Probably a stupid question, but that's sort of what this forum's for i suppose. I've got a new class 6 card winging its way to me. I'm not overly fussed about a2sd, but want to set up a linux swap partition on my phone to make hero/eclair roms run a little less frustratingly. i've got the latest amon ra recovery and can see on there that i can partition direct from the phone in a couple of clicks. can i set up swap without an ext2/3/4 bit or is it an all or nothing situation? because i tend to switch roms from various nandroid backups i've got saved, i don't want the apps to go all screwy. and what is a good swap size. too big can slow it down, right?
Sorry if it's been covered many many times before.
Alphabet Soap said:
Probably a stupid question, but that's sort of what this forum's for i suppose. I've got a new class 6 card winging its way to me. I'm not overly fussed about a2sd, but want to set up a linux swap partition on my phone to make hero/eclair roms run a little less frustratingly. i've got the latest amon ra recovery and can see on there that i can partition direct from the phone in a couple of clicks. can i set up swap without an ext2/3/4 bit or is it an all or nothing situation? because i tend to switch roms from various nandroid backups i've got saved, i don't want the apps to go all screwy. and what is a good swap size. too big can slow it down, right?
Sorry if it's been covered many many times before.
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When it asks for the ext size just scroll to 0.
The apps shouldn't get screwy, but sometimes they do. I went back to a cyan once and phone would force close after restoring, but that was only one time
For Hero/eclair I suggest 64-96mb
cheers
seems sensible enough. thanks. If i were to set up an ext partition, whack my apps on there and then change from, say, super d to hero, would the world go crazy? be it flashing an update.zip or restoring from nandroid?
ahh, just realised the answer myself
nandroid backup + ext for each image i'm keeping, wipe everything, restore...
Alphabet Soap said:
seems sensible enough. thanks. If i were to set up an ext partition, whack my apps on there and then change from, say, super d to hero, would the world go crazy? be it flashing an update.zip or restoring from nandroid?
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You couldn't, hero requires you to wipe everything each time you flash it. Even when going from hero to hero.
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I once had apps2sd so I had some sort of partition scheme going on. I don't really remember as this was months ago and I have since stopped using apps2sd, but still have the partition there.
What command can I run on the terminal that will wipe the entire (all partitions) SD card so that I can start from scratch and re-partition for when I load up Cyanogen's ROM?
Thanks in advance.
** Also, I have been out of the loop for a little while, I have a 8gb class 6 sdcard. What ext should I go with when running Cyanogen's ROMs? 2/3/4?
Just use the format sd card option on the phone if your just wanting to wipe your card.
I have my card set up with ext3.
So using that will wipe all partitions?
Yea. But if you got apps2sd running right now your phone prolly won't work right after you wipe the card.
I don't so I should be fine. Thanks!
Oh, in your opinion, what is the easiest way to partition the card? There are so many methods.
Me personally, I like to use Ubuntu. Theres a tuturial in my sig if you've never tried it.
I will keep that bookmarked.
WHat if I have to do it on my phone?
You mean without a pc all together.
Well, I can try ADB, but I don't think it's set up on my machine properly. So yes, strictly on the phone.
Minker17 said:
I don't so I should be fine. Thanks!
Oh, in your opinion, what is the easiest way to partition the card? There are so many methods.
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In my opinion, this is the best way. No offense to supreme of course but I can literally open up this tutorial and have my card partitioned in less than a minute. The cool thing is you can do it both from terminal or adb if you don't want to deal with the small buttons on the phone and you don't have to remove your card from your phone.
I just used it an hour ago as a matter of fact!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714
Gentleman. Thank you very much. I'll give it a go.
DirectMatrix said:
In my opinion, this is the best way. No offense to supreme of course but I can literally open up this tutorial and have my card partitioned in less than a minute. The cool thing is you can do it both from terminal or adb if you don't want to deal with the small buttons on the phone and you don't have to remove your card from your phone.
I just used it an hour ago as a matter of fact!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714
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Dam it DirectMatrix you S.O.B.
