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So im currently running JACHero 2.7.3 and its amazing! I love all the widgets, but i really cant afford for my phone to be locking up on calls and still having some Force close issues. ive tried reinstalling it near 4 times already. I have a class 6 card, tried 32 mb swap and 64 mb swap, and have an 8 gig card. If it just hung going from email or text id be ok but i cant really be missing calls.
so my question is, whats the difference between JACHero and Cyanogen. From what i understand Cyan doesnt run rosie (which i dont really have a clear understand what that is). But i was looking in the homescreen page and it looks like Cyans' rom can still use the widgets and most people say it runs much faster.
Can anyone confirm, and update me on the situation. thanks in advance!
Um you have a lot of reading to do my friend. JACHero ROM is based on the Hero phone made by HTC. It has nearly 100mb more RAM (memory) than the g1 so of course it will run slower. Hero ROMS are almost 20mb more in size than cupcake ROMS. Cyanogen's ROMS are heavily optimized cupcake ROMS that are built for speed. It's not possible to port over the widgets without porting over Rosie/Sense UI. Sense/Rosie requires alot of the HTC frameworks and unless someone can recode them and use Google's frameworks porting them is impossible. If you want a quick speedy ROM with lots of cool features go with Cyanogen. He includes the HTC Camera, exchange mail, and I *think* HTC Music. You can also flash lots of cool themes like Kspec Customs by brandenk and some other goodies too. Most theme devs are making cyanogen-compatible themes because most of the community has flocked to cyanogen's speedy speedy ROMS. If you want a rather bloated but "prettier" ROM go with Hero. The lag you are seeing is probably from having too many widgets running on the home screen. Hope that long description helped I suggest reading the OP of both JACHero and Cyanogen's ROMS. You'll learn alot more there.
Cyanogen is probably the fastest rom to date. Rosie is basically the user interface that you see. The menu tab at the bottom, all the widgets, basically the architecture of the system. Meh I won't go into details since i'm not a person who makes ROMs. But after using JACHero and Cyanogen, I'd stick with cyanogen based on speed, reliability, battery life, and being able to use different themes other than hero.
If I were you, make a nandroid back-up of your current stable ROM and just flash to a cyanogen rom and see how it works for you. Try it out for a day or 2. If you're like me, you really don't need to charge the g1 for a couple days.
Google ION and Cyanogen are the two best ROMS out on XDA for the G1.
I said I was working on something new. Well, here it is!
First of all, you MUST be running Ivan's 0.7 or 0.5.4. This may work on other roms, but I have NOT tested it.
In short, this removes rosie. To be safe, make a nandroid before you install it. All Widgets/Sense Homescreen/all extra sense related apps are removed. A Full list is at the link below. It returns the phone to close to stock android. I'll be updating soon with a few more features.
More info at here.
Thanks!
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figured out what it does.
thanks!
trying it now. Can't wait for it. Thanks for all your hard work!!
noob question! r u ready? whats senseless? is sence the main os thing kinds? on my task manager htc sence is like the main os, do u replace it with like aHome ir somthing like that?
sense is the overlay that HTC made for the phone. with the nice shiny user interface. senseless removes all of that and uses the stock android look, which many people find nicer. senseless also deletes any HTC sense releated apps that wont be used so the phone runs smoother.
thanks i really appreciate that help. im new to the android scene. its a little small due to all the different phones runnind different tweaks but i love the community so far. not like the psp or iphone one but i deffenitly like it, everyones friendly
Really looking forward to trying this out when I get home. First I have to install Ivan's, but this is exactly what I have been looking for.
You said it basically removes rosie, is that all? I could do that with root explorer, couldn't I?
thank you for this. applied this to my fav ROM instead of searching through root explorer for each sense apk. this made my fav rom a lil faster. thanks again for ur hard work
Works on Ivan's 0.81T2.
Now if can hack the incoming call screen it will be perfect.....
There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?
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There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?
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What you do is flash one and see if you like it. If not, it is quite simple to flash another.
