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Here is how it works:
* not the display but the surface under the display of HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch Pro and other compatible phones from HTC - is actually a capacitive touch-area with multi-touch
* by now this surface is used mainly for "wheel" gestures for example to zoom-in/out (see our article about zooming with wheel in HTC Touch Diamond) or to fast-forward in player etc., and the multi-touch-ness of this surface is not used, but since it works (as seen above) HTC could implement "finger pinching gesture" and "finger spreading gesture" - for zooming for example. One could also implement "2 finger moving" for panning gesture for example too. One is for sure: it is supported in hardware and software can read it
* HTC previously already was revealing that the area under display is a capacitive touch-area, but nothing was mentioned about multi-touch - not all capacitive touch-areas are multi-touch at the same time!
* note: latest subnotebooks (netbooks) Eee PC from Asus have multi-touch touch-pad and no display with multi-touch but they use several multi-touch gestures (which work!) - what proves that HTC could do similar thing with multi-touch support in HTC Touch Diamond and HTC Touch Pro
* to try it yourself download ZIP file here and use file NavDbgTool.exe from it
* you can see this multi-touch in action on a video here
Commentary: we think that it would be huge mistake of Microsoft not to include support for multi-touch in Windows Mobile 7. Now that Apple iPhone and iPhone 3G support multi-touch and many applications that take advantage of it have been released, it is obvious that no modern smartphone platform can get away without multi-touch. The fact that existing phones support multi-touch, albeit not in the display, shows that it is feasible in Windows Mobile too.
We have another thing to play beside the light sensor and the tilt sensor..
Source: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7580.html
Just saw this on another forum....
Indeed, its great news, cant wait till we can enjoy this function along with Android....
Nice, but please use the search! We all know this since a few weeks, because we all talked about it in a few threads here on xda-devs.
Amazing
That is amazing. I wonder why the hell would HTC _not_ present this as another innovation. I've seen times and times again companies brag about "virtual" features that were never actually there (the "GPS" without GPS hardware of the first iPhone comes to mind), but rarely does one see a company implement such a great feature (such as multitouch) and don't even talk about it.
So is there an API for this?
this is great news
Multi touch is possible on the diamond
Check out this youtube link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
Multi touch but not where you'd expect it to work.
Diamond Multi Touch
Found this on Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/20/htcs-touch-diamond-pro-are-multi-touch-gods-just-not-how-you/
COOL!
Come on chefs... cook us up a multi touch ROM
Lovely,we now have 3 threads on this, all still visible on the main page. Can't we just use the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418936
would work wonderfully with WM7, which also has multi-touch features, and also supports phones as low as the HTC touch dual, which has a 400MHz with 128RAM, while the HTC Diamond a 528MHz with 192RAM.
Great news!
dreaming right now of that WM7 cooked HTC Diamond TF3D ROM
Great find, thanks!
Merged everything!
does this work on the front screen of the diamond
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Interesting. So the whole area with the hardware buttons is touch sensitive! That could be useful.
This could be really useful, but it isn't "real" multi touch.
Using the test tool, you'll notice that it's 3 separate touch areas - the left side, the right side, and the scroll wheel.
For instance, you can't touch twice on the left hand side of the screen.
I can see some pretty useful features where you can use the main touch screen, and the touch areas at the bottom independantly at the same time though.
karios said:
That is amazing. I wonder why the hell would HTC _not_ present this as another innovation. I've seen times and times again companies brag about "virtual" features that were never actually there (the "GPS" without GPS hardware of the first iPhone comes to mind), but rarely does one see a company implement such a great feature (such as multitouch) and don't even talk about it.
So is there an API for this?
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Well. The GPS wihtout GPS has been working on any GSM phone for quite a while. Has nothing at all to do with the Fruit Phone my friend. It uses triangulation of GPS transceivers to give you a rough localization. So there. Fruit did not invent that. It's been built into Google maps since a few versions back.
now everything we need is an app to configure gestures, so that we can use this new feature of our jewel in everyday use. Any news about that?
I know that Diamond has "multi-touch" pad since a long time as I implemented this feature in my TouchXperience UI, but I didn't know there would be so much enthusiasm about it!
In fact, it is not really multi-touch, the whole control pad is divided in different sensitive zones (left, right, middle, navigation scroll and center pad), each zone is controlled individually and you can get finger position simultaneously on left/right part of the control pad and on the navigation scroll.
For those who didn't see it yet, I realized some videos demonstrating the use of Diamond sensitive pad in TouchXperience: www.touchxperience.com
But I didn't use "multi-touch" because I thought the interest of using two fingers on a so small surface is very limited and not so convenient... But maybe you could convince me of the contrary with some useful applications of multi-touch and I could work on it.
Engadget claims that the front screen is also multi-touch capable:
Even more interesting is the way that the handsets' entire front, capacitive surface (not just the 2.8-inch, 640 x 480 pixel display) can be used for multi-finger input.
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i hope that we will convice you schaps to create a small application for multitouch in order to map some HW buttons which are missing on the Diamond (e.g - up-down can be associated with the "old" Button 2 or 3, etc...)