LOL. J/K. I'm just stuck on using Ubuntu. But that is another easy way.
That seems to have worked just fine!
Again, many many thanks! I've been running an old Roger's build just for exchange. I've been sitting with it just because I'm lazy, but with Cyanogen's 4.0 out, it was time to get off my lazy ass!
Cool glad it worked. But yea I'm on that boat too. Just to lazy sometimes.
Ok Guys, new to this site, hopefully y'all can help me out.
I recently rooted my G1, Installed the latest Cyanogen (4.7.2.1) and installed a theme ( Marks Theme). I dont have very many apps cause I didnt want to bog down the phone memory.....
I love the set up but it started running slower even after I started running the over clocker widget.
My phone is only showing 14.18 MB of free internal memory. I went through my applications installed and can only find around 25 MB being used from all installed apps ( including browser and messaging etc.)
I even tried to do a factory reset ( by going through the settings) and the factory reset is not working. It changed nothing.
Is there something that Im missing? I feel like I should have much more free memory.
I love the way my phone works and the set up, I just wish it had more free memory so that it would run faster.
Ive thought about doing the Apps2SD but I feel like I chould have much more memory on my phone even before doing something like that.
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!
This is a question, and as such belongs in the Q&A section. You'll receive a better response to such things there.
The internal memory you're referring to is your /system partition.
It is where the entire OS is stored, basically. Which takes up, in your case, a whopping 55 MB (out of 70 MB).
If you //really// want more room, follow the Apps-2-SD tutorials out there. You'll get /plenty/ of space.
You could always upgrade to the new amon ra and then let it partition the sd card for you.Then you can have all that free phone storage for whatever it is.Bext time just try to restrict yourself from posting in wrong section
-Best regards
IConrad01 said:
This is a question, and as such belongs in the Q&A section. You'll receive a better response to such things there.
The internal memory you're referring to is your /system partition.
It is where the entire OS is stored, basically. Which takes up, in your case, a whopping 55 MB (out of 70 MB).
If you //really// want more room, follow the Apps-2-SD tutorials out there. You'll get /plenty/ of space.
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Thank you for the quick response. Is there a way to move this thread?
Also is there a better ROM that will take up less memory? I like this version but obviously it is wayy to large.
Anyone else running cyanogen 4.7.2.1 having this issue?
Most people using the Cyanogen ROM also utilize A2SD. Partition your SD card and you'll get more room.
pewterwest said:
Anyone else running cyanogen 4.7.2.1 having this issue?
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There is no issue, you just don't have an ext partition ergo, all applications are installed to your phone which is why you have low phone memory.
pewterwest said:
Thank you for the quick response. Is there a way to move this thread?
Also is there a better ROM that will take up less memory? I like this version but obviously it is wayy to large.
Anyone else running cyanogen 4.7.2.1 having this issue?
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Hello! app2SD will put the apps to ext...Then you will have more memory, why do you think people use it? To save even more money on geico?
Go here for the amon recovery...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669
Hi, first of this has nothing to do with development, should be in Q&A. Please remember for next time
OK, when you're on a custom ROM, don't use factory reset. Instead boot in to the recovery image and perform a wipe from there, and that's exactly what I'd suggest. Be prepared to loose everything stored on the phones memory, but you can use a backup app from the market for that... No you really should way more space than that, I can't really explain why...
IConrad01 said:
This is a question, and as such belongs in the Q&A section. You'll receive a better response to such things there.
The internal memory you're referring to is your /system partition.
It is where the entire OS is stored, basically. Which takes up, in your case, a whopping 55 MB (out of 70 MB).
If you //really// want more room, follow the Apps-2-SD tutorials out there. You'll get /plenty/ of space.
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The phone has two main partitions: /system and /data. It isn't /system that's filling up, it's /data (which makes sense...). The phone can't write to /system when it's unrooted, so it's not possible to store files there...