Try the Titanium 2 Jun NRG ROM and see what you think. It has no Sense version at all, which increases the storage memory size.
http://www.fileserve.com/list/X9nQc65
EDIT: I am assuming that you have read the "Flashing for NOOB" and the "Hard SPL" threads, you need both to be able to flash a custom ROM.
I have pretty much tried all of the ROMs but I reallly like only 2 ROMs. The best one for me is Cell Evo V7 (23541) (the link to thread. I have just flashed Josh's ROM. n i havent had any problem yet. I use the Sense 2.1. (its in my sig) I think 2.5 is still very buggy. so that maybe somethin u may wanna try out. I think the evo one is the most stable! but this is all just my own opinion. u may or may not like them!
Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.
kfreels said:
Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.
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Manilla = Sense. "Sense" is the name that HTC uses for their UI. There are two major versions, 2.1 and 2.5 (newest). There is also an older UI called TF3D (TouchFlo 3D).
Matching radios refers to flashing your radio with different firmware. The device has ROM versions, which is what everyone is referring to, and the Radio has a different version. Some people prefer a certain radio, some ROMs recommend a certain radio. I'm using NRG, and have never updated my radio version.
Keyboards. Most ROMS will not automatically map your keyboard (AT&T and T-Mobile have different mappings - the exception is a ROM built for a specific carrier). The reason is simple - the Chef doesn't know what carrier you are using! On the NRG ROMs, there is a tool included to "provision" your device for your carrier; this fixes the keyboard. Or you can do a search and find the right keyboard .cab file for your device.
- Light, medium, and full. I personally don't use these terms, but my definition would be as follows. Light is a ROM that has very little added functionality other than what Microsoft provided with the operating system. Full is a ROM (like NRG) that has lots of custom stuff baked into the ROM - extra utilities and etc., which are useful to you (in the Chef's opinion). A medium would be somewhere in between.
I would include the stock ROM as a "Full" ROM, except that in their case a lot of their software is "bloatware", which means stuff they added because they could, or they had some kind of deal with a particular company, etc. It is called "bloatware" because it seems to serve only the purpose of making the ROM harder to use and cluttering up the menu system with lots of useless stuff - bloated.
Are you a happier camper?
two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier
jdm_labrat said:
two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier
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Umm, speaking personally, I'm not sure I want a "sexy" TP2!
Ah. That explains a lot. Thanks for the info. Maybe one day when I'm no longer a dummy I'll write a dummies guide. Until then, thanks for the tips.
Hi,
I had the same problem as you, I just wanted a stock rom without all the extra stuff that htc provides, I wanted to be simple, fast and stable, after flashing a lot of ROM I decided to take the problem in my own hands so I started learning how to cook my own ROM, you have a very good guide about how to do that here.
After reading and understanding this guide you can create your own ROMs just the way you like it.
Maybe just like me you will not succeed for the first time, but in the end you will have a ROM cooked by you and will suite all your needs.
Good luck!
I've got a few questions, and there's so much stuff on this forum, that i can't seem to find what i'm looking for.
I own a dutch TP2 without a simlock, just to make clear.
I'm looking for a very simple, fast and stable rom.
I only use the phone for calling, sms, i-net with opera or skyfire, and sometimes i watch a youtube movie. So i don't need everything else. Only thing i have on my phone now is the simple start menu and S2U2. I don't even use Sense.
Is there such a rom out there, that works on my phone?
And is there a "n00b guide" for how to flash it?
Tnx in advance
I'd say try mine LBFAR based on COM2 (21899), it is probably the fastest ROM featuring Manila. Don't worry, it is 100 times faster than Sense, while it keeps nice and cool UI .
You can try mine also COM5 (23569), but it isn't bugless and I'm afraid I will never fix some issues, because they are unfixable.
yes, there is a guide for how to flash it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
be sure to read the whole guide before you flash it. Flashing the ROM is not too hard although can be a bit intimidating for the first time but after you have done it, it's not too bad.
For your need, I would suggest go with the titanium based roms, these roms took out all of the extras and just have the essentials in it. A lot of people like the long time establishment, such as Energy ROM. I personally have been using energy's rom and happy with it as to which oen is the best or most stable that's a bit hard to say because each ROM can be slightly different. You can also opt for a few other ROM that simply stripe all of the extras and use them.
