTN, so I imagine it's not far off from the Kaiser/TyTN-II, if it doesn't already work (my BT is working fine, so I'm not too likely to mes with my phone to find out-- but I hope this helps!)
-Weasel5i2
EDIT: Here's a CAB from the newer threads of the above post:
http://rs38.rapidshare.com/files/30721150/broadcomm_bt_stack.CAB
Thanks
Wow, thanks for the replies.
@ceosion
I got it working with a Pioneer deck in Best Buy. I was actually debating buying one, but I paid $500 for my Kenwood setup. All of my other phones work with it, to include other WM phone (not from HTC). I contacted Kenwood, but I have not recieved a reply.
@Weasel5i2
I tried the Widcomm stack when I used the stock ATT rom. It completely disabled bluetooth on the Tilt. I will try it with the PDA Corner rom I'm currently using (the best!) after the holiday weekend.
Thanks again for the replies!
k4ever said:
Wow, thanks for the replies.
@ceosion
I got it working with a Pioneer deck in Best Buy. I was actually debating buying one, but I paid $500 for my Kenwood setup. All of my other phones work with it, to include other WM phone (not from HTC). I contacted Kenwood, but I have not recieved a reply....
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I am experiencing Bluetooth connection issues between the Tytn2 and a kenwood DNX8220BT As far as I've heard from kenwood the Tytn2 is only supported with the older version of Windows Mobile (6.0)
I've also tried the Kenwood with my wife's Touch Diamond (Also HTC but other CPU, don't know about the BT radio though) but that one is also experiencing trouble. I didn't get any indication when they would have a new firmware version ready.
You did indicate that you also tried another WM phone, which version of WM does that one operate on?
@Mautje
The other WM phone was a Samsung Blackjack II running WM 5. I downgraded my Tilt to the default WM 6 Rom from ATT, but I had the same problems. I'm running the PDA Corner WM 6.1 Rom now. Does matter which ROM I use, I get the same results on the Tilt.
widcomm stack a no-go
I tried the Widcomm stack. It did not work at all. Kept getting error that "there was not enough memory to run, please reset device" or something to that nature. Could not uninstall so I had to re-flash my ROM. Back to square one.
k4ever said:
The other WM phone was a Samsung Blackjack II running WM 5. I downgraded my Tilt to the default WM 6 Rom from ATT, but I had the same problems. I'm running the PDA Corner WM 6.1 Rom now. Does matter which ROM I use, I get the same results on the Tilt.
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To bad. I was also looking into the other roms on this forum but it wil probably not work..
Kenwood is reporting that it should work with the rom version mentioned in the compatibility sheet.
In the sheet for version 1.43 firmware there is no mention at all of a rom version just the Tytn2.. I guess that's the WM 6.0 version

Broadcom Bluetooth Stack For X1

Can Anyone Help Me To Find An Working Broadcom Bluetooth Manager Stack For My Xperia?
any wm5+ version would work
I'd suggest you search the forum with those keywords
but to tell you the truth I haven't come across any braodcom stacks
since wm2003SE so not 100% sure there are any but haven't really looked that hard
Out of curiosity, what functionality are you hoping to gain by switching stacks?
will
i tryed hard looking for keywords using google and i have seen many CABs but they didnt work because of the license,
and sonus i think that Broadcom Bluetooth Stack its much more professional than the normal ,i think Broadcom Stack has much more bluetooth plugin`s than the other plus you feel free when using it
so anyone have a idea where i can download it free and it must be for wm 6.1 or 6.5
There was a working cab to change Dell X51v MS BT stack to Broadcom. But you probably need some hacking in order to make it work for other device. Broadcom stack has more profile but also has it's own problems (e.g. system volume control is not working over A2DP). Do a search on TP2 forum (since it's using broadcom stack) and you will find out.
Why would you want a Broadcom stack? I spent 2 months trying to get a Microsoft Stack on my A696 which only supports Broadcom. It was a frustrating and fruitless exercise, though I did manage to get an upgraded version of Broadcom working at one point it didn't work very well and didn't do anything my old version didn't do already. None of the Microsoft ones would run at all though, and I tried just about every trick possible.
With the Microsoft Stack you can use fun things like Bluetooth Mice and Keyboards - something not yet supported by Broadcom stacks. I'd stick with that imho - its quite fun and useful
That search to try to get a bluetooth mouse to work with my A696 PDA is why I'm registered as pdamouse...
Peter
guys
guys i still want that bluetooth stack no matter just any working broadcom bluetooth stack for windows mobile 6.1,
i just love how it works and it gets information ,it has many profiles that are not in the normal bluetooth stack and it provides many options at the same time so pls guys do anyone have any idea where i can find such stack to download it and use it for free?
same question as error man
Hi Guys, is there a good stable bluetooth stack for the TP2? i have lots of issues getting it to work properly with my volvo v70.
sonus said:
Out of curiosity, what functionality are you hoping to gain by switching stacks?
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It might help solve the disconnect issue with WM devices and several handsfree devices.
I just tried one of the WM 6.5 Roms on my Kaiser (TYTN2).
It will still disconnect the headunit in my car (Kenwood DNX8220BT) after a call is finished. I was hoping WM6.5 would improve the Bluetooth stack.
I also have an Experia X1 which is exhibiting the same issue
Mautje said:
It might help solve the disconnect issue with WM devices and several handsfree devices.
I just tried one of the WM 6.5 Roms on my Kaiser (TYTN2).
It will still disconnect the headunit in my car (Kenwood DNX8220BT) after a call is finished. I was hoping WM6.5 would improve the Bluetooth stack.
I also have an Experia X1 which is exhibiting the same issue
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I INSTALL THE BROADCOM STACK and the system dont boot again, i must to make a hard reset.
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With the Microsoft Stack you can use fun things like Bluetooth Mice and Keyboards - something not yet supported by Broadcom stacks. I'd stick with that imho - its quite fun and useful
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Not wanting to came across as a seller, but have you heard of Teksoft BlueInput?
They're almost there!
How do I know this? I'm the one who asked Teksoft to build such a a program!
Been using several HID devices with my MS bluetooth stack WM phones, last years. Even a Logitech diNovo Mini, a "small" keyboard with touchpad.