Everyone is trying to help but for a noob it can be a bit too much...4.2.7.1 is the best Rom available so keep that....RA Recovery is the best way to set up your memory card to accept your apps and keep them there freeing up a ton of space on the phone....simple way to fix is....Just format you sdcard with EXT3 using the RA-recovery v1.5.1 then once your card is formatted just reboot and Cyanogen's rom will move all the apps for you.....will not need to wipe any info on the phone that way...done it many times......Pm me if you need help!!!!
EDIT:
some threads to help:
Ra - Recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669
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[REF] manual partition of sdcard w/parted,goto ext3/4 from adb. no liveCD req'd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714
Young Money. Cash Money.
(partition sd card)
The non rooted standard T-Mobile rom is about the same size and will give you about the same amount of free space. There could be a more barebones rom but I think it's just a lot easier to run Apps2SD then to create a rom that might get you an extra 10mb of internal space. This is the fault of the internal memory on the phone being small. The only way to fix that is getting Apps2sd running which if you make a partion of 100mb should be enough to install all the apps you need. Getting a larger SD card for $10 is also another option so you wont have 1/10th of your sd cards storage gone.
djdarkknight96 said:
Everyone is trying to help but for a noob it can be a bit too much...4.2.7.1 is the best Rom available so keep that....RA Recovery is the best way to set up your memory card to accept your apps and keep them there freeing up a ton of space on the phone....simple way to fix is....Just format you sdcard with EXT3 using the RA-recovery v1.5.1 then once your card is formatted just reboot and Cyanogen's rom will move all the apps for you.....will not need to wipe any info on the phone that way...done it many times......Pm me if you need help!!!!
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some threads to help:
Ra - Recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669
OR-
[REF] manual partition of sdcard w/parted,goto ext3/4 from adb. no liveCD req'd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714
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Guys thank you very much for your help..... i partioned my sd and now i have 58.8 MB free on internal.... you guys are great.
Is there anything else i can do besides rooting, apps2sd and overclocker to make even faster?
pewterwest said:
Guys thank you very much for your help..... i partioned my sd and now i have 58.8 MB free on internal.... you guys are great.
Is there anything else i can do besides rooting, apps2sd and overclocker to make even faster?
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You can always try different roms. CM is good and fast, but maybe try dwang 1.13 or Wesgarner version. wg is based on CM. I find it faster and more stable but this is just my opinion. if you back everything up with nandroid and some app like mybackup, you can flash all you want. you'll be able to get everything back with a nandroid/mybackup restore. try different stuff out and figure out what you like!
first of all, I'm rooted and know what I'm doing.
after showing my friend, who also wants to root her g1.
she's not very tech savy so of course I'm doing it for her.
I'd like to know if there is a rom that doesn't have any of the features like terminal.
just the cosmetic feature like 5 home screens and stuff like that?
it's probably be best if I can just disable all root permission.
any way to do that?
also: Definitely no Apps to SD, I know roms do that automatically now but I'm not gonna try to explain partitioning, and I'm definitely not telling about starting up the recovery screen to give them the chance to wipe, partition or any of that stuff.
Enom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
Super-D:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613809
Wes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592466
All donuts, I don't wanna recommend a hero since your friend would most likely use the KB on home. And the 2.1 hero might not be fast enough for them. Not sure if they would want eclair:
Open eclair:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
King:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622170
Why not just uninstall the terminal once the rom is installed . With no root permissions your friend can't overclock and such :U
So what would be the point again for your friend to have a rooted phone if she doesnt want to be more involved with it? not to sound like youre getting married with it but it would help both of you out a lot if she explored and learned more about The Brute(G1)
hate to say it, but if she isn't tech savy rooting isn't for her
Put amon ras recovery and super d 1.9.2. Partition her card for her and be done with it.
She does not need root from what you said, its like a oxymoron.
@ace42 thanks. I'll stick with a 1.6, the 2.x roms aren't very stable yet. probably super d cause it's fastest and it's what I'm using now.
@protomanez ok, I wasn't aware that I can uninstall the apps like terminal. this helps so much.