For me this is the real disadvantage of the Diamond - doesn't have HW keys
I really need some HW keys because now i have applications and games which i cannot use them without HW keys
I wonder if we could find source code for the debugging tools. Use of the multitouch capacitive area would be great for so many applications.
Is it me that has really fat fingers or is the diamond thats like impossible to write on? I often have to rewrite words.. really annoying.. Im not comparing it to iphone but when i tried the iphone you never missed a letter.. and often with the diamond if i want like ? and have to press and hold it releases itself so yet again i have to delete and try again .
Is there a fix for this to get?
It is possible for me to use my fingers. Keep in mind that the iPhone has a 3.5" screen and the HTC only have 2.8"!
A solution could be the tilt the HTC so the keyboard is on the long side - here the keys are a bit larger. (gsen program to do that)
/Michael
I have just got the diamond (XDA Ignito) and have to admit the on screen keyboard will take some getting used to after my XDA Exec physical keyboard but could anyone tell me how to use the QWERTY on screen keyboard in landscape mode as that might improve my accuracy somewhat?
if you use the phone keypad, its a hell of a lot more reponsive than the artemis, the cruise or iphone, best touch sensitivity ive come across
patterns said:
if you use the phone keypad, its a hell of a lot more reponsive than the artemis, the cruise or iphone, best touch sensitivity ive come across
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Same here, using the SIP utility found on this board to have it set to phone keypad when the stylus is in the device, and full QWERTY when it's out. The Full QWERTY without using the stylus is just too frustrating.
This tool will allow you to rotate the diamond in all applications incl. messages and then the keyboard will follow to landscape mode.
Allows you to rotate the screen between portrait and landscape mode
http://htc-diamond.sosref.com/download/Gsen_1.5.cab
/Michael
BDWN said:
Same here, using the SIP utility found on this board to have it set to phone keypad when the stylus is in the device, and full QWERTY when it's out. The Full QWERTY without using the stylus is just too frustrating.
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What's the utility called? I've been looking for something that can do that!
Here is a link to the SIP discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414422
/Michael
mhfalken said:
Here is a link to the SIP discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414422
/Michael
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Thanks for the help but that SIP doesnt work for me, it says that it cant start the sip. Is there any other?
mhfalken said:
This tool will allow you to rotate the diamond in all applications incl. messages and then the keyboard will follow to landscape mode.
Allows you to rotate the screen between portrait and landscape mode
http://htc-diamond.sosref.com/download/Gsen_1.5.cab
/Michael
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Follow this thread for more info and the latest version.
I have very small fingers, so I use the regular (small qwerty) keyboard option in portrait, just with my fingers. No need for me for other input options, because I think I tap with a 95% "succes rate".
Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related
wow...that's really interesting!
I'm new to the diamond so I dont know too much about it yet, but that looks quite exciting!
adempozhari said:
Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related
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sry but thats not "multitouch" as people know it.
People reffer to multitouch when you the touchdisplay can handle more then a single input.
Hornet331 said:
sry but thats not "multitouch" as people know it.
People reffer to multitouch when you the touchdisplay can handle more then a single input.
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Let's say the touch screen (display?) is not multitouch, but the touch pad is.
The question of the topic has not been answered yet then:
why there is no ROM/Software using this multitouch function?
It would be great for control, for instance in games, to be able to use this multitouch function and other functionality of what seems to be one of the more advanced touch pad in mobile phone industry.
It looks like HTC was just trying out the hardware and drivers for this function and saves its use for future phone releases...
It's not true that no software uses the touch panel - any software using smart scrolling or zooming is using this fuction, also HTC camera uses it for autofocus. Some members here have also attempted to use it for locking/unlocking applications, among other things.
The problem is that none of the other 'big' developers are writing just for the Diamond.
adempozhari said:
Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related
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TouchLockPro uses the capacitive hardware area for unlocking.
Yes but no one is using the "multi" touch properties of the touchpad.
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Yes but no one is using the "multi" touch properties of the touchpad.
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True, but can you think of any uses?
Also, to be pedantic, this is not multi-touch - it's simultaneous use of separate controls, something that WM 6.1 has always been able to handle.
(posted from my HTC Touch Diamond)
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It's not true that no software uses the touch panel - any software using smart scrolling or zooming is using this fuction, also HTC camera uses it for autofocus. Some members here have also attempted to use it for locking/unlocking applications, among other things.
The problem is that none of the other 'big' developers are writing just for the Diamond.
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You must have missed the point of this thread and the point I was stressing in my post: Multitouch.
The program you're talking about, uses the capacity of touch panel for REPETITIVE touches at the same point, but not the MULTI-TOUCH capacity at the same time.
Same thing for smart scrolling, it does use the directional capacity of the touch panel, but not the simultaneous touch of different areas of the panel.
Davey101 said:
True, but can you think of any uses?
Also, to be pedantic, this is not multi-touch - it's simultaneous use of separate controls, something that WM 6.1 has always been able to handle.
