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w2003SE vs w5.0

I see that we still have a lot problems with w5 on our beloved blue angels.
Now, my question is: what is a major benefit to go from fast and reliable SE 2003 to W 5.0?
it's sluggish, unstable.
so, why we all upgrading-downgrading our devices up and down, is this a justified action to get a better OS or our desire to try something new?

Something new. :wink:

WM5 is a lot better than WM2003 but the problem is that there is no specefic official version of wm5 for blueangel, so developers reverse engineer other versions of WM5 and the leaked one from MS , to create stable OS. Latest WM5 versions are quite stable. None forces you to try WM5 if you don't like it downgrade and use WM2003

it's not about forcing me or someone to use w5.0, but what's better in this OS, what do you mean by saying better ? speed, stability extra functionality ?

I simply like it better
Its like WinMe vs WinXP

Well said TB. Kinda like, why are people instrested in Windows Vista? Windows XP work dunit? Acuttaly, don't answer that one.

Guys, you are talking very subjectivly:
like-don't like.
win me and win xp is quite dif. OS. Upgrading to XP gives us very stable reliable system with much more functionalities.
I simply like to see what extra features are in wm5, which are not available in SE.
so far we have OS with not 100% working BT, MMS, terrible ActiveSync, poor phone, etc.
I am very grateful to guys workimg on these ROMs, and thank them of course, but my question: is wm5 better than SE at all and what this better stuff is?

COM,
flashing OS takes about 15 mins. So, flash WM5, play with it. U can always go back to WM23.
And Wm5 to Wm2 is not like ME to XP. More like Win2K vs Win2K+service packs.

Well for me its a Me vs XP (My SE kept crashing and crashing, doublesending the same SMS, not sending MMSes at all, freezing when cancelling calls). WM5 drops Bluetooth connections, does strange things with the hw keyboard and works quite slow (I overclocked the CPU to 531MHz, it works... usable). But at least I can use my PHONE as a PHONE.

I agree with TB
I have many problems with 2003SE, 3-4 daily resets, because it hangs, when the battery and backup battery drains out you loose everything(such as in hard reset). I have no such problems with WM5 it is much stable and it is slower than 2003 but in the recent WM5 roms (Ivan's and Tuatara) the speed is improved and stability is much better than 2003SE

I like WM5 because it looks better, and the soft keys are very usefull. and you get to show off the nice and hard work of Mamaich, Tuatara and all others and say that xda-dev kicks ass!!!!

well, from what you are saying: wm5 is more stable !
Thanks, this is an advantage no doubt. let's hope we will soon get the final version from our gurus here.
By the way, should wm5 be a hardware independent OS, like windows XP and portable from one PDA to another?

Better not - due to XP's portability it eats up so much resources :| If you wanna try it yourself - Linux for example compiles (is compiled ) in order to match the HW configuration of the computer, while WindowsXP 'HasItAll, but mostly unusefull for your current hardware' :|

A new OS, which prevents your data from loss even at significant battery discharge, comfortable control without a stylus, improved Office Mobile. Noticeable cosmetic advantages.
...

Will there every be a BA Official WM5 release

no, microsoft made one and distrobuted it to the telecos but it is there decision whether to release it. as far as i can tell they will never do this as it doesn't make buisiness sense, why give a free wm5 update away when if you keep it too yourself people are gonna buy a new phone to get it?

but.. we are keeping our phones anyway hehehehe :twisted:
(that's why we are on this phorum. Anyway..)

Hi,
I am using O2 XDA IIs for more than 8 months. I eagerly waited for the O2 update, as HP had offered to its ipaqs.But it was very disappointing that , instead of giving software updates; o2 started to show new models with Windows Mobile 5.0. I tried even from Microsoft site for upgrades, but that was a futile attempt.Then I finally decided to upgrade from XDA-developres.
You have to understand that major advantafe of WM5 over the Wm2003se is that data is not volatile; so there is no need to backup now and then.Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor. I hope it is helpful.