@ everbody else: non tech-savy people always want things to work better but they never really understand how it works. I try to explain these thing, but it doesn't help
I also heard that for the roms that do use apps to sd, I can simply not have an ext2 partition and the rom will work normally (with very limited app storage space of course).
do the different roms leave you with different amounts of free space left? I don't really know about that since I've always used appstosd with my 8gig card but she's using a 2gig so I'd hate to partition it.
swee08315 said:
do the different roms leave you with different amounts of free space left? I don't really know about that since I've always used appstosd with my 8gig card but she's using a 2gig so I'd hate to partition it.
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Pretty sure they do need to be partitioned with ext2. Requirements are requirements can't do anything about it mate.
then I suppose I should do enom since that one says ext partition is optional.\
thanks
Is it possible to flash Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions and then flash a Nand backup instead of flashing the rom and starting from scratch???
I'm thinking of using Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions but i dont want to go through the hassle of reinstalling all my apps and restoring all my setting to what they currently are.
I'm running aospCMod 2.3.3 GB (3/26/'11) on CDMA Hero
thanks for any help and responses!
Restoring your nand backup with standard partitions won't work after creating firerat's custom partitions. I don't think they will, anyway. You can try it. More than likely the nandroid restore won't work (might tell you there's not enough space in one of the partitions) or it won't fully boot, and you'll have to start from scratch.
Titanium Backup makes this process pretty painless, minus the clicking install, install, install... it even saves app settings and preserves Market links.
illdourmum said:
Is it possible to flash Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions and then flash a Nand backup instead of flashing the rom and starting from scratch???
I'm thinking of using Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions but i dont want to go through the hassle of reinstalling all my apps and restoring all my setting to what they currently are.
I'm running aospCMod 2.3.3 GB (3/26/'11) on CDMA Hero
thanks for any help and responses!
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You can restore a nand backup if the new partitions have enough space. I will do this if I'm shrinking my system partition to accommodate a smaller ROM that I had already flashed. I haven't noticed any issue when doing it. Just follow the steps, and make sure your partitions are in line with what you need.
thanks for your reply!
I'll wait till a new realease of aospCMod is out then i'll try it out.
illdourmum said:
thanks for your reply!
I'll wait till a new realease of aospCMod is out then i'll try it out.
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No problem. I'm running aospCMod. I had my partitions set at 130 10. I set them a bit conservative to allow for all the updates that were coming out. Since we haven't gotten an update since 3/26, and I was suffering serious flash withdrawals, I nanded my 3/26 install, then reflashed new partitions of 90 4, then restored my back up. 90 4 is still a bit conservative, and you can probably go to 72 2 depending on the size of the GAAPs and tweaks you flash with the rom.
Enjoy the mod, the increased data size is incredible.
illdourmum said:
Is it possible to flash Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions and then flash a Nand backup instead of flashing the rom and starting from scratch???
I'm thinking of using Firerat's Custom MTD Partitions but i dont want to go through the hassle of reinstalling all my apps and restoring all my setting to what they currently are.
I'm running aospCMod 2.3.3 GB (3/26/'11) on CDMA Hero
thanks for any help and responses!
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And just a word of warning make sure you have atleast a class 6 sd card. Someone told me itll work with any class (i had a class 2) and eventually re flashing the MTD boot killed my sd card. Soooo just throwing my 2 cents out there. Its a great method though =]
Sounds like a bad SD card or something, mod has (or shouldn't..) absolutely no effect on your card at all.
stayclean said:
Sounds like a bad SD card or something, mod has (or shouldn't..) absolutely no effect on your card at all.
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Really now? Cause i heard it could effect that.
Which doesnt make sense cause it uses internel space. I guess Partioting would effect it but thats different. Perhaps youre right. Ill look into it =]
The OP of the Firerat thread explains what it does even. Doesn't do anything to the sd card. Or shouldn't. Have used it many times since the summer with absolutely no ill effect.
stayclean said:
The OP of the Firerat thread explains what it does even. Doesn't do anything to the sd card. Or shouldn't. Have used it many times since the summer with absolutely no ill effect.
