The last OEMDrivers folder is almost a year old.
Is there a place to find new drivers for our phone?
Would it be possible to use OEMDrivers from other phones, such as
HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC Touch Diamond 2 that have almost the same hardware?
At least could we replace the files that have the same name from these phones?
Diagrafeas said:
The last OEMDrivers folder is almost a year old.
Is there a place to find new drivers for our phone?
Would it be possible to use OEMDrivers from other phones, such as
HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC Touch Diamond 2 that have almost the same hardware?
At least could we replace the files that have the same name from these phones?
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no on both questions. the keyword is "almost" the same hardware, not the same. if it was possible - do you really think every cook would still be using the r3-firmware in roms?
at the end of this month it will be exactly one month that SE shelved the X1, that's why the oem-folder (oem = sony) is that old.
there are some "tuned" graphics-drivers available (search for user "neo" and his thread), but as far as i can see most of the custom-roms already come with them. while they're doing good, they're not complete drivers (opengl es 1.1 is still broken on our phone). that's because drivers are closed source and only made available to oems by qualcomm (check the android-threads and you'll see the problems the guys are fighting with). reverse-engineering drivers is almost impossible, you'd need the exact specs of the used hardware. (some parts aren't even identified, let alone their specs)
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My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?
Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.
"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.
Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.
i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !
M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.
My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.
Have I understod correctly that if I buy a Diamond now (or rather Pro when available), I can possibly instal either WM 7 or Android on it? I understand that we do not know what the HW requirements for either are, and that it might prevent this. If this is possible, then where could I get the ROM's? I mean, does HTC or MS provide WM 7 updates? Or are they hacked? Android, being open, is probably available (same HW requirements) at some point, right?
Nobody can tell you if WM7 or Android will work fine on the Touch Diamond.
It is not unlikely that WM7 will work fine. Regarding Android, wait and see... since it is some sort of semi-open project, you might find a very well adapted version of it at some point if some people take care of it. You will definitely not see Android from HTC for the Diamond.
Regarding the WM7 update availability:
WM7 will not be released before next year. It is not unlikely that by this time HTC will have released or announced another PPC (with WM7 running). This makes it less likely that HTC will provide a WM7 update for the Touch Diamond or Pro.
However, developers here might put a WM7 rom together once they get hold of it. Another scenario might be that the Touch Diamond / Touch Pro are so extraordinarily successful that HTC might provide an official upgrade (but charging for the new OS).
Not a lot of the evidence doesn't seem dissonant to negating the lie that it is not not unlikely.
99% chance that WM7 will work on diamond.
It works on lower specs, a Touch dual, 400MHz with 128MB Ram, while the diamond has 528MHz with 192 Ram.
view @ 33sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
http://www.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2008/04/Picture 3-14.jpg
There's a 99% chance that video is complete a fabrication too: ad systems are rarely the "real" system... For all I can tell that can just be a full screen jpg.
Yes HTCDiamond22, but it's still gotta have support for the hardware :}
Hopefully Android will work, we'll just have to wait and see
well in the vid it seems to be working fully, not just a picture. i think that ms also said somewhere that although the requirements will be higher, it will work on some older hardware
waiting on Android-news... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
Hey all has anyone been secretly working on the wp7 rom for the X1? if so lets start a thread for it
i don't think its been leaked yet, has it?
Well I dont know if anybody is working but I trying to make this theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633755
I love to have WP7 on SEX1 (if it is possible)
I guess hardware requirements wont let you to function smoothly but chefs here can save us with a barebone edition of WP7
Cheers
i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
sadly we wont be getting windows phone 7
but there are rumors that microsoft is making a sucessor to the 6.5.X line. I really do hope so! CE is soooooo old! and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
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Like if the X2 will ever get wm7, stop dreaming
So X2 drivers are useless for wm7 because the drivers are ment for wm6.5
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and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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This doesn't make any sense.
I dont understand this CE thing...can't we update it..AFAIK, its a software version rite???so can't we have it updated on X1???
Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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meaning the new 6.X should not be based on CE
ryousuke said:
Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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I happened to see some windows 7 add on youtube which has a pyramid hovering over all users... and i think the guy is using windows 7 phone operating series (or whatever they call it) ..... the good thing about it is that the guy is using an xperia X1. Now i know that there is a good chance the screens were added post recording and are all fake... but lets all just keep our hopes high and fingers crossed
i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
cant we update the CE..