Kalonian said:
Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor
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WM5 is slower than WM2003SE. WM5 best offering is persistent storage.
It is because it has NAND based rom. So, it doesnt offer XIP

Yes it is a lil slower than 2003 but it hte rom is properly build (Ivan and Tuatara roms) you will find no diference for speed, bu you will find a lot more stability. The CPU is not so important, we see devices with 200 MHz CPU to run WM5 just fine (Prophet and Wizard), of course they have a lil problems with multitasking but thay have only 200 MHz CPU, so you have to expect some lag. Blueangel have more than enough resources to run and operate WM5, we just need a properly tweaked rom for this device.

Noob Question: Got my HD Today

Hey All,
Im back in the game after a couple years off.
I picked up my HD today. (was considering diamond2 or even tpro2 but the HD is the same hardware in a nicer form factor and I can live with the onscreen KB)
its the BLAC120 version, ie, 850/2100 UMTS bands. so i have freedom in AU to chose my telco as well as in the USA.
Now. my question....
i see the hard spl is for blac100 and USPL doesnt seem to work on Windows 7 x64 due to the USB driver not being compatable.
So how do I flash hard spl (if one is avail) or use USPL.
Then
which ROM do you recommend? is miri's rom stable? any major issues (yes there are 600+ posts but cannot read it all).
Or is dutty's v3.4 with wm6.1 a good option?
Radio? these roms above come with the radio packaged? or just the OS? my radio isnt the 900/2100 but instead is the 850/2100.
ANy help will e greatly appreciated.....
current ROM is the Telstra bloatware version... and currently running nothing except Lotus Notes Traveler.
Cheers
JJ

USPL works with the recommended driver fix.

About Roms' i tested both , both are good depends now what you want
Miri's rom have a little more bugs , but it's very good on resources arround 35%
Dutty's rom interface old 6.1 , resources arround 40-45% , with not so many bugs
So now it's u're decision, better try both in 10 min u'll flash both
p.s. roms yes they came with radio package and other programs , you just flash

Hey mate hope I can help (and that i'm right)
I have just recently put hspl on my HD and been flashing quite a few roms.
Most roms do not come with radios, most of Dutty's do come with radios.
I have flashed Dutty's 3.4, Miri v12, MaryONE, and Lost in Asia and each one has been very good although I prefer usability of win 6.5 (New start menu, still has manilla, better finger scrolling in all menu's etc).
As far as Rom's being stable, you will find that most are more than stable enough. The issues I have had with Roms is because i installed a crappy application or something.
The only way to find a rom you like is to keep on flashing, I recommend trying miri's (6.5) to start off with, it gives the latest build (most of the time) and is rather generic. Then try Dutty's(6.1), then decide if you prefer 6.5 or 6.1, then find the roms in that version of win and flash away. It also depends on what apps you want. Start off with the premiums that come with alot of apps, then decide if you use them all or not.
My last advice, is to get the microsoft myphone and sync your data to a server (or use PIMbackup) to backup ur contacts, sms, calander etc. Make sure you test the rom first before installing a whole bunch of apps. IE: restore your data and use the phone for a bit, see if you like it etc. No use spending an hour or so putting ur stuff back on to realize you don't like something about it!
I have flashed so many versions of rom's, it gets quite addictive! Good luck

noob question?!!! wow, after over 1000 posts
anyway the only allowed comparison between ROMs is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516190
any other "comparison" thread is cut short (locked) because almost of all the other parameters for comparison are subjective: what I like you might not, i have certain apps you have others and so on...the only real good advice u got till now is from onlinepredator:
The only way to find a rom you like is to keep on flashing
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keep reading (i always start from the end) a few pages in each thread, try some and you''ll find "the one". good luck!

thanks so far. im assuming miri's ROM doesnt contain a radio.
with USPL, issue im facing is that the USB driver isnt compatable with windows 7 x64. If I can ge this to install then USPL is a breeze.

i flashed my Telstra HD via USPL with Windows 7 x64 using the old driver. Press F8 before Windows 7 boots and disable driver signing to install the old driver and flash your phone. good luck and enjoy your phone!