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Ill give you a thanks on your meter man, i appreciate taking the time for noobs =]
808Bill said:
No problem. I'm running aospCMod. I had my partitions set at 130 10. I set them a bit conservative to allow for all the updates that were coming out. Since we haven't gotten an update since 3/26, and I was suffering serious flash withdrawals, I nanded my 3/26 install, then reflashed new partitions of 90 4, then restored my back up. 90 4 is still a bit conservative, and you can probably go to 72 2 depending on the size of the GAAPs and tweaks you flash with the rom.
Enjoy the mod, the increased data size is incredible.
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What do the numbers in the text file mean? mine is set to the OP settings of "102 2".
illdourmum said:
What do the numbers in the text file mean? mine is set to the OP settings of "102 2".
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The first number specifies the size (in MB) to make the system partition. The second number specifies the size (in MB) to make the cache partition. Taking into account the size of all other partitions (bootloader, boot, recovery, misc), any leftover space after that is pushed into the data partition.
So your resulting data partition will be (The default size of the data partition + the size shrunk from the system partition + the size shrunk from the cache partition).
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Sent from my HTC Hero CDMA using Tapatalk
So I made a Nand Backup, Flashed FR's Mod 1.5.3 set to 105 5, then restored the Nand and flashed the FR_boot.zip and it WORKED!!!
this is AMAZING... now i have a total of 368MB of internal memory (233MB free)
Thanks for the help guys!!!!
I just joined the firerat bandwagon, it's kinda cool
jasonmaloney said:
The first number specifies the size (in MB) to make the system partition. The second number specifies the size (in MB) to make the cache partition. Taking into account the size of all other partitions (bootloader, boot, recovery, misc), any leftover space after that is pushed into the data partition.
So your resulting data partition will be (The default size of the data partition + the size shrunk from the system partition + the size shrunk from the cache partition).
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In your opinion should i leave those number as they are, or isthere a benefit by changing them. Especially if i dont know exactly what changing those numbers would do haha
davidevan said:
In your opinion should i leave those number as they are, or isthere a benefit by changing them. Especially if i dont know exactly what changing those numbers would do haha
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what i did to determine the numbers was check the size of /system in my latest Nand backup and gave it some extra head room.
i may change it again to a larger number as i feel that i didnt provide enough of this "head room" for /system
illdourmum said:
what i did to determine the numbers was check the size of /system in my latest Nand backup and gave it some extra head room.
i may change it again to a larger number as i feel that i didnt provide enough of this "head room" for /system
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cool man, ill probably fiddle with it myself. If you come to good Partioning size, please do tell. id be curious to know what you use =]
davidevan said:
cool man, ill probably fiddle with it myself. If you come to good Partioning size, please do tell. id be curious to know what you use =]
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once i get home from school, i'll be playing around with the settings some more. i'll let you know what happens. but i would suggest you take a second opinion as i'm just a novice at this and just jumped on the FireRat's Mod bandwagon myself.
Oh of course. ive been using for about a month maybe? i just like everyones views and different experiences
Does anyone out there know what causes 4EXT CWM and Amon Ra all (with custom tools) all to fail in regards to seeing a formatted cache partition on EXT-2.
I have DONE EVERYTHING I can possibly think of, from using Gpart in Ubuntu, to the phone itself. Many times in the past I have made it would just leave my 2 Gig cache partition empty because NOTHING works EVER!...
Did I miss something, can you even have 4 separate functional partitions with the Nexus 1 ?
The closest I have come to something really functional is with 4EXT, it seems to go through all the stages but when I check alignment I only get the first 2 partitions (fat-32 and EXT-1) EXT-2 says it is unformatted for some odd reason! This has been performed using a full card wipe on an external source. Even still everything is seems to go as planned until I check the card. With 4EXT I attempt to force a ext3 or 4 format and it restarts the recovery ! When I check A2SDGUI it says I only have 15 megabytes for cache.
I have used black rose and set it to 220/15/201 (dla5244), tried the latest versions of 4EXT and wasted many hours before posting...
CAN ANYONE HELP !!