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cant we update the CE..
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If you mean update the CE to CE7 then No, as stated above it is pointless to even be discussing this right now since we don't even have the proper hardware/drivers to even run WP7 properly and the beta isn't even out yet, your just going to have to wait for 6.6.
If you guys want WP7 so badly try upgrading to new hardware.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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Yeah, but like if they build an htc with such low-end hardware like the xperia for such a high-end os like windows phone 7, no way thats gonna happen. No way they are gonna beat iPhone then.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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We are not using drivers from other phones. Atleast not the whole OEM shizzle. Drivers(except some video drivers etc) are device specific and can't be used on other devices
min specs for WP7 is quite high... i read snapdragon +1Ghz CPU would be required...
credit to msoft for raising the bar (ensuring user experience will be similar all round)
sadly this means that our qualcomm 528mhz processor + ati graphics might not cut it...
While this does make wp7 look nice with the high specs, it would also make the phones more expensive. Though, snapdragon should be cheaper by then.
WP7-lite for us 528mhz people!
Hey all!
Sorry for bringing this up again, but i just cannot accept it. There are a lot of devices using qualcomm's msm7xxx chipsets, take a look here:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a7200
Seriously, are drivers missing in all of them, or is it so hard to port it to kaiser?
htcclassaction.com has no news since releasing the htc-ca open gl se drivers in 2008, but still the device even with them suffers from severe performance issues. Still no 2d drivers, and still no direct 3d drivers. What is going on? As if in 3 years it has not been possible to fix the damn drivers??? Are there no good developers that have the phone that would be able to fix this? if htc can do it in a couple of months, couldn't atleast a group of developers do it in 3 years?
And the device is still in production, so there will probably be more people that buy this phone 'couse of it's amazing power and keyboard, and to be honest, get a piece of s***...
Moved as not ROM Development.
If you search there are threads that will state why we never got full driver support, your question is it hard? Course it is...
Look @ how much work went into class action.
Kaiser isn't still in production if they are available there old stock
Also how many bits of software really require the drivers many of us are satisfied even without them, especially since the advancement in nk.exe where we can get a more used resource RAM
Put the dog to rest!
Old stock? I am not sure of that.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/tytnii/overview.html
And after all, if it wouldn't be in production, i think that the entire tytn 2 sub(sub)forum would be in legacy device's subforum
EDIT: and can you post any links to why we will never get the drivers please? my searching skills are low, i cant find anything
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Old stock? I am not sure of that.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/tytnii/overview.html
And after all, if it wouldn't be in production, i think that the entire tytn 2 sub(sub)forum would be in legacy device's subforum
EDIT: and can you post any links to why we will never get the drivers please? my searching skills are low, i cant find anything
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The phone is not in production same as Touch Pro/Touch Cruise and more, there were lesser number user devices placed in the legacy section as it goes on if a forum is still used..
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_tytn_ii-2024.php
see the status...
This phone is old, who cares. The drivers were never made because it wasn't worth anyones time, people moved on to better things so the money wasn't there. Just leave it alone.
Hey.
I noticed, that the Omnia 7's and the SGS's specs are just the same, and I wonder if it could be possible to port WP7 to SGS. What do you think? I'm not a programmer, so I can't do anything for it, just aksing.
Android = Open source, developper friendy os
Widnows = Closed source, licensed used.
altouch might be doable, since phone with WM6 got 6.5 (HTC Vogue or the likes), I assume if all the drivers are available it would be.
BTW: Question already asked and answered many time, you can always use the "search" fonction
A custom bootloader to start up WP7 would need to be created. You can start Android on Windows Mobile hardware because of Haret.
It also looks like Microsoft standardized the 1GHz Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chips for all WP7 hardware at the moment (yes, even Samsung's devices, you'd think they'd want to use their own Hummingbird) in order to reduce fragmentation. The S5PC110 in our Galaxy S's uses completely different hardware drivers and compiling them to be compatible with WP7 would probably be quite an effort or impossible.
If at at all possible development would begin on QSD8250 handsets like the HTC Nexus One or Desire. Maybe we'll see more developments as WP7 begins trickling out but I have my doubts.