Noob Question from JJ Best joke today for me, welcome back JJ Black rom coming?

BEST ROM
i use LAURENTIUS V .2.2 2.3 will coming up next
best battery life and more stable;
p.s. i ve tried 3 another ones

Welcome Back Old Mate
Hi old mate,
I laughed my head off when I saw your message about a Noob question. I have always admired your ROMs and installed them on so many devices for myself and my friends alike (I do miss those good old days).
My simple recommendation after trying the HD since its first day of availability.
1) Use HardSPL 1.56 so you can flash from the SD card with the new SPL from HTC.
2) Skip WM 6.1 and go for WM 6.5. I keep switching between Miri's ROMs and PhamQyang's and David's. They are the best. My personal preference is Miri's so far (unless our old friend jasjamming has some wicked plans to cook a better All Black ROM

jasjamming
Nice to see you back!
You might like to check out Sashini
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewforum.php?f=7
It will get your turnaround time on flashing roms down to less than 20mis and allow you to try them all.
Wiki has a lot of good info some maybe to basic for.
Which is best for you is your choice and its subjective, the reason that we (I) am closing threads like this is to keep Development clean and based on Development.

6.5 Roms heating device

sorry if someone already discuss this before, searched and not found. Mod please feel free to close it if it is irrelevant.
Question is on average every ROM 6.5 (dutty, miri, energy) with manilla and no other progs installed heats up the device more on average than the 6.1 based roms (dutty, topix, etc)
This is happening with same radio version - also noted that with 6.5 the battery is lower than with 6.1 based roms.
anyone has this expericence also ?
Txs

nunomax said:
sorry if someone already discuss this before, searched and not found. Mod please feel free to close it if it is irrelevant.
Question is on average every ROM 6.5 (dutty, miri, energy) with manilla and no other progs installed heats up the device more on average than the 6.1 based roms (dutty, topix, etc)
This is happening with same radio version - also noted that with 6.5 the battery is lower than with 6.1 based roms.
anyone has this expericence also ?
Txs
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I noticed the same too... The battery issue I was already aware of (especially with the Energy ROM).

nunomax said:
sorry if someone already discuss this before, searched and not found. Mod please feel free to close it if it is irrelevant.
Question is on average every ROM 6.5 (dutty, miri, energy) with manilla and no other progs installed heats up the device more on average than the 6.1 based roms (dutty, topix, etc)
This is happening with same radio version - also noted that with 6.5 the battery is lower than with 6.1 based roms.
anyone has this expericence also ?
Txs
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Try Onkolog Rom's they r better in terms of battery and performance - Personal experience.

nunomax said:
sorry if someone already discuss this before, searched and not found. Mod please feel free to close it if it is irrelevant.
Question is on average every ROM 6.5 (dutty, miri, energy) with manilla and no other progs installed heats up the device more on average than the 6.1 based roms (dutty, topix, etc)
This is happening with same radio version - also noted that with 6.5 the battery is lower than with 6.1 based roms.
anyone has this expericence also ?
Txs
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JaisonGJI1815 said:
I noticed the same too... The battery issue I was already aware of (especially with the Energy ROM).
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imtiyazee said:
Try Onkolog Rom's they r better in terms of battery and performance - Personal experience.
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Guys ,i have tryed many things for the battery and the best result for me is working with the new radio from Xperia 1.16!
battery not heating anymore ...

definitely. you r right, winmo 6.5 heating device after using 1-2 mins. and leo roms heating even more. btw, topix's rom smoother than onkolog's, even onkologs roms more lightweight than topix. best battery saving is onkolog. - personal experience.

djcedric said:
Guys ,i have tryed many things for the battery and the best result for me is working with the new radio from Xperia 1.16!
battery not heating anymore ...
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If its real then its a great news for many of us, will try right way.