I second that, Ondrster's ROM is incredibly fast and stable. I'm not using it ATM, but I would recommend it to anyone. If you want a lot of features and want to avoid HTC's UI all together, try NRG's titanium ROM, full of features, and very stable and fast. You might also want to look at using a different UI, such as SPB Mobile Shell; which is customizable and widget based, allowing you to keep your homescreen layout quite simple (it's also great on battery life).
Information overload... I agree. I am Dutch and have a HTC Pro2 too, just like you. Sometimes I come here on the forums, because I'd like to see what ROMS are there. This time my eye fell on this one:
"[ROM] [WWE] [ August 21 ] [ simplicity - 21915 | 23130 | Sense 2018 ]"
Wow! Looks fast, and not too different from the original WM 6.5 software. I decided to give it a go... So I start to read, and sure enough, I'm confused again before you know it and decided not to bother with it. First reason was this:
"IMPORTANT: Make sure you have used Hard-SPL before flashing any ROM. I also recommend you to use Task 29 each time before flashing any ROM."
Hard-what? Why do I need that? So ok, I click on the link, go to another thread, see tons of info with bigletters and red warnings etc. but NO INFO ON WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES! Confuuuusingggggg... And Task29? What the heck is THAT?! Must I really read 100+ pages per thread?
See, you guys might understand a lot of this stuff, but not all of us do. My wish is that it would be made easy and understandable so I don't just keep coming and going but nothing changes on this microsoft dominated *** slow phone that contains a lot of sh* i don't even need....
Bleh. I'll keep trying until I get it.
In few words: HardSPL disables checking when flashing, if the ROM is from HTC or any other people (in default, it is enabled only for HTC of course).
Task29 is overrated IMHO, I never did it and I never had any issues . If you don't have strange and weird issues that happen only for you, you can forget about task29.
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In few words: HardSPL disables checking when flashing, if the ROM is from HTC or any other people (in default, it is enabled only for HTC of course).
Task29 is overrated IMHO, I never did it and I never had any issues . If you don't have strange and weird issues that happen only for you, you can forget about task29.
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OK thank you for the answer. I have browsed much and have read that Task29 removes stale files that have not been removed after ROM upgrades. Perhaps I'll give it a go later on. Right now I am waiting for a HardSPL key, because I understand that I need one. After that I'm going to flash my first ROM! So exciting...!!
I have used my calendar a lot and I sync it with ActiveSync daily. I won't lose the calendar, will I? I think that I can just sync it back after ROM flashing.. but if I am overlooking something, please let me know
OldSkool-II >> How are you doing with your flashing quest?
If it's synced, you should be fine.
If you want a fast and completely stable ROM then stay with Windows Mobile 6.1, don't care if someone has a "fast" version of any WM6.5 out there.
It's like saying Windows Vista is faster, and more stable, than Windows XP. Regardless of all the tweaking you do XP will always be faster.
But give both versions a try if since you're new to flashing and if one bothers you then just keep flashing , I've had this ROM on my phone for moths and it doesn't even cross my mind to even want to try a new ROM or look for anything else. It's as perfect as it can get in fact lol.
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If you want a fast and completely stable ROM then stay with Windows Mobile 6.1, don't care if someone has a "fast" version of any WM6.5 out there.
It's like saying Windows Vista is faster, and more stable, than Windows XP. Regardless of all the tweaking you do XP will always be faster.
But give both versions a try if since you're new to flashing and if one bothers you then just keep flashing , I've had this ROM on my phone for moths and it doesn't even cross my mind to even want to try a new ROM or look for anything else. It's as perfect as it can get in fact lol.
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Umm, not with Sense its not.
There is a reason why they created 6.5. If you add Sense to 6.1, you are going to recmod a LOT of things and its just gonna make your phone so darn slow you will want to set it on fire.
Still a bit iffy about flashing it, although i did it beforen with a really old WM phone.
Just want to find a ROM that does what i want it to do.