(posted from my HTC Touch Diamond)
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It's true that this is not pure multitouch, but at least it is simultaneous use different areas of the same control panel.
The question is not whether or not Windows Mobile has the capacity to use it. It is which program (except that specific HTC Debug Tool of course) available for Windows Mobile is actually using it... I can think of none.
If you're asking for ideas, there are loads of applications using it on the Iphone (games, browsers etc.). I don't see why it can be used on the Iphone and not on the Touch Diamond and Pro.
Except what I was pointing out in my post: lack of real will and policy to do it.
Apple has clearly focused its marketing policy on this multitouch capacity while HTC has not...
As I said, they just tested the hardware and drivers and saving the actual development for future devices...
But it is a fact that those capacities are under exploited. At least, they could have specially designed one or more games just for making use of this feature like they did for Teeter and the accelerometer.
here's an idea for the touch panel we all know our diamond has four buttons the two phone buttons a back and home button but with the multi-touch or whatever you want to call it you could have the ability to add four more buttons and then remap all of them for instance touching the phone button would bring up the phone and pressing it would launch a program. Maybe we can find some one to make that.
There is no multi touch because windows mobile 6.1 doesn't support it. When windows 7 comes out, it will support multi touch and we'll see the touch pro take advantage of that.
Hardware touch pad
The hardware pad reacts like an I-pod. If you open a photo, you can zoom in-and out with both fingers like an I-pod (zooming in by moving your fingers to each other, zooming out by moving the opposite way). It is a bit unsensitive but it works !
ok if there are apps out there that use this, does anyone know wher the API is?? Thanks!
may be HTC is waiting for WM7.0
I think touch pad can not be used often
yes but someone mentioned apps that use these features in another thread, also, the NavDbgTool uses it, so there definately is some undocumented functions!!
*prays that someone hacks it!*
giddy said:
yes but someone mentioned apps that use these features in another thread, also, the NavDbgTool uses it, so there definately is some undocumented functions!!
*prays that someone hacks it!*
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yes , i started this thread to find out if someone can hack them...for example to answer a call just by touching the pad....
I think due Apple has patent on the multi-touch , so MS can't do it , about the patent u can see example:
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/10/09.2.shtml
psvillars said:
here's an idea for the touch panel we all know our diamond has four buttons the two phone buttons a back and home button but with the multi-touch or whatever you want to call it you could have the ability to add four more buttons and then remap all of them for instance touching the phone button would bring up the phone and pressing it would launch a program. Maybe we can find some one to make that.
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This sounds very much like GScroll:
http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx
vondee7 said:
The hardware pad reacts like an I-pod. If you open a photo, you can zoom in-and out with both fingers like an I-pod (zooming in by moving your fingers to each other, zooming out by moving the opposite way). It is a bit unsensitive but it works !
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Just to add comment on this... being able to use two fingers to zoom in and out does not mean it's multi-touch... it's actually calculating an average of your 2 touches, which is why you're finding that it's less sensitive. If you just use one finger and rotate it around the pad then it zooms in and out with a good level of sensitivity.
Hey Guys
Found smth like that http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/incredible-mods/3003-multi-touch-keyboard-incredible-droid-x.html
What do you think.. can anyone get this working on Hero??
Thanks
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Someone PLEASE get this to work =)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=350476&d=1277590507
adb remount
adb push q-ime.apk /system/app/LatinIME.apk
Thank you heyodee
It should work It works for me and i'm on VanillaEclair 4.0.
OmarRamirez said:
Someone PLEASE get this to work =)
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the hero doesn't have a multi-touch screen so its never going to work properly.
And before you say "yes it does" google it.
The hero has a screen capable of recognising certain gestures with multi-touch but not 2 separate commands at once (true multi touch).
I.e. we can pinch zoom and thats about it.
Lennyuk said:
the hero doesn't have a multi-touch screen so its never going to work properly.
And before you say "yes it does" google it.
The hero has a screen capable of recognising certain gestures with multi-touch but not 2 separate commands at once (true multi touch).
I.e. we can pinch zoom and thats about it.
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I didn't know that, but just tried the keyboard and you're right, it definitly doesn't work properly... Back to HTC_IME.
Btw little question, do you guys know if it's possible to have a qwerty HTC keyboard with french prediction ? When I select QWERTY keyboard and french as keyboard language it switches to azerty keyboard with french prediction :/
Lennyuk said:
the hero doesn't have a multi-touch screen so its never going to work properly.
And before you say "yes it does" google it.
The hero has a screen capable of recognising certain gestures with multi-touch but not 2 separate commands at once (true multi touch).
I.e. we can pinch zoom and thats about it.
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This is not true anymore on 2.1!!!
I can now play Super Mario World in SNESoid and touch two onscreen buttons at the same time like keep running to the right and pressing the jump button.
Also, now all the multitouch apps from the market work.
Hi,
I just bought myself a HTC touch diamond (2nd hand) but I can't find a way to put the keybord from QWERTY to AZERTY.
After reading some forums, some people told me on this forum they could help me.
The running device is Windows Mobile, but I dont know which version, don't know where I can find the information about it neither.
Thx