No problems with dutty rom wm6.5 R12

barisahmet said:
definitely. you r right, winmo 6.5 heating device after using 1-2 mins. and leo roms heating even more. btw, topix's rom smoother than onkolog's, even onkologs roms more lightweight than topix. best battery saving is onkolog. - personal experience.
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masrterk said:
No problems with dutty rom wm6.5 R12
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that you are using onkolog,dutty,energy or any other rom,i think with radio 1.14 your device is always heating a lot,if he is asking from battery heating,change your rom is NOT the solution!
Try another radio and the difference is there.

djcedric said:
that you are using onkolog,dutty,energy or any other rom,i think with radio 1.14 your device is always heating a lot,if he is asking from battery heating,change your rom is NOT the solution!
Try another radio and the difference is there.
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nope. changing only the rom is fixing that. its not about radio (i didnt try .16 btw), but rom either affect this much.

barisahmet said:
nope. changing only the rom is fixing that. its not about radio (i didnt try .16 btw), but rom either affect this much.
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if you change your rom and there is a rillphone inside the rom that works fine with your installed radio then your battery is not heating so much anymore thats right!
changing a rom without rillphone inside will change nothing on heating battery.
when i was working with radio 1.14 my device was heating a lot,then i installed the rillphone and battery was not heating so much anymore...now with changing the radio 1.16 my device is not heating anymore,go to the hex edited radios thread and read the comments...

having the same problem
i'm having the same problem
I guess.. the problem has strated when I started using 6.5 roms
if changing the radio could help, can anyone explain how to do it please

seas of tears said:
i'm having the same problem
I guess.. the problem has strated when I started using 6.5 roms
if changing the radio could help, can anyone explain how to do it please
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read this :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466274

I've changed radio and roms with several combinations, this was just to get some feedback from community to understand if the problem was general.
With GPS or 3G enabled any rom/radio will heat the device (6.5 or 6.1), but on a daily usage, replicating mail, answering call, etc with a 6.1 rom (topix in this case) and 1.16 xperia radio I did notice that the device heats sometimes. but with all 6.5 roms I've tested (Miri, Energy) the device is allways hot - even on standby - getting hotter when I start using it.
as stated I was not really looking for a solution, but rather trying to understand if this was a common behavior and if it is, there should be some processes on 6.5 roms that are pushing more for the processor comparing with 6.1 roms
txs all for your feedback
PS: is there any ril cab for 1.16 radio ?

nunomax said:
I've changed radio and roms with several combinations, this was just to get some feedback from community to understand if the problem was general.
With GPS or 3G enabled any rom/radio will heat the device (6.5 or 6.1), but on a daily usage, replicating mail, answering call, etc with a 6.1 rom (topix in this case) and 1.16 xperia radio I did notice that the device heats sometimes. but with all 6.5 roms I've tested (Miri, Energy) the device is allways hot - even on standby - getting hotter when I start using it.
as stated I was not really looking for a solution, but rather trying to understand if this was a common behavior and if it is, there should be some processes on 6.5 roms that are pushing more for the processor comparing with 6.1 roms
txs all for your feedback
PS: is there any ril cab for 1.16 radio ?
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im using energyrom with radio 1.16 and my device is not heating!before when i was on 1.14 and i was using gps or looking at movies my device heating a lot!much more as with radio 1.16 now.the difference is the radio.
no there is no rillphone 1.16 but 1.14 works fine with 1.16 radio.

Guys, you have to understand that 6.5 is ported over blackstone with 6.1 drivers. 6.5 is not supported by htc on blackstone, thus no 6.5 compatible drivers ar being written, this of course will resullt in more battery consumption than 6.1.