On another note, my coworker has an Iphone, and when he's watching a movie with youtube, it doens't have to buffer every 25 sec...
Same provider tho, but that's prolly the difference between windows and android?
Maybe not the right place to ask, but is there a stable android for the TP2?
Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
Frankie3521 said:
Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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NRG needs to be customized to work faster. I find it very fast. But I don't use all of the tabs, and I overclock my CPU to 710.
Did you install the newest version, listed in my signature?
Also if You interest on trying stock like and self customizable ROM, try kwbr ROM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811121
fast, stable and good battery life..
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NRG needs to be customized to work faster. I find it very fast. But I don't use all of the tabs, and I overclock my CPU to 710.
Did you install the newest version, listed in my signature?
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How do I customize it to make it faster? Where is this overclocking app at, and how do I remove some of the tabs?
About tabs, you can disable some, just swipe to settings tab on HTC Sense, choose "personalize" then "Home screen tabs", uncheck tabs you want to remove.
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Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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I just flashed my custom ROM to the NRG ROM of 14th October and I don't have any issues with slowness...
My phone is faster than every before.
Did you flashed the latest version of NRG rom?
I'm suprised you're having issues with NRG's ROM, I find it very fast.
If you want to try overclocking, check out the utilities in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
If you want a fast rom, use a valkyre or jackoss
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How do I customize it to make it faster? Where is this overclocking app at, and how do I remove some of the tabs?
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Where to start? The following is a subset of my phone settings. I've been tweaking them for months, and I would be hard pressed to provide a full list.
The OC app is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
As to customizing, the setting tab will allow you to remove the tabs you don't use. I found that I actually only use 4 of them. The rest just take up memory.
I also use BsB Tweaks (in the Tools folder) to set a high glyph and IP cache.
The other thing to do is to go into the Settings and change the start menu to be the Sense version. This will give you and extra 30 Mb or so of memory, and this will make the device faster. Do this step last, because it will be difficult to get to the NRG Tools menu unless you revert back to the default WM start menus.
EDIT: But you should be aware that NRG is not customized for speed. There are faster ROMs available. But NRG has lots of nice stuff, and the latest operating systems and programs.
Frankie3521 said:
Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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jackos rom without a doubt. --->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=632617
Keep in mind that it usually takes some time for a newly flashed ROM to "settle in". The performance you see right away is not indicitive of how the ROM will perform long term. Maybe files are still being setup? Not really sure why this is so. But don't freak out until you've used the ROM for a couple hours. Plus the battery meter will not be accurate. It needs to be calibrated by charging the phone to 100%, then down to 30%, and repeat a couple times.
If you've been using the ROM for a while, and done a few of the tweaks to streamline performance as other have suggested, its possible it was a bad flash. Task29 and start over.
But its also possible that a more lightweight ROM is for you. Energy is a nice balance of performance, aesthetics, and features. But some like to sacrifice some eye candy for a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos that someone else suggested.
I've used the EnergyROMs on my TP2, as well as Simplicity and Jackos, all are great roms. EnergyROMs have many cooked in useful apps and awesome features, Simplicity is lighter and well.. simpler than Energy and Jackos has amazing memory management and the best ROM if you're going for WM6.5.0.
I am a sucker for speed, and the fastest you can go is stock WM6.5 with no HTC Sense. I'm currently using Jackos SleekBasic with TouchFlo3D, just flashed yesterday, IMO its faster than all ROMs I tried except stock WM, its not really pretty and not many features, but I can live with it. Good batt life too...
OndraSter's WM 6.5 TF3D ROM is the fastest ROM I have ever used. Check it out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642956&highlight=OndraSter
Jacko's is by far the cleanist Ive seen its actually functional and has 110mb free after 2nd reboot... Great rom's.. Not a nrg fan anymore either.. especially cause he doesnt bother to actually test them on the devices he makes them for.
I used a lot of ROMs from this forum, and I can confirm that the Jackos is the fastest and stablest that I tried (I'm actually using the smartmove flavour).
Ondraster's also is quite fast and stable, but I find that jackos looks better