BlueInput for Broadcom is closing in

BlueInput for Broadcom is closing in
We're happy to announce that Teksoft is just a few weeks away from the release of Blueinput for devices that use the Broadcom Bluetooth stack, including the HTC HD2, HTC Touch Pro 2, Asus, and others.
BlueInput is an advanced HID driver that totally transforms your Pocket PC or Smartphone into the perfect Mobile office solution by offering easy Bluetooth connectivity to Bluetooth Mouses or Keyboards.
http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=press&cat=2010#100203
fantanstic news !
I wanna use it with mouse and keyboard as mobile computer ~
Great News... Can a working version (alpha/beta/demo) be released before next Friday morning?
I leave next Friday evening for a 5 day camp where no laptops are allowed... ordered a BT Keyboard.. and have several BT Mice... would really like to use a BT Mouse on the HD2 as well...
indeed, would be great to have it asap. the news said something about "weeks away". probably it's in testing phase.
about time! hate having paid for the software and not having it working.
hopefully it supports different language/keyboardlayout. thats (beside mouse support) my only problem atm. with bluetooth on the hd2.
anyhow great news mad.
Here's a demo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRXSBcu6WI&feature=player_embedded
showing a bluetooth mogo mouse working with an asus device, that has the Broadcom Stack (like the HD2 does).
looks impressive...
waiting for news
DN41
Still holding my breath too. Teksoftco's web site has everything in place except the download. Sure wish they would put up an expiring demo so we can at least have something.
Teksoft sleeping - confirmation
Ridiculous: Teksoft Broadcomm page is defunct for almost two weeks now. Are they sleeping or what? Does anyone know any details? Where are the beta testers???
Wonder if this will get around the issues with Wiimotes and Playstation Sixaxis remotes...would love to use one of those in FPSECE instead of the bgp100
Nice video showing the possibilities of blueinput. But the HD2 already has integrated bluetooth reception. I have a microsft 6000 series bluetooth keyboard, which is easily recognised by the current bluetooth software on my HD2. The current issue of the bluetooth keyboard is that not all keys are functional in the windows mobile 6.5 software. What is needed, therfore, is software that can reprogram the bluetooth keyboard keys, for more functional use. That will be a milestone for the Hd2. Has anyone heard of this software yet?
So you are saying your M$ 6000 BT mouse pairs properly and works? I have a M$ 5000 and the HD2 sees it but cannot pair with it. It works fine on a laptop.
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So you are saying your M$ 6000 BT mouse pairs properly and works?
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No, he wrote "keyboard", not "mouse". No comment on your reading skills.
To be serious: back to my post on page #1: what about the blueinput software? Where are the beta testers???
Ok, Teksoftco, this thread was started by you on Feb. 5, today is June 24. 5 months seems a bit extreme for a beta test.
Hi,
totally agree with you, 5 month to issue a software is a bit long. Perhaps waiting for people to buy other/recent keyboards ;-)
Anyway, my BK600 would work with my hd2 with that software. Too bad they haven't delivered yet. What do they need developpers ? (i'm one of them , so if they need help... lol )
Anyway in the same vein, i would really like to ask for sources of freedom / Com1 / omiz BK600 to fix the to issue a driver for my hd2 ...
Kind regards,
and still waiting some driver to make my bk600 work on my htc hdé !!!
Ludovic
Don't hold your breath - the software is defunct - not working - major issues.
see my thread : developping bluetooth gateway for bk600
enough to wait for will-be-released drivers, or drivers which are not for my phone.
I'll try to make on myself. If i succedd, it won't cost $15 ^_^
Clearsceeen
BlueInput: BT Keyboard not found
I've downloaded the last/new vesion of BlueInput 1.0.101. But still it can't detect my BT keyboard (HP iPAQ foldable). It detects though my BT mouse - Logitech MX1000 and it works fine, but no any signs by the keybord.
My other BT software on my HD2 detects the keyboard and i've managed to make it work, but its inconvenient to use one program for keyboard and another for mouse.
Has anyone experienced similar problems with iPAQ BT keyboard? It cannot be detected by BlueInput software. These guys need to do some more work before i buy this software.
Bought a cheapo chinese bluetooth mouse a while back for this purpose & have been waiting AGES for Teksoft to get this software running (I guess android has been the priority for them lately).
Works OK on my HD2 3.14 official wwe ROM, although probs encountered whilst on the home screen (weather animation on) or viewing videos. Also doesn't always track screen rotation (Youtube app for one, although does using IE).

Is there anybody can Change/Update BT drivers for TP2

Is there any professional Engeneer can Change/Update BT drivers for TP2 when using handset in Voice Commander?
I want to use BT earphone and hold(lone press) botton to run Voice Commander when driving.But someone said that this problem is because TP2 use this driver "Widcomm BT stack" .If we change to "MS BT stack" may fix this problem.Is that possable?.....
No, this has been discussed by some of the best ROM cooks, and it cannot be done AFAIK. The problem is that the Bluetooth chipset in the Rhodium won't work with the Microsoft Bluetooth stack unless someone can get the proper drivers, which will likely never happen. It's a shame too, many other people also dislike the Widcomm Bluetooth stack because of its poor compatibility with third party products.
Existing discussion on this is here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=558932&highlight=Bluetooth+Stack
Dave

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