And anyone considering changing radios to 1.16, PLEASE READ THE WARNINGS CAREFULLY. YOU NEED TO SECURITY UNLOCK YOUR PHONE. IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS YOU CAN BRICK YOUR PHONE

thanks
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im using energyrom with radio 1.16 and my device is not heating!before when i was on 1.14 and i was using gps or looking at movies my device heating a lot!much more as with radio 1.16 now.the difference is the radio.
no there is no rillphone 1.16 but 1.14 works fine with 1.16 radio.
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thanks... hope that will work
will try it as soon as possible

Im using Energy 6.5 latest room and i can say that my battery life is over 5 days sometimes i forget when exactly i recharge my battery for last and also my phone didn`t heat when i play alot with the phone...

I also noticed that having WiFi on even if the screen is off, is heating the battery.
Once WiFi is turned off, the phone battery does not heat so much.

If wifi is configured for performance, try configuring for battery. usually makes a big difference to me.
Flashing 6.1 roms don't seem to change this setting (stored somewhere in radio nvram?), but i've seen flashing 6.5 reset it to performance at least once.

More Kaiser/Tilt Graphics improvements

I have been reading 1000's of posts on this great site. How was
slow graphics solved on the Kaiser/Tilt? I just searched
another few hours without solutions. Just lots of threads
complaining about the same thing and many ending in getting
other devices, etc, etc...
One of the bigger threads on the issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745&page=109
which indicates there is still confusion and different ideas.
Polyrhythmic makes it sound like there is finally a decent solution
to speed up at least simple 2D drawing operations, including the
user interfaces of normal applications? What is this?
Where is a good solution to this?
polyrhythmic writes-
> Look around you at the 1000s of posts, and try the search button.
> We solved the graphics issue a long time ago.
jet writes-
I have been using the Tilt (original Kaiser) since the day it
came out. I think it is a great device. However, the
BIGGEST COMPLAINT I have always had was the SLOW graphics.
I am still running Windows Mobile 6.0 waiting for a
good / stable ROM to come out by someone with great
graphics performance. There have been some fantastic cooked ROMS
for the device but I have always held off waiting for
something with good graphics drivers in it. Did I miss
something that is worth moving to now that 6.1 and even 6.5
roms are out and about?
I have seen a lot of posts about which roms are best,
etc, etc and why but graphics performance has always been an
issue from what I have seen...
There are so many posts and even entire sites (see
below if interested) about our device and the poor
performance. Is there finally a decent solution to speed up
at least simple 2D drawing operations, including the
user interfaces of normal applications?
Does a good Mobile 6.1 or 6.5 ROM make much difference
in 2D or 3D on the Kaiser vs 6.0? Perhaps that
is the easiest solution to getting good graphics performance??!
Since the Tilt uses the MSM720x chipset and many other
devices use that chipset, has someone finally cooked a
rom for the tilt with good accelerated drivers from another
device yet and that is a good solution?
ALL COMMENTS WELCOME.
Of course good OpenGL ES and D3D acceleration would be great too.
Seems our device by default is only using software mode
Many now say our Kaiser is dead / "obsolete hardware" now and
decent drivers are not worth anyone's trouble.
I'm not sure what I think about this.
I understand there have been a million posts
and lots of threads like:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745&page=109
and even
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080717_1
which seems to have ended over a year ago.
Perhaps that was when someone found a way of enabling
OpenGL ES on Android? Either way, can someone make some comments
on what they think?

Is this what you wanted?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409191&highlight=Hardware+graphics+acceleration
cab in 1st post.

rom
download a new rom and just update everything its well worth it, the graphics cab will be included if the cook is worth anything..
I personally like shifu's roms there awesome. I'm using his 6.5 rom, but it seems he devs his 6.1 roms much more.. go grab one. you'll also get much more ram..