Download SD Formatter from here, run the program and choose under Options:
FORMAT TYPE: FULL (OverWrite)
FORMAT SIZE ADJUSTMENT: ON
This will format your µSD (be sure to backup your important stuff). When finished, try to make an ext4 partition with 4EXT recovery. You only need one ext4 partition (so no 2nd) and no swap.
Thank you for the fast response but I have tried that. Except I want this phone to work optimally and I have figured everything else out so it is hard to settle for mediocrity. I mean I know that 1 SD-EXT partition works... Even 1 + fat32 and SWAP but I can NEVER have the phone identify the SD-EXT2 partition... no matter what... In partition magic (terrabyte bootit) and of course Gpart in Ubuntu all indicate that everything is great. Except the phone doesn't use the partition and like I was saying before the 4EXT shows it as unformatted after it's format. When I force a format on the partition the software reboots !?!... And if I leave it claiming it's unformatted even though we may think it is, QND's MIUI can only see 15 megabyte cache partition !
But then why not just go back to stock roms and one partition? To your point it's hard to step back and use something less inclined for performance when it should work ? no ?
I know I am a NOOB BUT I also know that it seems like no one out there can offer CLOSURE on the matter. like "ohh that's because the N1 cannot identify a EXT2 partition" or "ohh... that's your SD card's fault it isn't aligned right etc."
I mean I can see others have had this problem and gave up, I don't want to give up unless it is a limitation of the hardware (?sd card?)
Another way to look at it is although beautiful and helpful for most... 4EXT should be focused on getting that to work, I would think... To your point everyone is confused and shouldn't have more than 2 partitions ? Doesn't seem right to me.
Anyways if you have any other ideas OR anyone else can think of a solution lets do it I want to invest time into this and make it work !!
Sincerely! !
Why should you have more than 2 partitions on your µSD? 1 fat32 for your pictures and videos and stuff, and if you don't have enough space for your apps, 1 ext4 for A2SD (maximum 1GB).
Swap is not necessary and in fact slows your system down. A thread about swap is somewere to be found here.
And why the 2GB cache partition? You already have a 15MB cache partition on your phone.. 220/15/201.
You really don't need more than 2 partitions on your µSD.
?
I am willing to accept that you are right that it isn't needed. But I am not using A2SD, I am using XPART. According to the guides I am read, the best way is with 3 or 4 partitions (Swap being the option). The Cache partition on the other hand makes sense because even with titanium backup I can see my 60 or so apps are storing a couple hundred megs in cache. So this way a dedicated partition for processing things once instead of multiple times would provide the fastest solution. Being that the n1 is not the top performer anymore (still my fave though ), any extra speed should help when I am using my phone day to day.
The QND MIUI mod by jbbandos has the following about XPART :
"You can use it with one FAT32 and one ext4 partition, as A2SD, which seems to be the more stable setup, but the recommended setup for speed is one FAT32, one large ext4 (for your data partition), one smaller ext4 (cache), and a swap partition. I'm not that much of a fan of a swap partition, as I am always afraid it will wear out the SD card precociously, but most people report it working well, and I prefer the single ext4 for stability, but YMMV. "
you can read more here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084726
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Anyways that is what I want, and I will invest the time to get it. I believe that 4EXT is primarily in development to perform this function. But I have a problem, with the results. I realize that it may not be necessary but I would like to know the WHY as to why this doesn't work.
AS ALWAYS thank you for you help none the less..
Never used XPART, I didn't know they recommend this. I never used apps to ext scripts longer than a few days.
This is because I'd rather install 10 crappy apps less, than having a slower system. Then again, if I would use an apps to ext script, I would definitely go for stability .
Unfortunately I don't know what you could do now..
I found my previous QND build with XPROT using blackrose was good for like 7 months !!! I just wanted to update and get it working properly. I would HIGHLY recommend it as you phone sees like 1 gig of internal mem so all apps that have widgets are useful and don't need to go to SD. In my opinion it was more stable than stock !!! Honestly, great tool.
OH yeah and it is also much faster I have found !