Final kasier 2d and 3d performance
Thanks for the input. The thread you mention links back to the site I
mentioned: www.htcclassaction.org.
Polyrhythmic says they solved the slow graphics a long time ago.
What is he talking about?
I have seen many times:
"These drivers do not accelerate video playback. These drivers do not accelerate normal Windows operation. Some of you have asked if we have abandoned accelerated 2D. We have not, it may still come. The simple fact is, that in this particular case, it was easier to work with the 3D drivers first"
Did decent/working/somewhat-finished 2D and 3D ever come to the kaiser?
It has the right hardware but no drivers. Seems they hacked on some but
never finished and abondoned the project, or am I wrong?
Perhaps someone solved the slow graphics another way? What was that?
Btw, thanks for the rom comments too. Always interested in
what the latest have. Also still hear Dutty made some of the all
time best for the device. Perhaps that is not true anymore?
Please link me to your current favorite 6.1 and 6.5 roms
with stability and graphics performance in mind. Love to hear why they
are your current favorites as well. I find the many roms incredible.

The video speed issue was never truely resolved, there are some drivers out that help with some 3D, but I think that's only for certain applications. The Tilt still runs very slow.

tyler51773 said:
I personally like shifu's roms there awesome. I'm using his 6.5 rom, but it seems he devs his 6.1 roms much more.. go grab one. you'll also get much more ram..
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I'm using a Shifu 6.5 ROM. Pretty darn good imo.
But are you saying that there seems to be better performance with his 6.1 ROMs?
Thanks!

I have no idea. I've never tried his 6.1 rom, I was extremely pleased with his 6.5 and my rom is beefy customed now..
I have stuck with 6.5 because I am extremely happy with the performance. Seriously, i could say that my phone ruined my life cause I spent so much time on it (I'm joking). I can't get better than shifu's rom. Maybe there is one. But I tried quite a few and they where all better than stock, but shifu's seem to be the #1. I'm not sure if I tried TPC yet, and the new 6.5.3 has me raizing an eyebrow. I'm going to hold off from flashing for a while. I'd be sold if I heard of some voip improvements, i.e. the rtp ports don't behave right and that means the most I can have is 1 line (which sucks if I'm leaving a voicemail, and that same person calls me while im leaving it - call, call back, call call back is a process that gets on ppl's nerves). I'm running his v3, or v2 of his 6.5 rom. I have too much invested in it too just to flash up (lots of apps installed, a bunch of reg customs).. My voip is crystal clear, the volume is loud, you can hear a pindrop over the voice and I can take good cam videos. The android is getting there as soon as they fix the mic for real I'll have a working android phone. My active sync works perfect w/ google, so I have a calender service and push email. I'm saving a ton of money being on prepaid, having gizmo5 + google voice. My sms works via active sync and google voice so I have free sms (just alot easier to reply, than it is to start one, if I'm going to go through active sync). If not I just goto the browser where my default page is google voice.. The roms have all these speed tweaks like page pools, and stuff, not to mention video drivers soo its not just video drivers.. My rom is stable and fast and it doesn't freeze. I have pretty good battery life if the wifi is off, and I can get maybe 4-6 hours with it on. I just noticed that when I first got my 6.5 rom from shifu he kept updating the 6.1 roms and those version numbers have incremented much faster than his 6.5 his last release was about a month ago. His roms are damn good. I actually bought him a beer last night, and I don't buy people beer very often. The only other person to get anything out of me was cmonex cause she totally unlocked my bricked kaiser over irc she got a little more than a beer..

I've tried a few 6.5 roms and was about to go back to 6.1 (fone issues) when I ran across sakajati's HyperDragon IV Mega 6.5 CE OS 5.2.23081 Build 23081.5.3.0
It works fantastic!

Fastest rom/tips for speed

Hello,
I have developed the barebones android build for the kaiser but now I want WM to add more up time for my phone due to a new job. I have Phoenix 3.1 on the phone right no with NeoS' driver pack and this phone runs damn slow. My old ppc6700 ran much faster in 6.5 . So I ask, what build runs the fastest and what can I do to make the 2D not lag to **** when im scrolling.

hey you !!! why do not you try this, maybe these little application could solve the problem on your device....